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Recently archived

Please check the archives for anything older. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Your help needed

Hi Moreschi, Some of the usual suspects on India-related pages, in particular:

• Nikkul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Bharatveer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

have apparently now been joined by

• Beamathan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Desione (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

in attempting to move Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (a page name in keeping with those on Britannica, Encarta, Columbia, Webster's encyclopedias, as well as the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography) to Mahatma Gandhi (where "Mahatma" an honorific (and qualifier) is explicitly discouraged in the lead of WP:NAMEPEOPLE. user:Nikkul is now attempting to conduct a straw-poll and user:Beamathan is talking about moving the page-name regardless. Can the page be protected? Or at least protected against moves? Sorry for dumping this on you, but I am beginning to get a big headache with their antics. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Appreciation of administration administered

Moreschi, I just wanted to express my appreciation for the fact that you have decided to take action as an admin on what seems rather clear evidence of disruption. There is on need to bog down arbitration with these things. Best.PelleSmith (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Appreciation appreciated :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Seen this?

. I think you might have more experience with the nuts and bolts of setting up these things (WP:FTN). --Folantin (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest "National, ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard" as the title. See this first . --Folantin (talk) 17:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I don't have time to set it up today anyway, but that's now at the top of things-to-do. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Are these comments about living authors acceptable?

Please take a look at , a debate about the authors of a quote I've used in the Cahokia article. The debate I am not so bothered about, the comments on the authors (which I've just summarised at the bottom) I don't know what to do about (if anything should be done of course). If I found it on a talk page I wasn't involved in I might delete it myself, but I can't do that here even if it should be done. Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 18:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know..

That after your indefinite block of User:Dzonatas he was sending emails via the MediaWiki interface with further attacks on editors, so I reapplied the block, this time with email ability disabled. SirFozzie (talk) 02:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Tabal

• Hi, I've decided to check some sources on Tabal and have withdrawn my question to you on it. I still think they spoke an Indo-Europeans language though. Cheers, Artene50 (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Great :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hellenic Sock drawer

Hi, Moreschi. I am a long time admirer of your anti-Plague efforts. A "new" user named User:Dvaaeg has been revert warring at Florina. He appears to be part of the User:Aegeanhawk and User:Aee1980 franchise. Would you mind taking a look? I have filed a report at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Dvaaeg_reported_by_User:Aramgar_.28Result:_.29. Thanks, Aramgar (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

He's been blocked for 24h by ChrisO: I've filed a checkuser request. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Moreschi - I think that IP:77.83.189.85 should be added to the RfCU. I wasn't sure if I should do this myself, so I'm notifying you. This IP is removing the Slavic name from the lead of Florina and changing Macedonia to FYROM in various other articles. Thanks, Kafka Liz (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi, thanks for all your good work. Please let me know if I can be of assistance. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks from me, too. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 23:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Mactruth: A Drama

My valiant liege, I come with dismal tidings:
Mighty Mactruth, the thane of Skopje, hath,
Of Macedonian strife grossly enraged,
Forsaken all pretence of peace and reason,
And bloody battle sworn upon the 'pedia.
Now redirects he madly strews about:
Some call it pointy; others, vandal's madness,
some say it's valiant fury: but, for certain,
He cannot buckle his distemper'd course
Within the belt of rule. I only halted
For one short day his rage. Who will perform
What needful course in measure, time and place
Can keep disruption off our peaceful folds?

Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha. What a wonderful thing to find on your talkpage in the morning :)

Anyway, levity over. He's topic-banned for 2 months. When will they learn, you wonder? Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You know, pretty soon it'll just be FP allowed to edit the topic.... :) BalkanFever 12:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course, that is my ill-concealèd purpose
In doing what I do. And once my triumph
I see completed, and my labours crowned
With full success, and world dominion mine,
I will proceed towards rewriting promptly
Whatever articles this website holds
That deal with your fair Macedonian lands
In purest blank verse. Nothing then will keep
Me back from furthering my chosen task:
Shakespearean pentameter shall reign
Supreme, where Alexander lived, and where Philip was slain.

--Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't really argue with that now, can I? BalkanFever 13:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's leave it to the real Shakespeare to decide on Macedonian matters. This from Henry V:

FLUELLEN Ay, was porn at Monmouth, Captain Gower. What call you the town's name where Alexander the Pig was born!

GOWER Alexander the Great.

FLUELLEN Why, I pray you, is not pig great? the pig, or the great, or the mighty, or the huge, or the magnanimous, are all one reckonings, save the phrase is a little variations.

GOWER I think Alexander the Great was born in Macedon; his father was called Philip of Macedon, as I take it.

FLUELLEN I think it is in Macedon where Alexander is porn. I tell you, captain, if you look in the maps of the 'orld, I warrant you sall find, in the comparisons between Macedon and Monmouth, that the situations, look you, is both alike. There is a river in Macedon; and there is also moreover a river at Monmouth: it is called Wye at Monmouth; but it is out of my prains what is the name of the other river; but 'tis all one, 'tis alike as my fingers is to my fingers, and there is salmons in both. If you mark Alexander's life well, Harry of Monmouth's life is come after it indifferent well; for there is figures in all things. Alexander, God knows, and you know, in his rages, and his furies, and his wraths, and his cholers, and his moods, and his displeasures, and his indignations, and also being a little intoxicates in his prains, did, in his ales and his angers, look you, kill his best friend, Cleitus.

GOWER Our king is not like him in that: he never killed any of his friends.

FLUELLEN It is not well done, mark you now take the tales out of my mouth, ere it is made and finished. I speak but in the figures and comparisons of it: as Alexander killed his friend Cleitus, being in his ales and his cups; so also Harry Monmouth, being in his right wits and his good judgments, turned away the fat knight with the great belly-doublet: he was full of jests, and gipes, and knaveries, and mocks; I have forgot his name.

GOWER Sir John Falstaff.

FLUELLEN That is he: I'll tell you there is good men porn at Monmouth.

--Folantin (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Protection

Dear Moreschi, this article Colchis needs protection again, the vandal is back (he was banned before but now uses new account), he removes content and leaves attacks on our talk pages. Thanks in advance. Iberieli (talk) 18:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Dealt with via blocks. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Moreschi. The blocked User:Kolkhianboy has reincarnated as User:Anti-Kartvel, choosing his new username due to his habitual prejudice toward the term "Kartvelian", which is, among other things, a clear violation of WP:IU. I would very much appreciate if you could help with this troublesome guy. Best regards, --Kober 15:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite right: CU confirmed. Blocked as well. Let me know if anything else comes up :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 16:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for good job, Moreschi. :) --Kober 06:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Not allowed to notify editors of arbitration sanctions?

