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November 29

Template:Location_map_USA_North_Carolina

I had a go at trying to fix the template used in this article but without success (I used Template:Location_map_Alabama as an example). Has anyone any idea what's wrong with it? --Lo2u 01:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a problem. Could you be a bit more specific, please? — neuro 08:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it was fixed shortly after I posted that, with this edit, but thanks.--Lo2u 13:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Collapsible boxes

I would like to have a few boxes on my user page that can collapse (be hidden until is selected). I can't seem to find a template or an HTML tag to help me. Can you point me in the right direction? Thx! ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 03:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• There's several ways, but one of the simplest is to use "collapsible collapsed" in the heading of a table.

• Another Method is this:

This method uses divs instead of table syntax. You can display some text here, and then have the user Click Show to display additional text.

I like this method best.

-- GateKeeper @ 05:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Super awesome. I also like your favorite box. Thanks!! ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 07:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

And there is the template {{hidden}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 08:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Spelling

On most UK-related articles, I see US Spelling. Why is this? 78.150.156.0 (talk) 09:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you give us some examples? Also see WP:ENGVAR. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 09:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• Either someone missed it, or someone changed the spelling without knowing the rules. Please give some examples so we can take a look at it. - Mgm| 10:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops on upload

I meant to upload an image of myself on Commons, but accidentally did so on Misplaced Pages. What do I do? (Or should I do anything?) Thx! ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 10:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• Putting something on Commons means it can be used in other Wikimedia projects. Unless you plan on registering for other wikis like another-language wikipedia or something like wikiquote, or wikibooks, there's nothing you really need to do. Otherwise, request speedy deletion for the image (just mention it was a mistake) and reupload on the commons. - Mgm| 10:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I'm already unified on all Wikimedia projects. I may want to use it later. Thanks! ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 11:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

postal and zip codes for the U.S.A. and Israel.

Pls what is the postal zip codes for the U.S.A. and Israel. Pls answer now Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.199.144.164 (talk) 11:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

This page is for Misplaced Pages related queries. You might want the reference desk. — neuro 13:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Neuro's right, but the brief answer is: there are many. See postal code. --Fullobeans (talk) 14:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Template for citing British Library catalogue

I have needed to cite a couple of books (see talk:Shepton Mallet (HM Prison) which, due to age, do not have ISBN numbers. I can find them listed in the British Library Integrated Catlogue but I cannot find a template that allows me to reference their entry in the catalogue. There are templates for Library of Congress catalgue references (template:LCC and template:LCCN). Is there such a template or, if not, how do I create one (I am not very technical)? Thanks. Dmvward (talk) 12:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding cropping a cc-by-2.0 image

Hey I was wondering if it is ok if you had a image on Flickr that was cc-by-2.0, but cropped it to remove unwanted things on it? Rvk41 (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• You can. Just upload it under a different name (in case someone prefers the older version), give attribution to the original image and don't change the license. - Mgm| 15:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Assuming it doesn't have an 'nd' (no derivatives) clause attached. See Creative_Commons#Types_of_Creative_Commons_Licenses - Mgm| 15:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Late LateShow Template (Ireland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:The_Late_Late_Show on this template, te first section is titled 'Presenters - and is further defined by'Animals' and 'Humans'. On the human side are the actual presenters of the show, on the animal side is the owl that is a feature in the show's intro titles. This page should be under a section called others or something along those lines, which the absurd animal section deleted. Im not confident enoughin mytable editing abilities to attempt this so I'd appriecate any help in getting this done. Syferus (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see how the owl is a presenter, but yes, I have never watched the show, so I'm not really informed enough to make a decision on that. — neuro 16:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

New branch of fitness science

My question is how do I introduce this new science at Misplaced Pages?

I am a structural engineer who had knees that were nearly useless. For several years I tried using the principles of building and construction and leverage to drive the resistance to my core mobility muscles doing their running motion, without loading these forces through my knees or feet.

After perfecting this in water (while wearing a life jacket) I realize that I had stumbled over a science that is not precisely recognized yet.

"Fitness Engineering" does not look at human body generically as does Human Physiology. It is a science of engineering joint and weakness bypassing devices that receive muscle effort and full motion range before their forces would enter joints, then return most (if not all) of the resistance to the motion and effort only to the effort applying muscles to strengthen them. "Human Physiology" often prescribes leg joint overloading exercises to little old ladies in walkers to increase their heart and mobility power.

Fitness Engineering designs devices that bypass their worn out joints to allow far more effort and range from, (and up to hundreds of times more external resistance to return only to) their big body muscles and hearts, allowing their body muscles and hearts to become and stay very strong despite worn out leg joints, balance disorders or motion debilitations. Without exception all of today's cardio and mobility strengthening exercises and devices still drive all of the exercises forces through joints, where they eventually to suddenly wear out or break them down, even on very powerful bodies.

Because modern fitness exercises drive far more force through joints, they eliminate millions of people who are too old, obese or physically disabled to walk stand or swim from having real exercise methods that can massively strengthen their body cores and hearts. Because there may be nothing wrong with their core muscles and hearts beside a weakness elsewhere, Fitness Engineering, is the new science of keeping muscle strengthening forces only where they are needed, nowhere else.

Like all real engineering sciences, Fitness Engineering is also a product constructing science as it develops devices that bypass the weak links of our bodies to allow our muscles to face motion resistance through their fullest range motions. Other sciences like Bio Mechanics and Bionics may seem similar to Fitness Engineering as aspects of all three cross over, but aspects of structural engineering cross into all sciences that deal with any form of physical matter that is affected in any way by gravity. Bio Mechanics is not a product developing science as it is a study of what nature has already engineered.

Bionics, like Fitness Engineering successfully concludes with a working physical product attached to the body; however bionic products do not differentiate between enhancing what the body already does, or could do with its own power. Bionics produces devices that add new or unnaturally enhance abilities beyond what nature provides our bodies.

Although the products of Fitness Engineering may have other uses that provide advanced or unnatural abilities, they are all primary designed to strengthen parts of individual bodies that modern joint overloading methods cannot, or only lightly reach. Fitness Engineering will always first focus muscle effort and resistance forces focused on specific muscles, with new devices or methods, however they are not limited to only doing this.

For Example a new device we have utility patents pending we trademarked as Lower Body Oars, can massively strengthen the hearts and core mobility muscles of millions of severely disabled people, and almost instantly cure the atrophy that plagues their stationary bodies, painlessly. However this same device can also provide athletes and swimmers with a new way to competitive speed race their bodies through water, under their own power.

There could be a debate as to Fitness Engineering being a branch of Bionics, because all of our announced device designs are body attached, however this is not an absolute aspect as we have also designed devices that do not attach. Likewise our first products are used in water but that is also not a prerequisite for Fitness Engineering, as we have plans for dry land and even outer space fitness devices. Many of these just increase the particular muscle strength and or range for the motions of a specific sport, activity or occupation.

Again my question is how do I introduce this new science at Misplaced Pages?

PS. You can watch a video of Body Oars working at bodyoars.com or a short musical version at Youtube.com by searching "Body Oars" there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Paddleman (talk • contribs) 17:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

If it's something you can up with - you don't, We don't publish original research. If it's something that people have published about in text books, scholar texts, articles in major news sources, then we have have an article on it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Misplaced Pages is an encyclopædia, and as such, is not an appropriate place for introducing new scientific ideas. The appropriate place to introduce new scientific ideas is in scientific journals. Get a few papers published, and then a Misplaced Pages article might be appropriate. Algebraist 17:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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How can I type this symbol: | using a standard keyboard? It is sometimes irritating to have to select Wiki markup and then click on the thinnest symbol when I use it so often! Thanks. --DerRichter (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

SHIFT + BACKSLASH. Right above the enter key, there should be a key with \ and something that looks like ¦. The ¦ will type a |. Calvin 1998  19:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

||||||||||||||||| haha yes. That will save me so much time. Thanks. --DerRichter (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Reflist does not appear

Hi. I've put together a little stub, necklace splitting problem. But the ref list does not appear for me, even though I have references in the article and {{reflist}} at the bottom. It did yesterday when I last added some material. What gives? Robinh 20:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

A hidden comment started with <!-- has to be closed with -->. Fixed. Algebraist 20:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Ach! Of course. Thanks, algebraist. Ironically, the reason I was trying to edit the article this evening was to remove the hidden comment. Best wishes, Robinh 20:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Why does my signature (which I type using four tildes) appear as plain text, while everyone else has a clickable username? This happens in the sandbox too. Robinh 20:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Because you told it to. You can change your signature at Special:Preferences. Algebraist 20:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Well you live and learn. Thanks! Robinh (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Using foreign characters in an article

Can anyone offer advice on typing foreign characters from a standard English keyboard and operating system? Does it have anything to do with UTF vs. 8 bit characters? I recently edited the page hyung and I believe I erased all of the foreign characters, but I cannot tell because they all appear as question marks on my screen in the first place. Thanks. User5802 (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

You need to install the right fonts to be able to read articles with foreign characters, and to able to edit them without damage. Have a look at Help:Multilingual support. Algebraist 21:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much Algebraist. User5802 (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

You are right that one of your edits changed many foreign characters. Another editor reverted it. If you view the diff without the right font then you probably see red question marks on both sides of the diff, but there are only real question marks on the right side. I accidentally deleted special characters (mainly in interlanguage links) on a couple of pages long ago when I edited some pages in an old text editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup I modified the article again once I had the proper fonts installed. User5802 (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Media-Wiki question

Which is the Media-Wiki page for the "" that appears under the title -- CD 22:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Tagline. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

November 30

How do I delete my account?

My mother is furious because I created an account without permission. What is the deletion process? Grader12 (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Due to the fact that Misplaced Pages content is licensed under the GFDL, all edits must be kept for attribution purposes, and so your account cannot be deleted. You do, however, have the right to vanish, which you can exercise by (1) requesting your user page (found at Special:Mypage) and/or user talk page (found at Special:Mytalk) be deleted, by adding the {{db-userreq}} template to them; (2) requesting to change your username to something that is unconnected with you (possibly a random collection of letters and numbers); (3) never logging in to your account again. If you do this, you may not register a new username to continue editing Misplaced Pages as invoking your right to vanish is final. Woody (talk) 02:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

"Right to vanish" is mainly about the right to make a dramatic exit. If you simply stop editing, the same effect occurs, except you don't make a final, self-aggrandizing statement as you go out the door. If your mother doesn't want you to continue to edit Misplaced Pages, don't. This is a voluntary project, and if you just stop editing, no one is going to come to your house to make you start up again. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe your mother is making a mistake. I believe the collaborative editing model of Misplaced Pages represents the future of work in the liquid fuels constrained world you are about to inherit. The sooner you learn to edit on Misplaced Pages, and to understand how Misplaced Pages manages to organize the efforts of millions of volunteers without an organization, the greater your competitive advantage will be over the bulk of people who don't yet get it. Also on Misplaced Pages, you have the chance to interact with some of the smartest people you are ever likely to meet - a privilege many parents spend heavily to buy temporarily for their children by sending them to college. On Misplaced Pages you can have something similar for free. Editing on Misplaced Pages has some risks, of course, but millions of parents accept the far greater risks inherent in sending their children to college. I hope your mother will read this, and if she has any questions, I invite her to pose them on my talk page. --Teratornis (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Just in case there's been some kind of misunderstanding as to what a Misplaced Pages account involves - it basically boils down to the fact that your edits can be attributed to a single identity, rather than an IP address that could change. The only reasons I can imagine a parent might get upset about creating an account would be if they thought it (a) involved some kind of financial factor, or (b) would expose you to unsavoury types. As for (a), having an account neither costs nor earns you money (except in terms of lost productivity), and as far as (b) is concerned, no more than if you hadn't registered an account, although you would be wise to not reveal too many personal details anywhere on the internet if you think the wrong sort of people might see them and use them against you. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

How do I Link to image page without embedding the image?

