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	:How can you put a fact tag on a project banner? You don't even know, '''''why''''' they claim the article as part of the project. It could be because Brooks was bisexual, or because her movie portrayals turned her into a gay icon, or any number of other reasons - '''''you just don't know'''''. Given that, how can you question the banner's existence on the page?<p>In any case, a fact tag is not appropriate for a project banner. <b><i>]</i> <sub>] / ]</sub></b> 22:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)		:How can you put a fact tag on a project banner? You don't even know, '''''why''''' they claim the article as part of the project. It could be because Brooks was bisexual, or because her movie portrayals turned her into a gay icon, or any number of other reasons - '''''you just don't know'''''. Given that, how can you question the banner's existence on the page?<p>In any case, a fact tag is not appropriate for a project banner. <b><i>]</i> <sub>] / ]</sub></b> 22:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Regarding your comment that I "may be a transexual", I get the feeling that perhaps you regard this as a terrible insult, but it's perfectly true, you have no way of knowing my sexual orientation, even if I happened to disclose it one way or the other - after all, I could be lying or playacting or pulling your leg. But if I was a transsexual, that's just what I'd be, it would be my nature, and I don't think I'd have any problems with it, so I wouldn't consider it any great insult to be called what I'd would be. (And even if I'm not, believe me, I've been dealing with people calling me a "faggot" or "queer" for more years than you've probably been alive, so it doesn't faze me in the least. Nor is it an argument stopper, in case that's what you were hoping for.)<p>But it's at least an improvement that you actually '''''responded''''' to one of my comments! Now if we can just get you to discuss things reasonably, intelligently and civilly, we'll '''''really''''' be making progress. <b><i>]</i> <sub>] / ]</sub></b> 00:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)		::Regarding your comment that I "may be a transexual", I get the feeling that perhaps you regard this as a terrible insult, but it's perfectly true, you have no way of knowing my sexual orientation, even if I happened to disclose it one way or the other - after all, I could be lying or playacting or pulling your leg. But if I was a transsexual, that's just what I'd be, it would be my nature, and I don't think I'd have any problems with it, so I wouldn't consider it any great insult to be called what I'd would be. (And even if I'm not, believe me, I've been dealing with people calling me a "faggot" or "queer" for more years than you've probably been alive, so it doesn't faze me in the least. Nor is it an argument stopper, in case that's what you were hoping for.)<p>But it's at least an improvement that you actually '''''responded''''' to one of my comments! Now if we can just get you to discuss things reasonably, intelligently and civilly, we'll '''''really''''' be making progress. <b><i>]</i> <sub>] / ]</sub></b> 00:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

			== October 2008 ==

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Hello, Britte, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Paris Hilton

Hi
Thanks for you work on the Paris Hilton article. In the future though, could you please try to use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made or any other changes you want to make, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history.
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Guide to referencing

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Using references (citations)
Help another user by posting this to them. Put {{subst:refstart}} on their talk page or a relevant article talk page. Alternatively, use the link WP:REFB, which goes to a help page. I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Good references A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article. Inserting a reference The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code: ==Notes and references== {{reflist}} The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap): <ref> </ref> Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference. Test it out Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page: ==Reference test== This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference.<ref>Reference details go here</ref> ==Notes and references== {{reflist}} (End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this: Reference test This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference. Notes and references Reference details go here Information to include You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this: <ref>Plunkett, John. , '']'', 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27.</ref> When uploaded, it appears as: Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27. Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is: Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. References not online You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this: <ref>Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", '']'', 2005-10-27.</ref> When uploaded, it appears as: Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, 2005-10-27. Here is an example for a book: <ref>Charmley, John (2006). ''The Princess and the Politicians'', p.60. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712.</ref> When uploaded, it appears as: Charmley, John (2006). The Princess and the Politicians. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712. Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark. Date format These formats are all acceptable for dates: 2005-01-27 27 January 2007 January 27, 2007 Citation templates You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference Same ref used twice or more The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code: <ref name=smith>Details of ref here</ref> The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again: <ref name=smith/> You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is. Alternative system The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair. Further information More information can be found at: Misplaced Pages:Citing sources Misplaced Pages:Citing sources/example style Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference Misplaced Pages:Citation templates Misplaced Pages:Footnotes

Using references (citations)

Help another user by posting this to them. Put {{subst:refstart}} on their talk page or a relevant article talk page. Alternatively, use the link WP:REFB, which goes to a help page.

