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Hello there! Thank you very much! :-) חופש 12:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi! You've inspired me to inerwiki חופש! :) El_C 00:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Gaza-diseng.JPG

Hi. You recently uploaded Image:Gaza-diseng.JPG, a copyright image for which you have asserted a claim of fair use. However, you've not provided any rationale. Can you please edit the image description page explaining why you assert fair use (see Misplaced Pages:Image_description_page)? Thanks. --Ngb 11:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

It just seemed very likely that it is being used for educational purposes; I'll try to look at the new FU soon. Thanks in advance for your patience. El_C 02:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Collateral damage

Hey. Long time no talk. :) Listen I've been having an ongoing problem of being blocked as a result of action taken against another user. The curious thing is the blocked IP addresses in the "User is blocked" messages are never identical to mine. It makes no sense. Also, the blocks are often not complete. Yesterday/earlier today, I was blocked from editing an article talk page, but apparently was able to edit everywhere else. Now I find I'm blocked from editing an article page, but can edit elsewhere. Do you have any idea what's going on? It's annoying as hell. What can be done about it? deeceevoice 02:55, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, indeed. Welcome. :) I'm not sure what is happening, perhaps your own ip is just in an unfortunate range. Email me your ip, and I'll make sure it's unblocked. Yours, El_C 02:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo the revolutionary

LOL!! SlimVirgin 16:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Heh, mercilessly and unremittingly photoshopped, but not quite, though there's possibly still time to win him over (hopefuly), away from mysticism and toward the revolutionary cause! El_C 10:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Spam redux

User:81.216.207.131 (talk) is link-spamming armenica.org again, behavior for which you threatened him with a ban in July. (See Thoros I of Armenia, Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, and so forth.) Choess 17:44, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll a bit pressed for time for the next little while, but I'll try to keep an eye. El_C 10:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Denmark

I just saw your comment to User:Haabet regarding the flag of Denmark.

Just for the record, the Danish Goverment and the Royal Danish Navy use identical, swallow-tailed flags, but with slightly different colours. The Navy has a long tradition of deliberately using a darker hue than ordinary flags. You can read more about it at e.g. ], ], and ]. --Valentinian 23:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Cool, I consulted crwflags briefly, actually. But the point was that he had the wrong flag up as the civilian one, which was noticable. El_C 10:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Photo Galleries

Dear mr.El_C, you politely asked me (IP : 82.56.183.106) to stop posting my link. ok, but i've read the policies on External Links and they suggest to link only useful content that could be meant for a wide audience. Now, i'm providing for example 160 Publid Domain / GFDL photos i made in Singapore, and i posted the link on Singapore section (which you deleted). I really can't see the reason : My site hosts actually more than 7000 photos from Asia, Europe, and Oceania. The version 2.0 will host more than 25.000, ALL of them under GFDL, with the clear goal of becoming the biggest GFDL archive for travel photography. As you can easily check by yourself, there's no other GFDL resource like that in the web, not to mention that i don't host junk content like stock photography or other lousy "photo galleries" but decent quality pictures divided by continent, country, city, and neighborhood, as well as hundreds of pictures taken from museums. I don't know if you had a look at my site, but nobody can deny that it's quite informative about every subject covered and there's nothing better at the moment from the GFDL world. So, i realize you could have thought i was link spamming, but that's not my intention, nor i can understand what you mean for "you can post your photos in wikiMedia" .. can i post 25.000 photos ??

Thanks, Marco

Hi Marco. My point was that you could upload pictures that are likely to be used in articles onto Wikimedia Commons, but having the website linked in multiple articles (many of which key articles; countries, majoir cities, provinces, etc.) is excessive. I suggest not linking it any article, but rather, add the link into Misplaced Pages:Public domain image resources. All the best to you with the project. Best wishes, El_C 00:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Pune

A priori?