How can I add a link to an image in the text of a page (such as talk page) without embedding the actual image? If I use the syntax "]", I get the embedded image, , as I would expect. I'd like to insert a blue link such as this image that links to the image page. I know I can use a fully qualified html link, but is there a wiki image link syntax for what I want to do? -- Tcncv (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Add a colon like this: ] — Sebastian 03:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Tcncv (talk) 03:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Subcats don't show up anymore after piping

A while ago, I added "|use" to "]" in Category:Energy use comparisons. This category showed up earlier in Category:Energy, but now, instead of showing up under "U", it's gone. Am I blind, or what's wrong here? (The same happened with at lease one other subcat.) — Sebastian 03:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I see it in the category. Note that category sorting is case sensitive and it's under "u". PrimeHunter (talk) 03:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, duh! I must have taken that for another "µ"  ;-) Thanks! — Sebastian 04:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Tom Murphy (Titan News Television Founder)

Tom Murphy (Thomas David Murphy) was born April 5, 1987 in Salem, OR. He was a student at West Salem High School in Oregon in which he was a co founder of "TNT" also known as Titan News Television in the Spring of 2003. Tom Murphy encountered complications with the student Leadership club the fallowing year with TNT and decided to leave its production to Student Chris Zigenhagel of Student Leadership and decided to spearhead a monthly show named "PTV" also known as Promethean Television. Tom Murphy was working within his Newspaper publications class alongside Lucas DeWilde on PTV under the supervision of Video Production teacher Grant Huhn and Newspaper teacher John Divelbiss. PTV would go on under student Lucas DeWilde after Tom Murphy graduated in 2005.Tom Murphy volunteers at Capital Community Television which is a subsidiary of Comcast. Tom Murphy is currently working towards a film and video bachelors of arts degree and still resides in Salem, OR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomxmurphy (talk • contribs) 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you are wanting to create a biography of person who may not meet Misplaced Pages's notability guideline; most people are not notable enough to have an article on Misplaced Pages. Articles must demonstrate the notability of the subject, citing to reliable sources which verify their content. —teb728 t c 08:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I hope Tom Murphy will find some time during his meteoric rise to small-screen stardom to read the friendly manuals on Misplaced Pages. The similarity between the username of the original poster and the subject of the biographical snippet suggests this is the start of an autobiography, in which case the O.P. should read Misplaced Pages:Autobiography. Actually, meteors typically fall rather than rise, and tend to burn out or explode within a few seconds of becoming visible, but I like the metaphor despite (or perhaps because of) this. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

do an article

What I have to do if i want to add my link that is relevant to the Business Research article that is speaking about routine e-mail and memos, my link is http://routinemails.weebly.com/ so i tried to to link it to it but it didn't work. i created an article but also didn't work. please i need help because i need to know what is the good way to add the link about routine e-mail messages and memos please help in this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comm 212 8 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Your edits, Special:Contributions/74.57.17.11 and Special:Contributions/Comm 212 8 were reverted by a bot and by two different editors. Please take time to review our external links & spam guidelines, and take note that Misplaced Pages is not a repository of links, not a directory, nor an advertising service; amd when you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid linking to a site you are connected to. —teb728 t c 07:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Two articles on the same subject

EE Times and Electronic Engineering Times appears to be about the same subject. I would merge them, but I don't know which one of those names the article should be under. --Silver Edge (talk) 07:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Have a read of Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (abbreviations)#Acronyms as words in article titles; I'm sure you're more familiar with the topic than I am. :) — Manticore 09:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It would appear from the mag's website that it is most commonly known as "EE Times" so I would merge Electronic Engineering Times into EE Times, then redirect the former to the latter. – ukexpat (talk) 16:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Uploading a PD photohraph

I have prepared an article, and I want to add a couple of historical photographs (public domain and commons. I have spend hours and hours in Wilipedia and Commons trying to work out how to do this, but am in treacle. If I can be directed to an upload template for Wikidedia, I will upload the pics and if anyone wants to delete them, OK. Uploading to Commons seems unnecessary, and extra steps.Mav62 (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's the upload page: Special:Upload. Cheers. Chamal 11:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Or you can use Misplaced Pages:Upload, which gives more details if you're not familiar with the image policy. I suggest you use that one. Chamal 11:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• Uploading at Commons works the same way as uploading to Misplaced Pages and doesn't take much extra work (assuming you know how to set up an account). However, if you upload to Commons, the images can be used on all Wikimedia Projects instead of just the English Misplaced Pages, which is worth any hoop-jumping as far as I'm concerned. - Mgm| 11:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

What is an insecure admin account?

I noticed admins User:RickK and User:Zoe were blocked because they had an insecure account. Their userpage shows that their account has been indefinitely blocked as it has been compromised. They themselves reported about it at the admin's noticeboard (long time back).

So what is an insecure account and how is it compromised? --KnowledgeHegemony 14:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

An insecure administrator account is simply an account in which the password has been cracked (usually because of a weak password) or given out. It's a bit like if a normal Misplaced Pages account is compromised, but if someone gets into an admin account (or any type of passworded account); but a lot more damage can be done to Misplaced Pages with the +sysop flag. Both of these users left the project some time ago and were emergency desysopped; they probably didn't know about the compromise, and the accounts have been blocked to prevent any further abuse. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

(Just as a further note) It wasn't themselves who reported it; it was another person using their account. Apparently both users had the same password. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --KnowledgeHegemony 14:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

FA nomination

Where do I go to nominate an article to become a featured article? Unless, of course it must be noticed by an administrator first. -- A /_contribs 14:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it doesn't have to be nominated by an administrator. See the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates. See also the Misplaced Pages:Featured article criteria for what FAC reviewers look out for. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• Don't forget to dig up who did most of the work on the article you want to nominate and see if they agree it's ready. You don't want to nominate it while they're still working on it. Also, Nominators are expected to fix issues if they come up. You will probably want to have back up helping you address issues. - Mgm| 15:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! -- A /_contribs 16:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyright rules

A new user has added a GNU copyright notice to the bottom of an article (Claudia E. McCarthy) he created. Although I have been editing for a couple of years now, this is the first time I have seen an explicit copyright notice in an article. Does this agree with Misplaced Pages's copyright policy? How should this be handled? Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• All the articles are covered by a single copyright page. One shouldn't be explicitly put in an article. - Mgm| 19:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

ask question about certain subject

I am new to this and don't understand what you mean when you say "sign question using a certain mark, where do I find the mark.

next is where can I ask a question about a certain drug?

thanks

This mark is the tilde. You will find it on your keyboard to the left of the "enter" (remember to hold shift + ~) button, and four tildes signs your name, like so: ~~~~. Alternatively, there is a link to the four tildes below the save button, to the right of "Sign your posts on talk pages:" Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

On some Dell keyboards in the US, the tilde is on the upper left of the keyboard, just left of the "1" / "!" key. Truthanado (talk) 19:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

and it's a real pain in the arse to access on many mobile devices - which more and more people are using every year.... --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be interesting to know the percentage of Misplaced Pages edits made from mobile computing devices, particularly from the smaller ones. My guess would be that anything with a small screen is best for merely consuming pre-packaged information, rather than the type of reorganizing we do on Misplaced Pages. When I edit a Misplaced Pages article, I might open a dozen browser tabs, to view sources, other articles on Misplaced Pages, and Misplaced Pages's internal manuals. Even on a desktop computer, there is no such thing as too much display space for this kind of work. --Teratornis (talk) 05:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Sign#How to sign your posts. It walks you through how to sign posts on talk pages. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

And see Help:Edit toolbar, which describes this handy signature button which I will demonstrate by clicking the one in my edit toolbar right now: --Teratornis (talk) 23:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

As to the drug question, you can ask on the Reference desk, but first read Misplaced Pages:General disclaimer and Misplaced Pages:Medical disclaimer. --Teratornis (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Changing a article title

I have created a page for the person W. Ian Lipkin. Unfortunately, Misplaced Pages automatically uncapitalized his last name and removed the W., ruining the page completely. This turned the page into Ian lipkin. I would like it if this were dealt with, but your instructions on changing an article name are wrong (even using an account older than 4 days) and so I cannot change the article name.

How can this be dealt with?

 Done I moved it for you. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

changing category titles

I want to change Category:UNO Mavericks football players to Category:Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks football players. How do you do that? DandyDan2007 (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

December 1

I am new,,,

Hello,

How do I create an article?

sorry for that question i am just new here...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carl526 (talk • contribs)

Before creating an article, please search Misplaced Pages first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. – ukexpat (talk) 02:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox U.S. legislation

Hello - I'm trying to clean up {{Infobox U.S. legislation}}, and cannot figure out how (a) suppress the header "Legislative History" and the white space below the header unless at least one of the parameters is provided, or (b) how to suppress the header "Major amendments" unless |amendments= is provided. Can someone with more template savvy than I fix this? Thanks—G716 <·_C> 02:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The relevant code appears to be here (I inserted some line breaks to keep it readable):

! colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#BBDDFF;font-size:100%"|
{{#if: {{{leghisturl|}}}|<span class="plainlinksneverexpand">
</span>|Legislative history}}

Review Help:Parserfunctions#.23if: to refresh your memory on how the {{#if: ...}} works. As you can see from the end of the code snippet, the "else" part of the "if" condition is: |Legislative history}}. That is, if leghisturl is undefined, you get the "Legislative history" heading with no external link. If you want to hide the heading and everything under it unless at least one member of a set of input variables has a value, maybe you could use an {{#if: {{#expr: {{{variable1|}}} or {{{variable2|}}} or ... {{{variableN|}}} }} | all the code you want to appear | else do nothing }}. (I haven't checked this so I could be wrong. Read Help:Parserfunctions and maybe look for some other infoboxes to use as examples.) I suggest experimenting on a user subpage such as User:G716/Sandbox. Template coding experiments rarely work right on the first try, so it's best to get through the errors on a sandbox copy of a template, rather than destroy the production copy of the template. --Teratornis (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Monobook code

Is this code importScript('User:Smith609/toolbox.js'); safe to use? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 05:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've added it myself, and there doesn't seem to be any problem so I guess it's safe. You can ask from User:Smith609 if you have any questions about the script. Cheers. Chamal 05:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Username Change Unfulfilled

I requested to change my username, but my username has yet to be changed. I'm wondering if my request didn't go through or something. Please help.

