Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 10:32, 24 January 2009

Welcome to my talk page. Click here to leave me a new message.

Archives

1, 2, 3, 4

Removing Bias

Funny enough, my edits to remove bias are promptly undone by people like you, yet you pretend to be high and mighty by removing vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.191.171 (talk) 03:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

You call vandalism like this ("George W. Bush plumbing company"?) removing bias? Oren0 (talk) 03:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion on NPOV Sarah Palin? TAKE TWO

Please post at talk, thanks. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism warning

Well in all fairness I was only adding it because I saw it here- Misplaced Pages:Millionth topic pool. Also I was kinda curious if such nonsense would be deleted so fast if it was created by an established user like me.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

No biggie. I was just trying out WP:NPW and I came across it. I wasn't quite sure what to make of Misplaced Pages:Public apology to users either. I did print off my morphine coupon before deleting though. oren0 (talk) 06:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hold on to that one.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 08:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Limit Down

Limit Down is a unique term that describes the halted state of the stock market. I figured more people will add to it as time goes. I also made several connected articles, and references.(Rodleen (talk) 07:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC))

Re: Rollback Permissions

I specifically requested them because I downloaded huggle and the tool doesn't work unless you have rollback. Is there something else like it that doesn't require rollback rights? AJ Kirwin (talk) 11:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

ROMaster2

Based on how he first presented the page, combined with the statements made on the page, it seems he's using it more for an archive than for sandboxing. He describes it as a more indepth version vs. a demo of what changes he'd like to make. -- TRTX 19:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Semi protect on Political positions of John McCain

I think we can unprotect the page now. AzureFury (talk | contribs) 22:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It had already expired. I removed the notice from the page. Oren0 (talk) 23:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. AzureFury (talk | contribs) 23:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Notability

That may be true, but I think the entire way to judge notability is subjective. For example, I do not disagree that "Free Bird" may have been "notable" for a different reason, only because I remember having heard someone discuss it prior to the release of the Guitar Hero series. However, the fact is, if it wasn't notable before, being in GH would in and of itself make it notable. Simply being recorded by Lynard Skynard would not cause notability, and it is impossible to say for sure the indirect results of it. However, it is notable that it was in the GH series, so it should definitely be mentioned in its article and, in my opinion, the articles of other songs in the GH series. --Dromioofephesus (talk) 00:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

JtP -- LEW

I went and suggested the "plumber" idiocy on the LEW talk page -- think it will get chosen? Collect (talk) 19:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for your input at my successful Rfa. I'm already thinking about working on my content creation. Hopefully in a few months, I'll have passed the point where you would've !voted Support. If you have any more suggestions on how I can improve myself as an editor, I'd be happy to hear them. Happy editing!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 21:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

You'd also expressed concern about my report of User:Fullyang to WP:UAA. I had actually created that account per an Account Creation request as part of my duties on the account creation team. I didn't notice until after I'd created it that the e-mail address was using the Fullyang.com domain name. Do you still think the UAA request was wrong? I'd like to hear your thoughts.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

You made it. Congrats and be happy. I wouldn't dwell on the individual opposes and I'm sure you'll do great. Oren0 (talk) 04:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't consider this "dwelling on individual opposes", though, since it was brought up in several oppose !votes, and I want to make sure I don't fall afoul of policy (especially as an admin). Cheers!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

At some point it's a matter of opinion. Registering a name that is the same as a corporate site is one of the common complaints at WP:UAA and the standard protocol seems to be to wait until the user edits. A user can own a business and register using that name without violating WP:COI. I don't believe that the name FullYang promotes anything by itself unless the user starts using that account to create a page for that site, for example. I guess to bring this rambling to a close I wouldn't have blocked that user at that time but it wasn't inexcusable. My more pressing concern with you was that you were acting like you were already an admin in deciding AfDs/speedies. But that's why this is a community decision and obviously the community at large trusts your judgment. My own RfA was also very heated and I know the temptation to take the opposes personally but it's really not a referendum on you as a person. I'm sure I speak for nearly all opposes when I wish you luck and success as an admin. Oren0 (talk) 04:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your perspective on that. I actually don't consider my Rfa to have been that heated; just a very close vote, that's all. I certainly don't take any of the criticism personally. If I was the type to take it personally, I wouldn't be fit for adminship, I think. Cheers!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 08:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Arabic wiki

Hi there, can u please, participate in the arabic wiki talk page? Regards --Riyadi.asmawi (talk) 23:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Severance Hospital

I tried to post an RfC about whether a citation was needed for the specific phrase "Yonsei Severance Hosptial."

