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		Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. —Mizu onna sango15

Breslov pages

Hi again. I am at a loss to figure out what to do about this new editor, Na Nach Nachmu Nachmun, who is busy putting his two cents into every discussion point on the Nachman of Breslov talk page, and who today (22 Dec 2008) made some horrendous edits to the Breslov (Hasidic dynasty) page, including deleting the picture of a well-known Breslov rabbi (Elazar Mordechai Koenig), saying he has "no claim to leadership of Breslov." I believe this editor is running the nanach.net website, as I found his posts and telling his friends how he has infiltrated Misplaced Pages to fight against "biased" editors who keep taking the Na Nach philosophy off the Breslov pages (and — read the comments — to get more publicity for their website). Everything he contributes violates WP:SOAP, as he insists that the Na Nachs are the only true interpreters of Rebbe Nachman's teachings. In fact, "Na Nach" was and still is considered a very fringe element in Breslov circles, and one should be very wary of any of their interpretations of Rebbe Nachman’s teachings. All the leading Breslovers of the previous generation totally rejected the "Na Nach" chant and presentation of Breslov teachings. The Na Nach movement came into being only in the early 1980s, when the “Saba” was in his 90s, speaking Hebrew and Yiddish and was taken out of an old-age home to be cared for by English- and French-speaking baalei teshuvah, most of whom were well-versed with the then-drug scene and were seeking a guru to teach them Rebbe Nachman. Today they dance on cars and block traffic in downtown Jerusalem, among other places; certainly not what Rebbe Nachman had in mind with his deep and erudite teachings.

I think someone needs to order this editor to cite references rather than opinions. However, if he chooses to cite his own writings on his website, I assure you that that site carries absolutely no weight with true Breslov scholars. I feel that we're looking at months of arguing and page-ruining unless we put a stop to it now. Thank you for everything you can do. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

USS Liberty Incident

Is this an article that most admins won't touch with a barge pole? Justin talk 21:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Reverts at Israeli settlement

Jay, hi, it's me again.  :) I know I've talked to you about what appears to be some frustration on your part at the Israeli settlement article (and others). I'm glad that you're trying an RfC at Talk:Israeli settlement now, but there's one other thing I wanted to make you aware of. I was looking through your edits on the Israeli settlement article, and of your edits since early November, nearly every single one of your changes (18 out of 19) has been to re-insert the same thing, the word Samaria into the lead of the article. And your 19th edit was Samaria-related as well. You are not making any other changes to the article, and you do not appear to be making any attempt to find compromise wording, you just keep reverting and reinserting the same thing, over and over. Please, can you stop reverting, and just continue to engage in discussion at the talkpage? I've looked through the discussions thus far, and though there doesn't appear to be a clear consensus either way, the general feeling seems to be leaning towards not including the word in the lead. So until there is a clear consensus for the change, please stop with the reverts on this one thing? You are still welcome to make other changes to the article, and to continue to engage at the talkpage of course. Hopefully with additional opinions from uninvolved editors, we'll be able to find a proper consensus, and ensure long-lasting changes to the article. Thanks, --Elonka 19:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I note your concern, but the issue has really been User:MeteorMaker's campaign to remove the word "Samaria" from all Misplaced Pages articles, or, failing that, deprecate its use, against consensus. My restoration of the word was initially in response to MeteorMaker's removal of it from the article, one of 16 such edits he made on November 4th alone. . The reference to the four settlements in northern Samaria had existed quite peacefully in the lede since January 12, 2007, when an editor noted that these settlements had been removed as well. Meteormaker has also been assisted in his efforts by User:Pedrito, who reverted for almost two weeks before even deigning to comment on the Talk: page at all, and has since continued to revert while rarely commenting further - 10 times in all. And of course, the latest reverter is Nishidani, who has managed to revert the article today without bothering to comment on Talk: either - an amazing revert really, the first article edit he has made since November 22, when he claimed he was no longer editing Misplaced Pages articles. In contrast, I have been quite involved in the article Talk: page, have been adding sources (e.g. ), unlike the blind reverters, who have basically just deleted, regardless of sourcing. There is no consensus to make this change to the lede, which has used this wording for almost two years. I'm hoping the RFC I started will achieve some sort of consensus around this, but that does not mean these non-consensual changes must stand pending a new consensus. Jayjg 20:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, does this article restriction cover the entire article, or just the lede? Would have any objection to me moving it into the body of the article for now, so that the references aren't lost? Jayjg 20:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I hear what you're saying, and acknowledge that the word "Samaria" was indeed in the lead from January 2007 to November 2008. I also agree that the concerns are not just with your editing, but also with other editors. It takes two to edit-war, and I do indeed see the edits of MeteorMaker (talk · contribs), Nishidani (talk · contribs), Pedrito (talk · contribs), and others. I've been having a word with some of them as well. As for reverting the article to the pre-November version, no, I think discussions on the talkpage have proceeded past that point. Consensus can change, so the best way to proceed at this point, is to put a freeze on further reverts to the lead, and instead try to both continue with discussions at the talkpage, and to also look towards finding compromise wording. To answer your most recent question, the 0RR restriction covers only Samaria-related reverts to the lead section of the article. You are still free to make Samaria-related changes to the rest of the article, and you are also allowed to try different Samaria-related wording in the lead, that is not a revert, but is instead a bonafide attempt to find a compromise. --Elonka 21:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad

