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See, . - ] (]) 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC) See, . - ] (]) 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I was going to inform about some outrageous remarks made there as well as the whole initiative of some users, whose aim is to get rid of Piotrus, one of the most creative members of the whole project.
], which started as a series of complaining about ] (whom you I am sure all know), has now expanded () with claims that our Project/Noticeboard is a "cabal" and that all Polish editors are biased and likely support Piotrus in some terrible plan to undermine Misplaced Pages. Example arguments include: "...there is a small group of Polish nationals on Misplaced Pages"..."It has been happening all over Polish articles, with topics that they never edited before suddenly being besieged by Polish editors, and rules everyone else follows being swept aside by their block voting"..."Since Piotrus has a vast array of IRC and IM friends, happy to blindly revert to Piotrus's edits I doubt that it would work, but we can try"... Among other things, ] is portrayed as a vehicle for cabalism :) It looks like about half of members of this Project/Board are mentioned there as contributing in some shape and form to the Piotrus-led Polish cabal - if you've ever interacted with Piotrus, you may find that and other diffs presented there as proof you are a member of his cabal. This would be funny if it wasn't serious (some editors who have been harassing Piotrus, and to a lesser extent, me and other members of this project) want to ban Piotrus and portray our WikiProject as an evil cabal. I hesitated to bring this issue here since at first it was about Piotrus, not our WikiProject, but now I think the line has been crossed. I am not very familiar with ArbCom, but I believe good places to post are:
* offer an outside statement at ]
* present evidence and/or defend against evidence of others at ]
* comment on proposed decisions at ]; in particular, Piotrus proposals at ] and ] are very relevant to our WikiProject. ] (]) 17:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


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Grammar - Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski

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Gdansk vote and Vilnius

Either we use historical names Danzig - Gdańsk and Wilno - Vilnius or contemporary ones Gdańsk and Wilno. The current situation - Gdansk vote and Vilnius - is incompatible.Xx236 (talk) 13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Administrative division of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Hi Guys, it seems things are bit off with this subject on WP. There is a good reference book available at google books Herbarz polski Kaspra Niesieckiego, s. j By Kasper Niesiecki Published by Waif, 1846 that seems to be very good source giving a comprehensive overview that includes all administrative divisions, bishoprics etc, of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Please comment.--Termer (talk) 03:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

There are quite a few old books, fully scanned on Google Print, that provide some interesting data (note: they may not be available to editors outside US... ask me if you're curious why, long story). The subject of administrative division of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth is a complex one, and the article could use major update - unfortunately I am a little busy with other things and can't prioritize it now.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 03:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that you can't see the book? maybe anybody who can could help? It has all coat of arms of the Voivodeships , all leaders listed including Polish kings and Lithuanian dukes , Bishops ; it includes the Russian territories etc, basically everything about the subject imaginable. I was planning to add the missing coat of arms to relevant articles but since the Administrative division template is a bit off compared to the book. Like I asked about Duchy of Warmia, I got stuck with it. So it would be nice to get the book checked out by someone who's fluent in Polish. The bottom line, What I don't want to do, start fixing the subject without consulting with you guys first. Thanks!--Termer (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I can see since I am in US. But a lot of editors outside US will not be able to access google print public domain books..--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Conrad

Since March Joseph Conrad was a Polish writer. I have restored the previous version and realised that the article doesn't inform about JC attitude toward Poland. It would be good to add one-two sentences.Xx236 (talk) 06:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

What JC attitude toward Poland are you talking about? Can you be more specific? I didn't even know he had an attitude. Please provide a citation for clarity. I'm looking forward to it. --Poeticbent talk 02:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Just to be clear, I don't consider JC to be a Polish novelist since he did not write his prose in the Polish language (a defining factor). What I'm curious about is only his attitude at this point. --Poeticbent talk 18:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I wonder what you'd think about Johan Ludvig Runeberg, then;) (Finnish national poet who wrote only in Swedish). I agree Conrad wasn't a Polish novelist, though not because he didn't write in Polish, but because his nationality wasn't Polish. --Kotniski (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes he did write in Poland in letters and essays. He opposed Panslavism movement for example. I don't have time for that now, but if you remind me I will try to find something.--Molobo (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
See his notes from Gutenberg:
And chapters :
  1. THE CRIME OF PARTITION—1919
  2. A NOTE ON THE POLISH PROBLEM—1916
  3. POLAND REVISITED—1915
He also wrote about his ancestors fight against Russian occupation of Poland in autobiography. --Molobo (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Molobo for the link to The Project Gutenberg eBook: Notes on Life and Letters, by Joseph Conrad. I had fun scrolling through it. Here’s something I picked up from the chapter called "Poland Revisited":