I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Good references

A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.

Inserting a reference

The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:

==Notes and references==

The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):

Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.

Test it out

Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:

==Reference test==

This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference.<ref>Reference details go here</ref>

==Notes and references==

(End of text to copy and paste.)

It should appear like this:

Reference test

This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference.

Notes and references

Reference details go here

Information to include

You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:

<ref>Plunkett, John. , '']'', 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27.</ref>

When uploaded, it appears as:

Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27.

Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:

Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets.

The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead.

References not online

You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:

<ref>Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", '']'', 2005-10-27.</ref>

When uploaded, it appears as:

Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, 2005-10-27.

Here is an example for a book:

<ref>Charmley, John (2006). ''The Princess and the Politicians'', p.60. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712.</ref>

When uploaded, it appears as:

Charmley, John (2006). The Princess and the Politicians. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712.

Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.

Date format

These formats are all acceptable for dates:

2005-01-27

27 January 2007

January 27, 2007

Citation templates

You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference

Same ref used twice or more

The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:

<ref name=smith>Details of ref here</ref>

The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:

You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.

You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.

Alternative system

The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.

Further information

More information can be found at:

I thought this might be helpful to you when adding references to articles. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You removed a project banner

Unless you are a member of the LGBT project, it is not appropriate for you to remove their banner from the Louise Brooks article talk page. If you feel that Brooks was not a lesbian or bisexual, you should engage them in discussion on the project talk page. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 22:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder...

...that dismissive remarks in the edit summaries as you delete my comments is not "discussion". Please start talking about the concerns expressed here by myself and others about your edits. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 02:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

October 2008

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As I expressed in the comment you deleted with As stated before, I gave reasons for the reversion, so you have a nerve saying that they are reverting an unexplained edits, you need to be discussing, not reverting. —EncMstr (talk) 03:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Claudette Colbert in childhood.jpg

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Removing project tag

You have once again removed the LGBT Project banner from Talk:Louise Brooks. Although this time you posted an inquiry about it on the project talk page, you removed the banner before you had any response to your comment. Despite the fact that there was consequently no discussion about whether the banner was properly placed or not, you removed it with the edit summary indicating that the removal was "per project talk page," which is false.

Please be aware that discussion is the essence of the way Misplaced Pages works, and that it is not sufficient to simply go through the motions of instigating a conversation, you actually have to talk about it before you go around claiming that you have a consensus to do something. I'm not quite clear on what reasoning resulted in the article being claimed by LGBT, perhaps they simply feel that Brooks is a gay icon, I'm not sure, but you really must talk to them, and to those people commenting about your editing here, which you have, so far, refused to do. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 22:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

How can you put a fact tag on a project banner? You don't even know, why they claim the article as part of the project. It could be because Brooks was bisexual, or because her movie portrayals turned her into a gay icon, or any number of other reasons - you just don't know. Given that, how can you question the banner's existence on the page?

In any case, a fact tag is not appropriate for a project banner. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 22:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your comment here that I "may be a transexual", I get the feeling that perhaps you regard this as a terrible insult, but it's perfectly true, you have no way of knowing my sexual orientation, even if I happened to disclose it one way or the other - after all, I could be lying or playacting or pulling your leg. But if I was a transsexual, that's just what I'd be, it would be my nature, and I don't think I'd have any problems with it, so I wouldn't consider it any great insult to be called what I'd would be. (And even if I'm not, believe me, I've been dealing with people calling me a "faggot" or "queer" for more years than you've probably been alive, so it doesn't faze me in the least. Nor is it an argument stopper, in case that's what you were hoping for.)

But it's at least an improvement that you actually responded to one of my comments! Now if we can just get you to discuss things reasonably, intelligently and civilly, we'll really be making progress. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 00:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

October 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Grsz 00:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)