Vaya pues. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thank you, and wow

No problem, you have enough to do without de-vandalizing your talk page as well. As for the big yellow box, it provides such an easy way to remove trolling without getting dragged into justifications that I couldn't pass it up. ;) Daniel/_T+ 14:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk threading

Actually, we were both only partly right. The discussion needs to stay sequential, and his response was not timestamped to show that it occurred later. But WP:TP specified that I was wrong in indenting his response, because as you said it made it look like he was responding to me. Thank you for helping me learn more about Wikiquette. ^_^ arimareiji (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Help needed...

User User:DonaldDuck deletes all mentions of any antisemitic activities by Russian historical figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lute88 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Enough

Stop deleting a quote from the book...The book is RS. The quote comes from Yahiam archives...who he is is of no import it is an observation on the poverty caused through Israeli policies...Israel had the policy that the Palestinian citizens of Israel were under martial law and that all produce was to be sold at a set price to Israel...previous RS citations within the article have that in...I will be putting a whole string of citations up to back that...If you want to develop the article fine but it is under construction and stop deleting, add by all means .... Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The quote may indeed be from the book, but, as explained, the quote doesn't back up the claims, and the source is non-notable. To begin with, the first sentence is entirely unsourced. Next, why do you quote Rafi Rubenstein: can you tell me more about him? Third, even if his opinions were worth noting, where does he say that "Israeli policies" caused "poverty... to the Palestinian citizens of Israel"? He just says that the Israeli farms were lush, and Arabs were not - he doesn't talk about "Israeli policies" at all. Finally, where does he discuss "why the Syrian had fought for the Palestinians cause"? He just says he understands why they took shots at Israelis. Shooting at Israeli farmers is not "fighting for the Palestinians cause". Please respond meaningfully to these questions. Jayjg 10:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Write the article yourself. And then I'll delete all that does not directly fit...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a better idea. Why don't you a) Make sure the claims you make in articles are actually backed up by the citations you use. b) Make sure that you cite notable individuals, and c) When a couple of sentences in an article are brought to the Talk: page for discussion, respond meaningfully, rather than filling the Talk: page with comments which don't answer the questions asked, and which I can't even understand, and then blanking the article. Jayjg 10:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Your disruption of article development is typical of Israelophile stupidity...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Bringing one unsourced sentence, and one sentence that is unsupported by its citation, to a Talk: page is not "disruption of article development". If you think your article is not ready for Misplaced Pages, then develop it in your user space. As for the rest, please review WP:CIVIL. Jayjg 10:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that you are not ready for wiki...I think that the article does need development and I also think most of the development could have been done on Banias until it was ready for a split but the deletionist israelophile propagandists are not able to seek any form of consensus and only want full compliance in reproducing of the minority global POV and an wiki as an Israeli mouth-piece...I think that fair words are not a substitute for obscene actions...please review WP:CIVIL you use disruption to hinder development with WP:Tend. May I suggest that you go away and develop your own articles leaving those who do wish write to get on with it instead of practising disruption....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)