Then, somehow Caspian blue intervened in ways I don't understand.

Now the RfC tage which later bot-modified is now removed by you.

I posted the summary of what happened as a way of trying to clarify an awkward sequence which doesn't quite make sense to me.

Bottom line: At the moment you removed the tag, I was in the process of tying to figure out how to resolve the problem by re-posting the original tag ... but maybe that would be exactly the wrong thing to do? This was my first RfC; and I would have thought it should have been less controversial? --Tenmei (talk) 07:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

RB Image

That is the correct conversation. There was a similiar situation a while back regarding if the image should be included. I believe that the original argument was that there wasn't enough difference to warrant it. Frankly I'm confused by the rule, but I saw what looked like consensus... -- TRTX 18:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

My ANI thread on Mercenary2k

Yes, I forgot to notify the user (although I posted at User: Ragib's talk space, in reply). Thanks for the reminder. Considering that Mercenary2k deletes EVERY comment I make at his talk page, though ... Anyway, next time.CSHunt68 (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, nobody's doing much of anything right now. Mercenary has not retracted his comments, despite the fact that he's been on several times since then and posted on my talk page. Nor has he shown any willingness to work towards consensus on the article talk page. Is there nothing anybody can do? Do I just have to put up with these racist personal attacks?! How about waiting until 3O has been resolved, then blocking him while we put up the consensus? This will prevent him from IMMEDIATELY reverting, as he has indicated he's going to do. Or, just block him from editing the article until that's been accomplished?CSHunt68 (talk) 17:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Palin bounty for wolf forelegs

Your edit summary indicates that you should read the page History more carefully before addressing individual editors in such summaries. I had recently added material, to that section, but much of what you deleted existed before my edits, and Jimmuldrow was responsible for none of it. I don't think it is too much detail. Neither did Collect, and he usually deletes everything I do. I hope to see assertions in Discussion before another revert entry in History. Anarchangel (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Updating Big East Standings

		The Running Man Barnstar
		Nice job updating the Big East basketball standings. Makes all of our pages look much better.GoCuse44 (talk) 04:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added this to my user page. Oren0 (talk) 04:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

RFC on College Football logos

As the NFCC talk page was becoming difficult to navigate, I have moved the RFC to a subpage at Misplaced Pages talk:Non-free content/RFC on use of sports team logos. If you had the talkpage watchlisted, you may wish to add the subpage also. Best, Black Kite 11:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Beginning the process of free images

Hi Oren0, since some editors like Hammer, Black Kite and Seraphimblade seem hell bent to start riffing images based on a non-existent policy and a "longstanding practice" that is nowhere to be found in any guideline or Misplaced Pages rule, it seems prudent to start identifying which college logos can be considered free use and which cannot. Although it doesn't seem they can make up their minds if it is a proliferation issue or an free use issue, or both, I think it makes sense to identify as many possible images that can be re-licensed as free if they are not already. From what I have read it seems they care more about whether the images are free rather than heavy use of images. I know that the Notre Dame image is considered free because it does not meet the Threshold of originality, since the N and the D are simple geometric shapes. Under this license:

This image or logo only consists of typefaces, individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes. These are not eligible for copyright alone because they are not original enough, and thus the logo is considered to be in the public domain. See Misplaced Pages:Public domain § Fonts or Misplaced Pages:Restricted materials for more information. Please note: The public domain status of this work is only in regards to its copyright status. There may be other intellectual property restrictions protecting this image, such as trademarks or design patents if it is a logo. PD Public domain false false

I believe many others would qualify, such as the IU logo, Oklahoma logo, Tennessee Logo, Syracuse logo (which is already so licensed), etc. Since you have been active in this discussion and are an editor I wanted to know your thoughts. It seems Wikiproject College Football and Basketball should coordinate on this to get it done quickly. Regards. Tedmoseby (talk) 21:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems reasonable enough. I'm not a copyright expert so I'll take the idea that some logos are not copyrightable at face value. But where is the line drawn? Some like File:Rutgers athletics logo.png are easy but some aren't. Does File:Interlocking University of Southern California logo.png count, or do the interlocking letters mean it doesn't? What about File:University of California, Berkeley athletic logo.svg? Except for the most simple cases, I don't know how to make that determination. Someone made an observation that while a school likely wouldn't go after Misplaced Pages for using their copyrighted logo, they might pursue legal action if Misplaced Pages claimed that their logo was not copyrightable. I don't want to speculate on the legality of all of this but that makes sense to me. I'd look for guidance on that from someone who's more versed with copyright law/policy before starting to declare wholesale that logos are not copyrightable. Oren0 (talk) 22:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is a trademark issue and unless a trademark can be demonstrated as "abandoned", they will still be "alive". This is a separate issue from copyright law. Trademarks can names (without any special font, wordmark or logo) and include even the most basic of shapes. I would strongly caution against assuming that any college logo is "free" because trademark law would almost certainly permit them --and if you ever see a ™, or especially a ®, it is a bad idea to move forward. I do not think you will find anything other than archaic, out-of-date logos. I'm saying this as a real life attorney who has lectured my company on trademarks and trademark usage. --Bobak (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense to me and I have no intention of marking anything as non-copyrightable. People had been conjecturing about this regarding the Georgia logo and it seemed fishy to me. Oren0 (talk) 23:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Beatles Cover Category