User112008 (talk) 05:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• You only posted this question under your username, so either it didn't go through, or you wanted to change another username you didn't tell us about. What username do you want to change? The open requests are at Misplaced Pages:Changing username - Mgm| 05:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Purging

I am experiencing a purging problem that is not local to my machine. I have recently edited {{Illinois State Senate}} so that #14 should be in bold when on his page, but it is still behaving like a redirect in the template. This is just one example of purge problems I have been having. Another is at WP:GAR where I nominated 2008-09 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team earlier today and I can not yet see it at GAR although I can see in the transcluded page includes it. What is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I spoke with a technical support person on the other side of the world about my purging and he also could not see the bolding that was intended.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I see both, so I would assume the problem is that it got stuck in the mw:job queue for a while. Have you tried clearing your browser cache? Calvin 1998  07:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking it was my browser cache, but someone on the other side of the world who had nothing in cache saw what I saw. What acts do you suggest for clearing my cache though?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. although I now see Jones in bold, I still can not see the page at GAR.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I don't see it either. Must be stuck in the queue. — neuro 09:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

It is not stuck in the queue because I can see it at User:VeblenBot/C/GAR.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't change anything, the bot reads raw data. — neuro 17:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

O.K. Here is another annoying example. At Template:CA cities and mayors of 100,000 population I have made two copyedits that do not appear when the template is transcluded at various pages such as Sunnyvale, California. I received a complaint and told the person I changed the template, but it does not show.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

External Links to Commercial Websites

Is it alright for commercial websites designed solely to sell merchandise to be linked to from an external links section of a Misplaced Pages article. 71.113.88.249 (talk) 08:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• No. Allowing one website to be linked would make other businesses think it's unfair they're not linked and cause a whole slew of links to be added to competing companies. External links should point to information, not products. Misplaced Pages:External links shows what the policy is. - 131.211.211.68 (talk) 08:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Santa Claus/Father Christmas

Should these articles make a bit clearer from the outset whether father christmas/santa claus is real or not. thanks 79.75.225.71 (talk) 12:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Who do you think is coming to these articles with the idea he's real and upon reading any length is going to be confirmed in that thought? What problem does this address? The second sentence in the lead for the first begins "The legend may..."; the second paragraph of the latter starts "The symbolic personification of Christmas as a merry old figure..." I don't see the issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

"Father Christmas is a name used in many English speaking countries, for the gift-bringing figure of Christmas. The same figure with the same name exists in other countries (in that country's language), such as France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Romania (Romance countries). The character is similar to, and in some places such as Australia and the UK, interchangeable with Santa Claus. Although "Father Christmas" and "Santa Claus" have for all practical purposes been merged, historically the characters were different."

no mention in that lead summary. perhaps it should start by saying something like Father Christmas is a fictional character.... ?

Father Christmas is not a fictional character in every sense, he is more a personification. I can imagine such a lead being disputed. — neuro 14:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

This should really be discussed on the article talk pages. Personification is probably a good term for this; fictional is problematic, as ther is some historical basis. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 15:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Unfair and unbalaced contributions

Sir,

If I find inaccurate and unfair comment concerning individuals how can I have such contribution withdrawn from the site?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdad300 (talk • contribs)

See WP:BLP. You can remove the information yourself, but if it is contested, request input. :) — neuro 14:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Citing annual reports

Misplaced Pages:Citation templates

Which template should be used for citations of SEC filings? -- Zanimum (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

It it is normally issued as a published report, then {{cite paper}} would be appropriate. Do note that this would be considered a primary source. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 15:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Dynamically requesting wikipedia content to include in another site.

Hello,

I am wondering where I can find information on how to get wikipedia content dynamically. I have a web site that has local pages "city_name.domain-name.com" and I would like to include wikipedia content on those pages.

For example, if the page name was atlanta.domain-name.com I would like to display a widget of content from the wikipedia page on Atlanta, GA : http://en.wikipedia.org/Atlanta,_ga .

I have seen web pages (hotpads.com) / applications (Vicinity app) that do this but I am not sure how they have accomplished it. For example the iPhone application Vicinity seems to grab wikipedia content based on my current lat/lon location. How does it do that? Is there an wikipedia API or something?

Please forgive me if the answer to this question is glaringly obvious.

Regards,

Travis

See mw:API and WP:REUSE. – ukexpat (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Need help Changing IP address to User Name

I edited history of an article, forgetting to log in. My ip address is in history of edits and I wish to replace that IP address with my User Name for security purposes. Please provide procedures for doing this. Thank you. DimeaDuzn (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)DimeaDuzn

Unfortunately, that is not possible. Once an edit is made, it is impossible to change the username/IP address that made the edit. TN‑X-Man 17:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Moving a page

Hi,

I tried to move a page from the name "Boris Uspensky" to a new one "Boris Andreyevich Uspensky" (the full name of the person), because I have opened another item with a person also named Boris Uspensky (full name Boris Aleksandrovich Uspensky)

I read the instructions, they seemed simple, just press the tab "Move". But I cannot find the tab anywhere ??????

Can I ask an administrator to make the move ?

Thanks,

Allan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamborg (talk • contribs)

Only autoconfirmed users are able to move pages. Your account is over 4 days old, but you haven't made more than 10 edits yet, so you are not quite autoconfirmed. Until you become autoconfirmed, you can request that a page be moved at WP:RM. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

In this case, using a disambiguating title for your second article is probably better than moving the first one to use the full name. Take a look at WP:DISAM. I would suggest leaving the first article - Boris Uspensky - with its current title. Then give your second article a title including a disambiguating description in parentheses. You can then use the appropriate hatnote on each article, to point to the other. Alternatively, move Boris Uspensky to a disambiguating title, create the second article with its own disambiguating title, then edit Boris Uspensky (which will now be a redirect page following the move to a new title) to turn it into a disambiguation page as described at WP:DISAM. Contact me on my talk page if you need help with any of this. – ukexpat (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the appropriate hatnotes to each page, so I think we are OK with respect to disambiguation. If articles are written about other people named Boris Uspensky, we can go the disambiguation page route. – ukexpat (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Interpage diffs

Is there possibly some tool to compare diffs between pages? -- Mentisock 17:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you want to compare diffs of 2 separate pages, or simply compare the contents of 2 separate pages in a diff-like view? Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 17:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Most likely the former (but anything helps...) -- Mentisock 19:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Katt Williams

Can somebody with a vandal fighting tool go cleanup Katt Williams under the section about his life, please! HairyPerry 17:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you tell us what is wrong. :) — neuro 18:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

When I say look under life, its pretty self explanatory when it says "Katt Williams was born gay and he married Nick Cannon..." and "Katt Williams started being a gay comedian..." You know what I mean? :-)— Preceding unsigned comment added by HairyPerry (talk • contribs)

That vandalism was reverted by you and the page semi-protected by User:Ioeth. If you still see it, try bypassing your browser cache and/or purging the page. – ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Seeking approval for Pete Snyder article

This is an article I have drafted and posted to my user subspace. In preparation, I have carefully followed WP:NOR, WP:BIO and WP:BLP among other applicable guidelines. Because I have a financial interest in the subject (i.e. he is my employer), I would like an uninvolved editor to review the article as I have written it and move it, approve me to do so, or offer feedback on how it could be improved before asking for admittance to the mainspace again. Let me know, and feel free to check out my user page for more about my editing activities. Thanks. NMS Bill (talk) 18:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The article looks good; it is well-written and well-sourced. I recommend that you move it into the article space yourself. You may want to leave a note on the article's talk page with information similar to the message you left here. Cheers! Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 18:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. If he is your boss, you may wish to get a picture of him - I will add an infobox in in a minute, hopefully you won't mind. — neuro 18:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for your quick comments. Feel free to add the userbox and/or move it, otherwise I will do so shortly. I don't have a photograph yet, but that's a great idea as well. Thanks again. NMS Bill (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

When you do take a photo, please upload it to Commons so it can be used on all Misplaced Pages projects. – ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

somthing wrong with display of a page

The page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Search?search=Ghrelin&go=Go

is having display issues, but related are not. The display issues make the page hard to view.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to mention this.

I don't see any display issues. Was there something specific to which you could point? TN‑X-Man 18:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Just confirming, it looks fine to me too. Tested in the latest Minefield build. — neuro 18:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

putting ref tags in a hidden article section

A while ago I remember seeing momentum behind the idea of being able to but ref tags in a hidden section at the top of an article. The rationale for this was to make it possible to edit an article and add citations without having to worry about a ref tag getting deleted if someone chose to delete the paragraph that contained it.

Did anything ever become of this idea? If not, does anyone know of any links to Talk pages that refer to this issue? dr.ef.tymac (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing

When you leave the template {{uw-canvass}} for a user who's been canvassing on the Reference Desk rather than users' talk pages, how do you change it to say "Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on the Reference Desk to notify of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote."? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

There isn't a way to change the original template. You can however, subst the template, then go back and change it. Or, you can add a second pipe at the end of the template and a personal note. (like this: {{uw-canvass|Canvassed discussion|Personal note}}). Cheers! TN‑X-Man 21:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 21:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

How do I?

Become a Misplaced Pages editor?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Snoopygray (talk • contribs)

You already are! :) Feel free to be bold and start editing pages! Welcome to Misplaced Pages. GlassCobra 22:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

But if you really want to know how to become an edi- I AM KIDDING I SWEAR! — neuro 17:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Open All Hours table looking odd

Hi

OK first time posting here so go easy!

Was trying to edit this page to add a character to the cast list:

Open All Hours

The only thing is that the cast list table is looking all off. The cast list goes right past the episode paragraph and definitely doesn't look right. If you look at the page, you'll see what I mean.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Snoopygray (talk • contribs) 08:03, 2 December 2008

I've had a look at the page and I can't work out what's wrong with it. Any idea how I can fix this?

Should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! GlassCobra 22:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) When you (I assume that 82.206.170.146 is you) tried to add the entry to the table, you removed the |} which marks the end of the table. I have undone your series of edits to fix the table, so if you want to re-add the entry try to keep it in this time, ok? For more on tables, you can read Help:Table. For more on editing in general, there's Help:Editing, Misplaced Pages:Your first article, Misplaced Pages:Editor's index to Misplaced Pages, and Misplaced Pages:Five pillars. All of these are good things to read before you really dive into editing (except for the index, which is more of a handy reference page). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2

Is there anything else that I should be doing?

This user keeps putting the same image back into an article. The image is tagged for deletion. Is there anything else, besides giving vandalism warnings, that I can be doing? Dismas| 03:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I blocked User:Reality Maker for 24 hours for edit warring. His refusal to take the matter up for discussion, and his use of highly incivil language in his edit summaries were compounding factors in his block. Any admins reading this can feel free to review my block as apporiate, but this editor needs to take the matter up at talk pages and not to edit war. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the block but not with the vandalism warnings. The user's edits were dismimprovements but they not vandalism; vandalism is intentional disimprovement. This user was just stubborn. —teb728 t c 04:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I agree with TEB728's assessment. One should not use templates if the templates don't apply. They exist for the convenience of leaving a repeatable message; but if the message does not apply, we should not use the templates. There is no reason not to just type the warning out yourself if none of the templates work. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Writing and Making an article

how do i create an article on here. i can't seem how to figure out how to make one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxnightmarexbeforexx (talk • contribs)

See Your First Article for some helpful tips. May I recommend that you don't create any new articles for a while? Give yourself a month or so to play around with existing articles and get to know Misplaced Pages, both the culture and the technical aspects of editing, BEFORE diving off and creating a new article right away! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

When an article's name has changed for a different category

How do you handle a case where, in my case, a TV show's name has changed over time. It is listed by that name in TV Shows of the 1950's, but the name had changed by 1960. So its name listing in the 1960's TV Shows catagory is not really correct, since it apparently must be the same as the article's name. Is there a pipetrick or some way to modify the name displayed in the newer category?

