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The new Popular pages system is almost complete. You can now request projects to be added here. You can now edit project configuration (list page, assessment category, and list size) using the request tool. Assessment and importance data is now available on the data viewer. The tool to graph data for single pages is now available.

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Popular pages

Hi there, I was wondering if it would be possible to sign WikiProject Ohio up for your article popularity bot? Our banner is {{OH-Project}}. If you need any other info please let me know. Thanks! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

{{talkback}}§hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering what page the bot will be editing? That way I can put it on my watchlist and let the project know when the bot runs. Thanks for your time. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It'll probably be Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ohio/Popular pages. I'll hopefully be able to run it this weekend. Mr.Z-man 00:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Paleo and Dino

Thanks!! :D Abyssal (talk) 00:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamma knife

Took a second look. You are correct. Restored. -- Alexf 02:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Previous block mentioned at ANI thread

Would you have time to comment at this ANI thread and give the background to a previous block you made on an editor whose current block is being discussed? Carcharoth (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

copy of speedy deleted article

yes, i'd like a copy of The instru-mentals emailed to <email removed> (click the 1) so I can create it better in the future(maybe in a few months or so.) thanks! Estemshorn (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Email sent, note that the band is unlikely to be worthy of inclusion any time soon - see WP:MUSIC. Mr.Z-man 07:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Secret Weapon

Mr. Z-man, I remade my userpage and it is an exact copy of the one you deleted. Go ahead and keep on deleting my userpage but it will not work because I've got a secret weapon with me. Patches1998 (talk) 22:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

And blocked. Hersfold 22:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused

User is indefinitely blocked. Wasn't it for users not indefinitely blocked? Milton jon WordBomb up 05:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk pages for users blocked as sockpuppets are generally kept for tracking purposes. Mr.Z-man 17:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleaning man

I like to clean things. Would you consent for me to clean your talkpage of annoying spaces? That 'secret weapon' one looks rather odd, do you tend to get a lot of oddballs lately? Tyciol (talk) 06:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

As long as its not blatant vandalism or something offensive, I generally leave it. The archive bot will pick it up in a few days. Mr.Z-man 06:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

AFD of Development history of the Final Fantasy series

You recently closed an AFD on this article as "keep" and I was wondering if you could take a look at my reasoning here and see if a DRV is justified. I feel that the arguments made for keeping the article didn't take into consideration certain facts about the duplicated content and a fresh set of eyes reviewing the content would result in a more informed decision. Thanks, Axem Titanium (talk) 06:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

If you want to take it to DRV, that's fine, but I do not believe there was consensus to delete it. If I thought it was even close, I would have closed it as "no consensus." Several people disagreed that the duplication was a problem. Mr.Z-man 16:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually there seems to be a bigger discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Eight_featured_articles_to_be_demoted. If you'd like, you should drop a comment over there. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorrentino

Hey, I'm actually the subject of the article. Thanks for protecting it but would it be possible to revert to the actual correct version, the one that doesn't state that I'm a drunken adulterer and list three or four books I never wrote (or thought about writing, for that matter), etc.? Much obliged... CS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trc1 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed Mr.Z-man 03:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

refToolbar

Hello. Do you mind temporarily unprotecting your refToolbar subpage so that I can correct a typo in it?--Just Plain Brittish (talk) 10:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Temporary user pages

I noticed you deleted this temporary user page. I had never heard of the term before so I followed the link you left. When a page is left over for a blocked user to contest their block, I am sort of curious about how long they are given to do so? Tyciol (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The pages are generally deleted after a month or more with no edits (in this case it was about a month and a half). Note that just because the page is deleted does not mean that they cannot recreate it to contest the block. (Though given the block reason/blocking user, the proper appeal method for that particular block is to email arbcom). Mr.Z-man 04:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleted page

Hi, i just found you deleted the page Patareni. The band is notable, it is the first grindcore band in Croatia and then Yugoslavia. The most influental Slovenian magazine wrote about noise music and you can read there about legendary noise group from Yugoslavia Patareni - . There are many articles about this group and that is certainly a claim of notability. They are well-know in many countries as Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia etc. Please can you re-activate the article or nominate it again? Thank you! Patashnik (talk) 03:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

If you think the decision to delete it following the discussion on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Patareni (2nd nomination) was wrong, you can list it on WP:DRV. If you think you can recreate the article in a way that addresses the concerns on the AFD discussion, you may do so. Mr.Z-man 03:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for an explanation. Please can you move the old (deleted) article to my userspace? I will improve the article, add references and links to coverage in third-party sources. Sourcing to relaiable sources will show that the band meets WP:MUSIC. Patashnik (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

refToolbar.js for wikEd

Hey Mr.Z-man,

I have adapted your refToolbar script for wikEd, you can find the compatible version on User:Cacycle/refToolbar.js. Changes include:

• Moved refToolbar div from before textarea into toolbar div
• Correct fixed toolbar heightdefined in common.css line 12 to auto
• Removed wikEd test
• Copying wikEd rich text editing field to standard textarea before getting text (see User:Cacycle/wikEd#Making_scripts_compatible_with_wikEd)
• wikEd overrides the insertTags function in edit.js with an equivalent compatible version, so no change was needed here

I have tested it under Firefox 3.0.1 and MSIE 8beta. It would be great if you could put the compatibilized version online. Thanks, Cacycle (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to look it over. Mr.Z-man 16:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Great. It also works under Opera 9.62. Cacycle (talk) 23:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yobot

Hi. Can you check Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 3 once more. I think I answered your question. I am waiting for approval more than a month. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

{{delimitnum}} and {{val}}

Z-man, I’ve been conversing with Werdna (perma-link to discussion thread here).