hey you should change the category on Beatles Video Game Cover to Category:Video Game Covers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estemshorn (talk • contribs) 22:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. No need to ask me though, you could just be WP:BOLD and make changes like this yourself. Cheers, Oren0 (talk) 22:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The Uber Awesome Award

		The December '08 Uber Awesome Award
		Oren0, You're uber awesome!!! Estemshorn (talk) 05:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I gave you my newly started monthly Uber Awesome Award..

Here you go.

Thanks!. I'll wear with pride on my user page. Oren0 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Please help! a deletion.

hi there, i bet you admins are awfully busy, but I'd really appreciate it if you'll find the time to answer. i tried writing an autobiographical article, but i couldn't convince them that i am important enough to be mentioned at all. i am a songwriter from Tel Aviv and I've been touring for a while, playing music. i can't really think of what is considered important enough in Wiki terms - popular? in underground terms, looks like we're doing quite well, we have several dozens of thousands of hits on myspace. and of course we're independent, so what? i can't stand it when people shut other people's mouths, why can't i exist in the cyber space? what's the criteria? i know folks who are virtually anonymous, yet they're there, on their wiki pages.

)

Happy Hannukah,

  Mariya (OddDot).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odddot (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

hi there,

me again,

thanks for the quick reply.

first off, i thought admins had the power to resurrect deleted articles from the www recycle bin, is it true? it took a while to put all of the right signs in place.

secondly, i can get a fair amount of links to articles in Hebrew and mainly German web sites with dates of performances and information, but i just don't understand who should i show them to, it seems silly and trivial and it doesn't seem to relate at all to the subject of matter. so "extra links" at the bottom? or anything of that kind?

the article itself was fairy neutral, it was just general information with dates and places and names. so I'm pretty sure that it's not that.

)

cheers,

  Mariya.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odddot (talk • contribs) 01:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Rose Bowls

Just a side issue - because I don't think this is the major issue - but don't Rose Bowls have different logos for each year, depending on who's playing? (i.e. 2006 Rose Bowl)? Black Kite 01:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the BCS championship game always has a logo incorporating the teams (the 2006 Rose Bowl was the national championship game, but that's not how the BCS works anymore). All of the non-national championship years don't have their own logos (or if they do, they're not on Misplaced Pages). Oren0 (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Re

Sorry, I will not do that again. Some of the made up names these people come up with are out there. Again sorry but thank you for protecting the article. Sincerely and truly yours, C6541 (T↔C) at 02:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Samardo Samuels

Thanks for re creating the Samardo Samuels page. Ice (talk) 03:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

New straw poll

You are a user who responded to RFC: Use of logos on sports team pages. As someone interested in the discussion a new straw poll has been laid out to see where we currently stand with regards to building a consensus. For the sake of clarity, please indicate your support or opposition (or neutrality) to each section, but leave discussion to the end of each section. — BQZip01 —  23:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

As a user who responded to the straw poll regarding non-free images in sports, your further input is requested with regards to the Straw poll summary and proposed guidelines on image use — BQZip01 —  01:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

"I'm curious how one cane to the conclusion that Alabama's logo wasn't "original enough" to be copyrightable. I'm sure the school would disagree if someone started selling gear with that logo on it without paying them royalties. Letting Wikipedians who aren't lawyers decide that logos are not copyrightable seems dangerous to me." To the contrary. No one can do any such thing. Trademarks are different from copyrights. PLEASE read this link, and I think you'll find your concerns are addressed. Please note that Coca Cola, IBM, and Microsoft's logos resides on Commons, which as everyone knows is a non-Non-Free zone. They wouldn't host it otherwise. — BQZip01 —  04:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Archived sections on Raul654

