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:::Good to know someone ends up happy... Back on topic, '''stop the move and revert warring'''. Leave it as is, wait until the NFL season starts, and watch Bengals highlights. A week, ten days tops won't kill anyone. If Phil Simms says "Palmer throws the deep ball to Ocho Cinco", and everyone else follows suit, so be it, move the page to Chad Ocho Cinco. If Phil Simms says "Palmer hooks up with Johnson for the score", then so be it, and leave the article at Chad Johnson. Edit warring gets nobody anywhere, and the end result is a bunch of frustrated people shouting at each other, with little progress made. ] (]) 20:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC) :::Good to know someone ends up happy... Back on topic, '''stop the move and revert warring'''. Leave it as is, wait until the NFL season starts, and watch Bengals highlights. A week, ten days tops won't kill anyone. If Phil Simms says "Palmer throws the deep ball to Ocho Cinco", and everyone else follows suit, so be it, move the page to Chad Ocho Cinco. If Phil Simms says "Palmer hooks up with Johnson for the score", then so be it, and leave the article at Chad Johnson. Edit warring gets nobody anywhere, and the end result is a bunch of frustrated people shouting at each other, with little progress made. ] (]) 20:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::::This whole thing is just hilarious, really. I think Calor hit the nail on the head; just be patient. If they start calling him "Chad Ocho Cinco" on TV, newspapers, etc., then we can move the page. Seriously, this much wikidrama or whatever it is is just unnecessary. Just be patient and time will tell what this article will be called; all we can do is wait.   '''] ]''' 20:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC) ::::This whole thing is just hilarious, really. I think Calor hit the nail on the head; just be patient. If they start calling him "Chad Ocho Cinco" on TV, newspapers, etc., then we can move the page. Seriously, this much wikidrama or whatever it is is just unnecessary. Just be patient and time will tell what this article will be called; all we can do is wait.   '''] ]''' 20:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Compromise ==

Would anyone have a problem with keeping the current arrangement (Johnson in the title, Ocho Cinco in the text) until consensus can be reached? -] (]) 20:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Having title saying A and text saying B is just messy and unencyclopedic. Both the title and the text should read the same name. I would immensely prefer it stays Chad Johnson until we're week or two into the NFL season and we see what Chad is predominantly called by the media, and then fix the article accordingly when consensus backed up with sources is reached. I am, however, perfectly willing to help transition the article to Chad Ocho Cinco if he is indeed called "Chad Ocho Cinco" or "Ocho Cinco" by the majority of journalists and broadcasters, but I would like to see ] calling him Ocho Cinco before we change the article. ] (]) 02:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

My feeling is that the guy is named Ocho Cinco, and whether you think it's dumb, or you think he's an attention whore, that is in fact his name. If you enter "Chad Johnson" in the search bar, it's goiung to direct you here anyway, so what's the big deal?

And another thing: Why is the page titled "Chad Johnson" and yet he is referred to as "Ocho Cinco" all throughout the page? ], 12:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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TRADE TO NEW ENGLAND

I work in the front office with the New England Patriots, I can confirm this information is true add it to Chad's profile.

On March 2, 2008, Rumors were amid that infact the New England Patriots were not instrested in brining back Randy Moss because they were engaged in trade talks with the Cincinnati Bengals about a trade for Chad Ocho Cinco. The early reports from the AP say the Pats will give up a 2nd and 3rd round pick from this upcoming draft and a 2nd round pick in 09' to aquire the disgruntled Johnson.

When you can provide a reliable source then you can add it. RC-0722 /kills 00:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
If you were in the Pats' front office and reported it here before it was official you'd be fired and the team would face tampering charges. Come on man! I know my comments are 5 months late, but it seemed too funny to pass on. --FourteenClowns (talk) 04:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Celebrations

Since there's a section devoted to the riverdance jig thing why not expand it to include all of his more famous celebrations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvde (talkcontribs)

One thing for certain is that it is unreadable.

Coach Lewis' List

I don't think this should be featured in the beginning of the article as a summary of the person. Maybe lower in the article. Perry 22:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Justification for purging

Need I justify my actions? ;) The article was tagged for Clean Up for its grotesque presentation and unilateral juxtaposition of random facts.  ;) If one feels the facts pertaining to Johnson's flamboyant actions over his career should really belong in the article; consider re-polishing it and re-adding each entry in bullet point format. Personally, Show-Boating part of the article makes the article seem like it's from a fansite - as opposed to a Misplaced Pages Entry.

