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Happy editing! Dunc|☺ 21:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Explanation Please =

Okay, why did you delete my RFC about DESpiegel's unsolicited obscene message to me? It was of great importance to me to stop such behavior and you interfered with my legitimate efforts to put a stop to it. Send your explanation to my user talk. Felix Frederick Bruyns 03:31, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

If you are talking about this one, it's innapropriate to add a user conduct RFC to a page dedicated for article content RFCs. You should use Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/User conduct instead. --cesarb 03:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure

We were all n00bs once. Feel free to ask me personally if you have any more questions. (Though, actually, I may be gone in the starting on Tuesday, but I'll try to check my messages.) Dmcdevit·t 04:17, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Policy About Profanity

Are you are aware of the "avoid profanity" official Misplaced Pages policy? That so-called poem contains a lot of it. Felix Frederick Bruyns 05:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I am not aware, nor do I profess to care. El_C 06:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, I am not aware of it either—could you show me where it is, Mr. Bruyns? — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:42, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

The "so-called" Misplaced Pages:Profanity guideline, which is listed on WP:POL as avoid profabity. El_C 07:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Confused

Okay, I'm not sure what's going on, and it could be difficult to work out what is, but what's your point? Do you want to email me? Dunc|☺ 19:02, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Apology and User Talk Problem

I genuinely apologize for the RFC mix-up. I am relatively new to Misplaced Pages and I now realize that I chose the wrong RFC board. By the way, a user named Knowledge Seeker says that I am accidentally damaging others' user talk pages (something or other about the "enter" key). If so, I certainly want to stop. Have I in any way caused misalignment on your user talk page, including with this message? If so, please respond at my user talk. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 17:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

With this message, no, but with your previous message, you added a line break somewhere else in the page (which I already fixed). See this diff. --cesarb 19:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Advice

If you want my advice, it's just this: keep cool. I haven't read all the conflicts you mentioned, but since some of the people you mentioned are some of the most respected people here, I think you may be unintentionally overreacting. Think of it this way. Conflict is an inevitable result of even good-faith editing. Most people who have been here for a while have experienced some kind of serious attack (check out this on my user page), but you just have to live with it. If you think people are slandering you, just ignore it, develop a thick skin. Just react to their main point, not an attack. Once you return in kind, nothing good will happen. But often enough, if you refuse to comment on attacks, and maintain your cool, they'll do the same. You may want to submit an RFM if you think it's beyond simple one-on-one negotiation. Dmcdevit·t 21:49, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you've come to an agreement, see my comment on my talk page. Dmcdevit·t 02:45, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Tell me what you'd like to do... :) Dmcdevit·t 05:37, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just suggesting that you do on other pages what I did on my own. When you delete the comment, replace it with a note sayng you deleted it and a link to the history where it is. To do this, go to the history, and click the "diff" or "last" button next to the record of the comment you deleted. Simply copy that web address and put it between brackets for a link. That way people will be able to easily find what you deleted without it be in plain sight. Dmcdevit·t 05:48, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Dmcdevit

Why are you editing other people's Talk page comments? Zoe 05:51, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

This was mentioned earlier (now deleted) by Knowledge Seeker. You seem to have inserted spaces in the middle of lines on my talk page as well. And thank you Zoe for catching that. Dmcdevit·t 05:56, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Zoe 06:01, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Whatever it is it seems inadvertant. Why don't you just check after every time you leave a message? (You just did it again on your last edit.) Dmcdevit·t 06:07, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Are you talking to me or to Felix. I will tell Felix this, his threats against me are nonsense and nobody will take them seriously, but if he does it again he will be blocked. Zoe 06:19, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

I was talking to Felix and I just saw the message he left on your talk page. Felix, if you want me to keep responding to your messages, and frankly, if you want to be allowed to stay on Misplaced Pages, you must stop being a paranoid, threatening bully. We're trying to work together to make an encyclopedia; this is not the place for libel suits, or accusations. Dmcdevit·t 06:28, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked for 24 hours for repeated Talk page vandalism. If, as you contend, it's inadvertant, then you would have no problem fixing the errors you make prior to clicking the Save page button. Zoe 06:36, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Saw that coming a mile away, and I tried to warn you. When you get back try to behave like a reasonable person and no more threats, or next time it may be a permanent block ,and not a day. Dmcdevit·t 07:01, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

