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Proposal: Move main page to Misplaced Pages namespace

Copied from Misplaced Pages Talk:Village pump (technical):

I would like to propose that we move the Main Page to Misplaced Pages:Main Page. This would offer a number of benefits, including:

• Causing the top-left tab to read "project page" instead of "article"
• Making it easier to make a mass-copy of Misplaced Pages's articles without picking up project-specific pages like the main page

There would of course be a redirect from Main Page to Misplaced Pages:Main Page, and we could even hide the "redirected from Main Page" notice using CSS, making the transition virtually seamless. The German Misplaced Pages has actually already moved their main page to the Misplaced Pages namespace and it is working great for them. —Remember the dot 05:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I find illogical that the Main Page be in the article namespace, too, but wouldn't this proposal belong to Talk:Main Page? --A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! !  09:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

--A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! !  09:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page is at the Main Page namespace. --Howard the Duck 09:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Been propopsed many times the answer is no.Geni 11:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I see no harm in discussing it again. I've been hanging around this talk page for a long time, and, personally, I've never really seen a great argument either way. J Milburn (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused why Misplaced Pages: would be proposed. Main page is a Portal:, the main one.. but a Portal: none the less. It's no big deal at the moment, but it could help bring some more attention to the many other useful portals. ... There is, however, talk of no-indexing the Misplaced Pages: namespace (to keep all the weird sausage making going on there from inappropriately showing up in google searches), if that happens we really wouldn't want the main page in that namespace. --Gmaxwell (talk) 16:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Argument Summary

Here's a summary of one of the "for" arguments from last time:

• If someone writes a book/movie/play/etc called Main Page, will we have to put a disambig? People are already confused that they cannot get to Homepage by typing in Main Page, we should start the transition now so we can avoid namespace conflicts in the future.

Against (I'm biased, someone else want to write a better one?):

• It will cause everyone to have to update their bookmarks. ffm 17:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it won't, since a redirect from Main Page to Misplaced Pages:Main Page can be created. --A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! !  19:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

But...if its just going to be a redirect anyway, won't that pretty much defy the whole point of moving it?--Fyre2387 20:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

A soft redirect could be created alerting users to update their bookmarks during a transition period. Lympathy 15:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

• It isn't broke and doens't need fixing. ffm 17:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Better point... :-) (See also Why is Main Page in the main namespace?.) --A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! !  19:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page is on its on mainspace. As for Talk:Main Page... --Howard the Duck 03:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

In the German WP is was moved several days ago. --213.155.231.26 (talk) 13:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Guadalete.

Why must we make a link from the main page to an article that is not even half finished? This article is in serious need of help; but enough about the article - my point here is that we shouldn't make links to articles that are so poorly written.Tourskin (talk) 05:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

This must've somehow got thru' by mistake. Try WP:ERRORS if you want to remove such a link. --74.13.129.166 (talk) 06:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

See a related discussion archived at Talk:Main Page/Archive 125#Main Page links to articles. There seems to consensus that only the bolded links should not be stubs, tagged for cleanup, etc. The other links are given for more clarification and explanation, regardless if they have cleanup tags, like the Battle of Guadalete article which is not currently bolded. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

ITN guidelines currently don't even go that far, only recommending strongly against emboldening links to articles with yellow or red level tags. It may be worth noting that Conservatorship, the link to which prompted the previous complaint and discussion, was updated in response to being on the Main Page and now includes a brief description of how it relates to corporations. - BanyanTree 05:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Whilst the issue raised is similar to the one raised at ITN, it has nothing to do with ITN guidelines themselves. A Today's anniversary article will usually have more time to be made up to scratch, where else most ITN articles aren't much better than "Start" level and so can and must get away with poorer quality. Tourskin (talk) 06:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

...especially with the many historical events and milestones related to core biographies, most referenced topics, vital articles, and other core topics. As such, these types of articles should be relatively complete, while the average ITN featured article is usually only hours old. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Extra space below "Other areas" section

There is currently approximately 3 pixels of whitespace below the "Other areas of Misplaced Pages" section that is being caused by an empty table created by Template:WikipediaOther. This is the HTML being generated:

<table align="center" width="100%" style="background:none;">
<tr>
<td></td>
</tr>
</table>

Obviously it does nothing. User:David Levy believes that this whitespace should be there, apparently for aesthetic reasons; however, I see no reason for this. I am proposing that it be removed. --- RockMFR 06:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Why do you believe that there should be less space (by my count, seven fewer pixels in Firefox 3) between the Other areas of Misplaced Pages section and the Misplaced Pages's sister projects section than there is between the Misplaced Pages's sister projects section and the Misplaced Pages languages section? —David Levy 06:40/07:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Instead of debating about minor tweaks of a few pixels of whitespace, why not put your time and energy in Misplaced Pages:2008 main page redesign proposal? --199.71.174.100 (talk) 08:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Because that "proposal" is the most chaotic free-for-all I've seen outside of a Misplaced Pages Drama of the Week pile-on, which will as a result probably take months to come up with a subset of ideas over which a manageable discussion can take place, and has a significant chance of resulting in no change at all? Just saying... - BanyanTree 02:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Reducing "3 pixels of whitespace" would be a significant change!!! --199.71.174.100 (talk) 15:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It depends on what you call "significant". 137.164.79.11 (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Most visited articles

I remember there being a little link in Special:Statistics (this edit removed it) that brought users to a page that showed the most viewed articles for each month, though it was taken down because it stopped working. Will that ever come back again??--Newcloud1 (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The village pump would be the best place to ask this, though I can point you towards this page which does just the same thing. That site also has a great tool for checking how many times any page has been viewed. J Milburn (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yay women

This is the first time I've seen two pictures of women on the main page. It's usually a bunch of dudes. It shocked me. Way to go. — jwillbur 01:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. At least we had one shining six hour period of glory. - BanyanTree 06:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? There's a couple of birds on the main page right now. Lampman (talk) 05:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's purely sad when the "women" on the main page are "known" for being on pay-per-view.--66.245.217.171 (talk) 09:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

We had a couple of feminists who decided on their own to remove it, without consulting others. I reverted both times, as it was discussed on the Template Talk page and there were no objections there. It'll be gone in a hour or two, anyways.--Bedford 09:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Olympics on ITN

A proposal to add a link from Template:In the news to an Olympics highlights page for the course of the 2008 Summer Olympics is currently up at Template talk:In the news. The highlights page will presumably be 2008 Summer Olympics highlights, which follows the format of similar pages from previous Olympics. Comments, and editors interested in maintaining such a highlights page, are welcome. - BanyanTree 09:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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