Moreschi, I think you should take a look at this discussion - you opined a few days ago that any admin can log a notification, but the converse is being argued here. I've left a request for clarification on the thread. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Dealt with. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

AE thread

On your current AE thread, could you put some diffs and specific threads, ie, a bit of detail? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do shortly. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 11:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Dvaeeg checkuser results

Hello Moreschi. CU did not confirm Aee1980 as a Mywayyy sock, as yet. How about retagging Aee1980 as the puppetmaster and making Dvaeeg be his sock? The sockpuppet categories for Mywayyy seem to be based on old data (2007 and earlier) anyway so maybe start a new puppet category for Aee1980? EdJohnston (talk) 01:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Shrug. I'd be very surprised if Mywayyy is not behind this all, based on my experiences with this current lot and AerospaceM (talk · contribs). Admittedly, there's not the CU data to back this up, but IMO it is highly probable based on contribution comparison. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 09:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Mactruth

I have been blocked from all Macedonia related articles across WP for 2 months. I believe I should be unblocked. Before I get into the reasoning, I would like to state to look at all Macedonia related articles. You will see that I am one of the people who try to keep calm, talk things out and make edits based on sources. When I found the "History of modern Macedonia" article, I quickly realized the article was POV pushing since it only discussed History of Greek Macedonia. I discussed the issue with other WP members in the talk page of that article, who agreed with me that the title is monopolization of the term "Macedonia." I posted the issue several times to several ADMINISTRATORS, but the response from the ADMINS were absent. Instead of trying to fix the issue immediately, ADMINS ignored it without even sending a message to update me on the situation. After trying to get their attention about the issue multiple times, the issue was not dealt with. Because of that, I redirected a couple pages including "Modern Macedonia" to the Republic of Macedonia" since reasoning and discussion were being ignored. The interesting portion of this is "Modern Macedonia" redirect was IMMEDIATELY deleted as soon as a Greek pointed it out. So, I pointed my issue about a week ago and no response occurred, yet when a Greek pointed their issue it was IMMEDIATELY dealt with. Why is this the case? Unfair treatment led to my action. Mactruth (talk) 02:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. When I look at this, it seems as if the naming issue has been sorted out calmly and to what I presume is your satisfaction by others. The problem lies in your approach. You charged in like a high bull in a china shop with a bunch of completely illogical and pointy redirects. That's classic disruption, actually bordering on vandalism. You can hardly be surprised, nor can you justifiably complain, when you get punished for it. So, read the rules and come back to this topic in two months with a much calmer and more logical approach. Thank you. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 09:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't believe that naming issue has been resolved since a Greek member changed the name from the name given by Future, "History of Greek Macedonia" to "History of modern Macedonia (Greece)" which in my opinion still is monopolizing the term. I know my approach was unorthodox but believe me I did try using logic and reasoning but again the administrators were not resolving the issue, nor was I updated on the current situation or status. Again, the lack of reaction with my complaint compared to the quick reaction with the Greek complaint shows there is irregularity in how issues are dealt with. Again, the Administrators have to take quicker and more direct approaches to resolving complaints from BOTH members. Again, I believe my ban should at least be reduced to a lower amount. And administrators should react quicker, more direct and without BIAS next time. Mactruth (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi I was wondering if I could get a reply for my statements and an update of my ban. Again, I have learned my lesson, but from my POV in the future there needs to be NO BIAS in terms of reactions from ADMINs to complaints. Mactruth (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mactruth II

Here is what I wrote on Future's discussion section:

I wanted to state that my block is over but I have been banned from Macedonia related issues for 2 months. I wanted to state my POV, which was I felt that there was a bias in terms of reaction to complaints. I complained for a week about the article, which is still monopolizing under the article name history of modern Macedonia (Greece) even though you renamed it "History of Greek Macedonia." The reasoning for the monopolizing is that is still states "modern." If I made an article called "History of modern Macedonia (Republic)" it would be changed immediately, which is my main complaint. When a Greek made a complaint about me redirecting articles, you immediately reacted. I have gotten over it and have learned my lesson, but I must insist that no reaction bias should be considered in the future.

Here is what I posted in the article History of modern Macedonia (Greece):

The article name is still monopolizing the term "Macedonia." I must ask the Greeks, what would be your reaction if I created an article entitled "History of modern Macedonia (Republic)"? You would object to monopolization. I believe a good compromise would be:

1. History of Macedonia (Greece) - this is consistent since "Republic of Macedonia" has the article "History of the Republic of Macedonia" therefore the article "Macedonia (Greece)" should have the article "History of Macedonia (Greece)" to be consistent.
2. History of Greek Macedonia - The name implies it is the Greek region of Macedonia and it differentiated from the Republic of Macedonia without monopolization.

In terms of the article Macedonia (region) below to the "See also" section, "History of Greek Macedonia" is directed to History of modern Macedonia. Please direct the page to the appropriate article. Mactruth (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Trial by Jury

HEy, Moreschi! Just so you know, Trial by Jury is going through the last stages of cleanup before a featured article nomination. If you'd like to help, it would be appreciated. H.M.S. Pinafore has been chosen as the next project. Work has barely begun there. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you please delete this?

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Sceptre,_Sxeptomaniac,_SirFozzie,_B? Per concerns at ANI and in the RFC itself and on the initiator's talk page.

I'd asked another administrator (Nishkid64) but he said he's busy and to ask another admin .

Thanks. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to clear the mess up at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Intelligent_Design - perhaps you could? Better yet, deleting it might be preferrable. Morven (arbitrator) made a comment on the talk page in the first section which should also give a hint. The format of the RFC is not helping. I'm mindful that some people don't want to follow the guidelines to try to make it a central place, but this is not a workshop - it's an RFC on user conduct. I don't see how this can, will or has resolved anything either - instead it's a great big mess, and guidelines (at least in replies) are not being adhered to at all. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Al-Durrah

Awwww, c'mon Moreschi, please just give it a try? Maybe my method won't work, maybe it will, but it would mean a lot to me if you could back me up, even in the short term? I have huge respect for you, especially because you of all people know the complexities of the "plague" situation. I've had some excellent success at the Hungarian/Slovakian page, so please, could you support me on a similar experiment at the al-Durrah page? Pretty please?  :) It might make things a bit messy at the beginning, but don't worry, I've got longterm plans which I think you'll approve of. Trust me.  :) --Elonka 19:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I know. I'll be nice to the regulars. The SPAs I will not, particularly not when they break the rules like that and try to spark off more revert-warring. There's no dealing with obsessives...which unfortunately is what SPAs usually are. Tundrabuggy has been topic-banned anyway for that one, and his mate will have to watch her step. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, congrats on the Misplaced Pages:Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard! I think it's a great addition.  :) --Elonka 19:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) On Al-Durrah, we also have to bear BLP in mind. Not to mention WP:FRINGE. Just because it's not libellous to say Enderlin was lying doesn't mean that the mainstream view isn't that the boy is dead. Hell, I can't even find anything from the Israeli army disputing his death, who logically would be the first people to do so. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Request_for_injunction_and_restoration_of_deleted_RFC:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.23Intelligent_design_editors Odd nature (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a merge to the THIRD RfC they set up would be a good compromise? SirFozzie (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Copy