There are two templates, {{delimitnum}} and {{val}}, that delimit numbers (add narrow spaces) in values like this: 6.0224438467(40)×10 kg. Unfortunately, both these templates must rely upon math-based techniques and both suffer from unpredictable rounding errors. For instance, coding {{val|0.29872813|e=-23|u=kg}} produces 0.29872813×10 kg (note the …29) but adding 2 to the value, {{val|2.29872813|e=-23|u=kg}} produces the correct 2.29872813×10 kg. Note that this was extensively discussed here on WT:MOSNUM and received broad support on both there and at WT:MOS.

I had told Werdna that all we needed was a character-counting parser function  to use in these templates. Such a parser function would continually be asked the following question: “are there five or more remaining digits in the string?” If so, move over three more digits, add a space, and ask the question again. Details are at bugzilla:15677 and a detailed description of its functionality is here. He responded that the developer community discussed this request and apparently didn’t want to set a new precedent of creating new parser functions as it risked encouraging more such requests. He suggested that he might be able to write an entire magic word but had to back away from that offer, citing that too much is on his plate right now. He suggested I contact you or Mr.Z-man. I thought I would start with the first name on his short list: you.

Can you help in any way? Whereas it would be nice to see an easier-to-use template as is described in bugzilla:15677, looking at the number of articles that currently link to {{val}} and {{delimitnum}}, it would probably be better, if we were going to just make one template, to just re-write {val} with the character-counting capability. All it needs is to not choke on big numbers and not have rounding errors. The best outcome of all, would be to have both delimitnum and val. Greg L (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Z-man? If you don’t have the time to do this yourself, could you please suggest a developer who might be willing to? Greg L (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I left a comment on the bug report. I may or may not have time to do it. Or rather, I'm sure I'll have time to do it eventually, though not necessarily soon. Your best bet is to try to find someone in the #mediawiki IRC channel, though if I have the time, I'll take a look this weekend. Mr.Z-man 03:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for your thoroughly-thought-out response. What about just writing a character-counting parser function? Could you do that? The two editors responsible for delimitnum and val would be happy as a clam to use such a parser function in those two templates. All the template needs to do is ask of this new parser function the following question:

“Are there five or more digits remaining to the right (or left) of the decimal marker?”

“If yes, take away three more characters and ask the question again.”

All the remaining details regarding formatting the value can be left up to the template author (who will presumably make it conform to a consensus view after a lot of debate on a talk page somewhere). In the case of delimitnum and val (en.Misplaced Pages) all they do is add commas to the left of the decimal marker (counting characters to the left) and add span based gaps to the right. Greg L (talk) 04:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S. The {val} template is used extensively here on Kilogram, which recently achieved GA status. It’s just that the val template has to be used with extreme caution because of its bugs. This will be a quite popular tool if it can be fixed. Greg L (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The Extension:StringFunctions extension has some functions that might be able to do some of that. It seems to still have some kinks that need to be worked out before its installed on Wikimedia projects. Mr.Z-man 05:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Should I run this by the guy who made {val} to see if it’s too buggy to use? Do you intend to look into this some more? Greg L (talk) 06:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• If all you need is the ability to count characters in a string and split the string into substrings, that extension would work. The extension works, most of the problems on the bug report seem to be performance-related and poor coding. The request to install it was first filed in June 2006, the likelihood of it being enabled pretty soon is pretty slim. Mr.Z-man 17:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Is there a way it can be temporarily enabled for limited use with these delimiting templates to see if it works well enough? Would you be able to do that? Greg L (talk) 23:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• No. It would need to be reviewed by Tim or Brion before its activated on any Wikimedia site. Mr.Z-man 02:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

reference toolbar

Hello, can you help me import this tool to the Tagalog Misplaced Pages? The discussion is here but you might prefer to talk with me in my talk page.--Lenticel 01:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

yobot 3

I do not understand why you approved a change as major as the deletion of the BD template without requiring a wide discussion of this on appropriate project message boards. The result is that its operator has done vast destrucition in biography articles, by substituting a clumpsy (though techncially correct) combination of birthdate, deathdate and defaultsort for a very neat brief and easy-to use template that is very suitable for the biographies of historical persons. If it causes problems when information is missing, then certainly its use should be banned. However the template is clearly a popular one with editors and should not have been changed in thsi cavalier way. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)