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:My response and the only comment I will make on the matter is utter disappointment at arbcom. The ban was placed by the community, not arbcom. It would be strange for arbcom to lift a ban arbcom did not even went as far as endorsing. Arbcom did not even accept the Jack Merridew arbcom case as "he was already community blocked". The user has been indef banned like three times and you are willing to lift that. It hasn't even been a year. I do want to remind arbcom that they went out of their way to even talk about lifting my three-year-old mediation ban. To an untrained eye (my eye) it seems like arbcom only and only rewards extremely poor conduct such has harassment going on for years. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:My response and the only comment I will make on the matter is utter disappointment at arbcom. The ban was placed by the community, not arbcom. It would be strange for arbcom to lift a ban arbcom did not even went as far as endorsing. Arbcom did not even accept the Jack Merridew arbcom case as "he was already community blocked". The user has been indef banned like three times and you are willing to lift that. It hasn't even been a year. I do want to remind arbcom that they went out of their way to even talk about lifting my three-year-old mediation ban. To an untrained eye (my eye) it seems like arbcom only and only rewards extremely poor conduct such has harassment going on for years. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::While I do not normally expect prompt responses, I'd welcome a response before arbcom decides on the matter. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 18:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::While I do not normally expect prompt responses, I'd welcome a response before arbcom decides on the matter. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 18:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Since arbcom is not willing to be the solution to this problem and insists on being the source it, I have brought this matter into Jimbo's attention. I do not know if he will get involved. I hope he does. I am tired of dealing with this issue which will soon celebrate its fifth anniversary as of 12 May 2009. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 21:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I would recommend arbcommers to comment on the ] thread. The proposal should be shaped to meet the needs of arbcom above everything else after all. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I would recommend arbcommers to comment on the ] thread. The proposal should be shaped to meet the needs of arbcom above everything else after all. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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With a trivial amount of compromise you can avoid a revert war. But you are running the show with an iron fist. Tells a lot about how ani discussions go. I will stop reverting the second you restore my comment and remove the discussion templates. -- Cat 01:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
You don't seem to get it. Three editors have told you to either drop it or take it to DRV. Stop edit warring and do so. Nakon01:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I will not going to take it to Drv. And I will revert that page back. You could save me and everyone a lot of time if you just restored my comment. -- Cat 01:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
So because three (four including myself) have asked you to drop it, you're going to continue just to violate WP:POINT? Nakon01:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Point? What point am I illustrating? Do not throw random policies and guidelines at me. I am far to experienced for that. -- Cat 01:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't throw account age into the ring. Your actions are clearly disruptive and need to stop. I'd advise you to listen to this edit by Daniel. Nakon01:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
How ironic. You are accusing me of being elitist indirectly because I complain about arbcom eliteicism. -- Cat 02:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I did not. I merely said I was experienced. You interpreted that on your own. -- Cat 02:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
The heck?
