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==Greetings!==
Hi. I've added you to ]. Cheers! ] ] 17:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, I've made a proposal to change the software to prevent mainspace pages from being saved unless they contain a category. I'd appreciate your thoughts! ] ] 23:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

== Hey man, thanks for the barnstar ==

Dude, it was really nice of you to award me that barnstar. I just wish I had more time to do better quality work here on Misplaced Pages, and also add articles to more different subjects (though I did write some heavy metal related articles). --] 01:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

== Gonna get a third opinion. ==

Thx - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 20:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hehe... when you're a 3L, perhaps you will be equally as professional! Anyways, this is a collaborative endeavor, and I am never out to make beef. I can't believe you called one non-hostile revert a "low intensity edit war" in your post to Postdlf... ''Shocking!'' Well, whatever. Have a good one! - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 21:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
::Read the history. Pref and I were fiddling with these things within an hour of its creation on the 20th of August, two months ago. I would not call that an edit war. Edit war, in general, is a dirty term here. Edit wars get you flunked on your RfA more often than not. What we were doing was neither hostile nor repetitive, and once we established a disagreement, each one solicited input from other experienced users. (You chose lawyers, I went with a non-lawyer member of the Mediation Cabal. Neutrals work best. For example, if I am beefing with a buncha Jews over a Judaism-related article, I call in a gentile to adjudicate.) Anyway, what we were doing was not an edit war, and if you were an experienced user, I would have had every right to be pissed over such a sensationalist characterization of my actions - but since you're not, we're cool. Do you go to St. John's then? - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 14:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Not offended, but you did use the term loosely. As for my rep, you didn't harm it, don't worry. RfA is a ]. At 700 edits you are kinda new, even though it's been eleven months. Finally, I was not trying to uncover your identity, God forbid, just making conversation. Curious which law school you go to, if I know you IRL, etc. ''Networking'', as it were. LOL. - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 15:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks. ==

Thanks... we do what we can. --] 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

:Who's this "we" you're talking about? Hmm? --] 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
::You know, "us". --] 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

:::OOOOh, I gotcha now. --] 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Hi ==

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I invite you to join the ] GA for some copyedit (mainly proper articles and punctuation marks), but feel free to edit it anyway. Thanks, --] ] 22:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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== Kevin Federline ==

Greetings Cdog... The reason I pulled the sex tape allegation twice? The first time, it had more to do with the source. Having lived in the U.K. for a stint, I've experienced the reliability of their tabloids. In short, they make the National Enquirer look like the New York Times. It never even passed the smell test; if you were Federline, would you really let that tape out of your hands? One illegal copy, and you're out of a fortune.

Later, the people who chimed in that they were negotiating for the tape all had a vested interest. The porn peddler needs to keep his name in the headlights in order to brag about his ability to pay and distribute, while the online betting parlor was using it as an inducement to lure in new accounts.

The second time I pulled it was because Federline's lawyer stated that it didn't exist.

Last, Ms. Spears (and her representatives) never mentioned they had a sex tape. The source of that rumor was a satire piece, believe it or not. Some idiot reporter (or editor) read the satire piece off the newswires (where it was released), and actually integrated it into a separate story. If you're interested in the genesis, try a Google news search, and you'll see what I mean.

If you're bored with second year law classes (who could blame you), you may want to check these two links out:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i12111
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27269967.shtml

That article was published last week. It was in written in response to both the sex tape rumors, and the fact that Britney was giving away baby pictures in order to prevent Federline from cashing in, as he was entitled to as per the prenuptial agreement.

==US court cases==
Wow do you intend that all the red links in the US court cases have an article eventually? THats amazing. Let me know what your plan is ] 19:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I fully agree with you that wikipedia should be the ultimate giant collection of human knowledge and this means ridding of the traditional encylopedia methods of basic coverage towards more precise and detailed coverage. If wikipedia is to achieve its goal is "providing the sum of all knowledge" it needs to do this and focus in on different areas and topics. I just think it amazing how wikipedia is progressing to cover such details!!!! I wish you luck. Ten years time and we'll see wikipedia only just beginning to recognize its full potential!!
All the best! ] 15:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Remember though that the indiviudal articles should be categorized by year e.g 1984 U.S court cases -I have seen several uncatgorized. ] 21:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes I don't mean the lists although the articles definately should. I would strongly suggest using e.g Category:1983 U.S court cases Category:1984 U.S. court cases etc for individual articles and maybe even for the lists to get some chrono. idea of the cases. This would alos make them more encyclopedic. ] 21:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Great work! ==