I suppose you know my ?politics?, if that is what you're getting at. I am only a conservative when dealing with those that are to the far left. I was wondering about the Che image and the Soviet medal.--MONGO 05:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

My left is far to you. Anyway, your responses had the immediate impact as I outlined, and I did not find them well referenced enough. El_C 05:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

As shown, I saw little effort by 172 to calm things down, and I cited an adequate example of that...and in that example, 172 didn't say hey, you've insulted me or I feel insulted (as I did with you), instead, he agitated the situation with an insult back. Was it necessary to then continue to provide more and more examples?--MONGO 05:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Perhpas I overlooked something, can you please link the pertinent diff/s? Thanks. El_C 05:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Here...now I understand 172 felt he/she was only defending themself but the fires only burn if they have fuel. I won't take a stand on who is right or wrong...just saw that there was some tit for tat. Anyhoo...nice picture of Glacier.--MONGO 05:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

This is the same diff you placed on ANI, but it can be accounted as a response to the text I cited, was my point. Note the (!). El_C 06:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

It's all part of the same bantering back and forth over the same issues in the same Vfu. I just see someone cry wolf and they should do so immediately, and not respond in kind...you and I know this, though we may not always practice it. I am not trying to defend Silverhawk, just trying to look at the broader picture. 172, is probably justified to file an Rfc or whatever, but I would prefer a good dosage of WP:CIVIL and that they both disengage to avoid it becoming that sort of thing.--MONGO 07:24, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I, for one, am extremely sensitive to Holocaust analogies directed at myself due to my own family history. There's one personal attack I can see myself responding to with much less moderation than I would normally. Another point: having and responding to a talk page page that is on one's wtahlist does not = stalking, or as I explained to Silverback, hasty charges of impersonation. So I confess to being troubled in seeing your stalking argument on ANI phrased along a similar hasty basis. Thanks for reading. El_C 17:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

172 didn't post on the talk page prior to that unless you start going into Lulu's archives. If 172, or yourself feel threatened or likewise about Silverbacks behavior and believe that the only way to resolve the problem is through arbitration, then you should do so. I myself, guess I don't take matters here all that seriously, but jew baiting, red baiting, and caling someone a Nazi do not have to be condoned in any manner. I was merely attempting to show that 172 is not completely innocent as far as the particular instance brought up on the administrators noticeboard, and I saw in that behavior a rather serious verbal backlash directed at Silverback, that was equal to the items that Silverback had written. Yet, regardless, 172 is the one reporting Silverback...at least this time. I was merely trying to get all parties to find a way out without spending the next two weeks writing endless words over something that may not end up with a result pleasing to anyone...you know what I mean? I initially recommended everyone essentially go to their corner...David Gerard was seeking someone who had an interest in being diplomatic...as an outsider I felt I could do this and I think I did help...I didn't perhaps see the picture in it's absolute entireity as I had no Rfc or other itemized spreadsheet to work off and without spending countless hours searching in areas completely unknown to an outsider, all I could see was the evidence that was presented, recognize that there were two in dispute and seek a way that might show that there is cause and there is effect. I was attempting to show to both parties how they can both win without further insult to each other (an unlikely probablity at this point it seems). Bear in mind, I am not an Admin of course and have no immediate intention of becoming one. Anyhoo, I'll continue to monitor the situation.--MONGO 18:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Again, I realize your attempt, but I still feel it lacked sufficient references, not that I imply those need to be even remotely exhuastive, but establishing clear causal relations. At any arte, I don't wish to prolonge this debate since I'm uncertain how productive it would prove at this point. Lastly, I have no immediate outstanding issues with SilverBack myself, my point on ANI was a far broader, more profound one. But that goes beyond the scope of this note, and sadly, the comprehension (or inclination toward, at least) of the majority of readership here. El_C 18:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, you know, I do have an education as do the vast majority of contributors here so your reference that something my be beyond my scope of comprehension is alarming. Again, I provided a cited quote twice that showed that 172 also insulted. If you wish to see it otherwise that is up to you. Your citation provided nothing more enlightening than mine. I am not here to defend Silverback or to defend 172, or even you. I was attempting to make a good faith effort to ensure the blood letting would cease. You can't go running to the Admin noticeboard and file a complaint and not expect that a cross examination may ensue. Let's go ahead and get the arbitration going, waste a lot of time on that process and see that it will probably end up in results that are not completely satisfactory to all involved...weeks later, or, lets all analyize our own actions, accept that we are all potentially flawed and opinionated and cease fire. If Silverback and 172 will both agree to stay away from each other for awhile, then perhaps there is a hope that there will be room in this Wiki for both of them.--MONGO 19:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

El C, thank you for the support. It means a lot that you're the one person taking the time to defend my work... If you don't mind, I'd like to make a couple corrections in response to MONGO below.