Oh Yes, the Quotes section of the article should be moved to WikiQuote --ShadowJester07 01:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with moving the quotes to WikiQuote. And I agree that much of the stuff was certainly editable, but I don't think we should delete almost all of what is there until it is in the ideal format of a Misplaced Pages page. Perhaps leave what is there and slowly transmute it to what it should look like and add cite requests where applicable. VegaDark 02:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the trivia section for a reason. It is frowned upon for featured articles to have. While this obviously isn't a featured article, that is the ultimate goal for all articles and it should be removed again and the info should be added to the body of the article as I had originally done. Also, you removed the following without explanation: "Having been named to four consecutive Pro Bowls, Chad is widely considered to be one of the best wide receivers in the NFL." This is not opinion, this is fact. Being named to the most recent Pro Bowl, let alone the last 4, inherently means you are widely considered to be one the best wide receivers in the NFL. VegaDark 21:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Randy Moss was named to five Pro Bowls ;-) I give him Kudos for the biggest disappearing act in NFL history during '05 Season. Nathan Vasher recorded a plethora interceptions, complimented by a stellar defensive performance during his '04 season, because of his teammates' horrific. Pro Bowl appearances are just a matter of popularity and razzle dazzel. However, the fact that he has lead the AFC in Rec. Yards for the past three years is something. While adding the sentence might lead to a whole pandora's box of latter controversy, let's just leave it out until he retires. :-p --ShadowJester07 01:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture

We need to add a picture of chad to the article. DvdBengals 18:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Good Luck finding a fair use image. --ShadowJester07 22:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Relation to Samari Rolle

According to other pages, it's Keyshawn Johnson that is cousin to Samari Rolle, not Chad Johnson. Anyone have verification? TheGoogler 02:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC) Keyshawn and Chad Johnson ARE cousins, and Keyshawn Johnson IS Samari Rolle's cousin. They're all cousins. http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=8 that's official, on the Bengals website. I'm so proud of myself for checking a fact.--DavidFuzznut 12:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC) I noticed it said this was incorrectly stated on the Bengals media guide just now, so here is an article with quotes from both of them that should confirm their relationship http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/sports/102846,5_2_WA19_NFLBRIEFS_S1.article--DavidFuzznut 12:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

On Samari Rolle's page it says they're both Samari's cousins. Quadzilla99 03:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Cousins..

In the game the bengals played against carolina, Keyshawn said that they weren't really cousins. He said that everybody was thinking they were cousins because of their last names, so they just went with it.

Agreed, that would require a firm factual basis to make inclusion in this article, removing until someone gets a source. (and that will be a while).

someone should remove the "chad Johnson is the shit yaaaaaa" from the main part. I don't seem to know how. 139.142.48.152 04:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

They're second cousins I'm pretty sure Keyshawn is Samari Rolle's cousin. Incidentally showing Chad handling a firearm isn't going to help the Bengals image lol. Quadzilla99 20:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

THEY ARE NOT COUSINS!!

His official website in the "personal bio" section says he is cousins with both. We can't get much more of a reliable source than that. VegaDark (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Citing Sources?

Where's the proof that Chad "it is well known that he calls his girlfriend between quarters?" Website? ESPN? Specter01010 03:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It's likely a falsehood. --ShadowJester07 03:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Chad Johnson's NFL.com bio says he was born in LA, not Miami

Not to be picky, but if Chad Johnson's profile on NFL.com is correct, then he was born in Los Angeles, Calif.68.248.40.254 12:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

He wasn't. The NFL page is wrong, he talks a lot about MIA and how he was born and raised there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splintersag (talkcontribs) 03:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Recently, a user moved this page to "Chad Johnson (wide receiver)" because of the article "Chad Johnson (cornerback". However, I think this page should remain at "Chad Johnson", and this is why: the Bengals receiver is by far the MUCH more notable football player - he's a four-time Pro Bowler and arguably one of the best receivers in the game. The cornerback is an undrafted free agent who was on the Vikings but is now a free agent. 99.9% of NFL fans have no idea who he is.