The lists that you've been adding of U.S. Supreme Court articles are excellent. I started creating them awhile back, and got through volume 89, but I haven't found the time to continue. Keep up the great work! Cheers. --] 20:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== Bot? ==

Are you running an unauthorized ] to create all of those articles? ] ] 20:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:Wow, great job then. ] ] 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

== Court cases ==

I saw that you finished the lists of SCOTUS cases, great work! However, I had a quick question for you. I saw that you began starting to add succession boxes, what do you think about using ] instead? It's a powerful template that would eliminate the category link at the bottom, and it's designed to work with all pages dynamically. It can be seen implemented ]. Any thoughts? --] 01:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I'm sure you began to notice me editing the pages, but in case you didn't... the {{tl|SCOTUSCases}} automatically adds the specified article to its proper category, so the category listed at the bottom of the page can be deleted. Also, it's a good idea to use three-digit numbers in the template (i.e. 005 instead of 5 or 079 instead of 79) so that the page is listed in the proper place in the category. Cheers. --] 04:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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== Re: Overton Park ==

Not trying to pick a fight -- and you have access to Westlaw now, while I don't. But I can't recall seeing the 'Inc.' used in the cite for that case on most occasions. If I had to surmise, that's prob. because the "Citizens to Preserve" in the name signals that it's a (nonprofit) corporate entity already -- thus rendering the corporate suffix superfluous.

Examples:
* http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_1066/
* http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=401&page=402
* http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=650482

It can be debated whether it's ''literally '' incorrect to use the suffix -- but the version of the cite w/o it seems far more common. —] 04:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you. ==

Thank you for the barnstar, I appreciate it very much. You dutifully finished what I only began and for that, I am very grateful. Keep up the great work. --] 21:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== I'm touched ==

I know I'm not the first to say this, but -- sniff -- I saw the barnstar, and I'm touched. ---] 05:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Nigerian general elections ==

I have to run - my table looks terrible on ] - can I leave it to you ? ]&hellip;] 17:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

: Eek - I see it has hit the front page. ]&hellip;] 17:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Duplicate page ==

Hi Cdogsimmons. I noticed you created a duplicate page for ] at ]. Why did you copy the page instead of simply ]? --] 23:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Cdog ==

Hey how are you? I just graduated from ], and I noticed that you had been adding a bunch of new U.S. Supreme Court case articles. I am currently in the process of adding cases to the appropriate sections of the ]; unfortunately, there are a great many articles which exist on Misplaced Pages which have yet to be added to these lists. Any assistance you could give me in this task would be much appreciated, especially since I am about to begin studying for the ] bar exam very soon. Thanks. --] 07:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== See also links to volumes ==

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::Hey, thanks so much for the compliments and the barnstar..! I've slacked off a bit myself, but plan to add more every week or so...we should have the list completed in no time...then there's all the other years that I haven't had the nerve to look at yet...heh. Thank for the boost! ] <small>]</small> 16:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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== Maintaining civility in waterboarding discussion ==

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And here is my reply, reproduced from my talkpage:

:Cdogsimmons, thank you for your note. Here is the reply I have made at ]:
:<blockquote>Thank you for your remark, Gdogsimmons. It, along with the message you left at my talkpage, raises some procedural concerns. I may decide to take those up separately, elsewhere. Meanwhile, Judgesurreal (who interestingly enough agrees with your position on the article), has more than once accused me of bias. The supposed grounds for that accusation seem to be these: (1) that I regard those who disagree with me as "psychos"; (2) that I ''irrationally'' take it as demonstrable fact that waterboarding (as defined by ''everyone'') is torture (as defined by every disinterested party); and (3) that I say a minority must not be right. Those are the claims he or she made against me, in effect; but all three are ill-founded. As I pointed out, it was uncivil of him or her to accuse me of bias; I suggested a retraction or a justification. But I got neither. Nevertheless, ''I'' now retract what I suppose you have objected to in the post I made before this one (see above). Again I call on Judgesurreal to withdraw the accusation of bias against me, and not to take ''every'' opportunity to counter a fresh comment supporting the article by repeating what... ''some'' may consider to be a militantly biased push on her or his part. Such stridency risks intimidating newcomers to the discussion, and is entirely unproductive. We have heard him or her; let's now encourage others to have a say, rather than browbeating them with blunt repetition.<p>If any of ''that'' is uncivil, I it put to editors here that I have been provoked by serious misrepresentation of the points I have made. Let me know precisely which phrasing you don't like, and again I'll consider striking it. (And then, please treat others the same!)<p>Finally, I have "censored" no one. There has, to my knowledge, been no overt or covert censoring in this discussion. Yet.
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== Heller ==

Hey, thanks for your notification. I'd like to discuss the content dispute on the article talk page. I'm at work right now, but I'll try to get some detailed comments up to start a discussion later tonight. Cheers, --] ] 18:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoops. I see that you were talking about removing discussion comments on the talk page. I don't have strong feelings about that either way-- so if you think they should be there, that's fine and I have no plans to revert you. Still, if you want to understand my rationale, which I assure you was not in bad faith, you can check out the policy pages ]:

:''...talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article, nor are they a helpdesk for obtaining instructions or technical assistance.''