Can you move a copy of my comments from Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Sceptre, Sxeptomaniac, SirFozzie, B and the associated talk page thereof to a user subpage of mine? Thanks! PouponOnToast (talk) 19:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see

for my suggestions in relation to the Obama matter. Without these sort of remedies being enforced, I don't think the situation is going to improve, and going through that talk page did take a long time! I'm not sure if the matter has been forgotten, or MastCell is busy, but I've left a note just in case. Cheers. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Reverting which may seem like edit warring

Hi Moreschi, I felt Pedrito made an error by removing content from the references when he added the "ref name" tags so I reverted this edit. In retrospect, this move might seem to an external observer as edit-warring by me and I'm really interested in resolving this issue without enhancing any disputes so I'd appreciate it if you give a look and tell me if my concerns are correct. In fact, some external observation/mediation on this article seems to be a necessity considering that there seems to be a communication problem between me and Pedrito. To put is succinctly, I feel that he's misreading and enhancing material from the sources - and I'm fairly certain that he feels I'm ignoring core material. Would appreciate your participation as an accepted mediator (at least on my side).
Cheers, Jaakobou 10:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC) clarify 10:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

ARBoVision

Hello! Skopje calling! Various pages (mostly Eurovision-related) affected by the use of FYR, among other things, involving me (today), Isavevski (talk · contribs) and 157.228.x.x (talk · contribs) (for a long while), along with some random anons. 157 blocked for 24 hours for breaking 3RR. Pretty much all the articles this table] we involved. Any further action needed? I'd do a whole thing on twelve point but I'm not as creative as Fut. Perf.BalkanFever 14:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking at it. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 20:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

So I assume nothing needs to be done? BalkanFever 05:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Civility supervision

Does this piss off breach this civility supervision. Additionally he's being telling me to f*ck off all day on ru.wiki, but I don't think that one counts here. --Laveol 19:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Does indeed. 31 hours for him. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

GiovaniG, et al

You've got more experience with this group than I, what do you make of this: User_talk:Rlevse#Request_for_check_up? — Rlevse • Talk • 19:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

This is probably meatpuppetry. Marygiove is self-evidently related to Giovanni - just check the contributions - and the other related accounts are also, I suspect, part of a meatspace tag-team. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 10:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Digwuren case

Hi Moreschi! Daniel proposed a motion with regard to the amendment of Digwiren case . Could you please look at the definition of an "uninvolved administrator" there? I am really concerned that an "uninvolved" but a highly opinionated administrator who actually edits in the area of conflict (and you know a lot of them) might block any other users at will based on such ruling. The area of conflict also seem to be poorly defined. Could you please comment on that? Thank you. Biophys (talk) 04:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the area of conflict, that needs better definition. Will attend to this shortly. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.Biophys (talk) 22:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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User:Mactruth

Per ARBCAM: The aformentioned user is "banned from all pages that relate to Macedonia for two months".

Since you are the one the one you imposed the topic ban, and after Mactruth's edits here, please clarify whether the topic ban includes the talk pages or not. Respectfully,--Yannismarou (talk) 16:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

There's been a lot of people arguing saying I'm banned from editing all pages across WP that involve the Macedonia topic, but I've been confused myself. I have been on the talk pages, but I don't think that counts as editing the actual articles? Does it? Is discussion the same as editing? Here was your explanation to me Mactruth (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Even if you were allowed to edit article talk pages, I don't think inflammatory posts like this, in which you label Greeks "Christian Turks", are the way to go. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 03:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Very true. Further comment on Mactruth's talk. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand, but I am still allowed to talk about Macedonia issues on my page, right? About the trolling, you are right, my blood boils sometimes and my emotions come into play. When that happens, it is difficult for me not to defend myself. I will do a better job at that, considering it is foolish comments.

About the amount of time banned, is there a way to contest the time amount banned? Mactruth (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Molobo

As I've noted here, I very strongly object to this block. I see no evidence of 3RR violation, sockpuppetry, even revert warring. Any editors, per AGF and WP:BRD has the right to revert every now and then, and I see nothing in Molobo's edits that looks "over the top".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Molobo? Cast-iron. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 13:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he has once edited an article as an anon, in a case that is a very dubious breach of 3RR. Per AGF, it neither looks like he breeched 3RR there, nor like he logged out on purpose. If you want to build a case for perblock on that, please go ahead and block me too, as well as 90% of Wikipedians out there. Seriously: Molobo should not be permblocked without an ArbCom ruling, he has done nothing disruptive enough to warrant such a treatment.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

One lousy IP edit ist cast-iron proof of sockpuppetry? As I have explaned on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive431, even the first major block can be challenged for the same reason - three IP edits coming from the same source somewhere in Poland, and one from somewhere in Switzerland. Please, reconsider your verdict, User Moreschi, because it's not right. If you wanna block someone permanently for POV, be bold and say it, that's the Misplaced Pages way as Jimbo claims. Thanks! greg park avenue (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Most importantly, he shouldn't be unblocked, because he even didn't serve his one year ban. Molobo was still editing either as an IP, or through proxy users, while he was banned. And you know it Piotrus very well. He hasn't changed at all just check his block log at pl.wikipedia. Only change that might be worth consideration is banning from whole wiki project all together. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfounded accusations (Care to point out to the checkuser supporting your accusation). Molobo was blocked and got a bad reputation significantly because several users pushing fringe POV repeated such claims, and despite lack of truth to most of them, mud stucks... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Frankly I have more interesting things to do than dig through old garbage. Diffs can be provided, google does wonders these days, but why waste time, when you surely must know what I'm talking about. M0RD00R (talk) 17:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

If you are throwing serious accusation, present diffs or what you are doing is no different from WP:SLANDER/WP:HARASSMENT. I am not familiar with any case of Molobo using socks (other than once logging out by accident and making a single edit as an IP).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, if you insist I'll try to do some google magic. Let's see what it might bring. M0RD00R (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's start with WP:BANPOL:

Editing on behalf of banned users

Wikipedians are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned user, an activity sometimes called proxying.

And now let's look at these diffs

Post titled "Prośba o rozszerzenie artykułu o Łodzi na English wiki" (Request to expand article about Lodz on English wiki)

Znowu o "wyzwalaniu" w angielskojęzycznym artykule o Łodzi. Czy mógłbyś przywrócić i rozszerzyć artykuł o informacje dotyczące zbrodni "wyzwolicieli" (Again about "liberation" in English article about Lodz, could you rollback and expand article with information about crimes of "liberators") then Molobo presents a source http://www.wprost.pl/ar/?O=55026

Edit was made on July 10, 2006 (Molobo still on one year ban)

Now lets look at this diff . Piotrus does exactly what was asked.

• Another case of proxying.