Who do you heck do you think you are characterizing my concerns and comments as trolling? Even actual legal court decisions can be criticized. Why can't arbocom? And this isn't even tied to any decisions by arbcom on a dispute. -- Cat 01:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Because they've made their point clear and your comments are to effect of "well screw them, I deny they can control the way RfAr works". What you seem to forget is all the RfAr pages are designed for the community to interact with the Committee, not the other way around, and as such Committee have control over the format and composition of all pages in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/* and Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/*. Daniel (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
WC/CC...you're being disruptive and three arb clerks have, in various words, told you to chill out. So do so. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I have taken this issue with the foundation itself including Jimbo. I will drop this issue when I feel comfortable with the result. You can count on that. Arbitration clerks are not divine entities. I will not be patronized. -- Cat 01:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Good. I eagerly await the Foundation's inaction on the issue due to them totally disagreeing with you. Daniel (talk) 01:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Is everything that scripted? My my... -- Cat 02:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Naive in the sense I still believe foundation would listen to what I have to say? Ignorant as in I see a cultural problem others want to hide under the carpet? -- Cat 02:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
How ironic. You are attempting to rebuff my attempt to criticize wikipedia by linking to external criticism of wikipedia by Stephan Colbert. -- Cat 03:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Why should I be "uncalm"? I am the one merely proposing minor changes to arbcom. People are going out of their way to attack me for it. It is them who should be calm. -- Cat 02:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Again, misrepresenting the facts. It was disagreed with by arbitrators and clerks, and you're going out of your way to threaten to make edits which will disrupt Misplaced Pages to make a point. You even link to the essay policy when doing so regarding the mediation restriction. Daniel (talk) 02:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
What essay is that? -- Cat 02:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Right, that is what the ridiculous arbcom remedy bans me from though. -- Cat 02:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The respected members of the Arbitration Committee i) believe mediating "require skill and the trust of the community", ii) believe you " unsuccessfully attempted to mediate a number of contested articles" ... "where he had a strong POV", and iii) have therefore "prohibited from holding out as a mediator or attempting to serve as a mediator of any dispute". These respected and elected representatives of the community do not believe you have the necessary qualities or community support to be a mediator, and have banned you from doing so to prevent further disruption. You cannot ignore an arbitration decision just because you disagree with its ratio. Daniel (talk) 02:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh really? Will you block me for mediating? What makes you think I haven't mediated many disputes via a sockpuppet account? -- Cat 02:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I am doing the exact opposite. Trying to pull arbcom out of a hole. -- Cat 03:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment by FT2
There seem to be a couple of matters you are fighting on today at least - a RFAR redirect issue, and the removal of the prohibition on mediating for others. Unfortunately both of those seem to be problematic. The Arbitration Committee generally manages its own subpages, and there doesn't seem to be consensus either by Arbitrators, or arbcom clerks, or even by the community, to treat those differently than they are being treated. And the mediation issue, was considered by appeal very recently, and whilst questions were raised as to whether a lesser restriction might help, in the end, no arbitrator was willing to say the restriction should be removed as recently as March 2008. Wider communal consensus on both just says no interest in more discussion, best I can tell.
The communal concern in the mediation issue seems to be that you are still prone to arguement rather than discussion, and unfortunately that seems to be the case. On the other hand you are under considerable stress and are likely snapping at many things in part for that reason too. (Others have done so as well, not just you, I should add.) The concern I have is that these topics may be going nowhere in which case eventually your continuing pushing at them will just be seen as a problem by others.
I'm not sure what to suggest, but accepting what is, rather than consistently reacting to it, is probably going to be part of it. Easy for me to say, I know; I dont feel under pressure of the circumstances you've described. So I am wary of saying a lot because Im not sure I can be a help here, sadly. FT203:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I dislike my activity to be classified as "fighting". I am not confronting - hardly arguing. I am not even being treated seriously... My efforts have been declared as trolling though. That sure surprised me. Please avoid such language.
Clarification. Issues I discussed today:
Possible restructuring of arbcom's main page WP:RFAR into two sub pages
This discussion was closed, the admin deleting the page refuses to discuss this out of process deletion.
I am not binded by any rule arbitrators aren't.
FYI I relayed to arbcom over my intention to ignore their decision completely.
It doesn't qualify as an ultimatum as I am not proposing anything. Also an ultimatum to mediate would be an oxymoron.
I do not believe arbitrators seriously discussed my appeal. If they have, I see no evidence of it. I think arbitrators do not have the slightest clue what those restrictions are doing to me - to a person who would rather die than mediate something on this project. Arbitrators have succeeded in disgusting me away from mediation. Let there be no mistake about it.
It is simply offensive to every value I believe in such as honesty and fairness that arbcom and the community is willing to consider unblock/unban of trolls, vandals and other disruptive users (I am not even referencing to the Jack Merridew case) and yet go out of their way to ignore my appeal. How many edits does the indef blocked MARMOT get? MARMOT being a person who wrote vandalism bots, abused MediaWiki vulnerabilities to vandalize among other issues. He was unblocked and given a second chance, twice. Me being a good user (relative to MARMOT at least) have been given no such chances. What have I done to deserved to be treated so poorly?