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As I said, it's not a big deal other way, but it may help you understand in the future when you see other people making similar cuts to talk pages. Thanks again for sharing your concerns.

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== Complete list of United States Supreme Court cases ==

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You may like to compare the current state of the article with the criteria for a featured list:

#Prose. It features professional standards of writing. {{notdone}} - virtually no prose at all.
#Lead. It has an engaging lead section that introduces the subject, and defines the scope and inclusion criteria of the list. {{notdone}} - no lead other than the repitition of the title of the list.
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#Stability. It is not the subject of ongoing edit wars and its content does not change significantly from day to day, except in response to the featured list process. {{done}} - can't see major problems here.

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== don't threaten me ==

My edits are not vandalism. It's '''you''' who is breaking the rules. --] (]) 14:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:For anyone else reading this page, we were talking about ].--] (]) 15:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Your removal of links to the List of United States Supreme Court cases ==

Hello. I was going through the Flagged U.S. Supreme Court cases and fixing infoboxes, and while I was correcting the infoboxes, I also made other changes. So, while I didn't just change the infobox, it was the sole reason I was at the page to begin with. I was the under the impression that the WikiProject had decided to not include the links at the bottom, which after re-reading ], apparently isn't accurate. I remember Chaser bringing the issue up, and I could've sworn it was decided not to keep them. My apologies.

Because the infoboxes nearly universally define {{nwt|{{{USVol}}}}}, it would be trivial to add a link in the infobox. Perhaps that's a better option than a "See also" section. Thoughts? --] (]) 17:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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:Guess I missed that one. Sorry. I'll merge them.--] (]) 16:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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== Prisoner's Dilemma ==

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== Proposed move of the list index ==

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For beings sixth man in on the protection-unprotection-reprotection-re-unprotection fight after numerous warnings had been issued to stop and behave. Yes, that. I'd said I would do it, as had Jehochman and MBisanz, and so I did. Man of my word, or something like that. WilyD 17:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

A few places, mostly ], I suppose, and it'd been stable for a while. There was also ongoing discussion at Misplaced Pages:AE#Sarah_Palin which was probably going to full protect until saturday, then try again. m:Wrong Version also applies to edit warring in all its forms. Regardless, I think if I've misstepped in this regard, we'll find out soon enough. WilyD 17:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war

The Sarah Palin wheel war arbitration case, on which you have commented, is now open.

For the Arbitration Committee, Anthøny ✉ 20:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Kelly Palin Deletes

  • I am new to Misplaced Pages and Kelly and a few others delete my article onctributions almost immediately upon creatoin. I noticed you seem to have a similar situation. I created articles for the two Wasilla churches and pastors just like the Reverend Wright and United Trinity Church articles. Kelly just deleted In "September 2008 the church promoted a conference to pray for the conversion of gays to become heterosexual." From the "Wasilla Bible Church" section of the only article it is being allowed to be in for coathanger. The two deleted Palin church and pastor sites were my first and only at Misplaced Pages. I can not get a meaningful response from the deleters except, "you know already". Still no responsse from Kelly. Can you explain why this sentence is a coathanger?
  • I am a mathematician formerly at Stanford for eleven years and to a Lay-Wikipedian like me it seems like there is simple censorship going on, but maybe I don't just understand policy and the difference between coathangers on the United Trinity article and the Wasilla church article. Why is Kelly not attacking the United Trinity Church article? Thnx EricDiesel (talk) 06:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for response. The mathematics articles might as well be "in arabic" because they are very poorly written, in comparison the nest written stuff in textbooks. A well written article should be easy to understand to anyone. I find that the best mathematics texts have picures for everything, so that you can "see" the idea, and do not have to understand the language or think very hard. But a good picture is very hard to do, and there is an aethsthetic that resulted in a boast in an advanced graduate probability textbook written by a prof at Stanford having the "boast" that "there are no pictures in the whole book". This is associated with the idea of "rigor" and "elegance". It is a gray area as to whether using the 'idea' behind a diagram in a text would be an infringement on the original author's copyright.
  • Yes, I have noticed the articles I created and edited on two churches and pastors (all four instantly deleted) are the subject of much activity, most claiming "nn" (see the deletion of article discussion on Wasilla Assembly of God). It makes no sense that so many would be so concerned about a non notable church if it was really non notable (there area hundreds of news stories about the sermons of the churches, and thousands of web pages). I wrote on the two Wasilla churches and the two controversial pastors ( a third pastor, Paul Riley, is in the news more, but is only there for his comments on Palin, so I did not create an article on him). Actualy, i am glad for the delete pressure on my articles, since it is a very good way to learn for me, so many instantly trying to come up with a new rationalle for deleting facts that might or might not flatter Palin.
  • Kelly and a handful of the same editors, for the last four days, 24 hours a day, have been doing instanteneous deletes of lots of info with very little explanation other than a single expression like "coathanger", "nn", or "NPOV". They are very concerned to keep out coathangers, but do not make equivalent deletes on the Rev Wiright's and Untied Trinity church articles. Is it possible "September 2008 the church promoted a conference to pray for the conversion of gays to become heterosexual." is not a coathanger, and Kelly and a few of Kelly's fellow deleters are abusing the coathanger ideas to push a point of view, or am I missing something? Thnx. EricDiesel (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin to Film