While on another block Molobo comes to Piotrus asking for favour

"Piotruś jakbyś mógł, przekaż Szopenowi żeby się ze mną skontaktował na english wiki, ewentualnie zobaczył mój talk i ostatnie linki które dają bo dotyczą dyskusji w jakiej tam uczestniczy"(Piotrus could you tell Szopen that he cantacted me on English wiki, to see links provided on my talk page, because they relate to discussion he's taking part in)

Piotrus does what asked .

Enough with proxying issue. Piotrus pl.wiki talk is riddled with Molobo requests while he was on ban, and frankly I do not have time, nor will to check every single case.

Now let's take a look how Molobo obeyed his one year ban.

Very interesting diff by user claiming to be Molobo at ru.wiki )

Now let's look at this IP edits at en.wiki

. Edits were made while Molobo was banned for one year. I bet there will be plenty of users who would recognize Molobos style, and put these and other edits by this IP onto detaileid linguistic, semantic analysis

So these are results of my quick and shallow google job. I do not have time nor am interested in in-depth investigation of this case, although I have some thoughts on edit history of User:Lastaer for example. Situation when admins serve as proxies for banned users is sad as it is. Summary: I have very serious doubts, that Molobo complied with his one year ban, I don't think he will comply with indef as well. What I hope this time there will be no proxying on his behalf by admins, because this behaviour puts integrity of whole project at risk.

P.S. Molobo's block log at pl.wiki

Molobo at Alternative History wiki - banned

Axishistory forum - banned

I don't know if it is the same Molobo, I don't know how many more Molobos are banned from how many more forums, wikis etc, and I don't care, enough time has been wasted on this topic already. EOT for me. Over and out. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikilawyering, huh? You forgot to finish the sentence from BANPOL: unless they are able to confirm that the changes are verifiable and have independent reasons for making them. Regarding your other research, until you feel a CHECKUSER case, your accusations have no weight. And yes, what other people with the same nick did outside en wiki is of no interest to us.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi, I applaud your courage to block Molobo indefinitely. Piotruś, I deplore your constant siding with Molobo and trying to save him the long deserved punishment with nitpicking on technicalities. Or are you seriously suggesting the Molobo on .pl. is a different person? Molobo is an extreme POV pusher with a history of bans as long as any I've seen, he's been poisoning the atmosphere everywhere he turned up, he's been damaging Poland's image, he has deterred other users from Poland-related articles, thus turning them into nationalistic backwaters and compromising the quality and reputation of Misplaced Pages as a whole. It's a shame he's gotten away with all this for so long, and it's a good thing someone has finally had the courage to enforce the overdue ban. --Thorsten1 (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'll have to back down from my statement above:

"20:33, 30 June 2008 Moreschi (Talk | contribs) unblocked "Molobo (Talk | contribs)" ‎ (Clemency is a virtue: user has agreed to stick to 1RR per week and civility supervision)"

Why, everybody deserves a 21st chance, don't they? One million strikes and you're out, right? :| --Thorsten1 (talk) 10:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

More User:PIO

Hi, wondering if you would finally resolve this ugly business: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/PIO (3rd)? Be advised that User:Luigi 28/PIO has intentionally cluttered the report up to prevent a resolution. He added tons of info completely irrelevant to the sockpuppeteering accusation (such as a list of occurrences when I called him "PIO"). The fact that anyone wanting to end this guy's disruption would have to sift through the gibberish is probably the only reason he's still not blocked. Would really appreciate it if you could find the time to have a look, this matter is affecting a number of editors and disrupting work on articles, thanks. --DIREKTOR 15:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:) Thanks so much for your time. --DIREKTOR 19:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

cheerio!

you've got mail

Hi Moreschi, you've got mail about a live meat-puppetry / off-site "tactical" discussion--Cailil 17:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I see it, thanks. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Did you get mine? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did. I'm sorry for not being able to handle everything at once, the last week or so has been nastily busy. I'll try to catch up over the weekend. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

User:M.V.E.i.

Hey, I could do with a second opinion on something before I go any further. If you have time, would you mind taking a look at this sockpuppetry case, and this one, then see if you spot a similar pattern here. Cheers, Papa November (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. The Israeli IPs make it conclusive. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I think the user is back again after his community ban. The new user User:SharpNail was created at 14:55 today, just two hours after his latest sockpuppet User:MaIl89 had his unblock refused. The new user has so far:

• Referred to User:Protagon on their talk page, who was the first person to bring a sockpuppetry case against User:M.V.E.i..
• Admitted that they are a sockpuppet account, albeit with claims that they will behave themselves this time.
• Continued a thread at Talk:Russians, which User:MaIl89 started
• Used very similar spelling/grammatical errors to previous incarnations.

Despite the user's insistence that they are making a clean start, this is clearly a block evasion. Do you think it's worth taking this to checkuser? I don't think we'll have much luck with the ban if it's already been broken after 2 hours! Papa November (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi, I took care of it for you. It's quite obviously him; no CU necessary, in my opinion. I remember him from his "Shpakovich" incarnation. If he genuinely wants to reform he needs to get community buy-in for an overturn of his ban, and I explained that on his talk page. Antandrus (talk) 16:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ant :) This one's beyond reform, IMO - all we could ever teach him is how to game the system better and push POV more effectively. Cheers, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Greek Camus spammer back

Remember Christos Papachristopoulos? Well, he's back in IP form: . --Folantin (talk) 08:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocked him. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Berkunt/Miyokan again

Dear Moreschi, regarding that failed RFCU, look at this please: vs. , and , and . Frankly, I absolutely don't believe that they are not related. And what worries me more is that Berkunt has uploaded a number of pictures taken all over Russia (in St. Petersburg, Moscow and Volgograd) labelling them as PD-Self, while he can't even tell the Senate and Synod Buildings from the General Staff Building on his pictures from St. Petersburg. It is unlikely that the pictures are all PD-Self. Note the same pattern with Miyokan (Sochi, Virgin Komi Forests, Magadan – He has travelled a lot, if this is true). Well, taking the aerial picture of the Virgin Komi Forests is certainly out of the means of an average Wikipedian. While I oppose copyright myself, such is life, and if they are not really PD-Self, I think it makes a disservice to Misplaced Pages.Colchicum (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OMG, the images are all taken from Flickr. I'll present evidence soon. Colchicum (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, here is it: User:Berkunt's PD-Self: Image:The_motherland_calls.jpg stolen from , Image:Bolshoi theatre before 2005 restoration.jpg stolen from , Image:Senatesynod2.jpg stolen from . User:Miyokan's PD-Self: Image:Magadan2.jpg stolen from . I have little doubt that Image:Russia_taiga.jpg, Image:Virgin_komi.jpg and the rest are also stolen, but cannot locate the source. Colchicum (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I've started deleting a few. Obviously a serial offender. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A serial one, indeed. Image:Virgin komi.jpg is from with the copyright notice cropped out. Colchicum (talk) 11:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is much much worse than just a copyvio, he falsely claims copyright over others' work. It is not only copyright infringement, it is authorship infringement. Image:Russia taiga.jpg is stolen from . Colchicum (talk) 12:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Jesus, I don't know how CU came back negative. I'll ask him. Thanks for helping with the pics, Fut.Perf :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Balkans

Some naive administrator has just unprotected International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. Keep an eye on this, please. Colchicum (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Colchian Boy

Hi Moreschi. Our Laz nationalist, hating the word "Kartvelian", staged a comeback. He just attacked my talkpage. He also uses IPs to push his POV in the target articles Laz people, Mingrelians, Kartvelian peoples, and South Caucasian languages. How about semi-protecting them? Many thanks, --Kober 19:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked the new sock and have semiprotted most of the relevant articles. Thanks for keeping tabs on this chap. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Is this directed at me?