Because of this, I feel it is fine to leave this Chad Johnson as plain old Chad Johnson. Compare it to the aritlce Chicago. There are other uses for the word, such as Chicago (2002 film) but since the Illinois city is the most notable at all, it is located at simply "Chicago". I believe moving this page to "Chad Johnson (wide receiver)" would be like moving Chicago to "Chicago (U.S. city)."►Chris Nelson 03:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I actually was considering this when I made the move. I suppose that since Chad Johsnon, the wide receiver for the Bengals, is the most popular one, doing a page move now would cause a bunch of soft redirects, which I'm sure nobody would want to resolve. Keep it the way it was before I moved it. Ksy92003(talk) 03:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chad Johnson should direct here, he is way more none than the other Chad Johnsons--Yankees10 02:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

trade with dolphins

I heard somewhere that chad might possibly be traded to the dolphins...any truth in this because if it is true then we need to add something about itBLUEballsBOY (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Birth Place

I have a collection of OCHO CINCO cards and im pretty certain his birthplace is not in FloridaBLUEballsBOY (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

His website lists his hometown as Miami, Florida. While that does not necessarily equal birthplace, we have no sources to determine otherwise. If you find one, feel free to cite it and change appropriately. VegaDark (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
NFL.com says Los Angeles. Given the fact that he grew up in Miami, what has likely happened is that he was born in L.A. but his hometown has been described as Miami, and that's gotten mistakenly represented as his birth place.►Chris Nelson 22:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Should his birth place be changed then since, in fact, he was not born in Miami?BLUEballsBOY (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well the problem is, because Miami has been mistakenly passed around as his birthplace, both locations can be "sourced" as his birthplace.►Chris Nelson 16:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I would think it was LA cuz he went to oregon state. RC-0722 /kills 17:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Completely irrelevant... he was still raised in Miami so that means jack.►Chris Nelson 17:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Technically, a "hometown" doesn't have to be where you were born. So he could have been born in LA and moved to miami. Nelson, my other post was relevant. Your just not thinking fourth dimensionally. RC-0722 /kills 17:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Doc Brown.►Chris Nelson 17:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Ocho Cinco rumor

There is a rumor in the sports blogging world that Chad Johnson has taken steps to legally change his last name to Ocho Cinco. Should such rumors pan out, it can be inserted into the article. Until then, it is just speculation that does not meet WP:RS. Keegan 06:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It's been verified now.►Chris Nelson 03:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
What are the criteria for moving the page to Chad Ocho Cinco? Should the fact that it's now his legal name be enough to justify the move, or is he too well-known and established as Chad Johnson to move the page right now? --Savethemooses (talk) 05:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
this rumor is not confirmed. it's still only a rumor, moreoever, he hasn't gotten his name change approved -user:theglobalcowboy —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong. It has been reported, not rumored, but a reliable source that he legally changed his name. It does not need approval from the NFL.►Chris Nelson 06:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I think it should remain Chad Johnson per WP:COMMONNAME. I created the Chad Ocho Cinco redirect. --Endlessdan 12:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC) 14:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
it needs to be govt approved. And ESPN.com and all other mainstream sports outlets are not covering it yet. -user:theglobalcowboy —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
You are wrong sir. In many ways.--208.51.72.2 (talk) 20:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, I saw them talking about it on ESPN's First Take this morning. -- SonicAD (talk) 20:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
It's also being officially reported on bengals.com - Ocho Cinco 2.0. Weters (talk) 06:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I think based on the fact that most people still know him as Chad Johnson and[REDACTED] says to use "most common name of a person". Im pretty sure that most people know him as Chad Johnon and not Chad Ocho Cinco. We should change it back. Joesixpac (talk) 12:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It's time for Ocho Cinco on wiki. I can't believe he actually changed his name! What a guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.221.33 (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Page protection