No, we don't issue permanent blocks so hastily. As I somewhat gather, FFB was in the process of deleting recent comments relating to a dispute, with the knowledge of and as a goodfaith gesture with the disputing party. What he has not, though, done was to propperly document his removal with links to the pertinent arrangment, or any edit summary, for that matter, whatsoever (which works against clear communication). He has, additionally, failed on the civility and wikiquette fronts, I find (also toward me, personally, and rather inexplicably). Lastly, he appears to prone to overreact thereby assuming too little goodfaith. Still, I am inclined to unblock if I see willingness toward greater moderation and communicativeness on his part. Felix Frederick Bruyns, note that you still have the ability to edit this talk page while blocked. El_C 07:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the block was more directly a result of the threats. Considering he has a history of legal threats, that's why I say he needs to cool it, (or be blocked again). The talk page stuff is secondary. Dmcdevit·t 07:39, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

El C, I agree about the lack of edit summaries and such, but I believe the reason for this argument and block was that Mr. Bruyns has a tendency to insert carriage returns in other people's comments when he's leaving messages on talk pages (see for the first message I sent him on this (he's since removed the message from his talk page). It looks like Zoe saw him doing it and asked him about it, he didn't respond, but continued to do it, she left him a {{test4}}, and then he exploded. I usually am reluctant to block people but I do think that a short Wikibreak might help Mr. Bruyns calm down. (Disclaimer: Mr. Bruyns already threatened to take me to arbitration after I politely asked him about it when I first noticed it, although he did moderate his comments a few minutes later.) — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:45, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, perhaps I spoke too soon. I'm not sure what to think about that — I've never seen anything like this. El_C 07:55, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

You have got to cool down

Mr. Bruyns, why do you react so strongly to everything? You appear to be extremely sensitive to criticism. Your comment, "As for your accusations that I am a vandal, that not only violates the assume good faith policy, it is libel. I am the wrong man to bully and bluster in this way as you will learn in arbitration. You crossed a line against me on several levels and I will request every possible punitive measure against your libel and threats on the highest level of arbitration" from User talk:Zoe, was highly inappropriate. First of all, cool it with the libel every time someone criticizes you. Secondly, Zoe did not say that you were a vandal, but that you were vandalizing talk page comments. I believe you that you do not intend this, but as I pointed out before, you are somehow altering other people's comments by inserting line breaks in them. Since not only do you put the break in, but you also don't fix it, someone else has to then go back and repair the damage you've done (e.g., , , ). Whether you intended it or not, it is a form of vandalism. The appropriate response to Zoe would have been to apologize and explain that you are not sure what you are doing to make these changes, and could she help you figure out what you are doing wrong? And why do you always threaten to take people to arbitration? If you actually tried to take Zoe or me to arbitration as you threatened each of us, I can guarantee you that not even one arbitrator would accept the case. This is clearly obvious to everyone else and your repeated blustering only serves to irritate other users. It is remarkable that in the short time you've been here you've managed to pick a fight with so many users. This isn't kindergarten. People will sometimes criticize you if they see something you could be doing differently. And sometimes people are mean, even if they shouldn't be. You have to get your temper under control and develop a thicker skin if you want to continue to edit here. Or else just go to arbitration and see what happens instead of threatening everyone with it. Look, I really would like to help you become a productive and happy editor. I hope you think about what I've said about tempers. If you find Misplaced Pages is making you angry, take a break. Don't write while you're angry. And don't threaten others. Discuss your conflicts politely with others. Talk is key. Talk to people and sort out your differences. This block is probably a good thing; it will enable you to get away from Misplaced Pages for awhile and gain some perspective. Leave a message on my talk page when you're back. Oh, and incidentally, you don't have to start a new section each time you leave someeone a message. You can just click the "edit" by the section title and add your new comment there as well. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:14, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