Then there is the matter of how would people punish me for successfully mediating... Seriously, would you block me? Even if the Mediation fails to resolve the dispute... Would you block me? Even if I were to be blocked for how long would it be? Based on what? Arbcom remedy doesn't even talk about blocking.
Do you have any idea how much crap I need to deal with due to the expired remedies? Do you? Do you have any idea how useless arbcom has been so far? I have been bringing issues to arbcom since 2005. Not only do I need to hand feed arbitrators evidence and etc but I also have to deal with their poor judgment which only affects me. I am condemned to many things as a result.
Even a one week newbie knows I will never be granted admin tools.
Why? because I have been infront of arbcom at least four times now. In all cases Davenbelle was of course involved. A 5th case was avoided which is why the arbcom is still dealing with this.
I am completely banned from editing Kurdish or Armenian related articles even if the article isn't controversial.
I want to point out a good deal of these articles are hijacked by lobbyists. CAMERA people were merely careless, they aren't the only one. The Armenia-Azerbaijan arbitration case is a tool only useful to lobbyists. Regular inexperienced users can be sanctioned. Experienced paid/unpaid staff of lobbies can change accounts faster than you can change underwear.
No one has been taking be seriously since the first arbitration case. People always assume bad faith and mistreat me. They constantly accuse me of a hidden agenda. They call me paranoid even in the light of Christal clear evidence.
I am in a position where I cannot loose anything.
I am on a dynamic IP range. I know the inner workings of the community and MediaWiki to avoid any kind of block. I have obeyed any block to dat voluntarily even if I could easily avoid them. This isn't intended as a threat btw. It isn't like there is anything the community can take away from me.
I will not compromise from my personal values on honesty and fairness even if it incriminates me. So getting another account is out of the question for me. Dishonesty works better in the mechanics of our wiki-society. Under the guise of "privacy" you and I know how many sanctioned people returned editing. They become less disruptive so as to stay under the radar - but what was the point of the sanction?
I already know from experience that the arbitration committee is anything but helpful. This isn't intended to be an insult. Just an observation from experience. So I know my expectations.
I am willing to listen others as much as they are willing to listen to me. You are obviously willing to listen to me which is why I am willing to listen to you as a person. I consider you different from rest of the arbitrators per your initiative to talk to me.
You're under stressful times here, and you're getting nowhere fast. I think, however, the main problem is you're approaching things from the wrong angle, and with the wrong attitude. What is it that you need done? I will undertake my best attempts to help, so long as what you need is fair and warranted.
I made a few minor suggestions (creation of a redirect, minor restructuring of rfar) and I have been almost crucified for it. I do not know. I do need the redirect to more easily link to the case.
As it stands, I probably will be forced to link to the Davenbelle for the next 47 years if my past 3 years is any indication. I wil hand feed the community more evidence and links to past cases (which are less than fun to type). I do not expect this dispute to be resolved for decades. If I turn out to be wrong... Well I suppose that is a good thing.
I also need to be able to follow discussions on ArbCom. I spend a good deal of my time editing from a shared GPRS connection which has a speed close to a shared 56k (its slightly less). It's sluggish as is. As much as I find arbcom to be completely useless when dealing with disputes, the incompetent wikipedia will not move a yoctometer to help me and delegate the dispute to arbcom like it did the past 3 years.
I intend to file an rfar case on Jack Merridew. I know there is a clarification but the overly complex long term nature of the case that seems to be a better way to address the problem. You being a clerk can probably make the transition better than I. Please make this transition. A clarification has a very high chance of disappearing for inactivity per my past experience.
I seemingly need to demonstrate mediation (a field of science I have no interest to) in order to abolish an arbcom remedy. Since arbcom has shown complete apathy on the matter, I have to do this all by my self. Fun thing is I am only interested in the removal of this non-expiring remedy. Currently the remedy only serves to help trolls. I am open to suggestions on getting this remedy off my back.