Thanks! RadioBroadcast (talk) 04:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Just do the following in the subsequent articles: ] which will display only "alternate name"... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

• You can move the article to its new name and start the new article with: "X formerly known as Y).- Mgm| 05:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

If you want it to actually appear in a category under a particular name, I think the only way is to create a redirect under the alternative name (which would probably already exist as a legitimate search term) and categorise the redirect page. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Page

I was wondering if you could get me the text from the deleted pages http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Masters_%28Group%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/Master_Plan. I made them as a joke to my friend a while back and we were talking about them and wondering what I had written. Thanks.-SaigonTheDon (talk) 04:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

As they were hoaxes the answer is probably "No". – ukexpat (talk) 05:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I know it is possible to get the text back, I am just asking if someone can get me the text back because it is of personal value to me. It would not be used again and I would like to just have the text. Per the deletion policy it says you are allowed to receive the text of the deleted page on your talk page.SaigonTheDon (talk) 05:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

It says administrators have the prerogative to restore text that may someday have value to the encyclopedia. It is a limited right to restore good-faith, but currently substandard, attempts to improve the encyclopedia. Admins in general don't restore material if it has no potential to be used to improve the encyclopedia. Since you admit that the material was a joke, and has only personal value to you, there is little compelling reason for us to preserve it. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I think he's just asking for a copy, not for them to be actually restored. If he has an email address associated with his account then any admin could simply email him the text. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 18:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

An RfA

What should a user need to successfully pass an RfA, in general? -- MISTER ALCOHOL 05:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' reading list. – ukexpat (talk) 05:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, see examples of successful and unsuccessful RfAs for an idea. — neuro 17:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

server information access fail. please ask help desk

server information access fail. please ask help desk— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.95.164.171 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a question? Algebraist 08:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

About Wikimapia

Please tell me something about wikimapia, how it functions, whether it's a part of wikimedia group or not.

WikiMapia uses the same Mediawiki software that Misplaced Pages and many other wikis use, but they are not affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation. See our article on WikiMapia for more information. GlassCobra 10:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

And see our article about the Wikimedia Foundation. --Teratornis (talk) 20:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there a sandbox-type-thing that has footnotes when a reference is cited?

Is there a sandbox-type-thing that has footnotes when a reference is cited? The Sandbox does not seem to support citing reference like a real article does. There are no corresponding footnotes and nothing happens when I click on the superscript number. The same thing for a user subpage. I am as yet unable to find a way to see whether the cited references are appearing and linking as I expect them to.Veecort (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict)Footnotes work when a reference list is added to the page. This is done under a section ("footnotes", "notes" or "references" etc) with the template {{Reflist}}. The reason the sandbox doesn't work with footnotes is probably because you haven't added the reflist template; after it's added, footnotes will automatically appear under that section. See also Misplaced Pages:Citing sources. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 13:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

photos.

Hello...

My user name is soitiz and I have been using the sand box as practice (been saving for the real artical as can't be doing with re typing it) but I am having problems up loading photo's, I'm not actualy uploading photo's I will be using in the actual artical but I did not think that would matter as its the sandbox, any way I took the photo's myself so I own all copy right and they are not lewd photo's in the slightes they are of a party that I did so I dont understand, I have been trying to work this out for days now an it's got to the point were I now need HELP!! So any help will be much appreciated.Also beffor I loged on and learnt about useing the site properly I had a bit of stuff deleted due to spamming (I did not understand the full meaning of the word till then) and basicly he deleted anything to do with soitiz, there was a part in the acid tehno section refering to how the free party scene went slowly up north (which is true) went a bit like this techno free party scene is slowley moeveing up north withe crews like NTA (northen techno allience) and soitiz doing parties all over sheffield and manchester.SOITIZ is run by a good friend of mine who hia know hung up his promoting parties to setting up a site www.soitiz.info (which is whate the write up is about) to promoting techno over the web by a non profit site just letting peole know up to the day (mostly) everything new that is to do with techno (basicaly a techno info tool).Any way I realised what spamming ment after being bloked for 24 hours (even tho every link I put up directed you to the correct part of the site i.e. minimal techno, acid techno etc etc as you have sections on all these styles of techno so I thought it would be relavent (nence how i learnd what spamming ment...lol..).Any way I was hoping you cold or get some1 to retreive it as I would be extreemly greatfull as the post was not actualy about soitiz the forum it was the original party crew so when my mate who runs soitiz saw it on your site he was WELL CHUFFD to say the least and I got it deleted due my not understandig wikipidea fully, hence why it would be great if you could retreive the data..

Thnaks..

Ben... AKA soitiz - Soitiz (talk · contribs)

It looks like you're currently trying to link to the images directly from your hard drive. You need to use the Upload file link in the box labeled toolbox along the left side of your screen. --Onorem♠Dil 14:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

See also: Misplaced Pages:Uploading images. --Onorem♠Dil 14:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Hello there. Uploading media is done through an interface called Special:Upload, which is disabled for new and unregistered users. If you wish to upload photos here, you may do so after four days and ten edits with your account. However, if they are free, and you own the copyright, I ask you to upload them at Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia's central free image depository. You only need to create an account to upload images there, so you don't need to wait for four days. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

He is already autoconfirmed, according to this. He should be able to upload now. Chamal 14:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I read account creation date incorrectly, oops. :) Thanks for pointing that out, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Help deleting a page

I'd appreciate it if an administratior would please delete Jubilee USA (television program). I have moved this page to Jubilee USA (TV show) to make that page name consistent with the disambiguation names of other TV shows, so the first page is no longer necessary. ThanksRadioBroadcast (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The redirect can be kept as it documents a page move. There are no issues with that redirect, so it won't need to be deleted. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Also when moving pages, please make sure you don't create double redirects - they do get fixed by a bot eventually, but better not to create them in the first place. – ukexpat (talk) 14:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Using requests for comment in an Arbitration Enforcement case

I'm involved in an arbitration enforcement case which really needs the opinion of uninvolved editors, on the subject of a topic ban for a user with potential conflicting interests. I know that requests for comments can be used in article talk pages as well as user talk pages, but is it appropriate to do so for arbitration enforcement sections? ←Spidern→ 14:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

captcha

I'm interested in knowing which captcha extension you use for creating an account. I can't find any that work with my setup (server) and version of Mediawiki (1.6.10)

According to Special:Version we use mw:Extension:ConfirmEdit. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Login Problems

Hello, Thank you for your response. I did try to reset the password but it says my account was never set with an email address...which is not correct because I put an email address on for it.

Thank you!

<mail redacted>

Have you tried resetting your pass? — neuro 17:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What is your username? (email it if you don't want to reveal it in public). That will help us investigate further. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 17:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

My username is jerushamichael.

The account is not locked, but you have not set an email in your preferences. Therefore the software will not be able to send you another password. I'm afraid the only alternative is to get another account, sorry. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Volatile Works

Hello - I am wondering if it is possible to remove the tags at the top of the page entitled Volatile Works. The page was created in good faith with little experience of Wiki-Ethics. Now that I have gone over the guidelines and revised the page to include sources from third-party publications, as well as footnotes, I was wondering if the tags can come off? In the future, Wiki-Ethics will be maintained at all times. Thank you for your time.

Marioscido — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marioscido (talk • contribs)

IMHO it's not ready for the tags to come off though I did change primarysources to refimprove. It still reads like an advertisement and needs to by copy edited in to comply with WP:MOS. I made a start, but it needs more work. – ukexpat (talk) 19:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The lead section begins with some rather stilted art-crowd cant which would probably confuse a general audience as I had to work a bit to decode it. It may be fashionable in art circles to invent new words for ordinary things, but when writing encyclopedically we choose words that are understandable to the most people. Please read WP:LEAD and WP:PEACOCK (in particular, the purpose of an encyclopedia is to inform the readers quickly, not to impress them with flowery language but to let the facts about the subject speak for themselves), and study the examples of Misplaced Pages's best work in this topic area: Misplaced Pages:FA#Media. Misplaced Pages's featured articles have come through the heaviest scrutiny and provide concrete examples of what it means to comply with Misplaced Pages's complex and sometimes abstract policies and guidelines. Note that the User:Marioscido account has but 118 edits, which is a bit light for creating new articles from scratch, especially about subjects with a possible conflict of interest. This is not to discourage anyone from trying, but simply to point out that because Misplaced Pages is unlike anything most people have used before, considerable experience is often necessary to understand what to do. By analogy, I have absolutely no experience with filmmaking, so one can imagine my first attempt might be wide of the mark. But the only way to master Misplaced Pages's do it yourself craft is to read the friendly manuals, study the work of experts, listen to criticism (always in abundance here), and keep trying. It's easier to learn Misplaced Pages by editing existing articles which are also being edited by other more knowledgeable users, so one can study what the other editors do to one's own edits, and rely on the other editors to provide most of the structure. It's much harder to create new articles from scratch, because then one has to understand every single component of what makes up an acceptable article. --Teratornis (talk) 20:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of posting your excellent reply on the article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 21:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sound sample box

User:Tezkag72 and I are about to nominated Tragic Kingdom as a featured article. However, what's happened recently is the sound sample box has pushed the text down. The text used to just fit around the box. Now it looks awkward and I want to get it back the way it used to look. It might even just be my irritable computer/internet. Could someone please hit it with a hammer try to fix this problem as I have no idea what's wrong? Thanks. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer Contributions} 21:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

When researching your problem I noticed that the {{sound sample box align right}} and {{Sample box end}} are now deprecated (superseded) in favour of {{listen}} so using the new template may fix your problem. – ukexpat (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

December 3

Journalistic

What's the template that should be used if an article is written in a journalistic style/obviously copied from a news source? Or should it just be deleted or something? Petero9 (talk) 00:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

See Template:Copyvio. You can use that template or any of the ones in the see also section according to your need. If it is a blatant copyright violation it must be deleted under WP:CSD criteria G12. Cheers. Chamal 00:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

How??

How do you set up a wikipedia page for someone? This is not easy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.201.10.75 (talk) 00:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Please see Your first article.

1. Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
2. Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article
3. Find references
4. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
5. Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
6. Click 'Create this page'
7. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
8. Be aware that Misplaced Pages deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones You might also want to read WP:BIO. Cheers. Chamal 00:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Templates not updating?