I was very much enjoying your Wikithoughts, etc., page. I did happen to notice that you added this around the time I started posting a lot to ANI. I have said on numerous occasions that if an admin tells me they feel I am being unhelpful, I will back off and just stick to WP:WQA, though so far nobody's said that. If the diff I pointed out is your way of saying that, it's cool, my feelings won't be hurt... I just want to make sure I am actually helping and not hindering. I feel like I am helping, but of course it is always very difficult to be objective about one's own actions :)

Anyway, no hard feelings either way, but I had to ask given the timing of your addition... --Jaysweet (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Good god, no. Your contributions at ANI and various other places are invariably helpful. I actually wrote that after Durova took an obviously problematic editor to ANI, but got no response because said editor flooded the board with crap, leading to mass case of tl;dr syndromw. She then took it to RFAR, where I was actually able to notice the problem, see all the evidence clearly laid out by multiple editors, and block the troll indef, thus saving the arbitrators a case. The problem with ANI is not you, it's the fact that the board is too massive and we haven't got enough people there, especially not enough admins. Perhaps a "no posting in my section" rule, like at RFAR, would help. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 17:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, phew, thanks for the clarification. I still make a lot of mistakes in ignorance (e.g. this just yesterday: ) so I'm always worried I might be creating more problems than I am solving. Sorry for the paranoia, and thanks for the reply! :) :) --Jaysweet (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The "no posting in my section" is not at all a bad idea, BTW. I also think that admins should be more bold in putting disccusion top/discussion bottom tags on conversations for which clearly no admin action is necessary. In my mind, ANI is not a Truth & Reconciliation Committee (even though I know even some admins see it that way sometimes)... --Jaysweet (talk) 17:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop creating noticeboards

They are dumb, and we have too many already.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

{{fact}}. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Block of Mrg3105

Hi, Moreschi.

I am not sure blocking Mrg3105 (talk · contribs) for was a good idea. Basically he was saying that he finds edits by Piotrus to be biased and so he would rather avoid editing the same article as Piotrus. The first part seems to be a widely held opinion (see the correspondent arbcom, for instance). It is not denied by Piotrus himself. The second part is a personal choice of an editor that we are usually trying to encourage. Avoidance of an editor if somebody dislikes his or her editorial pattern is a good thing. It is usually a first step in any conflict resolution. I have never heard somebody was punished for this. It is much better for peace in the community than to follow the editor you dislike and challenge him or her to edit wars on any applicable page.

Mrg3105 seems to be a productive editor with high quality contributions who is not a POV-pusher or edit warrior. He is a real life professional historian if I am correct. IMHO we a driving out a good asset to the project on unclear reasons.

If there is a background in the case I am missing please let me know. Otherwise I would ask for the block review Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I was going to comment on this case anyway, but Alex's comment makes it vital. I can reference numerous examples of such incivility for which Mrg3105 has just been blocked. ( - be aware, it's a very long AfD, and Mrg tends to write very long replies) () ()() ()() Mrg3105 has been involved for months in bitter disagreements, edit warring, and disruptive editing, consistently introducing changes, being notified that they breach consensus, being counselled as such, and then pouring scorn on such opinions and changing things back. I can quote numerous examples, but most recently is trying to rewrite the introduction of Battle of the Atlantic() and trying to change the category structure of World War II against numerous editors' opposition. He's also responded in foul language when several of his WP:RMs goes against him. ( ) - and been block warned for it. While he makes a lot of noise about professionalism, I have never heard him claim actually to be a historian - merely that he claims to act like one. However, an earlier discussion about blocking him by the military history project's coordinators closed with just the block warning referred to. () Most recent warning of a block is the bottom of this section ( - note the scorn and argumentativeness it was met with, including personal attacks - 'you ought to get out more') I'll go and get the relevant links. Cavert: I'm quite heavily involved in several of these disputes, as I'm appalled at the disruption caused by this user. Buckshot06(prof) 03:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Certainly it was a good idea! We're dealing with Mrg's disruptivity for about one year and it's enough. He always disrupts Misplaced Pages and the Milhist project in order to illustrate his own point. Also, he usually misuse Wiki guidelines in many abuses of process - one example can be found here. Personally, i'm glad that this user was finally blocked. --Eurocopter (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite possible he was disruptive over his interpretation of WP:MOS that cause problems to other users. Quite possible it was blockable. Why he was not blocked for this but instead on an overextended interpretation of Digwuren clause. Regardless of Mrg's sins overextension of Digwuren case would probably progressively lead to blocking of all the editors ever involved into the Eastern Europe articles in a process not unlike the Salem witch trials Alex Bakharev (talk) 10:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry, but "play nice" applies to everyone. His description of Piotrus's editing was highly nasty and unfair. So, he gets blocked as per the Digwuren case, and will keep on getting blocked until he calms it. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

For another incident that happened about the same time see User talk:Mrg3105#Warning on Layout and Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Mrg3105 Layout. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC) (Updated link to AN/I here) Buckshot06(prof) 14:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not get me started on this guy, probably the rudest person in Milhist, his condescending and superior attitude is absolutely unbearable. A temporary block is hardly the solution in my view... --DIREKTOR 17:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

This block seems justified, and I agree with the above editors who have pointed out that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Mrg has been repeatedly warned about his uncivil behaviour, but it doesn't seem to have had any noticable effect. Nick Dowling (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

We all respect (or should respect) people who contribute significantly to Misplaced Pages, there comes a point, however, when one's objective value to the encyclopedia is dwarfed by the amount of disruption his particular attitude generates. To use a minor incident as an example, this guy, Mrg3105, engaged me in a debate lasting several hours trying to prove that using the adjective "Soviet" (i.e. "of the Soviet Union") is incorrect when referring to military units of the Red Army. Why? because the Red Army changed its name into "Army of the Soviet Union" after WW2, and therefore it is wrong to refer to Red Army units as those belonging to the Soviet Union. Again, this lasted hours, and the guy still maintains I'm far too stupid to understand his point :P --DIREKTOR 02:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm really only involved on the fringes of all this, but I support the block. On the occasions I've head to deal with Mrg or have seen others deal with him, he has often been rude, condescending or outright rude. He has some good ideas, but never attempts to create a consensus, or often even consult with other editors. He simply goes on his way and criticizes anyone who attempts to oppose him. Skinny87 (talk) 08:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

For the record, Moreschi, thanks for enforcing WP:CIV. I was highly offended by mgr, comments like those make me question whether I should contribute to this project, and enforcing civility reassures me I should stick here. Btw, have you seen this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Moreschi, Do you consider this talkpage response below WP:CIV? It's the bottom part of this diff.