I left some stuff on the Film article talk page, since I was explicitly told by the "Palin Deletion Hawks" to stay away from Palin's church sites (even thuogh I am the one who created them), and anything I add to them is instantly deleted, for what seem to be arbitrary reasons. I note you listed Film as a matter of pride. (The "sin of pride" is used well by Vanessa Redgrave in Ken Russel's Devils, based on Huxley's book. I am director of the Thomas Henry and Aldous Huxley Foundation.) EricDiesel (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith reminder

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Wasilla Assembly of God. Thank you. Jclemens (talk) 04:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. I told you on your talk page not to revert the inclusion of sourced information or I would consider it vandalism. You reverted claiming it was WP:COATRACK, again, which clearly did not apply. I did assume good faith, the first time. The second time, after a warning, it's vandalism.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 04:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Really? Where does it say that in WP:VANDAL? I get that you may consider it vandalism, but what I've done isn't. Nor is what you've done, even though I disagree with it as well. WP:AGF is the lubrication that keeps editors with divergent viewpoints working together; while I'm convinved that I'm right and you're not, I have not and will not assert that your edits are in bad faith. Just because we disagree doesn't make either one of us a vandal. Neither one of us is randomly adding profanity to articles. :-) Jclemens (talk) 05:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Your reversion of factual sourced information is under "Sneaky vandalism": "reverting legitimate edits with the intent of hindering the improvement of pages."--Cdogsimmons (talk) 05:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Nothing sneaky about it--I did it, I own up to it, and I told you and the rest of Misplaced Pages exactly my reason for doing so on the article talk page: your addition doesn't belong, I contend. You again called my edits vandalism, which is uncivil. Such misbehavior isn't going to get me riled up or to break WP:3RR--it's just going to make you look bad to others looking in. Jclemens (talk) 05:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
A spade is a spade and vandalism is vandalism. Since I warned you beforehand I don't think I was being at all uncivil. I guess we'll find out when we get a third opinion.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 05:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to seek one at WP:3O. I'd welcome it. Jclemens (talk) 05:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Dude, I did that before you reverted my edit for a third time like ten minutes ago.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 05:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah. I was actually thinking you'd be seeking a 3O on whether my reverts constituted vandalism, since it seems likely that the other dispute will attract people within the next 24 hours. Regardless, we'll see what folks have to say. Cheers! Jclemens (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasilla AoG pray gays to straights, coathanger policy

I created this article as my first Misplaced Pages article. All my contributions are deleted "coathanger". I am trying to understand the concept. If contribution A is a coathanger for some other article B, shuoldn't the contribution deleted from A be put on A? So if "pray gays to straights" is removed as a coathanger for Palin, shouldn't it go on the Palin article if it is deleted? Sorry if my question is stupid, but I am new. EricDiesel (talk) 14:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand of the WP:COAT argument that is being made, that would be correct. Of course Sarah Palin is Fully protected from editing and it will be impossible to enter the information. To me the Coathanger argument is faulty in the first place, it is not an official policy of wikipedia, and I don't think that this information rises to some kind of personal attack on Sarah Palin. It's just accurate sourced information that has to do with someone else, which some editors thinks reflects poorly on Sarah Palin. I took the dispute to WP:3O. If that doesn't resolve the issue, the next step I believe is to ask for WP:ARB. --Cdogsimmons (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Your "Unfortunate use" comment