User:TonyTheTiger made some edits to a whole bunch of cities, to add references to Template:CA_cities_and_mayors_of_100,000_population, which all was fine. But I noticed that the text being displayed for those links, for instance at the bottom of Sunnyvale,_California contained poor English ("in the California", for instance). So he fixed that text on the template. It displays correctly on the template page now, but not in any of the references on the cities' pages (look for the blue external reference at the bottom of any major CA city's page referring to 100k population). Why didn't these get updated as part of his change? Is there a lag involved because of pages needing to be rebuilt? Jokeboy (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• If templates are trascluded, you need to WP:PURGE your browser cache, so your browser loads a fresh copy of the template. - Mgm| 01:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
  • That the page needs to be purged is not a proper solution because this is a problem for persons who do not have cached versions of the page stored. This is a different problem unrelated to purging. See my thread above on the same issue.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Mgm gave the right link to WP:PURGE but described it wrong. Purging is not about the browser cache. It is about Misplaced Pages's own cache. Purging an article fixes the problem, but don't purge all those articles for this detail. The articles are placed in the job queue when the template is edited and they will automatically be updated at some time. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• Oops. - Mgm| 08:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• • • • Great, that worked just fine, as expected. Now a related question. Is there a way to do a mass purge of all pages that refer to a common template? Or is the only option to wait until the servers update all of the pages on their own? Having to go and manually purge fifty pages just because of a minor template update is annoying. Jokeboy (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
  • You could see if there's a bot that does it, although I'm not sure how exactly to look for it User:PurgeBot does not exist. - Mgm| 08:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Restore logs

How come when searching through the logs of admins, there is no option to search for restore logs? Every other log can be searched except this. Can one be made? 137.154.73.31 (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the log of page undeletions? They're listed in with the deletion log - for example, "15:42, 3 December 2008 Skier Dude (Talk | contribs) restored "Image:The Hudsucker Proxy Movie.jpg" ‎ (2 revisions and 1 file restored)". Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

electrical field

what is blackout? what are the causes of this blackout? how to prevent blackout?

Have you tried the Science section of Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Misplaced Pages. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Algebraist 02:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• You could simply try searching for Blackout which gives you several meanings to investigate. - Mgm| 08:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation Question

When citing a book that is on Project Gutenberg, should I cite it as a book or as a web site? Horselover Frost (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

since it's a book, i'd cite it as a book, no matter what it's about. Sssoul (talk) 07:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'd cite whatever it was you used. If you used an online version, I'd cite the specific version I used, since digitized copies of a book can contain errors the original didn't have. - Mgm| 08:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hayley Williams

To whom this may concern,

Hello, my name is Marvin Smith and I am an avid fan of the band Paramore. The lead singer, Hayley Williams does not have a Misplaced Pages page, instead it gets directed to original Paramore page. I believe that she deserves her own page because she is a rising star in the music industry being rated the "Second Sexiest Rockstar," in the new Guitar Hero game and has a prominent role on the hit film Twilight's Soundtrack. Is there any I start a new page because I have recently opened a new account. This has been bothering me for a long time.

Regards,

Marvin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fueledbyhayley (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 December 2008 — Fueledbyhayley (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

see Chamal's reply here: WP:Help_desk#How.3F.3F Sssoul (talk) 07:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation Needed

Several awards listed on the Mr. Rogers page say "citation needed," nearly all of which could be taken care of in one fell swoop. The problem is, well, me. My computer skills are...Actually, I don't have any. I tried to add the link several times, but had too quit because my brains tried to make a break of it out of frustration. I don't know if this request is something I'm allowed to make. If it isn't, apologies...blame my squishy brain.

The web address for the link is:

http://cdn.emmys.tv/awards/halloffame/hofarchive.php

Can I ask if somebody could pop over to the page and add the citation? I read all the instructions (more than once, sadly)but I'm not kidding or trying to be disingenuous. I'm about as computer literate as a baby three day before birth.

Thank you kindly- GoingBonkers (talk) 07:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)Shannon a.k.a. Going Bonkers

I've fixed the reference you were trying to add; the simple way to do this is to add <ref> abc </ref> around what you are adding as a reference (with the abc part being the actual reference). I also added some other information to it, which is usually done but not required, such as the access date and publisher and so on. WP:Cite has more information on this if you want it. AlexiusHoratius 07:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The three basic instruction pages you need are WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET. Mastering footnotes on Misplaced Pages is not simple. Could we make it simpler? Maybe, but nobody seems to know how to make Misplaced Pages simpler to build while maintaining Misplaced Pages's status as one of the world's most popular Web sites. Becoming the best in the world at just about anything skill-based is rarely simple. For example, it was not simple for Michael Phelps to win all those gold medals. He has a lot of talent, but he also had to put his whole life into his training for the past N years. Similarly, it is not simple to become a musical virtuoso, nor to start the company that becomes the next Google. If Misplaced Pages ever does manage to make it simple for new users to create featured articles, that would probably imply that computers had passed the Turing test and humans were on the way to becoming obsolete. Assuming you are human, you should probably be glad that learning to edit on Misplaced Pages is still difficult. Once computers are smart enough to make this job truly effortless, I doubt computers will still have much need for people. --Teratornis (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

access of links

I am a student at Northern Arizona University. I am on finals week here and am trying to review for a anatomy final. I tried to access some links, diagrams and pictures that said i must request in order to view. They were in the restricted place. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

• It would help if you gave some article titles, but based on what you said, I suspect you're talking about redlinks - articles or other material that hasn't yet been created. - Mgm| 08:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Another possibility is that the questioner is {{Astray}}, perhaps confusing Misplaced Pages's article about Northern Arizona University with some Web site associated with that subject. A university Web site could well have the kinds of access restrictions the questioner refers to. On Misplaced Pages we don't have any "restricted places" when it comes to article content. There are some restricted features that only privileged users such as administrators can see, but this has no relation to article content. The behavior the questioner describes does not sound like Misplaced Pages, it sounds more like a university site. --Teratornis (talk) 21:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Changing from an anonymous edit to my user name

Hi - I changed this page http://en.wikipedia.org/Peter_Tobin but didn't realise I wasn't logged in (I'll blame Google Chrome :)

I would like to change the anonymous edit I did into my user name. Is this possible?

Horrgakx (talk) 11:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of would be to undo the edit and redo it while logged on. Seems really unnecessary though. Unless you're referring to an edit on a talk page which you haven't signed while logged on. If that's the case, just log in and sign after what you typed. Best, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You may not want to do that. Occasionally, an editor will be logged out without recognizing it and post to a discussion, thus their IP shows as their signature. After the editor realizes this, they may log in and replace the signature. This may not be a good thing, as WikiScanner now trawls the database looking for these replacements and logs them at Poor Man's Checkuser. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  - 12:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

language link

there are two articles that are the same but one is in english and the other in spanish.. how do i make the english/spanish link appear in the language box of each article? thanks Johnwilen (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I trust you mean that one article is on the Spanish Misplaced Pages while the other is here on the English Misplaced Pages. Assuming that, you would go to the Spanish version, click on the "edit this page" link, scroll all the way to the bottom of the article and put in ] (replace the "ARTICLE TITLE" with the actual title of the English version's title. Then go to the English version and do the same except this time, you'll use "es" instead of "en". For more on this, see Help:Interlanguage links. Dismas| 11:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

thanks!! Johnwilen (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Dutch names

How to pronounce(IPA) the Dutch mathematicians Jan Arnoldus Schouten&Albert Nijenhuis(in Schouten-Nijenhuis bracket)?--刻意 12:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You'd probably be better off at the Language section of the Reference desk. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 12:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion.--刻意 13:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

how do i reference a journal cited in wikipedia

I am writing a paper which calls for me to reference the DSM-IV-TR for the definition of the word conduct disorder. This journal (DSM) is not avail online and I don't have access to a copy of it. Misplaced Pages references this journal in its definition of conduct disorder. How to I properly cite in my paper that I'm using Wik's reference to DSM? Must use APA style.

Take a look at WP:Citing Misplaced Pages. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you checked your library? If they don't have it they may also be able to request a copy of the pages you need. RJFJR (talk) 19:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Our Conduct disorder article does a rather sloppy reference to the DSM-IV-TR. Someone who has read WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET should edit the inline reference to follow the proper Misplaced Pages footnote style. The reference you refer to appears to be:

• The diagnostic criteria for Conduct Disorder (codes 312.xx, with xx representing digits which vary depending upon the severity, onset, etc. of the disorder) as listed in the DSM-IV-TR are as follows:

There is also a DSM-IV Codes article. Evidently you are asking how you should cite the DSM-IV-TR codes 312.xx section which gives the diagnostic criteria for Conduct Disorder, using APA style. Are you writing this paper for schoolwork? If so, you should ask your instructor about whether you can cite Misplaced Pages - many college professors mark students down for citing encyclopedias. Since the DSM is such a major work, it must be in almost every large library, so if you can't find a copy of the codes 312.xx section online, you could look it up in the paper copy at your library, see it with your own eyes, and cite that. Also see our APA style article. You might get some help by Googling:

• DSM-IV-TR citing with APA style

That finds a bunch of clues, including:

• The Writing Center » How to Cite and Reference the DSM-IV-TR

--Teratornis (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to the day when the APA embraces copyleft, puts the DSM under the GFDL, publishes it online, and adds a new disorder to the DSM: the propensity to hoard information, which is clearly antisocial behavior. The APA currently suffers from this disorder. --Teratornis (talk) 21:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

How do you add a request for Rollback? HairyPerry 16:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions has all of the instructions. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could approach any administrator. Up to you. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 16:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the instructions on what to do, could somebody help me, please. HairyPerry 17:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, which part are you getting hung up on? TN‑X-Man 17:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The whole thing, I go to add the request, but it says I have to fill stuff in and I don't kow what its talking about. Something about copying and pasting that line I got that much, but what to fill in there I'm not sure about. HairyPerry 17:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

@HairyPerry: You did it quite well not even a month ago. :) You can add your request now just as you did it then. —αἰτίας •discussion• 17:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The one I remember putting in, it wasn't quite like that, I didn't have to make a template or anything, I just put in my re2quest like everybody elses. HairyPerry 17:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Simply add:

*{{Usercheck-short|HairyPerry}} (]) YOUR REQUEST ~~~~

here. —αἰτίας •discussion• 17:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind I got it, Thanks, HairyPerry 18:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The instructions in the comments of the page had been messed up a week or so ago. I went ahead and fixed them so this won't happen again. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 18:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary

Since Wiktionary is a sister project to Misplaced Pages would a link to it be considered an internal link or is it a separate entity? Copana2002 (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's technically an external link (as it links to a different website), but it falls under the same Wikimedia umbrella. So . . . both? For the record, you can type ] to produce definition of Sophisticated. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 17:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• I would consider it an external link, since we have special boxes for wiktionary links that are supposed to go in the external links section. - Mgm| 19:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Printing issue

Hello,

I am trying to print out the page that I made for the company I work for "CleveMed" and when I do print it out, the 2nd and 3rd page print out blank. I printed it yesterday and it was fine. Here is the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/CleveMed

Username is Dmalicki.

Thank you!

