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User:Cream/scrolling

Thank-you so much Ryan. I hope it doesn't sound wierd, but being able to do this and reach people he knew kinda makes me feel close to him. And I know he'd want me to try and do this. He lived so far away from us and now he's gone forever. Did I do this right? Jeffssister (talk) 16:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)jeffssister

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User:Folksong

Re this edit:

Don't make up nonsense, Sheriff, it doesn't make you look good.

Your rewriting of the rules -- and reality, such as your nonsense about "baiting" -- out of spite is hereby noted. Try a little reading first before automatically assuming bad faith. Hint 1: read the deletion log for User talk:Folksong. Hint 2: Read User:Folksong. Not too difficult, really, so I'm sure you can do it. --Calton | Talk 19:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, it's pretty clear that the whole "chronology" thing has escaped you. Pay closer attention. --Calton | Talk 20:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and look, the policy-violating nonsense that is User:Folksong has been restored by 76.208.191.18 (talk · contribs), maker of quality edits such as

Ya know what, you just don't get it Calton

I get it perfectly fine:

1) You've mistaken your admin buttons for a tin sheriff's deputy badge, and use it as an excuse to throw your weight around.

2) You're thin-skinned, and react violently when your self-proclaimed authority is challenged.

3) You're unable, unwilling, and/or too lazy to bother actually justifying your expressions of power in relation to actual policy, guidelines, practice, project goals, or even common sense, falling back automatically to pounding the table with "I AM THE LAW!" and "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!".

4) You haven't the slightest compunction about using your admin button for pettiness and vindictiveness, even if you have to bend or break actual policy, guidelines, practice, project goals, or even common sense, as most recently evidenced by your sucking up to someone who posted actual threats of violence.

I'd say I get it just fine. I'd say a little exercise of common sense on your part would do you good. --Calton | Talk 20:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Page Protection

Can you comment and respond to my questions on you protecting Seth MacFarlene Ctjf83Talk 04:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering why you didn't just block Randomface123 when he was the antagonizer, by deleting sourced and adding unsourced info. Ctjf83Talk 22:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Because he's a new user and doesn't know how we work here. Education is better than blocks for users who are here to improve the encyclopedia. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but did you delete the edits made by User:Randomface123 to his/her own user page as vandalism? Ctjf83Talk 01:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you can't see the deleted revisions, but the vandalism was from Catcom.fox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). It was nothing to do with Randomface. Ryan Postlethwaite 01:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I don't know why we can't see deleted edits...it would have avoided this convo! Ctjf83Talk 01:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, only admins can see them ;-) Ryan Postlethwaite 01:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Boston/HoS

Yes, I recreated HoS -- good practice, correct? (I'm guessing you're fixing the history on my talk page or whatever and that's why it just became a red link?) - BOSTON (talk) 22:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah - we've had problems over the past few days with a vandal creating accounts that have been renamed, so I was just checking it was you. I fixed the talk page move problem - it's beeter doing it properly than a cut and paste. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Very good. Thanks for your assistance with the change. My old user name -- although it has a pedigree dating back to 1995 -- might create the wrong first impression here. - BOSTON (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

RfB

Hi mate. I've no problem with you opposing me, especially as I know you'll have no problem with me responding on a few things, lol.

I see from the tools that I have 58 edits to WT:RFA, but I'm a perennial reader of it; I just rarely feel that I have much to add to the discussions, as I'm as baffled as anyone as to how we can improve RfA and I dislike making edits for the sake of blowing my own trumpet. Yeah, I don't have a lot of recent experience with usernames, but I think I've a good record of determining policy and applying it appropriately.

All of that is fine and dandy and you say tomato and I say potato, but I'm puzzled and somewhat dismayed by your comment about me putting the hard graft in. I don't understand why you would say that. I put in a lot of time in admin work, why would I not do the same with Crat work? I've already said in my answers that I'd prioritise it. --Dweller (talk) 15:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the major thing we need to deal with is the latter part. There's a couple of points I want to make about it - You're one of the best article writers we have, and you love doing it - I don't want any of your crat duties to disturb the article writing. If you look at the work TRM has done in crat areas since passing, it's not great - it's far below the level I would expect of a new crat, especially when there's been times that CHU has been extremely backlogged. We have to be picky on RfB's, and if you were to pass, we most probably wouldn't get another new one for some time - I really need to be sure that a candidate will concentrate a lot of his time in the role. Sorry mate, I think you've got more important and enjoyable things to be doing in other areas and I don't think you'd put your heart and soul into it (I fear a similar situation to TRM).