Your bot, Computer, made an edit to a redirect that I had created saying that it was "Fixing double redirect". However, I am unable to figure out what it actually changed! The diff is here. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at it. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I think you should do the usual talk on the request page. From the three active voters 2 voted against because of the fact that in name computer there is no -bot part in. Carsrac (talk) 15:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I have posted a remark there. -- Cat 19:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Mystified by bot with javanese articles
Sorry to do this - but what exactly is the bot doing with WP EN Indonesian articles and WP Jav articles? Apologies if my inability to see what it happening is blindingly obvious to you SatuSuro04:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry, can you give me a link to the issue? You seem to be upset but I do not see what this is about. -- Cat 12:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Nah not upset in the slightest - the bot is adding accents to javanese place name links on indonesian articles in english wikipedia and it seemed so odd i was gonna try to work out why - if it makes somebody happy - who cares ? - it just seemed quite odd for a while - so really in the end a false alalm - i think - its just when i was trying to learn javanese i cannot remember accents in the western alphabet for javanese words - thats all -cheers - if it fits thats ok - SatuSuro13:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... Can you link me to one these changes. I think I may know why... -- Cat 13:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok thanks a lot for such a full explanation - it is good that you are able to give such an explanation
I realised long ago such a process occurred - it just seemed odd when i saw the bot putting accents in where i didnt think they were needed - as for offering to get the bot to do things - I dont trust mechanised processes on some areas of what i call cat tagging - where there are issues where I believe an actual looking at the category and or the derivative sub categories is useful.
So as much as some areas might benefit from the level of bot work - the one that I am currently doing has a three fold purpose - I am actually looking to see what cats the NZ project has - as a way of checking against what I have tagged in the Australian and Indonesian projects - and trying to see where there might be benefits to any of the projects in any direction - if mechanised, things can get missed and or misinterpreted :) - however I can see where a bot could do it more efficiently and thoroughly - a lot depends on my memory and capacity to make the correlations - in 1974 I remember meeting a man who used to sit in front of slides of cells from dead children to look for patterns - I realise now we have pattern recognition software that far out does the human capacity to work at that level of checking :) SatuSuro01:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Categories are machine generated lists. Bots will be more effective in dealing with them. For example I can tag all talk pages of artiles in a spesific category with a "wikiproject" template. -- Cat 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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Would you agree to withdraw the nomination and "historicify" the wikiproject as a "bad idea". I think this would work better. Otherwise what I tried back then will end up reappearing with a new name. There are many examples of such historic "bad ideas" in the past. See pages tagged with {{historical}} for a few examples. -- Cat 11:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please make your bot in ru.wp to use REDIRECT instead of localized version «перенаправление» (edit example). Everybody is using REDIRECT in our Misplaced Pages, and localized version is simply confusing users. —AlexSm21:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I asked a developer to fix this and he said he "committed" it. The issue should be resolved. -- Cat 13:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I strongly request that you make such a statement in user space, if possible. There's a real danger that rehashing individual grievances within the RFC would fracture the process and undo any chance of reform. With respect, Durova17:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I had a three year experience with arbcom. I think I have an idea on what is broken. I do not intend to rant, there is plenty of that. -- Cat 18:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
You have three years; I have two and a half. We've both seen where the bodies are buried (I could probably even find Jimmy Hoffa by now). Please be very judicious about the direction you take this. Hope you see and respect this. Best, Durova18:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, do you think you can move it back, trim if you have to but that post belongs to the actual original page. Feel free to modify it. RFC talk pages are generally used to discuss material related to the actual RFC page and not related to the actual topic discussed on the RFC page. Much like noticeboard talk pages. -- Cat 11:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
FYI
See this. Not a major thing, no action need be taken (it already has), just something to file away in your mental filing cabinet. BOZ (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear user White Cat, i've noticed that on your userpage you have a list of countries that u're "not sure" if u want to visit them. Assuming that the list was compiled on the basis of personal and general safety to the tourist, i want to recommend to you to drop at least 4 of the 12 countries that are listed there
The countries that i'm talking about are Israel, Cuba, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