"Cracow is the town where I spent with my father the last eighteen months of his life. It was in that old royal and academical city that I ceased to be a child, became a boy, had known the friendships, the admirations, the thoughts and the indignations of that age. It was within those historical walls that I began to understand things, form affections, lay up a store of memories and a fund of sensations with which I was to break violently by throwing myself into an unrelated existence... I was pleased with the idea of showing my companions what Polish country life was like; to visit the town where I was at school before the boys by my side should grow too old... the memories of that corner of the Earth where my own boyhood had received its earliest independent impressions." -- Joseph Conrad, "POLAND REVISITED", Notes on Life and Letters

--Poeticbent talk 19:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

History of Ukrainian minority in Poland

The article is biased, it doesn't mention Ukrainian victims of Ukrainian terror, Soviet and Nazi influence, situation of Ukrainians in other countries (SU, Czechoslovakia).Xx236 (talk) 08:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Vilna Ghetto

Any experts here?Xx236 (talk) 13:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Constitution of May 3, 1791 up for FAR

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Essentially what a reviewer has requested is sources. I've provided those for the hardest part, the "Features" section. All that's needed now is for someone to provide sources for the general-history parts. It would be a shame to lose Featured-Article status over something as relatively trivial as that. Any takers? Nihil novi (talk) 00:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

What's going on?

When I edit this page I get an "Attention" notice at the top saying it's very unlikely that anyone will view this page and respond. Presumably this now appears at the top of all "Portal talk" pages. Any way we can get rid of it?--Kotniski (talk) 20:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I traced it back to {{visibility}} and left a note there - this indeed is some new and uncalled for feature. Миша13 22:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes. We could technically move our portal to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Poland talk page (as WikiProject redirects to our noticeboard) if all other recurse fails... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Might be a good idea anyway - I've seen people get confused by the positioning of this page in the past.--Kotniski (talk) 06:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, any administrators watching might like to consider (one way or the other) my editprotected request at {{visibility}}.--Kotniski (talk) 07:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Poland related move regarding Partitions of Poland

A request for move was initiated to move Settlement Commission from current name to Royal Prussian Settlement Commission in the provinces of West Prussia and Posen

Interested editors are welcomed to engage in debate and discussion.--Molobo (talk) 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Remember Alexander Newski cathedral ? I found a great source-Architecture in Polish-Russian relations

See here --Molobo (talk) 17:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Chopin à la Pinocchio

A user has, at the head of the "Chopin" article, replaced the elegant portrait of Chopin by Delacroix with a very primitive one by Ary Scheffer that makes the composer look like Pinocchio. If you wish to express your view regarding this substitution, there is voting underway here. Nihil novi (talk) 03:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

My preferred solution is: keep both, we have space. Honestly, I haven't yet seen a portrait of Chopin I like (see others here).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
That's not the question. The point is, which portrait will be in the lead?
A good choice might be the watercolor portrait that was done around 1835 by Chopin's fiancee, Maria Wodzinska, but it is not now available in the Commons. (Could someone place a photo of it there?) Nihil novi (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Population transfer

Central Europe

Main article: Expulsion of Germans after World War II

I have removed the German POV, but without a result. What to do now? Xx236 (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Try more discussion, ask more contributors for input (WP:DR, try also German noticeboard).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You only deleted any information that Poland was involved (somehow), is that what you call NPOV? 84.139.205.167 (talk) 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Dear IP user, please log in first. Than we will discuss POVs.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 15:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Regency Kingdom - part of Polish statehood series or not?

See , and discuss on talk if interested. I am currently thinking about who is right :) What about your thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Group of WPP:Poland members accused of "unhelpful" edits

See, . - Darwinek (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to inform about some outrageous remarks made there as well as the whole initiative of some users, whose aim is to get rid of Piotrus, one of the most creative members of the whole project.

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus 2, which started as a series of complaining about User:Piotrus (whom you I am sure all know), has now expanded () with claims that our Project/Noticeboard is a "cabal" and that all Polish editors are biased and likely support Piotrus in some terrible plan to undermine Misplaced Pages. Example arguments include: "...there is a small group of Polish nationals on Misplaced Pages"..."It has been happening all over Polish articles, with topics that they never edited before suddenly being besieged by Polish editors, and rules everyone else follows being swept aside by their block voting"..."Since Piotrus has a vast array of IRC and IM friends, happy to blindly revert to Piotrus's edits I doubt that it would work, but we can try"... Among other things, Gadu-Gadu is portrayed as a vehicle for cabalism :) It looks like about half of members of this Project/Board are mentioned there as contributing in some shape and form to the Piotrus-led Polish cabal - if you've ever interacted with Piotrus, you may find that and other diffs presented there as proof you are a member of his cabal. This would be funny if it wasn't serious (some editors who have been harassing Piotrus, and to a lesser extent, me and other members of this project) want to ban Piotrus and portray our WikiProject as an evil cabal. I hesitated to bring this issue here since at first it was about Piotrus, not our WikiProject, but now I think the line has been crossed. I am not very familiar with ArbCom, but I believe good places to post are:

prohibition to speak Lithuanian (...) on phone until in the fall of communism in 1990

Poosible under martial law, but not till 1990. Xx236 (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)