I requested a page protect. A lot of the IP edits need to be reverted. Ie, the Bengals drafted Ocho Cinco.... This is incorrect, the Bengals draft Chad Johnson. --Endlessdan 12:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The Muhammad Ali page refers to Ali as such multiple times before he changed his name to such. I think that if that is the case there, that referring to Johnson as Ocho Cinco before the name change can be just as ok. Whammies Were Here 20:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
It should be Ocho Cinco throughout the article, as dumb as it sounds when reading it. 20 years from now, he will just be Chad Ocho Cinco, so when his name was changed will be irrelevant to talking about his past. The Ali example is a perfect one. You wouldn't refer to him by one name through part of the article and then by another name through the rest of it. He is Muhammad Ali.►Chris NelsonHolla! 21:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree that this article should refer to Chad as "Ocho Cinco" throughout. However, in external references, the 2001 NFL Draft article, for example, I believe it should still say "Chad Johnson" because at that point in time, he was Chad Johnson. Same goes for the navbox on this page {{2007 Pro Bowl AFC starters}}. — X96lee15 (talk) 23:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
There is no difference between the article and the template. If you had a "Famous people from Lousville" template, would you put Ali or Cassius Clay? You'd put Ali, because now he is Ali and that's how he's known. In 20 years, he will be known as Chad Ocho Cinco.►Chris Nelson 23:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
This is absolutely hilarious that he changed his name. I've been laughing hysterically all night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.175.146 (talk) 01:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't this jumping the gun a little bit? Shouldn't we wait until he's called this more widely by the press? I'm not so sure that I like the idea that we move an article two seconds after it's reported, and before we really know if the wider world will call him this. Magog the Ogre (talk) 02:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It's common sense. The media will run away with this.►Chris Nelson 02:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Respectfully, what one person deems common sense is nothing of the like to someone else. Magog the Ogre (talk) 02:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You could deem something else common sense if you felt like it, but it doesn't change what actually is common sense.►Chris Nelson 03:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been reverting such edits a bit, namely a big one a few minutes ago. it appears I'm in the wrong, although I'd suggest keeping everything at "Chad Johnson" and saying "Chad Johnson" until we're 100% sure everything is official and we're positive it'll stay official, and it's not a "September Fools" type thing. Semi-protect, edit=autoconfirmed, move=sysop? Calor (talk) 03:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Everything prior to the name change should be "Johnson", not "Ocho Cinco". Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar should be that way too. The judge must have been drunk to allow this as well. --FourteenClowns (talk) 04:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

This page is making me laugh so hard. 71.191.135.10 (talk) 05:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

When he changes his name back to Chad Johnson after a month/season/trade to a team where 85 is taken, this talk page and it's assertion that he'll be known exclusivly as "Chad Ocho Cinco" in 20 years will be laughable. Also, comparing this to Muhammed Ali is laughable! It may be his legal name, but come on... it's a joke. -MichiganCharms (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention that this will fail WP:COMMON, as if you'll be hearing Phill Simms break down "Chad Ocho Cinco's" performance against the Browns at some point. -MichiganCharms (talk) 06:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree completely with Michigancharms. Ali is referred to as Ali because that is what he is actually called. Do you think for a second that anyone is seriously going to refer to this guy as Chad Oucho Cinco for a prolonged amount of time. Not to mention, the sudden change makes part of the article laughably(sp?) bad. "On October 25, 2006, in honor of Hispanic Heritage Month, Ocho Cinco announced he would prefer to be called, "Ocho-Cinco" ("8-5" in Spanish)." SirChuckB (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I think both of you are wrong. To stop editing the article based on the likelihood that he will change his name back later sounds to me like a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Fishyfred (talk) 06:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
That's not the assumption. First of all, it fails WP:COMMONNAMES as well as WP:COMMON to constantly refer to him as "Chad Ocho Cinco" as though that name were serious. We don't have to be slaves to verifable facts, use logic and reason. Things like this are why people think this project is a joke. -MichiganCharms (talk) 06:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It's his damn LEGAL name. It doesn't matter if it's a joke. It doesn't matter if it's the most asinine name you've heard in the entire existence of your being. What matters is that legally, on his bank accounts, on his paycheck, on his legal documents, on his driver's license, it will now say Chad Ocho Cinco. You can call it the dumbest thing to happen in the history of humanity, but it's not the same thing as your examples, because this isn't a nickname that we're trying to pass off as a common-place name used for him. It's his legally recognized name. To not recognize him as such for any reason you ASSUME will happen in the future is not a legitimate reason because of WP:CRYSTAL. The whole world could assume that he'll change it in six months. Doesn't matter. THIS is his legal name. Period. President David Palmer (talk) 06:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I look forward to you bringing the articles on James "Paul" McCartney, Bob Dylan and of course Slash into line. Gotta love WP:COMMONNAME --MichiganCharms (talk) 07:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Bob Dylan's legal name is Bob Dylan. President David Palmer (talk) 07:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Consider Cat Stevens as well... his official name is Yusuf Islam, and it has been for years, but his page is still listed as Cat Stevens. More over, in his article, he is referenced as both Stevens and Islam. Personally, I think this whole name thing is ridiculous and that he should remain Chad Johnson for now... 20 years from now when he MIGHT actually be known as 'Ocho Cinco', the encyclopedia can recognize him as it then. --pl07442