'Quite frankly changing the titles of these sections does not breach any editing policies. Far be it from being disruptive, it sets a logical and consistent approach to presentation of materials used to construct an article, and encourages others to use the {{find}} feature to use the special relationship Misplaced Pages has with Google to its fullest. So, in summary, I don’t need to do anything Philip says I need to do because quite frankly I do more then he does by using this format. If he doesn't like me editing the section titles, he can write his own articles, but all articles are subject to editing, so given I have offered my rationale, and all he has to say is "there is no consensus" I can acknowledge that no consensus can exist on a set of guidelines and conventions that are not binding on editors as policy is.

The explanation why I use this structure is simple, and far from "haphazard". I edit several articles simultaneously within the narrow subject range and often use same sources and even references (page numbers) across several articles. This means that I can readily add citations to multiple articles. Its called being productive. I note Philip's opposition to my productivity, but there it is. In general I would encourage Philip to edit articles more than spend time on insisting that editors keep strictly to guidelines, because they are guidelines, and not rules carved in stone.' :::Cheers--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 23:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Copied over from another page - finished copying. Buckshot06(prof) 00:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"If he doesn't like me editing the section titles, he can write his own articles..."

Neither Mrg nor Phillip can "own" articles. I'm sure he is fundamentally aware of WP:OWN (as I do not presume the stupidity of others), yet even here, on an Admin's talkpage, his choice of words betrays a mentality of article ownership displayed on truly numerous occasions. --DIREKTOR 01:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that everyone has had their say on how horrible mrg315 is, I only have one reply to all these accusations.

The acceptance of Wikpedia as an authoritative reference work can only come from its own reliance on solid and verifiable sources, and their proper referencing; that's the use of page numbers. Misplaced Pages will not be accepted until its product, the articles, conform to academic standard of writing, and are therefore recommended by academics to their students and enter the mainstream popular use. All my "conflicts" stem from insistence on use, correct use that is, of verifiable sources, which is the Misplaced Pages policy. I take no bs on this, it being the core policy that is at the root of Misplaced Pages's success or failure. People seem to think that just because it has been around for years and has 2.5 million articles, its a success, but its success is measured, as everywhere, by quality and not quantity, and that quality is represented in its FA and GA articles, which are very few in number, largely because of deficient sourcing and referencing.

In future I will limit my discussions to Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 22:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian Canadians

User:Aquanodd has been editing this article to include racial slurs, and in the "notable person" category has removed Steven Stamkos. I have a feeling this guy may want to remove him to do the recent NHL draft. Mactruth (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

View this persons edits here. I believe the person does not believe Steve Stamkos is Macedonian but Greek and has therefore changed the article to suit his agenda. Mactruth (talk) 04:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Steve Stamkos

User:Aquanodd has also removed sections of this page and editing to his liking. Please view his edits here. Mactruth (talk) 04:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

*Boink*

Looks like you were right: Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Miyokan. I would appreciate comment. The Evil Spartan (talk) 07:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

(Butting in) Russian nationalist with an interest in aircraft? Sounds like Miyokan (who, I imagine, took his name from this). --Folantin (talk) 09:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am personally have little doubts that Berkunt and Miyokan are the same person. On the other hand I am wondering what change this info makes other than satisfying some sort of personal curiosity. We respect WP:VANISH up to the point of assigning administrative flags without RFA to returning users, the story of User:!! may also be useful. Miyokan was a user in good standing on May 16 2008 when Berkunt did his first entry outside the userspace. Miyokan did no editing since May 6 2008. The only problem I could see is that they both edited a few articles but there is a large time gap between those edits making the point moot. Any suggestions why we should continue violating privacy of a contributor instead of doing something for the project? Alex Bakharev (talk) 10:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Digwuren (talk · contribs) is not in the good standing, he is banned by the famous Arbcom decision. I guess nobody has any doubt that he is the same person as Karabinier (talk · contribs). Still I do not see any reason to investigate this, so far as Karabinier works mostly productively without creation of major disruptions.

Actually, no, Alex: "Right to vanish" is only if you actually want to vanish, i.e. stop contributing, and the other (related but not identical) notion is when you need to protect your privacy; neither of these cases applies here ("Miyokan" doesn't seem to be a real-life name or anything). Miyokan switched accounts to hide his block log and his abusive record of copyvio image uploads. WP:SOCK is explicit in naming "avoiding scrutiny" among the illegitimate uses of duplicate accounts. Second, Miyokan was not an editor in good standing when Berkunt started to edit: he was blocked. Berkunt started on 15 May, not 16 May, and made dozens of edits during the >30 hours his block was still running. Most of those were "harmless" vandalism reverts, but at least some were substantial content edits in his normal editing domain (e.g. ). So, while the account switch in itself is not too problematic, we do have (a) block evasion, (b) the fact that Miyokan's block log ought to be taken into account whenever there's an issue of judging Berkunt's behaviour in edit-warring and similar issues, and (c) that Berkunt needs to be held responsible for Miyokan's copyvios, and must be treated as a hardened serial offender who knew very well what he was doing. (Note that Miyokan started falsely declaring images as "pd-self" exactly when he understood that his earlier pattern of sourcing "noncommercial-only" images to flickr didn't work )., and Berkunt systematically continued that pattern. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

What Future Perfect said. It's the second time this has happened (Miyokan was originally User:Ilya1166). We don't allow problem editors to award themselves clean block logs every few months or so. --Folantin (talk) 11:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Endorse FuturePerfect at Sunrise and Folantin's opinions. This user is not contributing productively to wikipedia - I've had run-ins with him before. Buckshot06(prof) 11:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