You Know I'm Innocent, But You'll Say I'm Guilty

First of all, my initial response to Zoe WAS polite. I actually went to Dmcdevit, explained that not only were my strange edits accidental, they weren't even the result of mistakes on my part. As Moriori realized, my computer is malfunctioning in some way and I planned to consult an expert on the matter tommororow (or technically today, by US Pacific Time). I told Dmcdevit that he should go to Moriori's talk page for a full explanation and that he should pass the word to Zoe. But then Zoe issued a pompous and completely false accusation of vandalism, complete with a threat to block me. As for my not responding to Zoe, I told Dmcdevit to contact her but he didn't. I had already received so many complaints about the extra spaces (which only Moriori had the technical understanding to realize were caused by computer problems)that I was weary of answering each one personally. When Zoe issued the "stop hand" warning, though, I was very angry and said that I would go to arbitration if she continued bulllying me. NOTE: THERE IS NO POLICY AGAINST "THREATENING" ARBITRATION. I made no physical or legal threats of any kind, period. I also never vandalized anyone. Vandalism has to be intentional or at the very least caused by a person, but this "vandalism" is caused by a technical problem with my computer. Also, Dmcdevit made personal attacks on me on this very page before I said anything negative about him. As for Knowledge Seeker, he obviously holds a grudge a lot worse than I do. I mistakenly sent him an angry message because I thought that he had deleted some of my messages to others, but I realized I was wrong and changed the message four minutes later and apologized. Knowledge Seeker, like a number of other people, is taking advantage of a person who's unpopular and easy to attack. Then there are the "spamming" accusations. Here is an absurd paradox. To request an unblock one must either send an e-mail to the sysop responsible (and I don't have an e-mail address) or send a message to the administrative noticeboard. But to send a message to the noticeboard I had to "edit" it, and that is precisely what I am blocked from doing. Therefore I temporarily set up some other accounts merely to try to request help. Zoe even went so far as to delete my user page at one point (she was tracking me most of the time). That is how I got accused of "spamming", for which Zoe wanted to block me for a YEAR. As for my "threats", those were only threats of arbitration, which in retrospect were completely justified. Why? Consider what Zoe has done. First she sends me a warning, without even considering that my edits might not be deliberate. Meanwhile, I thought that Dmcdevit had already cleared up the situation. Then, without looking at any of the reasons behind the editing problems, she outright accuses me of vandalism. When I responded by saying that I would take her to arbitration for such a false charge, she blocked me. Then when I return under a different name she (at least temporarily) blocks me for a year. So what's her angle in this? She wrote that one of the reasons for her penalties against me was that she was feeling "irritable". Maybe I have sometimes let my emotions get the better of me, but as a sysop she simply should know better than to abuse her power that way. As for Knowledge Seeker, Dmcdevit, and many others, you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves. You're simply kicking a man when he's down because its popular to attack him. It seems that very few of you care about the truth (I just told it, but of course hoards of people will deny it). Zoe has severely misused her power as a sysop and I am simply tired of the elitism and abuse that I continue encountering. Zoe did libel me, but I didn't make any "threats", not even legal ones. Zoe, by her own admission, used her position as a sysop to take out her aggressions on me. But will anyone agree with me? Of course not, because I'm the naive new guy the schoolyard bullies like to pick on. I've got a proposition. You delete all of my articles (the Negro League ones have a "known statistics" listing at the bottom), remove every reference to my ever having been at this website, and I'll leave for good. Otherwise, I'm staying put. You all know very well that my computer caused the editing problems, that I didn't make legal threats and that the "spamming" charge is simply ridiculous. But you'll all lie to yourselves so you can justify putting the new guy through the ringer. Frankly, with perhaps two exceptions, every one of you is a hypocritical self-seeker. Sometimes the truth is expressed in anger, and sometimes the truth hurts and obviously what Misplaced Pages hates the most is an honest man. 207.200.116.5 10:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)