My main concern isn't about your policy knowledge of usernames, it's about your interest level in them - unless they interest you, you won't stay at WP:CHU because it's a very repetitive task so I want a good amount of experience in other areas such as UAA and WT:U. I just don't see it in your contributions and I think if you passed, in a months time you'd pop over to WP:CHU once a week to do a rename where we need people far more active than that. It's nothing personal - I like you a hell of lot and I'd support you joining MedCom or ArbCom without hesitation, just not this. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Mate, I find CSD boring as hell, but as an admin, feel it's my duty to help with the backlogs, so I dig in and it interferes not a jot with my article writing. And there you just see the deletions, not the homework I'll do before using my tools, or the often extensive manual rationales and comments I always leave for incorrect taggers and frequently leave for frustrated newbies (as oppposed to vandals). I would not be at RfB if I hadn't thought this through carefully and I do have both the time and will to get my hands dirty. --Dweller (talk) 15:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

btw I hate 'oppose-harassing' with a passion, so I hope you don't feel I've gone over the top with this. I 100% respect your oppose and don't have a gripe about it. If you'd not mentioned the hard graft thing I wouldn't have bothered you, but I felt this needed a response. I'll draw a line here. --Dweller (talk) 15:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ryan, I've sent you an email about my lack of effort. Of course I'm disappointed to discover how you feel about my contributions as a 'crat, especially as a sidenote to an oppose, but please don't group Dweller in with me. Sure I may have bitten off more than I chew in wiki-responsibility terms, but surely any positive contribution is a good one? Anyway, disappointed for Dweller much more than for me, that you doubt his commitment. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It would have been nice for to have discussed this with me before using it as an example as why to not support Dweller. At least I'm still considered an "active 'crat", one of only 12. Anyway, as D said, this isn't intended to be oppose harassment. I'm gutted to discover an undercurrent of uncertainty about my abilities but I'll draw my line here too. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Moni3

Hey Ryan. Long time since I last ran into you. I very very rarely do this but still, I wanted to drop a note about Moni3's RfA. I don't want to badger you on the RfA page itself (though I guess I sort of did in my support note) but really this is one candidate for which your oppose makes no sense. Yes, it is easier to have AIV and CSD reports and XfD participations to evaluate a candidate. But it's not so much the experience itself that's important. Most of the time, these are just very convenient because you can tell from them that a user is clueless. The real important qualities of a candidate are really level-headedness, patience, intelligence, ability to communicate, understanding of the project. If you can survive the gauntlet of FAC with such regularity, you undeniably possess all these qualities and then some. Can you honestly say that giving her the bit is going to be a negative? She might make a few mistakes but she's got friends all around, she'll ask and adjust if need be. I feel like this is DrKiernan's RfA all over again (by far the RfA I fought the hardest for). Same sort of candidate, same sort of qualities. Can't say we've had much complaints about him... Anyhoo, sorry for the rant. Cheers! Pascal.Tesson (talk) 02:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Pascal - long time no see as they say. I actually had a quiet look at your contribs a couple of weeks back to see where you were hanging out these days! I'm going to have to disagree with you on Moni. She's a great girl, but I really really want to see some experience in admin areas. Just a little would be fine, but Moni hasn't got any. FAC is all good and well, and her article contributions are great, but there's nothing in her contributions that indicate she'd make a fine admin. After she added some answers to optional questions, I changed to strong oppose and my rational here is really quite important. Her answers show she doesn't understand WP:BLOCK or WP:CSD too well at all - I think that at a minimum, and admin candidate should know the CSD criteria and know when to block, or the difference between a block and a ban. I feel quite strongly about this, so you're not going to change my mind - it's just two different wiki-philosphies and I think it's best to just agree to disagree. Anyway, I hope you're well in real life. Best regards, Ryan Postlethwaite 02:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not as active as I was. Still do a bit of deleting now and then and I do gnome work on an alternate account but I haven't done serious article building in a while and I've removed a lot of project-space pages off my watchlist. But I see you haven't! All the best, Pascal.Tesson (talk) 02:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK update

Hi Ryan, are you online? I know your not really one of the "regulars", but I've finished setting up the next update, and I believe it is ready to be updated, but I can't have access to T:DYK since I'm not an administrator. If your online, can you take care of the update please? But before you do that, the balance is slightly loose as the "On this day" section has more white space. Could you help fix that? Thanks, and I hope your online, RyRy (talk) 02:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry RyRy, I just went to bed when you pinged me - maybe next time though :-) Ryan Postlethwaite 14:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Betacommand - community restrictions