these countries are recommended by me to be dropped because i know for a fact on at least two of them, that these countries are not dangerous for tourists and are actually very pleasent to be toured. Please consider my recommendation --Oren neu dag (talk) 22:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure you're aware of this, but any religion besides Islam is prohibited in Saudi Arabia. If you want to perform your religion's rituals, you must do it in your own home in complete privacy (that is allowed), or you'll be considered as a moral corruptor. Siúnrá (talk) 11:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I placed these countries under "not sure to go" under the basis of my preference to travel not safety. I am not saying I wont go there, all I am saying is they are not high on priority in my list to go. For example if there is a wikimania in one of those countries, I would go without a second thought. -- Cat 17:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Before you posted this here I identified and resolved the problem. Problem was related to calibration of the bot's username (bot's username recently changed on some wikis). While a block of the bot is no big deal, please do not block on the first sign of a problem - especially if the bot isn't doing something absurd. Block of the bot increases my workload. For example, your block has completely crashed all running interwiki processes. I was only interwiki linking my userpage and bot userpage (to make sure everything worked). -- Cat 04:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
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Request for help
Hi White Cat,
I would like to know whether you would be interested to help with administration at WP:ANIME, as we will be reassessing all of the articles within the Wikiproject's scope for a few items, this will follow the same format as Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008. (See WP:ANIME/ASSESS#Assessment drive for initial discussions—I have asked another editor to create the sub-pages for us.) I am aware that you are not on the best of terms with some of the editors there, but hope that you will consider helping anyway (Personally, I have deep respect for you—and I am asking as I believe you could provide valuable help).
You could also consider helping at peer review, or A class assessment (To be implimented shortly), or if you are up for hard work, at the cleanup task force.
The above link is no longer valid because the page was deleted. Basically what happened was that the bot found a page containing "{{db-r1}}<br>#REDIRECT ]" and changed it to the same text without the line break. (I use <br> here to show where a line break character existed, not a literal <br> HTML tag.) Since this only happens on pages that your bot has already tagged for speedy deletion, it's going to be a problem finding a diff link that won't disappear within minutes! --Russ(talk)15:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
It may have removed an invisible char. I can't really investigate as you also point out the page is deleted... -- Cat 08:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, here's one that won't disappear (I hope): . Note that the bot first added the {{db-r1}} and then 12 seconds later made a second edit removing a single character. This pattern seems to occur whenever the bot finds a self-linked redirect. (On a separate note, I query whether it is desirable to tag these for speedy deletion without first warning the person who created the redirect, since many of these self-links, like this one, are just typos that can easily be corrected.) --Russ(talk)16:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Self redirects are a navigation hazard. It is best to remove them on sight. If necesary the proper redirect can be recreated. As for the bug I have pointed it out to the devs. -- Cat 17:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I did request a bot flag some time ago. I checked and noticed that you had removed it without saying a word. It would have been better to move the request to the correct page. In addition it is advisable to put an English explanation of the process to zh:維基大典:會館.
Per your request I have placed by bot flag request for that wiki a second time. I hope I did everything correctly.
I am still waiting to hear about this urgent issue... -- Cat 15:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
This bot is moving pages incorrectly. Specifically, it is not able to correctly handle Featured Picture nominations that include more than one picture. Often featured picture nominations include several images. Some are edits to the original and some are just related images to assist in discussion. Just because an image is present in a featured image discussion doesn't mean the featured image page should be named after that image. This page, for example, was moved incorrectly twice due to 2 other featured pictures being included for comparison. Kaldari (talk) 15:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Right. I will have two passes. First to take care of all the bulk workload and second pass to deal with special cases like the one you mentioned. Most pages will not have issues. Everything was under control. A block was an overreaction. -- Cat 15:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible for me to continue working? -- Cat 15:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I started writing a notification to you immediately after I blocked your bot. Your bot was causing problems and I blocked it immediately to prevent it from reeking more havok. Your response to my block, however, was absolutely unacceptable. It demonstrated both a lack of good faith (assuming that I was not going to explain my block) and incivility. I hope you will consider changing your attitude, lest you want to acquire the same reputation as BetaCommand. Bot operators (of which I am one) should be willing to respond to problem with their bot in a civil manner, otherwise they should not be running bots, however helpful they may be. Kaldari (talk) 15:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Your definition of havoc is interesting. One wrong edit which wasn't completely incorrect (the nomination would have the wrong filename as a title for a short period of time - no big deal). You question my good faith? In other words you are accusing me of wrecking the project... How civil is that... It is also highly uncivil of you to mention of Betacommand in such a manner. I do not care the slightest bit if you are a bot user.