nfl.com hasn't changed it yet. Corvus cornixtalk 06:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The Cat Stevens example is a strong one. CopaceticThought (talk) 08:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I would think though with Cat Stevens being his stage name, and not his real name, I would think that would be taken into account. Whammies Were Here 10:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
To the person that asked above, yes, I guarantee you the commentators will call him Ocho Cinco. They might actually say Johnson at times, but the media will comply with this and call him Ocho Cinco. Cat Stevens is called Cat Stevens because that's how he is known. Chad Ocho Cinco is not the equivalent of Yusuf Islam, it's the equivalent of Cat Stevens.►Chris Nelson 14:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
And not no one is saying the article doesn't read like a joke now. It does. It sounds stupid as hell. But talk to Chad Ocho Cinco about that, not us. Blame him.►Chris Nelson 14:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Unreal. No one should take that guy seriously. Someone smack the judge that allowed him to do it. Take a look at Yusuf Islam. They still use Cat Stevens as the title of the page. I think we should do the same. At least he did it for religious reasons. Chad Johnson is just a media attention whore. I bet ESPN will have half hour specials focusing on the name change. Ridiculous! --FourteenClowns (talk) 15:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Why should the judge be smacked? It's his right to change his name to whatever he wants. We might think it's dumb, and maybe it is, but there's nothing wrong with him being allowed to do it.►Chris Nelson 15:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
We don't have to go along with his absurdity. WP:COMMONNAME gives us an out. Powers 15:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

A minor question--if he changed his name to Chad Ocho Cinco, but without a hyphen between the last two names, shouldn't he be refered to as "Cinco" throughout? --mcglotda —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No, because his full surname is Ocho Cinco. Think of it as... Van Buren.►Chris Nelson 15:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
In the ESPN article referencing the name change, they say he changed his name to "ocho cinco", but continue to use "Johnson" throughout the article when referring to him. I'm curious as to what the box scores will use; I have a feeling he will remain as "Chad Johnson" in print and announcers will make the obligatory "Ocho Cinco name change reference", then continue to call him "CJ". — X96lee15 (talk) 17:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Well obviously they'd still call him Johnson in the article about the name change, as he's just becoming Chad Ocho Cinco. Once people find out about the name change, then he'll be called by his new name. It wouldn't make sense to call him Ocho Cinco in the article about his name change, because the article is the first piece explaining the name change.►Chris Nelson 17:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
And because of that reasoning, I'm inclined to think the article right now should be named "Chad Johnson". — X96lee15 (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
User:TheChad89 made a good point when it moved the article. He pointed out that Chad Johnson no longer exists. That is a key difference between a pen name (like Mark Twin) or a stage name (like Cat Stevens). Chad Johnson is not the name of an NFL football player anymore. Chad Johnson no longer exists. It is not a pen name, stage name, a nickname. It is his former legal name, which has since been replaced.►Chris Nelson 19:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
How can Chad Ocho Cinco be more common than Chad Johnson? Please some show me a policy or guideline to back up moving the article to Chad Ocho Cinco. Per WP:COMMONNAMES, we must use Chad Johnson, because for the first 30 years of his life, he has been Chad Johnson, now he has been Chad Ocho Cinco for a few days and somehow that is more common? Get real people. Get over the hype of the name change, and wait and see if Ocho Cinco catches on and becomes more common. We cant know right now because we havent waited long enough. « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 19:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAMES

Now that the title of the article has been officially changed to Chad Ocho Cinco, I want to start a new section about the naming convention. Referring to WP:COMMONNAMES, I think this was the wrong decision. Specifically, "Misplaced Pages is not a place to advocate a title change in order to reflect recent scholarship. The articles themselves reflect recent scholarship but the titles should represent common usage." Is that not a signal to leave the name as "Chad Johnson" but to replace references in the article to read "Chad Ocho Cinco"? I move that it should stay as Chad Johnson until we've had a week or two of the NFL season to learn whether or not announcers are using the name. Fishyfred (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we should let it go since it's inevitable.►Chris Nelson 17:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Leave at Chad Johnson, we must wait until the media and third-party sources refer to Chad as "Chad 85", making it the more common name of the two. As of now, Chad Johnson is way more "common" than Chad 85. « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 18:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It's Chad Ocho Cinco, not Chad 85.►Chris Nelson 18:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Ummmm, I know that... 85 is easier to type Chris. « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 18:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you wouldn't want to pass out from the exhaustion of typing Ocho Cinco.►Chris Nelson 18:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Oooohh "sarcasm," that works real well over the web Chris... « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 19:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
That response made no sense.►Chris Nelson 19:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Translation: "Sarcasm, when used on the internet, usually does not properly convey what the writer intended, as the receiver of the sarcasm cannot read the body language of the writer, nor can they understand whether the intended affect is a small joke or a snide comment. If one wants to avoid drama and confusion, one should just clearly state what they intend to convey." Why are we even discussing this? « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 19:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
You immediately identified it as sarcasm, therefore there was no confusion. Hence, your comment made zero sense. Why are we discussing it? Because you made an senseless comment and I'm trying to help you. I believe in you.►Chris Nelson 19:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Both of you dilweeds stfu. This is getting annoying...
I think it should be changed to Ocho Cinco. It is his real name now. Chad Johnson doesn't exist anymore. He's Chad Ocho Cinco now, which is actually eight five, not eighty five. HPJoker 19:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks. « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 19:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Please remain civil and refrain from gheying up the talk page. As far as I'm concerned your just a spam nub. I wish I had Pierces powers to lock this section... HPJoker 19:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

If I ever make a personal attack, I'll take that into consideration.►Chris Nelson 19:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

First off, i fail to see how being called a tasty seasoning is a personal attack, but HP, you know you're calling an admin a Gay and a Spam n00b? Shapiros10 My work 19:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Now I do, and do I really care? No. I have a game to watch and this is getting pathetic. You guys use AIM or something and if this has to do with what I left on your talk page, don't put it on Chad's page, put it on my talk page. HPJoker 19:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Chad Johnson is nobody now, not a real name. Just like how former Cardinal Robert Moore is a nobody now because he changed his name to Ahmad Rashad, which Misplaced Pages uses. Johnson is a nickname and nothing more, just like The Rocket is a nickname for Raghib Ismail, but Raghib is the name used on Misplaced Pages. It doesn't matter if you think the name should be one way or another because this is intended to be a non-opinionated website. Furthermore, because his current name will be used on jerseys and other apparel and in sports booths and stat sheets, it will become his better known name. If Johnson had become Muslim and changed his name because of that, it would be changed on Misplaced Pages and this wouldn't even be an issue. The issue is that many people are of the opinion that this is a joke and don't want to support it, even though it's a serious issue because it's been taken to a serious level.TheChad89 (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You keep on saying that this is a non-opinionated website, yet you keep on asserting your opinion without giving evidence to back up your assertion. You also state "it will become his better known name," again that is your opinion. Misplaced Pages needs reliable sources that use Ocho Cinco more than Chad Johnson. We need to wait and see what name becomes more common, we cannot assume or guess or predict what will be more common. All I ask is to wait a little while. Just wait and see, there is no rush, and no matter what you say, as of now, Chad Johnson is still the most common name. « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 19:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I love the way you guys debate this as if it had the least amount of impact on anything meaningful. Seriously, it makes me feel better about my own life. 71.187.217.155 (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Good to know someone ends up happy... Back on topic, stop the move and revert warring. Leave it as is, wait until the NFL season starts, and watch Bengals highlights. A week, ten days tops won't kill anyone. If Phil Simms says "Palmer throws the deep ball to Ocho Cinco", and everyone else follows suit, so be it, move the page to Chad Ocho Cinco. If Phil Simms says "Palmer hooks up with Johnson for the score", then so be it, and leave the article at Chad Johnson. Edit warring gets nobody anywhere, and the end result is a bunch of frustrated people shouting at each other, with little progress made. Calor (talk) 20:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
This whole thing is just hilarious, really. I think Calor hit the nail on the head; just be patient. If they start calling him "Chad Ocho Cinco" on TV, newspapers, etc., then we can move the page. Seriously, this much wikidrama or whatever it is is just unnecessary. Just be patient and time will tell what this article will be called; all we can do is wait.   jj137 (talk) 20:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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