  • I am new here, and agree with your "unfortunate use" comment.
  • I created Misplaced Pages:Coatrack Deletions in response to your "Unfortunat Use of Coatrack Article" comment. (And I created the back up User:EricDiesel/Coatrack Argument for Deletions to keep it pure),
  • My background is as a retired mathematician (I turned 26 years old) and former political cartoonist (Bush could do himself better than I could, so I quit), as well as in the stuff at User:EricDiesel.
  • Some people like to think for themselves, some like to rely on authrority, or perceived authority. For example, some people do the right thing after figuring out what it is, some like to do something because "god said so" or "Simon says". Just like Constantine et al got to write what was in the bible, now an "unquestionable" authority, and is now quoted, one can write an essay and get the same results at Wiki, like WP:COAT.
  • Since I wrote the article Misplaced Pages:Coatrack Deletions, I am certain it SUCKS (no offencse meant, since I realize I wrote it after reading your comment; your comment was good). But if you know anyone else who can think, (don't let any of the Delete-Why?-"Coatrack"-Hawks know yet), and who likes MORE informaion (true and well sourced) better than less, please have them take a knife to my article, but ask that they explain themselves like in a maath class on the talk page.
  • Once it is polished and reasonable, then start citing it on religeon and intelligent design sites. Soon, it too will be "unfortunately used", hopefully to keep things IN, not out.
  • I am new to Misplaced Pages but always wanted a church of my own, who took my !$@%%& for gospel.
  • PS I must warn you that I have a POV and am partrisan regarding political articles. I used to be a political cartoonist, so I am an anti-"take your pick" partisan. EricDiesel (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Third Opinion at Talk:Wasilla Assembly of God

The purpose of WP:3O is to get the perspective of an uninvolved party, sort of as a sanity check during a dispute. Of course, it is just another opinion, is confined to the question asked, is not a statement of policy, and is certainly not binding - not even remotely - so you can do what you want with it! --Regents Park (count the magpies) 18:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Unsolicited advice

I'd like to ask you not to do stuff like this. It's one thing to exchange less-than-optimally-civil words with another editor in the heat of a content dispute. But if another editor has disengaged and is clearly frustrated, then please don't follow them to their talk page to poke them with a stick. Let it go. There's plenty of editing to be done. MastCell  22:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right. I will try to be more copasetic.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Coatrack Deletions

Essay regarding use of WP:COATRACK is here Misplaced Pages:Coatrack Deletions. I wrote this essay incorporating your comments. I would appreciate it if you checked and see if you have any other ideas as to how to avoid disputes like are occuring on the Palin church pages. Thnx

Some who deleted things are trying to have essay itself deleted. You can weigh in here Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Coatrack_Deletions EricDiesel (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sarah Palin's drug use

Alright, thanks for the heads-up. –Juliancolton 20:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Good catch

Good edit, scaling back my "trimming" of the expression/religion/speech thing. I have been so used to seeing stuff not about her official positions that sometimes I get a little simpleminded. Due to the McCain pict at the top of the Ontheissues source page, I was worried it was, er, nonneutral, so wanted to avoid having the material sounding like "motherhood and apple pie" rah rah. But it's just one page of a whole spectrum of candidate pages, so perhaps I was overvigilant (if not, feel free to correct me!). Do you think it still sounds perhaps a little too cheerleading? If so, we could paraphrase, yet keep the verbatim in the footnote. Nothing lost. Feel free to copy and reply on the talk page, but I wanted to express my appreciation of your actions. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 17:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Palin - Baptisms

I responded to your question. There has alreayd been extensive discussion that perhaps you may have missed regarding the topic of her religious experience. We created a new section to accomodate that at Sarah_Palin#Religious_perspective. The personal section is mean't to be a brief, tight, high-level discussion of aspects of her "public" private life, such as that she is married, has kids, hobbies, gies to church, etc. The mre mentioning of her religion was not an open door for all religious discussion into that section. The new section is specifically for discussing the events you are concerned about covering. Atom (talk) 06:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I see. Well, wherever it ends up, I don't think the information should just be removed from the page. It's sourced, relevant, and I believe important to understanding who Sarah Palin is. Finding a consensus on those issues can't hurt.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a vote over at Sarah Palin

Please visit. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 22:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens Edit wars

I note that there are three unrelated edit war sections on Jclemens talk page. Jclemens just did a second (or third) revert of Balloonman's extensive contrib at Wasilla Assembly of God. Do you know what the outcome was of the previous recent accusations of vandalism for Jclemens repeated deletions? EricDiesel (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Sarah Palin

Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages such as Talk:Sarah Palin for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. Grsz 03:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking for clarification. Can anyone tell me why the material here that's being repeatedly removed by various editors doesn't belong there? --Cdogsimmons (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)