It is my responsibility to cleanup after my bot. You chose to block the bot on sight after first wrong edit. You didn't choose to notify me first. That is very wrong.
Look. I do not care if you like me or hate me. Can you please unblock my bot so I can continue working. -- Cat 15:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Featured picture candidates with multiple images are not a "special case". About half of featured picture candidate pages include more than one image. How do you intend to determine which of the numerous pages you are moving will need to be fixed? Also how do you intend to delete all of the unneccessary redirects your bot is creating if you aren't an admin? Also it is common to include previous featured pictures for comparison. How will your bot handle the name conflicts in such a situation? Kaldari (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
My bot uses input from an SQL query. The criteria for it is that the "name of the page" = "the filename of the promoted image". Failed nominations shouldn't be even edited. There is a mistake there somewhere (obviously). I will invest and correct this (obviously). I could have done so without a block.
In the meanwhile I see no reason why my bot should stay blocked from other tasks it deals with such as double redirects.
If you will agree to not run the FPC job until my concerns have been addressed, I will be more than happy to unblock your bot. As I'm sure you know, many bot operators like to run their bots unsupervised, so it is often necessary to block bots rather than simply relying on notifying the operator. Thanks for your understanding. Kaldari (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
White Cat, I know you mean well, but as an FPC regular it's alarming to see this many name changes pop up on my watchlist on the basis of a brief discussion that appeared to be DOA back in April. I don't particularly see the need for this bot, since anyone who knows the filename of a featured picture can access the candidacy quite easily through the image page. Commons needs to structure candidacies around filenames because they're a multilingual project. English Misplaced Pages is more likely to promote an alternate version, and sometimes delists and replaces improved file versions of the same image.
Your bot could make it difficult to cross reference such cases. For instance, an editor who doesn't know this history may have a very hard time figuring out why Image:Love or dutya.jpg is a former featured picture while Image:Love or dutyb.jpg is featured. Would you have a fresh discussion with us please, so we can work this out? Thanks, Durova16:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, it is not alarming. Please do not panic. :)
Okay so this feature has many benefits. The title names currently used by FPC nominations are unable to deal with multiple featured pictures for the same topic. For example if we had 20 different featured pictures on any specific topic (an easy possibility in the next 10 years) unique nomination pages would help a lot.
Due to the poor system I cannot make out how "Love or duty" developed. How the process progressed should be better linked. I'd recommend a system like FAC where there is a central page that links to old nominations (visible in article talk pages). Image talk pages are underused and this could be such a good usage. But all this is a seperate issue of course.
A second benefit is that this feature would make it possible to more easily link to successful nominations from other wikis - particularly commons.