Hi Ryan, I'm wondering why when you closed this discussion with the consensus to place restrictions on Beta, I can't find a matching entry in the editing restrictions page. This concerns me because ArbCom declined the Beta 3 case since "the community is dealing with it" and there have now been (at least) 2 blocks of Beta citing the Beta 2 remedies rather than the community decision. If community consensus is to form a solid alternative (prequel?) to ArbCom, shouldn't we be forming a solid basis for admins to base their blocks? I've asked Daniel about this too - here. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 10:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey Franamax. To be honest, Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions is a little out of date because admins often forget to update it when restrictions are placed on an editor - this is what happened in this case, and when reviewing the concensus and deciding there was support to ban bot edits, I forgot to add betacommand into the editing restrictions page. Here is the comment where I notified Betacommand of the editing restriction - please feel free to add it to Misplaced Pages:Editing resrtrictions. Ryan Postlethwaite 14:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ryan. Check ani about this, if you haven't seen it already. Synergy 15:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

He he... We do agree on some things. :-) Pascal.Tesson (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI

I'm saving this diff. I have no idea what it is at this point, but I'm saving it. Just an FYI. Keeper ǀ 76 21:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, well, I've emailed Evula about it anyway - it was my screw up. I'll happily offer my apologies to him in public if he wants me to, but I've offered sincerest apologies to him in an email. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You know right well that I don't do IRC, or email. If you owe EVula an apology, I have no idea about it. I won't be bothered whether you do or not. I simply said I'm saving the diff. Lately, and please take this the right way, I've found myself differing from you in several arenas, which is a total surprise to me. That doesn't mean you are evil-incarnate, I would never say that. But to post something, anything, on wiki, that says "I'm watching you offline", gets my hair to stand up. Keeper ǀ 76 22:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Woah, it wasn't anything like that! I had logs sent to me of a group of admins completely slating me, my pictures on facebook and my name in their little channel. I misinterpreted someones name as Evula, and that made me upset because I've always got on with him extremely well, and I couldn't believe he said some of the things he was saying, especially as he's a bureaucrat. As it turns out, it was another administrator who said that - I'm still upset about it, because there were some really harsh things said about me personally, but less so because it didn't come from someone I respected as much as Evula. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I can do nothing here but believe you. This should all go to the dustbin, IMO. Keeper ǀ 76 22:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Odd coincidence. When you told me that during my RFB you had "heard a few concerns off other people that said you wouldn't be active", I would have appreciated some honest, upfront discussion rather than leaving it to go septic. You heard harsh things about you personally? Snap. Perhaps IRC is the root of all evil/truth? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Who is that to, TRM? Keeper ǀ 76 22:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The thing about you is that the concerns also said that you're a fantastic guy, great article writer and nice guy - a couple of people mentioned that you might not be that active, that's all - nobody said anything harsh about you, and I certainly can't fault you as a crat, apart from the fact that it would be nice to have you a little more active - the thing is, you haven't done anything wrong with what you've done. I'm not very good with words and my oppose against Dweller came out wrong - I didn't want to make you sound like a bad crat, you haven't been one at all. God, when the crats get paid for what they do, I guess I can start complaining about their activity levels. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess that's it. I'm doing my best to make the encyclopedia better from a number of perspectives. While an admin and a crat (and a lapsed featured list director, as of a couple of days ago) all I've ever tried to do is improve Misplaced Pages. Opposing someone like Dweller from becoming a 'crat is incredible (in my opinion) as all he does is what I've done but more. He's more mature, stable and considerate than I can ever be. I'll be disappearing for some time and it'd be great if he could just step in and (inevitably) do a better job than I've done as a 'crat. You seem to have missed my most critical point - if I wasn't doing the job then I would have appreciated a personal note. To bring it out as an aside in an oppose to someone else's RFB was really demoralising. Needless to say it's made me consider my position here. All I ask is that you consider Dweller entirely independently of me and take into account that being a 'crat is like being a referee - if you do a good job, no-one notices. As soon as you fuck up, they're all on you like a rash. In over two years, he's been a gem. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

See his RfB. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Seen it. Ryan, do me a favour. Next time you think I'm not pulling my weight, tell me. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ryan, I'm thoroughly convinced, based on your edits here, in response to me, to TRM, and elsewhere, that you are, in fact, in 17 year old immature la-la-land. I really want to be wrong, and I'll apologize if proven differently. Keeper ǀ 76 22:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Crossin/Chet/Symonds on AN

Ryan, not sure if you've seen Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Steve Crossin, Chet B Long, PeterSymonds, and inappropriate account sharing yet, but you may wish to comment. GlassCobra 22:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)