On the left hand side of every article under toolbox you will notice a feature titled "Printable Version". Click that and then print the page you want. Hope this helps!--intraining 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I have nominated it for speedy deletion as blatant advertising pursuant to WP:CSD#G12, so you may want to print it sooner rather than later. – ukexpat (talk) 18:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Page

I try to create Calgary And District Cricket League, and every time I do that its deleted, Its not advertisement of any type, is information for people, its a Sports thats been played in Calgary since 1908. I am not promoting any profitable thing. can I know why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadeem.altaf (talk • contribs) 18:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It has been deleted twice, neither time for being advertising: first in August 2007 as a copyright violation, second in September 2008 under WP:CSD#A1 as not providing sufficient context for the reader. If you wish to re-create it, please read WP:YFA, WP:N, WP:RS and WP:Spam to get you going. – ukexpat (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The article to which he is referring is actually Calgary & District Cricket League which was G11ed earlier today. Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 19:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, I was looking at Calgary and District Cricket League... – ukexpat (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hello,

I noticed that a page I created was deleted due to blatant advertising after I clearly made the article out to be NOT advertising related. What would you recommend me to do for the recreation of the page to get it posted properly? I want to be able to use the same name of the article as well, "CleveMed".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmalicki (talk • contribs)

It was nominated for deletion by me and deleted by OrangeMike. I also note that it was actually created by User:Jerushamichael. Even though it was not intended to be advertising, it read as if it was written by the company's PR agency. I would suggest that you re-create it as a user subpage first and have it reviewed by a few editors before it is moved to the mainspace. I have created a subpage for you at User:Dmalicki/CleveMed. Also please read WP:YFA, WP:CORP, WP:Spam and WP:RS. – ukexpat (talk) 19:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

And read WP:WWMPD. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that this firm is notable enough that it should have an article; but the deleted article was not that article. And the persistent efforts of this user (Dmalicki, formerly Jerushamichael before getting locked out; see query several paragraphs above this one) to have their name changed to CleveMed indicate a deepseated conflict of interest and a failure to understand our COI rules. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Adding images to articles

I'm sorry to ask so many dumb questions. I uploded 2 images that apparently did make it here. My questions are about getting the images into my article. Do I hit the part that says image gallery on the edit page? How would I type the command in for an image simply called Image: Slide 15? I tried to use the form that other images use, but the caption comes on, but not the image. Thanks Jim Jimmarsmars (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I see one of the images at Image:Slide15.JPG (note no space between "Slide" and "15" and JPG in caps), using similar logic, Image:Slide14.jpg appears to be an unrelated image. Did you get any error messages when you uploaded?. – ukexpat (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I did not get any error message.

OK further research reveals that they are both on Commons. The problem is that there is already a file on Misplaced Pages called Slide14.jpg. The problem would probably be solved by renaming both images with more descriptive names. – ukexpat (talk) 20:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to rename but did not know how or how to get to where I they could be renamed. Thanks Jim Jimmarsmars (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You received a welcome message on your Commons talk page with a number of links one of which deals with renaming. In any event, you have to re-upload the images, but make sure that on the upload form, you put the name you want to use in the "Destination filename" box. When they have been re-uploaded, you should then go to the old image pages and tag them for deletion using Commons' {{bad name|correct name}} template, replacing the correct name text with the new file name. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

If you find yourself asking a lot of questions as you try to do things on the English Misplaced Pages or on Commons, that means you haven't spent enough time reading the friendly manuals here or on Commons. The instructions for virtually every task you can need to do on these sites are in writing somewhere. It's normal to have a few questions, but to make much headway on a do it yourself system like Misplaced Pages (or Commons), you have to figure out how to answer most of your own questions, which means figuring out where to look up the answers. The first step is to read a lot of our manuals so you get a general idea of the jargon we use, and where things are. Then study the search tools we use to answer questions on the Help desk. Reading the manuals is analogous to sharpening the axe before you chop down the tree. The more time you spend sharpening the axe, the less time you spend chopping the tree. If it feels like you are trying to chop down a tree with a brick, then you need to stop trying to do things, temporarily, and spend a few days reading the manuals. That's what everybody who can answer your questions has done. Also read Flow (psychology). To achieve the pleasant sensation of "flow" (where you know what to do, and everything is clicking), you must first invest considerable effort to develop skill, by studying the manuals. Without skill there is no flow. --Teratornis (talk) 23:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I might add that tasks relating to images tend to be harder than tasks relating to text around here. I only recently locked horns with Moving images to the Commons, for example, and it wasn't the easiest thing to learn on Misplaced Pages. One problem is that I don't see any sort of sandbox for images where a person could test the various tools and procedures. The only way to learn how to manipulate images is to actually manipulate real images, so every mistake one makes will tend to "count." This reflects an underlying principle of computing: it's much easier for computers to deal with symbols than images, so our tools and procedures for processing text are just a whole lot better. For text operations, we have sandboxes and tutorials, not to mention that you can look at wikitext to see what other people did, but for images, it's a lot harder to get started. --Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for Work on Article

Where do I make such a request these days, now that the "expansion" list has been archived and more or less deactivated? Minaker (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Work by who, and on what article? Are you requesting that someone gives you work to do on some article that you don't know about yet, or do you want to ask someone else to work on a specific article you have in mind? Those are two different ways to interpret your question. On Misplaced Pages, needs tend to outnumber doers by a wide margin, so if you are asking for suggestions about work you can do, you'll have better luck than if you are looking for someone else to work on something that for some reason you are unable to do yourself. Misplaced Pages is primarily a do it yourself system anyway, so asking other people for extensive help tends to have a low percentage of quick success, although in the long run almost everything that really is important will probably get done. See WP:DEADLINE and WP:SOFIXIT. If there is an article that needs expanding, and you don't know how to expand it yourself, perhaps the simplest strategy would be to look for other articles that you do know how to expand. Pick the low-hanging fruit first. I've found lots of articles that are lacking sources, for example, and often good sources are but a {{Google}} search away. If you know how to make footnotes using citation templates, you can easily go around improving countless articles on Misplaced Pages. --Teratornis (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• You might have success at WikiProjects related to the article you have in mind. At least you'll find like-minded people there.- Mgm| 00:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Teratornis, to answer your question, I am looking for someone to expand the article on angels (my reasons are on that article's talk page). I can't do it myself, since I don't know enough about the subject. MacGyver, thanks for the tip. Minaker (talk) 06:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Much of the fun of Misplaced Pages is expanding articles one starts off knowing little about. Very little of what you see on Misplaced Pages is material that the authors could have written extemporaneously. What sort of research did you try for your question? --Teratornis (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that one should expand an article on a subject one knows little about. I'm not saying "never" but in general that doesn't seem like a good idea, leading to lots of opportunity for erroneous or incomplete information. I didn't do any research about the subject, to be honest with you. I just know that it's a relevant subtopic and deserves inclusion. Minaker (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:NPW

Hey. Whenever I try to use WP:NPW I am not able to log in and this message is displayed “Login Failed, please check your username and password, and that you are connected to the internet.” always. I do have the latest version of WP:NPW as well as the latest version of .NET Framework. I'm also on the list of approved users. Can anyone help? :( —αἰτίας •discussion• 22:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Probably best to ask for help at User_talk:Martinp23/NPWatcher. —Noah 00:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Adding images and refrences to sources outside of wikipedia

I'm in the middle of writing an article about Matthew Bourne's Nutcracker!, and the pages explaing how to upload images and make references to outside sources i find very difficult to understand! Can anyone give me a step by step guide to doing these things? Thanks! S.3e.37 (talk) 23:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added a template to your talk page which you may find useful; check out the tutorial under "Getting started." Misplaced Pages:Referencing for beginners also explains the basic of the referencing process, and Misplaced Pages:Citing sources/example style gives you some examples. Before uploading any images, make sure to thoroughly read our image use policy. In a nutshell, it says that you can only upload pictures which are in the public domain, taken by you yourself, or released to the public under certain, specific fair use policies. If you're not sure about the copyright status of your pictures, ask for help from a more experienced editor prior to uploading them. You can also check Wikimedia Commons for photos which others have already uploaded, or search the Attribution License and Attribution-ShareAlike License sections of flickr commons. I'd recommend you sign up for a Wikimedia Commons account and upload your pictures there; there's a fairly straightforward upload form.

Bear in mind that writing an article from scratch is the most difficult way to ease into editing Misplaced Pages, but if you're committed, great! Continue browsing through the various manuals (there are some good links three posts above this one) and, if you find that your head is spinning, consider being adopted by a more experienced user who can help you along. --Fullobeans (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Are you trying to write a new article entirely from scratch? That is a hard thing to do on Misplaced Pages. The number of things you have to know literally fill a book (Misplaced Pages - The Missing Manual). The easiest way to approach Misplaced Pages is to start by making small edits to existing articles, so you don't have to learn everything all at once. But if you are determined to write a new article, which roughly amounts to running before walking, and then fend off the deletionists, and you don't want to buy the book, you will need to read (at least) these friendly manuals: WP:LAYOUT, WP:LEAD, WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:NPOV. Learning and understanding all that material well enough to create new articles that "stick" typically takes months, even for smart people. It's much easier to tackle the steps separately, for example you could read WP:LAYOUT and then look for articles that don't comply with it. There are some new-ish articles that have the standard sections in the wrong order, for example (with the "See also" section after the "External links" and so on). Then you could read WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET, and learn how to make footnote references. There are lots of articles that have various ad hoc reference styles, which you can improve by editing them to proper footnotes with citation templates. Images are a whole additional nightmare of complexity, with difficulties of licensing, and whether and when to move images to the Commons, etc. It isn't humanly possible to grasp all of this stuff quickly, say in one day, unless you are smarter than anyone I've ever met. If you are that smart, I would like to hire you. I'm sure I'd think of some way to make money off of anyone who could learn this stuff in one day. Actually, I would just tell that person to make me rich, since he or she would know better than me how to do that. Of course if anyone was that smart, they would be smart enough to know better than to work for me, so this is purely hypothetical. --Teratornis (talk) 00:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

December 4

Changing information referred to between double brackets

I am going to create an article about a Patrick O'Brian novel. I would like to add the box above the categories that contains other titles, but first I need to add this novel to the list. I don't know how to access the titles. There are double brackets (these: "{") around the following text: PatrickOBrianWorks. Can anybody tell me how to make the double-bracketed text display the box contents so I can edit it? Thank you. Hammerdrill (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like you want to edit the {{PatrickOBriansWork}} Template? What novel do you want to add? —Noah 00:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you want to edit the template you can go to Template:PatrickOBriansWork and just edit it. But please be careful editing templates (use Preview!) as any change you make affects multiple articles. —Noah 00:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's called a "navigation box" or "navigation template." See WP:NAVBOX. You will have to edit the {{PatrickOBriansWork}} (note the correct spelling) navigation template. If you can't figure out how to do that, tell us the name of the novel you want to add to the navigation template, and someone here can add it for you. Another option is to add a comment to Template talk:PatrickOBriansWork stating specifically what you would like to add, and someone else who watches that template can add it for you. If you mess up the template, you can mess up every page that transcludes it, so this is kind of a high-risk thing to try if you have not done it before. Just be ready to revert your changes if you screw it up. Or better yet, test your edits by copying the template to a user subpage such as User:Hammerdrill/Sandbox where you can experiment with no risk. --Teratornis (talk) 00:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Fundraising Notice

Just a quick one: It seems to me that the software has been changed so that it is no longer possible to cover this up with a div. I know I can disappear it so I don't have to see it, but it would be nice if I could cover it up on my user and user talk pages.