And what, User:Karabinier is User:Digwuren, and we're supposed to tolerate that? No way. I'm not familiar enough with the case to see the identity immediately, but if anybody gives me some evidence, I of course will block Karabinier. Note that he again has a block log for edit-warring. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I have some doubt, Alex, to put it mildly. It is unlikely. Last year Dugwuren edited many articles I was interested in, and I communicated with him very often (well, you know), yet Karabinier now appears only very rarely on my watchlist. And there is absolutely no similarity in their editing patterns (well, I hope you understand that it is perfectly natural for an Estonian to be interested in Estonia, this doesn't count). Estonia is a small country, and we all know that Estonians may look very similar on Misplaced Pages, we've already discussed this more than a year ago (see the disgraceful abused RFCUs and details of the arbitration case), let's not start this again. As to Miyokan as a user in a good standing as of May 2008, this is new to me. He has a strong antagonistic pro-Russian, pro-Soviet and economically leftist POV, some problems with WP:OWN on the article Russia (in good faith), as well as an impressive log of blocks for edit-warring as a result, and was about to be placed on 1RR around that time. Actually I believe he has been placed on 1RR. I don't think that this is a blockable case of sockpuppetry, not at all, but as long as we have block logs and community sanctions on Misplaced Pages, it is not fair to try to wipe the logs clean by assuming a new identity. Colchicum (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've annotated Berkunt's block log to include links to his two previous block logs. That's fair enough (and "invasion of privacy" - my arse). Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Colchicum (looks like you're still foaming at the mouth from our past conflict a year ago ^_^ Thought I'd include this gem for everyone: Colchicum - "Ok, I don't care much about that country. Go on playing with yourself. Bye." - Charming) and co., (looks like still harbouring grudges against me from past conflicts we've had (Folantin]) (Moreschi) when my contributions were endorsed by other users in these cases?) whether you agree with my contributions is moot, I was an editor in good standing and have never been blocked for the content of my contributions, with plenty of users agreeing with me in my edits. --Berkunt (talk) 13:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Berkunt, don't think I dream of you every night. I don't even know who the hell you are and don't consider that to be a conflict. If I have any grudges against you now, this is primarily because of this. When you inserted the false information (about my native city, by the way), you should take care of correcting it as soon as you became aware of this, yet you have preferred to conceal the fact. Ok, great virtue. Very patriotic. I think we are here to write an accurate encyclopedia rather than to glorify our native countries by whatever means available, you don't. Ok. I have little doubt that there are great many economically leftist pro-Russian state Wikipedians (well, unlike Moreschi and Folantin I wouldn't call such things nationalism) and others agreeing with you in your edits, but Misplaced Pages is not a democracy and I am certainly not very happy with your version of the history of Russia in the 1980s-1990s, which has little to do with reality and can only be supported by marginal or fringe publications or superfluous and tangential remarks in tertiary sources (like Britannica), which is a violation of WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. Yes, I am not going to pay much attention to the article Russia as long as it is spoiled by a single POV, but I hope that somebody else will be interested. You may sincerely think that the article gets better, but it doesn't. It neither gets more accurate nor evokes more sympathy for Russia. To put it short, I don't know you personally, and if I hold any grudges against you, this is only because of the content you add or delete, and this is legitimate. Sorry for being rude. It is not surprising that you have no blocks for content. Normally Wikipedians are not blocked for content. However, this doesn't mean that everything is ok with the content, especially when Wikipedians get blocked for edit-warring while defending their content. By the way, I have no intention to continue chatting with you, unless you come up with content issues. Colchicum (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Further development: Berkunt has reverted to the old account and old habits and as Miyokan is now engaged in a holy crusade to delete Polish and Lithuanian names of West Belarusian towns and edit-warring on Holodomor (well above the 1RR limit), and in general seeks conflict with Polish and Ukrainian editors. Why can't he edit calmly and constructively? Colchicum (talk) 10:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Even MORE User:PIO

Hi Moreschi, remember User:Luigi 28, the latest sock by banned User:PIO? Well he just won't stay banned, he's now simply editing via his IP(s), namely, 151.67.84.1 (contribs: ), 151.67.87.5 (contribs: ), and 151.67.86.133 (contribs: ), I'm sure he considers himself very clever. He's been incessantly annoying numerous editors and Admins for weeks now, and I'm hoping you might finally end the matter somehow, thanks. --DIREKTOR 13:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked these IPs. If you think some articles would benefit from semiprotection, please let me know which ones. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, the articles Istria, Istrian exodus and Foibe massacres are usually targeted by PIO and his horde of alter-egos. Thanks for the help. --DIREKTOR 15:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've semiprotected these indefinitely. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Your block of Ottava Rima

Hi, Moreschi. I have posted an alternative suggestion for blocking Ottava Rima—a "block refactoring"— on ANI, here. Could you take a look and respond to my suggestion, please? Bishonen | talk 14:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC).

Ok, will do. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Could you move List of important opera terminology to List of opera topics (over redirect)? It seems the page is stuck somehow at its current location. *Sigh* "Neutrality" obsessives yet again...Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Cheers, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I've made a request at the ANI discussion concerning this move. The Transhumanist    00:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

And seemingly de-requested. Can we please have less bureaucratic wankery next time? And a bit less insistence on uniformity? Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Veropedia

Looking around your userpages, and thinking of articles I would like to upload to Veropedia, there's not a single simple explanation of how to do that. I infer from this that one has to get a Veropedia account, but nowhere does it actually say that. When one clicks on the suggest articles page, and one is not using Microsoft Outlook, you get this annoying series of pop-ups. Thought you might like to know this for improvement. Kind regards Buckshot06(prof) 03:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Yet more PIO

Hi Moreschi. There's another PIO sock appeared. It's User:Ustashi, oddly editing a couple of PIO's favourite articles, using identical edit summaries as PIO's IP did last week at the History of Croatia article - , as well as a couple of choice entries on DIREKTOR's talk page today . Should I prepare an SSP report or is this one obvious enough to be nukable? Many thanks, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nuked. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help. Did you see happen to see this charming remark as he was being ushered towards the exit?  :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 15:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, did indeed. The irony is outstanding - it's a pity he and his kind never seem to appreciate it. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 15:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Such moments are to be cherished, but make no mistake: he'll be back. Maybe next time he'll go really nuts and act like a Serbian nationalist. :P --DIREKTOR 15:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be truly awesome. I await with anticipation :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 15:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

And now how can somebody say that wikipedia is not amusing. No forum, blog can produce such joke and attract this quality entertainer. Zenanarh (talk) 19:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Byzantium

You probably need to semi-protect the talk page at Byzantium. The IP crank is up to no good again. His other accounts can be blocked until he retracts the legal threats too. --Folantin (talk) 15:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nishkid got to it before I did. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you semi-protect my user and talk page? Anonymous crank is at it again. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

FPAS took care of the user page, and I just did the talk page for you. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 16:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

I appreciate your forbearance, and I want to re-emphasise my general support for your approach to dealing with bad editing. DGG (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

And I yours :) Moreschi (talk) (debate) 14:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

is "inability to use a dictionary" a reason for blocking?

See Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis#Euhemerization. It's hard to believe the kinds of things you have to deal with on Misplaced Pages sometimes...

