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This article describes some people and organizations as far right, when there own articles only describe them as right wing. I think a distinction must be made between the two. Ostap 05:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Alleged Far right groups in Poland

This is laughable. An encyclopedia with alleged article? How about creating an article on alleged Jewish thieves? Unless it is changed, I will delete this section. Tymek (talk) 00:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I was the one who added "alleged". It used to be just "far right groups in Poland", but I'm not sure all of these groups are really far right and not just right wing. This article seems a bit WP:ORish. Ostap 00:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Far-right individuals in Poland list has to have very solid and reliable referencing or else it could be a violation of WP:BLP. Ostap 00:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it has to be solid. Some editors here obviously have axes to grind and this is seen in the article. Tymek (talk) 01:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

"ORish"? We cite proper sources grouping the organizations listed under "far right". The burden would now lie on you to provide equally good sources disputing this. --dab (𒁳) 09:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Only one of the individuals has a source. Where is the source for, say, Jerzy Kropiwnicki? Ostap 03:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Kropiwnicki far right? Konfederacja Polski Niepodleglej far right? Do you guys really know what you are writing about? Another example of Misplaced Pages article that is turning into a laughing stock. Tymek (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

KPN far right? Oh yes indeed. .. Laughing stock? Sure thing. RKN (Antoni Macierewicz)-Kropiwnicki-National Rebirth of Poland alliance is kinda laughing stokish " Interestingly, the notorious antisemitism of the NOP did not prevent Jerzy Kropiwnicki, who was subsequently elected mayor of Lodz, from forming a coalition with this party".M0RD00R (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am glad you are amused. If you want to help, you can place {{fact}} or {{dubious}} tags next to items you find dubious. --dab (𒁳) 15:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am glad we are both glad. Unless proper references are found, please do not add names and organizations according to your likes and dislikes. Tymek (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

the organizations are all properly referenced. This is about the individuals. I listed those whose own article connects them with the Polish far right movement. I am completely ignorant of the topic myself, I am just using sources. If you object to KPN being listed as far right, complain to Liang, not to me. Or better yet, add sources that contradict Liang (2007). --dab (𒁳) 16:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Who is Liang and what are his credentials? Anyway, blind belief in sources ends up in weird articles like this. ZChN does not exist any more, a scholar (?) like Liang should know it, since you treat him as the undisputed source of knowledge. KPN never was extreme right-wing, in the communist times it was predecessor of the Solidarity movement. KPN does not exist any more, it was disbanded in 2003. Perhaps our scholar Liang means KPN-Ojczyzna, a marginal, unknown party with perhaps 20 members. Samoobrona extreme right-wing? A populist-socialist party with strong connections to the communist secret services? Well, I do not really care, create these articles of yours, and do not be surprised if somebody laughs at you. BTW did our source of knowledge mention Leszek Bubel? Tymek (talk) 18:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)