I hope you don't mind. Thatcher is right. Besides, it would require a much larger inquiry and it was muddying the GoRight discussion, which needs a clear answer. Cool Hand Luke 08:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I do mind, actually. Was I expecting Raul to change as a result of a subsection of an AN report? Probably not. I do believe (and clearly I'm not alone here) that Raul has misused the tools in a way that would cause trouble for a less "powerful" admin. No Wikipedian is above the rules and if people believe that one has misused the tools the discussion that decides that should be allowed to continue. I think "he won't listen to the community" is a terrible reason to quash discussion. Oren0 (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I also capped it because this is a far broader problem than the GoRight block, as Thatcher alludes to. I think all of the relevant evidence should be presented in one place at one time. Perhaps in an RFC. In the meantime, would like a decisive answer to whether GoRight should be community banned—even a definitive no consensus. This way, we don't have to revisit it again in a week when someone claims the community ban discussion was derailed—I want to keep it on track. Cool Hand Luke 22:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

That's fair. Oren0 (talk) 03:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I would like to see an RfC on Raul but obviously I am not the one to start such a thing. I prefer to let the current discussion run its course. If the community decides I should be banned then so be it.

But if not, given the number of runs he has made at this I would certainly hope that something could be done to stop the harassment in general, and the use of the admin tools against me specifically. If in the future, he thinks that I am a problem then he should be required to get a truly uninvolved (i.e. someone that has not editted GW pages) admin to agree and have them use the tools. This will save everyone a lot of wikidrama. The example of User:R. Baley's particpation in my actions on the WMC BLP is a good example of the system working and coming to a fair resolution when an uninvolved admin takes the lead.

I plan to try and take Abd's advice to just shut up. I'll be watching the discussion, obviously, but unless I am directly asked for a response I won't be commenting further. I trust that either of you will let me know if you think I should comment on something explicitly.

I truly do appreciate the assistance you both have provided in the past and are currently providing in terms of simply moving this thing along. --GoRight (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Input is requested at List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series

There is currently a number of questions regarding the "Unofficial Songs" section included in the article, with a number of editors questioning the reliability of the various sources. Since you've been a frequent editor for these articles, I'd like to request your input in the matter, if you are able. Thanks! -- TRTX 15:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

My (failed) RfA

Many thanks for taking part in this. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Gadget/proposals#Add_the_.22Localize_Comments.22_script

It's going to be hard to get any consensus on the page with so little activity on there. I have responded to your comment. Gary King (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts? Gary King (talk) 16:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

RfA thankspam

		Thank you for your participation in my recent RfA, which failed with 90/38/3; whether you supported, opposed or remained neutral. Special thanks go out to Moreschi, Dougweller and Frank for nominating me, and I will try to take everyone's comments on board. Thanks again for your participation. I am currently concentrating my efforts on the Wikification WikiProject. It's fun! Please visit the project and wikify a few articles to help clear the backlog. If you can recruit some more participants, then even better. Apologies if you don't like RfA thankspam, this message was delivered by a bot which can't tell whether you want it or not. Feel free to remove it. Itsmejudith (talk), 22:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Denbot (talk) 22:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Standing Offer/Request

Given our past interactions on various topics I thought I would make the following offer.

If you ever have something you want me to offer an opinion on or that you feel I might personally be interested in anywhere on wikipedia, its talk pages, or within any of the official forums such as noticeboards, RfCs, RfAs, and the like, please contact me directly on my talk page and feel free to reference this standing request. I trust your judgment in deciding which topics might be of interest to me, and please keep me informed of any topics in general as well as items specifically involving you personally. --GoRight (talk) 00:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Administrator needed

Oren, your help and advice is needed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Privacy.2Frespect_of_the_dead Thanks John Hyams (talk) 02:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Gaza

Hi Oren. I'm glad to see you're comment at the Gaza Conflict article. Actually it reminded me a little of what Jimbo said when Tariq asked him for a comment on the issue. I'm always happy to have more people involved in any article. But it seems you're aware that we had someone leave today, User:John Hyams. I noticed that he asked for your comment only because he made a statement that he'd asked for admin. help but I didn't see anything on ANI (on my watchlist). So you have probably seen that he's currently blocked for a week also.

Anyway, I'm not sure what relationship you have with him but he seems to respect your opinion. So I was hoping you might be willing to have a word with him. Just about the ins and outs of using the talk page. I appreciate that he has a lot of passion he just hasn't quite figured out how to channel that in a Misplaced Pages-friendly way just yet. And it is especially touchy at the article because of the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles arbitration which you might be aware of. I'd like to tell him myself but I doubt he wants to hear my advice at this point. Thanks. --JGGardiner (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)