I doubt any administrative action could be taken, I just wanted to share my frustration. BruceGrubb is basically an SPA on this topic and I don't think he's contributed anything useful. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll get round to this soonish. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 08:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Creating a battleground

Would you think that falls under it? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Aye, probably does. Duly noted. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 08:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Duly noted, too. And this, of course. -- Matthead  Discuß   09:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Again Sock of Colchian boy

Dear Moreschi, another sock of our laz fellow appeared on the same pages, vandalizing as usual ,. Iberieli (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Moreschi, that is a content dispute. If you are going to block anyone I suggest blocking all three edit warriors (Kober, Iberieli, and the user that Iberieli is complaining about). Also, please have a look at the uncivil behaviour of Kober and Iberieli on the talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pocopocopocopoco (talk • contribs) Jun 26, 2008

Dear Pocopo, please stop following other users and calumniating Iberieli and me. This is not the first case you have done this and your behavior in such cases is way too much stereotypical. I urge you to reconsider your tactic of settling personal scores with your perceived enemies. It is not helpful at all. Best, Kober 05:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

And you got warned for edit warring in that instance. I could have easily reported both you and Iberieli for 3RR as you had done something like 35RR in your edit war with that user. I tried to calm things down and stop the edit warring in the talk page and got nothing but abusive comments from you and Iberieli. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Look, this guy is banned. He doesn't get to edit. Kober and Ibereili can revert his edits 'till kingdom come. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 08:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Banned where? Was it an arbcom ban or a community ban and do you have the link? I know some of his socks have been blocked but I wasn't aware there was a ban. Personally I don't see anything that warrants a ban, from what I see he gets into edit wars with Kober and Iberieli over content issues. My only compliant about him is that he sometimes comes up with some abusive edit summaries, but I also find Kober and Iberieli to be uncivil and hostile in the talk pages. In this particular edit war at Georgia (country) it is a content dispute because user:Pasquale (a linguist) seems to disagree with Kober and Iberieli. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hello. I'm going to take over this MedCab case and try to work this stuff out. I posted in the talk page what I would like all participants to do to start. Hopefully this all works out well, I have zero intention of leaning towards any one side in this dispute, and I only care about getting it taken care of. Wizardman 18:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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I posted a request at requested recordings. If you have the time, please take a look. Thanks. Bebestbe (talk) 20:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

heh

For what it's worth, I think this whole FT2 fiasco is the first time you and I have completely agreed on anything. Jtrainor (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Another page move

Could you move Michel Montéclair to Michel Pignolet de Montéclair over the redirect? The latter is his correct name. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Folantin (talk) 08:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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Worst. ANI. Thread. Ever

. Shame you're not around. Read it and laugh/weep. Misplaced Pages is safe in the hands of our Keystone Cops admin corps. Conclusion: I'm "angry", therefore I'm "wrong". Never mind the faked sources. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 11:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Your trout

You haven't responded to my comment there; for the most part you're right on the money although I wish you had expressed it with a little less heat. My own error was a garden variety thing that I withdrew with apologies immediately. Let's not make this situation up to appear worse than it already is. Best, Durova 16:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

ty :) Durova 20:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible evasion of block via sock puppetry

On July 7, you blocked Jack the Giant-Killer (talk) (aka William P. Reaves) from further editing for one month. Today, "Jack's" pattern of edits to the Viktor Rydberg article is continuing from what I have previously identified as an apparent sock puppet account of Mr. Reaves, Finnrekkr (talk). Is there a procedure that should be followed to report apparent evasions of blocks via sock puppets? Rsradford (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I already had this checked. Apparently it's not sockpuppetry, though meatpuppetry looks likely. I'll deal with it on that basis. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 19:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to be a pest about this, but could you let me know what procedures were used to determine that this is not sockpuppetry? There is absolutely no doubt that the individual now editing as Finnrekkr (talk) is William P. Reaves, whom you banned from editing as Jack the Giant-Killer. He is misspelling the same words ("concensus"), falsifying the same quotes in exactly the same way (Clive Tolley), and concentrating all his editing activity on pushing the same POV in the same two articles ( Viktor Rydberg and Lotte Motz ). If this is none of my business, feel free to say so and I'll drop it, but because Reaves stalked me to the Lotte Motz article solely for the purpose of provoking an edit war, I have a vested interest in seeing that once he's banned, he stays banned. Thanks. Rsradford (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Baiting OF Molobo?

Could you comment regarding this? At the very least, I think it shows bad faith.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC) Also .

Such remarks aren't friendly and don't serve any improvement of the article in my view.

--Molobo (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

@Piotruś: "Could you comment regarding this?" I'm surprised you're asking Moreschi, can't you comment yourself? But wait - you did comment, after all, just not to my face, but around my back, right? Not what I would do, but if that's your style, so be it. To answer your comment, of course it shows bad faith. I assume good faith by default, and I did so with Molobo back in 2005. Three years and roughly 20 blocks later, whatever remained of my good faith in him is used up. I'm trying hard to continue to assume good faith in you, Piotr, and so far I've always been able to muster up some of it. Without your constant patronage of an editor as disruptive as you-know-who it would be a whole lot easier, though.

@Molobo: Why don't we discuss this where it belongs? --Thorsten1 (talk) 20:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I have asked you to be more polite and assume more good faith at WP:PWNB before. Since you ignored my requests, and continue to follow Molobo and bait him, I am asking another admin to review your actions (I am too involved to do so myself).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to repair the damage that Molobo is doing to Misplaced Pages with his incompetent and/or politically motivated edits. Just like Molobo is (once again) entitled to edit where he pleases, I am entitled to correct/undo his tampering where necessary and challenge him to justify his edits on talk pages (that's what they're for). If that's "baiting" in your book, I can't help it. As for politeness, if you can point me to any rude things I shouldn't have said, please point me to it - personally - and I'll mend my ways. (I doubt that you'll find any, but never mind that.) As for assuming "good faith", I think you will agree that "good faith" is not an endless resource. Telling someone to have "good faith" in Molobo is like telling someone to please believe in the tooth-fairy again. --Thorsten1 (talk) 21:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Piotrus, Thorsten1 made a good point in that edit in that birds of the same feather do not always need to flock together. The board, which you consider your Polish community, is not a Latin or general help desk, although for Molobo it always proved the last stronghold when he gets in trouble (that's why his thanks for the unblock went there and to Greg in particular). Or is it about the joke about German imperialism? Many a true word is spoken in jest - Molobo's profound dislike for and immense stereotypes about Germany and Germans are no assumption or accusation but fact, yet it's not funny. His whole account operates as a single-purpose account to spread negative information about Germany and Russia in conjunction with information favouring Polish nationalism. But as long as he does not revert twice within 24h, he is allowed to do that - where there's a will there's always a way. Plus, he's got people advising and protecting him, ready to attack anyone's motives who opposes Molobo (at present: accusations of baiting) so that only the others remain. The edit preceding the one you pointed out is also noteworthy ("rv censorship"). Sciurinæ (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Scurinae, please. Was Molobo supposed to thank the Japanese or Korean portals? Tymek (talk) 19:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Allegations of apartheid deletion notification

Some time ago, you participated in a deletion review concerning Allegations of Chinese apartheid. I thought you might like to know that the parent article, Allegations of apartheid, was recently nominated for deletion. Given that many of the issues that have been raised are essentially the same as those on the article on which you commented earlier, you may have a view on whether Allegations of apartheid should be kept or deleted. If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination). -- ChrisO (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Publication as source of information regarding Polish German history  ?

Would you like to comment on what I discovered ?

--Molobo (talk) 20:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)