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| :::Hi Gene, it seems your assessment was correct, my ] efforts were wasted. Said user bluntly refuses to deal with the content dispute in a constructive fashion and seeks only to lower the tone of proceedings with juvenile taunts. Would you mind offering your opinion so ] can get an idea of the pattern of behavior on the 'space music' article. I suggest we move forward by posting on ], ] and ]. Do you have any suggestions? ] (]) 04:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | :::Hi Gene, it seems your assessment was correct, my ] efforts were wasted. Said user bluntly refuses to deal with the content dispute in a constructive fashion and seeks only to lower the tone of proceedings with juvenile taunts. Would you mind offering your opinion so ] can get an idea of the pattern of behavior on the 'space music' article. I suggest we move forward by posting on ], ] and ]. Do you have any suggestions? ] (]) 04:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
| ::::Hi Gene, in an effort to try and move things forward, would you be prepared to put your differences with Milo aside so we can all try and tease out matters relating to the HOS source? I am suggesting the first step be a ] posting before editing continues. If we could begin some kind of civil discussion on the talk page that would be a positive step, how does that meet with you? ] (]) 22:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | ::::Hi Gene, in an effort to try and move things forward, would you be prepared to put your differences with Milo aside so we can all try and tease out matters relating to the HOS source? I am suggesting the first step be a ] posting before editing continues. If we could begin some kind of civil discussion on the talk page that would be a positive step, how does that meet with you? ] (]) 22:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
| :::::OK thanks, lets see what comes of this, hopefully we can hammer something out that we are all happy with. Cheers. ] (]) 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | :::::OK thanks, lets see what comes of this, hopefully we can hammer something out that we are all be happy with. Cheers. ] (]) 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
| :::::PS. In the past, has there been any attempt at mediation or any posting on a content related notice board regarding the article? ] (]) 00:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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AfDs
I must note that you've been following most deletion discussions I've been involved in and adding each time. " Meets WP:V and WP:NOTE" Michellecrisp (talk) 06:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- That would be because, in my opinion, the article subjects in those particular AfD's meet WP:V and WP:NOTE. I have been closely reviewing the whole AfD process during my recent enforced sabbatical, and I must say I am deeply troubled by quite a number of the nominations I've been seeing. I intend giving this a lot more of my attention going forward, so thank you for helping to draw it to my attention. --Gene_poole (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes you say WP:V and WP:NOTE but you don't often provide details of how an article subject meets WP:NOTE. And I hope you're not simply looking at my edit history for AfDs to choose to comment on. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- My comments are self evident, and I am under no obligation to provide any rationale to anyone for my opinions. It is up to the closing admin to determine the worth or otherwise of the comments and opinions of all those who choose to contribute to an AfD discussion - as you should well know. As you should also well know, I have voiced an opinion on numerous AfDs to which you've made no contribution at all, so your imputed concern is clearly misplaced. --Gene_poole (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Really? sheer coincidence that after your block ended yesterday, you suddenly comment on 5 articles I've recently nominated for deletion out of the hundreds of articles for deletion. I doubt that you randomly found these AfDs, and today after I commented on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mary Rose School you appear straight after. I must say if this following continues, it makes me uncomfortable. Michellecrisp (talk) 10:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I was contributing my views on schools VfDs and AfDs for at least 4 years before you made your first WP edit, and as a consequence I have many, many school articles bookmarked. If you continue to nominate schools for deletion it is more likely than not that I will become aware of it. Your arguments here - as on AfD - remain largely unconvincing. I think we can leave it there for the moment, as I can see no value in further exploring this non-issue. Please don't post further messages on this subject here. --Gene_poole (talk) 11:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Really? sheer coincidence that after your block ended yesterday, you suddenly comment on 5 articles I've recently nominated for deletion out of the hundreds of articles for deletion. I doubt that you randomly found these AfDs, and today after I commented on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mary Rose School you appear straight after. I must say if this following continues, it makes me uncomfortable. Michellecrisp (talk) 10:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- My comments are self evident, and I am under no obligation to provide any rationale to anyone for my opinions. It is up to the closing admin to determine the worth or otherwise of the comments and opinions of all those who choose to contribute to an AfD discussion - as you should well know. As you should also well know, I have voiced an opinion on numerous AfDs to which you've made no contribution at all, so your imputed concern is clearly misplaced. --Gene_poole (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes you say WP:V and WP:NOTE but you don't often provide details of how an article subject meets WP:NOTE. And I hope you're not simply looking at my edit history for AfDs to choose to comment on. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Does not explain why very soon after your unblock you not only commented on school articles I nominated for deletion but also 2 brazilian cartoonists and UTS Students' Association. In fact, 5 articles that I have nominated in the last 48 hours you have commented on. Not a coincidence. Pretending that I can't see your pattern of editing doesn't cut it with me as an experienced editor. The evidence is clear. I suggest you stop following me around. Michellecrisp (talk) 11:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how much more explicitly I can repeat myself and/or state the bleeding obvious for you, but I'll try one more time: I am now closely reviewing all new AfD nominations. If you or anyone else nominate articles for deletion on grounds that I disagree with, I will contribute to those discussions. Do not attempt to threaten me, and do not post further messages on this subject on this talk page. Any attempt to do so will be deleted without further comment. --Gene_poole (talk) 11:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
AfD SM Lifestyle Center
I'm baffled by your comment on this AfD. I looked in Mandarin and couldn't easily find reliable sources. Moreover, it's a small mall by SM standards: it turned out to be one-quarter of the originally estimated size, and their smallest mall in China. Was the language in my Merge comment confusing? Matt's talk 10:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- My comments supporting retention of a discrete article on the above subject refer to the prior comments of Blanchardb and Edison, which suggest that citable sources about the mall exist, and that the mall itself is the largest in the district in which it's located. --Gene_poole (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Space music
Hi Gene, I think in dealing with this article we need only deal with the obvious outstanding content issues. If what you say about said editor is true, I would personally avoid engaging in any debate other than that which relates directly to policy, and the manner in which this article deviates from stated guidelines. I was threading softly becasue I realise the points I'm raising will seem contentious to some. I haven't looked at all the published sources cited, other that the 10 pages dedicated to 'space music' in Lanza (1994) but that was enough for me to see that there are some glaring omissions and many inaccuracies in the article. I wasn't aware of the HOS radio program before seeing the article but having looked up the website I now see it is a commercial operation, this automatically undermines all of the cited material taken from this site - it was already problematic insofar as it is self-published. I think a drastic cutting back of citations and removal of synthetic material is inevitable. I would suggest waiting for further responses to the tagging before taking action. Semitransgenic (talk) 20:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- OK well I can see this is a somewhat sensitive issue then. The way I see it, that is, relative to my understanding of how various genre definitions have evolved, inaccuracies exist in the article, the historical assessment is somewhat muddled, and I now understand the point you make about the HOS influence. This is going to be messy. Semitransgenic (talk) 22:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well I had never heard of this HOS show, but in the UK & Europe 'space music' is the English translation of 'kosmische musik' which is interchangeable with 'krautrock', I would refer to what HOS are doing as largely 'New Age music' at least judging by some of the music they are endorsing. Semitransgenic (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Gene, it seems your assessment was correct, my WP:GF efforts were wasted. Said user bluntly refuses to deal with the content dispute in a constructive fashion and seeks only to lower the tone of proceedings with juvenile taunts. Would you mind offering your opinion here so user:Will Beback can get an idea of the pattern of behavior on the 'space music' article. I suggest we move forward by posting on WP:NORN, WP:RSN and WP:RFC. Do you have any suggestions? Semitransgenic (talk) 04:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Gene, in an effort to try and move things forward, would you be prepared to put your differences with Milo aside so we can all try and tease out matters relating to the HOS source? I am suggesting the first step be a WP:RSN posting before editing continues. If we could begin some kind of civil discussion on the talk page that would be a positive step, how does that meet with you? Semitransgenic (talk) 22:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- OK thanks, lets see what comes of this, hopefully we can hammer something out that we are all be happy with. Cheers. Semitransgenic (talk) 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- PS. In the past, has there been any attempt at mediation or any posting on a content related notice board regarding the article? Semitransgenic (talk) 00:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Gene, in an effort to try and move things forward, would you be prepared to put your differences with Milo aside so we can all try and tease out matters relating to the HOS source? I am suggesting the first step be a WP:RSN posting before editing continues. If we could begin some kind of civil discussion on the talk page that would be a positive step, how does that meet with you? Semitransgenic (talk) 22:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Gene, it seems your assessment was correct, my WP:GF efforts were wasted. Said user bluntly refuses to deal with the content dispute in a constructive fashion and seeks only to lower the tone of proceedings with juvenile taunts. Would you mind offering your opinion here so user:Will Beback can get an idea of the pattern of behavior on the 'space music' article. I suggest we move forward by posting on WP:NORN, WP:RSN and WP:RFC. Do you have any suggestions? Semitransgenic (talk) 04:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well I had never heard of this HOS show, but in the UK & Europe 'space music' is the English translation of 'kosmische musik' which is interchangeable with 'krautrock', I would refer to what HOS are doing as largely 'New Age music' at least judging by some of the music they are endorsing. Semitransgenic (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)