If I am wrong in thinking this is no longer possible, do feel free to correct me :) Brilliantine (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You can remove the notice by enabling "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" in the Gadgets tab of your preferences. Cheers. Chamal 01:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I know (as stated in my question) just wondering if there was still a way to stop other users from having to see it on my User and User Talk pages :) Brilliantine (talk) 01:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, stupid me :) Sorry, but I can't help you there. Chamal 01:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Help with database dumping?

I was wondering if someone could help me, or point me to someone or somewhere that could, convert a database dump to multiple, non-treed base-raw html pages. I've already followed the somewhat bland instructions at Misplaced Pages:Database but never get quite the results I needed. I have http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20080724/enwiki-20080724-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2. I want to convert the uncompressed code (using ANY program) to multiple html pages. The equivalent of going to every page and clicking save:as... Am I missing something? Lostinlodos (talk) 01:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You may want to ask at Misplaced Pages:Village Pump (technical). Calvin 1998  02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Using WikiMapia Images on Misplaced Pages

I have searched the help desk archive and I can't seem to find anything on this. Can we screen grab Wikimapia images to use as satellite images of bays, urban areas, parks, geographic features, etc? How do they relate to WP policies and copyright? Nick carson (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The images on Wikimapia are from Google Maps. At the bottom of Wikimapia you'll see a link to terms of use, which provides statements such as:

"Google Maps is made available for your internal use only and may not be commercially redistributed" and "You may not delete or in any manner alter the copyright, trademark, or other proprietary rights notices appearing in map information, including photographic imagery" and " "Google Maps is provided under license by... and subject to copyright protection and other intellectual property rights owned by or licensed to..."

All this means to me that the content is completely incompatible with the GFDL and thus we cannot use it on Misplaced Pages as free content and using it would be a copyright violation. Of course, there is always fair use, but I don't think maps, which can be made or sought from other sources would likely qualify (though I should qualify by saying that this is not the heart of my Misplaced Pages expertise).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

In short, no, because the images are not licensed under the GFDL and I'm quite sure they wouldn't qualify for fair use. But if you can find them, imagery from sources such as NASA or the USGS should be copyright free, you could try that. Calvin 1998  02:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

bracket templates

How do I create my own tournament bracket templates? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.176.183.54 (talk)

It depends on what you're trying to achieve, the easiest thing to do would be to see if one has already been created in Category:Tournament bracket templates that you could use. If not then you can look at the code of some of those and adapt it to your needs. Nanonic (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

A problem on a discussion page

What exactly is going on here-? There seems to be a misguided person here. Any ideas on what to do of the mess?--Leif edling (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The mess on Talk:Euler's theorem does not follow the Talk page guidelines. It looks like a paste of some material from the Italian Misplaced Pages by an unregistered user. The original copy appears to be here:

• it:Misplaced Pages:Vaglio/Eulero

If you want to see that in Google English, use the {{Translate wikipedia}} template I recently created:

• Translate it:Misplaced Pages:Vaglio/Eulero to English

Interestingly, the page doesn't seem to make any sense on the Italian Misplaced Pages either. Could be an example of WP:NONSENSE. I doubt anyone (who matters) would mind if you deleted all that stuff and replaced it with {{Maths rating}} and {{Talkheader}} templates. If the user who pasted that material had a user page, you could userfy the material there, but if someone can't be bothered to create an account before putting garbage on an article talk page, I wouldn't see the need to feel any more concerned about that person's "work" than he or she is. --Teratornis (talk) 04:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It's been deleted. See Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines for information about when it's acceptable to meddle with other editors' talk page comments. You should of course use great discretion when editing others' comments, but if it's a case of obvious vandalism, nonsense, etc, be bold and remove it yourself. Cheers! --Fullobeans (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot operating

How to RUN the bot, this account will be an bot?? Roded86bot (talk) 06:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Beats me, but have you seen WP:BOT and WP:MAKEBOT? --Fullobeans (talk) 06:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, assuming you are the same person as 140.128.148.217, you may want to hold off on the bot and start reading through the links on your talk page to learn how to contribute constructively to Misplaced Pages. Remember that all your edits are recorded permanently in both the page history and your user contributions, so you should think carefully about your edits before you save them. --Fullobeans (talk) 07:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I have reported the user name to WP:UAA, because IMHO it is misleading, masquerading as a bot account when it is not. – ukexpat (talk) 15:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

User name now blocked. – ukexpat (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Advert

I want and wish wikipedia to open paying for advertiment, and wikipedia will be have more revenue to resolve currect financial crisis. 140.128.148.217 (talk) 06:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Perennial proposals#Advertising. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think Misplaced Pages itself is suffering much of a financial crisis. The fundraiser is an annual event and to me it looks like we're pretty much on target at the moment. The Goal only needs to be reached somewhere early next year. - 131.211.211.5 (talk) 08:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's time Misplaced Pages is sold off to a business (like google) that has the financial and technical capability to support this project. Misplaced Pages is held back a lot in it's current form.--intraining 09:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages is a non-profit organization for a reason. Selling it to a company would mean NPOV would be down the drain. Look at the mess that is Google knol. Everyone is posting like crazy to earn money. Duplicate articles galore and no cooperative editing. I don't want Misplaced Pages to turn into that.- Mgm| 11:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The sale of Misplaced Pages does not necessarily mean that policy's will change, What I mean is that change's we want to make but are currently restricted by weak servers (lack of funds) will be made. An example is the symbols in the edit function now have to be copy and pasted instead of just clicking it like it used to be.--intraining 11:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages always slows down before new servers are installed. It's no more than logical. The site still grows and until the new servers are installed, the existing ones will be strained. As for the "symbols in the edit function" What are you talking about? - Mgm| 12:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

When you click edit this page the symbols are located under the edit summary, They look like this, Symbols: ~ | ¡ ¿ † ‡ ↔ ↑ ↓ • ¶ # ½ ⅓ ⅔ ¼ ¾ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞ ∞ ‘ “ ’ ” «» ¤ ₳ ฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ ₢ $ ₫ ₯ € ₠ ₣ ƒ ₴ ₭ ₤ ℳ ₥ ₦ № ₧ ₰ £ ៛ ₨ ₪ ৳ ₮ ₩ ¥ ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ m² m³

Characters: Á á Ć ć É é Í í Ĺ ĺ Ń ń Ó ó Ŕ ŕ Ś ś Ú ú Ý ý Ź ź À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù  â Ĉ ĉ Ê ê Ĝ ĝ Ĥ ĥ Î î Ĵ ĵ Ô ô Ŝ ŝ Û û Ŵ ŵ Ŷ ŷ Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü Ÿ ÿ ß Ã ã Ẽ ẽ Ĩ ĩ Ñ ñ Õ õ Ũ ũ Ỹ ỹ Ç ç Ģ ģ Ķ ķ Ļ ļ Ņ ņ Ŗ ŗ Ş ş Ţ ţ Đ đ Ů ů Ǎ ǎ Č č Ď ď Ě ě Ǐ ǐ Ľ ľ Ň ň Ǒ ǒ Ř ř Š š Ť ť Ǔ ǔ Ž ž Ā ā Ē ē Ī ī Ō ō Ū ū Ȳ ȳ Ǣ ǣ ǖ ǘ ǚ ǜ Ă ă Ĕ ĕ Ğ ğ Ĭ ĭ Ŏ ŏ Ŭ ŭ Ċ ċ Ė ė Ġ ġ İ ı Ż ż Ą ą Ę ę Į į Ǫ ǫ Ų ų Ḍ ḍ Ḥ ḥ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ṃ ṃ Ṇ ṇ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṣ ṣ Ṭ ṭ Ł ł Ő ő Ű ű Ŀ ŀ Ħ ħ Ð ð Þ þ Œ œ Æ æ Ø ø Å å Ə ə Greek: Ά ά Έ έ Ή ή Ί ί Ό ό Ύ ύ Ώ ώ Α α Β β Γ γ Δ δ Ε ε Ζ ζ Η η Θ θ Ι ι Κ κ Λ λ Μ μ Ν ν Ξ ξ Ο ο Π π Ρ ρ Σ σ ς Τ τ Υ υ Φ φ Χ χ Ψ ψ Ω ω Template:Polytonic Cyrillic: А а Б б В в Г г Ґ ґ Ѓ ѓ Д д Ђ ђ Е е Ё ё Є є Ж ж З з Ѕ ѕ И и І і Ї ї Й й Ј ј К к Ќ ќ Л л Љ љ М м Н н Њ њ О о П п Р р С с Т т Ћ ћ У у Ў ў Ф ф Х х Ц ц Ч ч Џ џ Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь Э э Ю ю Я я IPA: t̪ d̪ ʈ ɖ ɟ ɡ ɢ ʡ ʔ ɸ ʃ ʒ ɕ ʑ ʂ ʐ ʝ ɣ ʁ ʕ ʜ ʢ ɦ ɱ ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ ʋ ɹ ɻ ɰ ʙ ʀ ɾ ɽ ɫ ɬ ɮ ɺ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɥ ʍ ɧ ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ ʛ ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ ɨ ʉ ɯ ɪ ʏ ʊ ɘ ɵ ɤ ə ɚ ɛ ɜ ɝ ɞ ʌ ɔ ɐ ɶ ɑ ɒ ʰ ʷ ʲ ˠ ˤ ⁿ ˡ ˈ ˌ ː ˑ ̪ Do these ring a bell? As for your server installing comment I think you do not really know what you are on about!--intraining 12:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? The clicking still works. Chamal 12:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I and many many other have to copy and paste, I read in this help desk a while ago that the cause is weak java servers or something like that I will try to find the question and get back to you.--intraining 12:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe browser differences? I'm using Firefox. Chamal 12:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I am using Firefox too, It even says Copy and Paste next to the symbols.--intraining 12:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm baffled. It works fine for me now, and always has. These symbols: ฿ÁΏЂףصɦ were all inserted by clicking on them. Chamal 12:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I am also baffled. I thought everyone had this issue - I need a beer.--intraining 12:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• It seems those characters are a browser issue. The reduced menu where you need to click the sort of symbol you want before clicking the actual symbol does not change the symbol bar for me. - Mgm| 12:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

About the advertising on Misplaced Pages issue, see Misplaced Pages:Advertisements and especially Misplaced Pages:Advertisements#Income from search tools on Misplaced Pages pages. --Teratornis (talk) 21:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Quick way of adding articles to your watchlist

Is there any quick way to add certain articles to your watchlist without having to click the watchlist tab on the article? For example if i wanted all the articles in a certain category on my watchlist this would really help. Is there anyway quick way to do this? Maybe a script perhaps or is it just a very long process? Thanks, advice appreciated Monster Under Your Bed 10:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

All I can suggest is that you edit your raw watch list.--intraining 10:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks but theres got to be an easier way. I am sure someone can make something up to speed it up. If there was a link on a certain cat. to add all the pages within the cat to your watchlist that would be great. Monster Under Your Bed 11:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Please read the above question for your answer:).--intraining 11:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Install navigation popups as a gadget in your user account (Preferences --> Gadgets, check the appropriate box, save, and clear your browser cache). You will then be able to add to your watchlist using the popup interface. – ukexpat (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

edit tag is unavailable!

