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:::::As I construe ]'s comments, it becomes plain that any merge which is inconsistent with ] would <u>not</u> be uncontroversial. --] (]) 15:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::As I construe ]'s comments, it becomes plain that any merge which is inconsistent with ] would <u>not</u> be uncontroversial. --] (]) 15:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Whatever the title would be, this newest article should be merged into the oldest one to save its history. Naming is next step after merge.--] (]) 16:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hello, Tenmei, thank you for the contributions to the article in question. Unfortunately, it turns out that Misplaced Pages has three articles on the same subject, Joseon tongsinsa, and yours are the newest one, so your contents should be merged into Joseon Tongsinsa along with Joseon tongsinsa. The title can be changeable if Joseon Tongsinsa is only local name for Korea, but well we need a talk on this. Thanks. --Caspian blue (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Although I've had something like this article in the back of my mind for over a year, the impetus for pulling it together just now comes from work done by LordAmeth, who conceived of it as a necessary corollary for Ryukyuan missions to Edo. That article has been created quite recently. It was, in fact, the red font link in "See also" at the bottom of that Ryukuyan article which led me to develop Korean missions to Edo as a stub.
Thanks for letting me know about the unwelcome duplication.
Of course the three articles need to be merged into one. I don't know how to go about merging articles ... but this would be my approach to our problem -- perhaps not the way someone else would proceed, but this is what I'd do:
3. Then I would copy any non-redundant information from Joseon tongsinsa into appropriate parts of the "enhanced" Joseon Tongsinsa.
4. Then I would proposed renaming the article Joseon missions to Japan, which I would then want to expand with such information as we can find about diplomatic missions between the Joseon Dynasty and Japan prior to the establishment of the Tokugawa shogunate at the beginning of the 17th century?
At some point in the future, perhaps you can help me with figuring out how to create an article about pre-Joseon diplomatic exchanges with Japan? Perhaps one already exists? --Tenmei (talk) 23:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Your solution sounds good. If we keep the article at "Joseon Tongsinsa" which may make few people to understand what it is. (for readers or editors who have knowledge of Korean language and history). I found out the duplication by searching with Korean name if there has already the same article because the subject is important one for both Korea and Japan relationship. There is no wonder for duplication, although yours are well-referenced and the tidiest among them. I think we can use WP:RM because I don't think the merge is controversial, so admins could peacefully merge all history of the three articles. After merging, we can move the article to the desired one. As for the last question, hmm.. local name is always important to prevent such things. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
After examining Joseon tongsinsa, I don't know what to do with it. Without any cited references, there is no way to guess whether some or all or none of it is verifiable. I note that the article was created by an effectively anonymous editor who only contributed to Misplaced Pages in April 2008. Since that time, no further work has mitigated the problems of that initial draft.
Without more, I would be inclined to mark that less-than-a-stub article for speedy deletion. Perhaps in future, some other editor will help expand Misplaced Pages's coverage of this subject in a way which is consistent with Misplaced Pages:Verifiability; but that hope doesn't help us figure out how to handle this any differently now. --Tenmei (talk) 07:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Alright. It sounds like Tenmei has a solid plan for working this all out; I leave things in his capable hands. Whatever title we come up with, whether it be "Korean missions to Edo", "Joseon missions to Japan" or whatever, it's fine with me. I have not the energy or patience to argue over nitpicky naming things. I will, however, vote against a Korean title such as "Joseon tongsinsa" which tells the reader unfamiliar with the Korean language absolutely nothing and is a violation of WP:Use English. Note that I did not title the Ryukyuan one Ryukyu Edo Nobori (琉球江戸上り) because I knew that it wouldn't mean anything to the casual reader. LordAmeth (talk) 12:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Whatever the title would be, this newest article should be merged into the oldest one to save its history. Naming is next step after merge.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