Would you raise these points at FPC talk for discussion please? The FPC regulars don't seem to have been aware that your bot was in the works. I noticed it only because I have a lot of FP credits and some old candidacies popped up on the watchlist. A white cat might be a very good thing, but when one pounces out of the shadows the natural reaction is to duck. ;) Best regards, Durova16:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, while I do not want to rush things, how long should I wait before returning to my bot? I would like to think not a whole lot of people would care about nomination pagenames. I certainly do not aside from the functional issue. -- Cat 15:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for telling you that I've tried without success to rename your bot Tarakilishi on sw:wiki as you had requested. Maybe, it's due to the Japanese characters; maybe, it's due to some reservation of a "global account". I'm afraid I'm not computer-savvy enough to help you. Let me know (on my sw:talk page) if you have some ideas how to remedy this. Arigato! --Baba Tabita41.223.57.34 (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear White Cat...I saw your comment on the American films by decade tfd, and I would support the mass rename. You would probably need a bot to do them all since there are 110 or so that need to be moved, a list of them can be found on this template. Have fun! LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 20:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I am a bot operator. I also have BAG approval to deal with this. However I don't want to start a revert war. Do you think you can mention this idea on the tfd? -- Cat 22:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Will do. Oh, and so you don't have to copy the text in two places, keep the conversation here, and just place the aformentioned {{Talkback}} template on my talk page. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 22:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, I haven't been watching. I am doing a lot of things. You can check the tfd yourself to see what is happening. I am trying to get a few things renamed too. This is a long tedious process. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 18:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi White Cat. I recently put up your template proposal to see how it went down. I like the fact it improves on the markup and doesn't use all that HTML. I think there's a slight problem though because of the table class used, which results in it sticking out a bit on some pages (i.e. Muhammad) instead of positioning itself below the other images/templates. You'd probably be better at fixing the problem than me so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. Regards, ITAQALLAH20:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
That is semi intentional. Muhammad navbox can also be modified so it has the same width. The intention here is to make good use of width as otherwise the template gains too much height. -- Cat 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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Sorry about that. "Various sources" is sourced, how silly of me. If I tagged one with a proper source, then I must have been on a roll tagging all the unsourced ones. In the meantime I've placed the proper tag on it, since it is already on the commons. --Nobunaga24 (talk) 15:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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Yes. Such double redirects are infrequently created due to vandalism.
Testacea links to Amoeba. If Amoeba were to be converted into a redirect article Testacea would start pointing at a redirect. This is what we call a double redirect. In general double redirects are created by good faith page moves.
If you take a look at the two diffs (, ) you can see that the article Amoeba was converted to a redirect twice (two consecutive vandalism by User:79.74.121.54).
The double redirect created by the above vandalism somehow made its way to Special:Doubleredirects, the mediawiki generated list of double redirects. This happens very rarely. Once or twice a year I believe.
So the problem is not with the bot but instead with the vandal. Bots are not smart like humans to differentiate vandalism with legit content.
You do realize that my userbox uses the same free logo as yours (I mimicked yours), and has the official colors of the Google chrome logo right? -- Cat 18:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
First of all, you lied saying something like "redirect to pre-existing template (or userbox)" while making my template page a redirect to yours. Second, the moment I checked your template and went to the history, I noticed someone had added a non-free logo, currently used in the Google Chrome page, so I removed (I didn't check history before reverting your immature redirect edit). So you must've checked the your current template but never checked your own history page as to why I said, "yours has a non-free logo". So.. how much of a newbie are you? --staka (T) 19:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I did not lie. I created the userbox about 20 minutes before you. I had taken the time to figure out the colors on the Official Google Chrome logo and applied them to the template. I am quite new to the site. I am still learning things. There is no reason to make a big deal out of it.
Your tone is quite hostile. I suggest a quick adjustment.
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My response and the only comment I will make on the matter is utter disappointment at arbcom. The ban was placed by the community, not arbcom. It would be strange for arbcom to lift a ban arbcom did not even went as far as endorsing. Arbcom did not even accept the Jack Merridew arbcom case as "he was already community blocked". The user has been indef banned like three times and you are willing to lift that. It hasn't even been a year. I do want to remind arbcom that they went out of their way to even talk about lifting my three-year-old mediation ban. To an untrained eye (my eye) it seems like arbcom only and only rewards extremely poor conduct such has harassment going on for years. -- Cat 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
While I do not normally expect prompt responses, I'd welcome a response before arbcom decides on the matter. -- Cat 18:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Since arbcom is not willing to be the solution to this problem and insists on being the source it, I have brought this matter into Jimbo's attention. I do not know if he will get involved. I hope he does. I am tired of dealing with this issue which will soon celebrate its fifth anniversary as of 12 May 2009. -- Cat 21:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I would recommend arbcommers to comment on the WP:VPP#A wiki equavalent of CSI (developing idea) thread. The proposal should be shaped to meet the needs of arbcom above everything else after all. -- Cat 07:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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