Hi there I have made my very first Misplaced Pages edit, adding an original image file to the article on (http://en.wikipedia.org/Migraine_aura) Migraine Auras. The edit link for the main body of the page, where I would like to have placed my image, is directing me to the "see also" section. Each edit tag on the page seems to be linked to the section below it, resulting in no edit tag available for the top section. I have put the .jpg in the "see also" section but it looks funny there and I would love to put it at the top of the page where it belongs. Can you help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.211.3.106 (talk) 12:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You have probably clicked on the wrong edit links. The edit link for the whole page is on the top of the page (the edit tab). Use that link if you want to edit this section. There isn't a edit link to the first section (lead section) unless you're a registered user and have enabled that in your preferences. Edit links for every other section are in line with the section header, aligned to the right. Cheers. Chamal 12:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about removing false/unverifiable/defamatory information

Hello,

I'm the President of a small company that has a Misplaced Pages entry (Legitscript). Our entry has been vandalized with some inaccurate and unverifiable (because it's inaccurate) as well as defamatory information twice over the last couple of days. We removed the false and defamatory information, which simply cited accusations in blogs as the basis for facts.

Two questions: 1. The page now says that major edits to the entry (our edits) were put up with someone that doesn't have a neutral point of view. That's true, but our understanding is that it's permissible to remove false, unverifiable, etc. information about yourself or your own company. What is the best way to approach this? Surely, we aren't required to refrain from removing false information about our company. 2. Is there a way to prevent continued vandalization to the page? We certainly don't have any problem with anyone editing the entry with verifiable facts, but of course want to be able to remove information that is inaccurate (and being inaccurate, unverifiable).

Thanks very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jchkayaker (talk • contribs) 13:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The notice at the top of the Legitscript directs you to the conflict of interest guideline. Read this, and it will let you know what you should and shouldn't do with this article. Take a look under Defending interest - notice that it says that anyone (even a conflicted editor) may and should remove unsupported defamatory material from an article. If you think the article is being persistently vandalised and you want to ask for assistance, you can place a short note on the administrator intervention against vandalism page. User:ukexpat seems to have taken an interest in the page, so you could also leave a note on his talk page. Gandalf61 (talk) 17:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Banned

What will happen if i get "banned", not only may not edit any pages, what other sitition will happen? JustbeBPMF (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

See the Banning policy. A ban may apply to an area of Misplaced Pages or even the whole project. It could also be temporary or permanent. Chamal 13:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Your mean is all language version of Misplaced Pages won't able to edit? JustbeBPMF (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I think what Chamal N was referring to was a topic ban versus a site ban. For example, an editor can be banned from editing Palestine/Israel articles or Scientology articles. Or an editor can be banned from the entire site. This only applies to English Misplaced Pages, however, as other language Wikis make their own decisions. TN‑X-Man 14:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I should have made myself clearer. When I said "Area of Misplaced Pages" I meant it could be an article, or a topic area. Chamal 14:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

• The obvious thing to do is not get banned so you never have to find out... - Mgm| 14:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

IPs signing posts

Why do IPs almost never sign their posts? 89.242.164.133 (talk) 17:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The large majority of IPs I've encountered do not make very many edits. While they may have experience reading Misplaced Pages, they may not have much experience editing Misplaced Pages. Signing posts (along with wikilinking, templates, etc.) is something that usually takes a few tries before you remember to do it automatically. TN‑X-Man 17:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages editing skill follows a Pareto distribution - most Misplaced Pages users merely dabble, and have little editing skill; a small fraction have modest skill; and a tiny fraction have read the friendly manuals in depth and developed advanced skill. It's hardly surprising that most unregistered users would not have learned (or feel bothered to follow) the Talk page guidelines, because registering an account and signing one's talk page comments are both acts that show consideration for other users, and indicate that a user has made some progress in learning Misplaced Pages. When we establish an identity (or even a consistent pseudo-identity) by creating an account, signing our talk page comments, and leaving useful edit summaries, we help other editors by informing them about who we are. It's very difficult for people to coordinate their efforts and (especially) to resolve conflicts when they aren't able to associate identities with the people they are dealing with. The reason for our unease is our inability to predict the behavior of people whose track record is inaccessible to us. (IP addresses can change or be shared, so the edit history of an IP address may be incomplete, or downright misleading.) When you know absolutely nothing about another person, you can't be sure whether they will like what you say to them, or feel deeply offended. Humans have emotional brains which weigh these factors for us, which is why we might feel nervous about getting on an elevator with a complete stranger, but we feel at ease around our friends. While there are some unregistered users who read the friendly manuals and contribute productively, there are many more whose failure to register is part of a larger mindset which fails to "get" Misplaced Pages. Thus it should not be surprising that a larger fraction of users who log in to edit will be similarly courteous to other users in other ways (such as by signing their talk page comments). However, there are exceptions, such as a few users who create accounts specifically to increase their vandalism damage potential. --Teratornis (talk) 19:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Editing a Page.

Hello,

I wanted to add a fact to the BILLY GIBBONS page, but cant figure out how to do it. Is there an editor I can send the info to for consideration? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billygibbonsproject (talk • contribs) 18:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You should be able to edit the article by clicking on the "edit" tab at the very top of the page. Please be sure that any facts added are supported by reliable sources. You may also want to discuss your addition on the article's talk page. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

extensive rewrite of existing article

Misplaced Pages has had an article about my work for a while now (Matthew Stadler), but it is inaccurate and out of date. I tried to correct it through a small number of line edits, but many of my edits were rejected because my sources were not acceptable. I worked on the edits so they are properly sourced, and that work turned into a complete rewriting of the article. This rewrite is is much longer and more detailed than the existing article.

My question: what are the best next steps to take so that this rewrite can be posted and cause the least amount of problems or work for Misplaced Pages volunteers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewStadler (talk • contribs) 18:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Because of your conflict of interest your best option is to post a message to the article's talk page declaring your conflict and noting how the article needs to be improved and see if any editors will assist with the edits. – ukexpat (talk) 20:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Also see: WP:BLP and Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Help. The latter page contains instructions both for you (the subject of the biography) and all the other users who edit the article. We also need to clarify what you mean by "this rewrite" and "best":

• Presumably by "this rewrite" you refer to something you wrote with something other than Misplaced Pages. For example, maybe you wrote a document with Microsoft Word and have it as a local file on your computer. The more specific you can be about what you mean, the more easily someone can give you specific advice. Perhaps the most practical way to make your rewrite easily available to other Misplaced Pages editors is to:
  1. Transcribe (perhaps by copying and pasting) your rewrite to a user subpage such as: User:MatthewStadler/Sandbox (on Misplaced Pages we use the term "sandbox" to refer to a page where we make practice or test edits). If you need help with this, let us know.
  2. Leave a comment on Talk:Matthew Stadler explaining that you have a user subpage containing your suggested rewrites to the article, with a link to it. Again, if you don't know how to do this, let us know and a more experienced user can handle it.
• As to "best," I'm guessing you probably really mean "optimal." The "best" way to work productively with other Misplaced Pages editors is to learn as much about Misplaced Pages editing as they know, but that would require you to do a lot of work, which might not be worth your time if you only care about correcting one article. Misplaced Pages is perhaps the most efficient system ever devised for remote collaboration, but it is so different than anything most people have experienced that it takes a lot of work to master. If you would like to become an accomplished Misplaced Pages editor, you'll need to read lots of help pages (and/or read the book Misplaced Pages - The Missing Manual) and edit lots of different articles, over a period of months or years. Your contributions show your first edit under this username was in 2007, but you haven't made many edits yet. How much do you want to learn about Misplaced Pages? The "best" way to proceed depends on your answer to that question.

--Teratornis (talk) 20:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Page version control on userpage

Someone appears to be excercising version control over my userpage without my consent and apparently against basic policy and courtesy. I didn't know we had version control implemented, and though its a wonderful idea, its application to own userpage is not welcome. I'd like it corrected. -Zahd (talk) 19:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "version control"? Have you read WP:UP#NOT? --Teratornis (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I was mistaken. Must have been a caching issue. Thanks anyway. The content isn't the relevant issue. -Zahd (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It appears that User:Spotfixer has been editing your user page. You can see on his talk page where other users have warned him/her about this. However, as Teratornis mentioned, please review what userpages are not. TN‑X-Man 20:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I just blanked the user page again -- the content was clearly inappropriate per WP:UP#NOT. – ukexpat (talk) 20:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you want to express opinions on your user page, a compromise method is to put up some userboxes. Jimbo Wales doesn't like them, but at least userboxes generally take care to qualify themselves with "This user believes/likes/does X" rather than to make unprovable truth claims such as purporting to speak directly for God. Saying "I believe (in some doctrine)" is very different than saying "(Some doctrine) is true." On Misplaced Pages, our standard for truth is much stronger than someone's mere personal assertion, which is useless anyway because billions of people around the world assert all sorts of contradictory things. When people develop the bad habit of asserting things they cannot prove, it's one step from there to Religious war, because when two people believe incompatible things and view the other's opinion as blasphemy, their only two options are to avoid each other, or try to settle their differences with force. Misplaced Pages avoids this type of stupidity by requiring all users to agree on a specific truth standard (see WP:V and WP:RS). The truth we all agree on is to document who asserted what, not to determine which of the unprovable assertions were true. --Teratornis (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The statement on my userpage does not violate the clause "extensive personal opinions on matters unrelated to Misplaced Pages." Likewise the statement is an apologetic statement, not a polemical statement that the policy prohibits; nor is it "attacking or vilifying groups of editors or persons," as it is merely stating a concept of absolute discernment. -Zahd (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

OK tell me what is "apologetic" about this: There is a God, and He hates abortion. The sad truth is that in this world of Godless "freedoms," even a single word in support of an actual abortion can cause one to be destroyed in the hellfire, or condemned to hell. This is the way He sees it. IMHO you are pushing your anti-abortion beliefs in an inappropriate manner. – ukexpat (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Editing (deleting) an ostensibly promotional link in an article CLETE BOYER

I am very new to editing, but I looked up the article for my favorite baseball player CLETE BOYER and clicked through the references. All of them were OK except reference #7 to something called ETERNAL IMAGE (which, when I clicked the link) sent me to a commemorative products site (urns, baseballs, etc.) I believe this violates policy and has nothing whatsover to do with the article.

When I tried to edit it all I see is: ==References== {Reflist} I don't see anything I can edit. Can you help?

In other words, there is nothing to edit. Can you help me? Thanks, Web20librarian (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The code for the footnote is at the place the footnote link appears, not in the references section. See Help:Footnotes for more info. Algebraist 21:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

linkspam now deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 22:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

printing an article

I don't seem to be able to print the exact article I am viewing "History of Religion in the United States". Something else about the subject prints. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.85.125 (talk) 21:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Did you try printing the printable version of the page? Click on the "printable version" link in the toolbox on the left hand side of the page. – ukexpat (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

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