MONGO, Lulu's talk page was already on my watchlist prior to crossing paths with Silverback; so I did not have to go through anyone's user contributions list to find my way to the discussion. my prior comments on Lulu's talk page El C's talk page, by the way, is also on my watchlist. Second, please reread what you call a "serious verbal bashing." Notice that I am (fairly) characterizing comments, not personalities or making accusations about behavior (such as "abusing power," "supporting authoritarian regimes," "deleting evidence," etc.). At any rate, I will no hard feelings about your charges of "Wikistalking" if you drop them based on the evidence, with no apologies expected. 172 | Talk 19:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

You refer to his comments as a "diatribe" and "spewage", yet this is not to be equated with Silverback's comments...I see them as equally insulting. If you want complete sanctity from rebuttal, the next time (I hope there isn't one) this happens, merely refrain from also adding tit for tat, mention that you feel insulted and if that doesn't stop it, then report it. You two need to avoid each other for awhile...and I will remind him of that. When looking at the conversation on Lulu's talk page, I didn't access the archives so all I saw was that page and I didn't see any imput from you, hence the wikistalking comment which was rude on my part and I do apologize. We all get so defensive when we deal with the written word, so assume I am merely trying to prevent a long and hostile arbitration between you two and leave it at that, okay.--MONGO 19:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll respond to the above upon my return. Thanks to both of you (still) for your patience. El_C 22:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

David Irving - amateur historian?

El C, there's an argument over at Holocaust denial over whether or not David Irving can be classified as an "amateur historian". As you are a historian yourself, I thought you might want to comment; you'll find the discussion here. Jayjg 20:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Am I a professional historian (open question!)...? I'll have a look at it when I get back, Jay. El_C 22:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Silverback

Hello again... You were quoted a few times in the new RfC... I hope you don't mind. Please take a look. BTW, I need a co-signer, if you are interested. 172 | Talk 17:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Endorsed. El_C 22:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

FuelWagon RfC

Hi. I wanted to bring to your attention that an RfC has been posted concerning User:FuelWagon. Please add any comments you believe are appropriate. Thanks. Carbonite | Talk 03:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Certified. El_C 22:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikiholiday

Are you sure the cat will do the job. Take it w/ you or else some vandal would kick her a**! -- Svest 21:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)  The Guardian

Why assume it's a she?(!) Anyway, I hereby appoint you, Fayssal, as official  Guardian of my user and talk pages, and esp. kitties therein! Okay, I'm out the door. Ciao! El_C 22:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I assumed it's a she as my monkey (my page's guardian) is a she! Enjoy your time. Ciao! Svest 22:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™

I love monkeys, too! El_C 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you and hoping you're okay. I'd post you a pretty picture, but I have an image policeman on my sorry tail, so I daren't. But I'm imagining a golden beach in the fall at dusk, with the sun a giant ball low on the horizon, and the air full of the smells of an almost-forgotten summer and a lover long gone. Ok, bet that's cheered you up. File:Meh.gif. SlimVirgin 20:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you implying I'm not cheerful? Well, I never am anyway, so good call! I could always go for a nice sunset; and, as for love..er, I don't believe we are permitted to speak about love on Misplaced Pages, it makes for a very biased, nonneutral community. There was that whole wikilove thing during the more idealistic days; now we have very lengthy, slightly incomprehensible user conduct RfCs, and fairuse! But when did I ever care about the rules? (rhetorical: when it suits me). One of the heroes of the toiling masses, Che, has famously remarked that: Dejeme decirle a riesgo de parecer ridiculo, que el revolucionario verdadero esta guiado por grandes sentimentos de amor (Let me say, at the risk of seeming ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love). Words to live by, always. Love, El_C 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Please help

You are a historian (as I hope to be), please do something here and offer whatever you can, thanks. Molotov (talk)
22:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey. I don't actually know that much about USian history. I did touch on the Nat Turner slave rebellion (also VA) when I was doing my postgraduate, but it was rather cursory. That said, I'll try to have a look at it when I get back. Best, El_C 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Away again?

What, away again? This is one long-distance marriage. :-( I hope all is well, take care. Bishonen | talk 23:28, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Dear Bish, I'm still somewhat around. Actually, I'm considering in becoming a full-time troll, haunting otherwise highly productive and respectable editors with revolutionary slogans. Down with imperialism! Long live armed struggle! Love, El_C 22:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

comment

El C, when I wrote my comment, there were no comments at all under the support section, but very many and very long comments on the oppose side. The situation is still similar. I didn't want to direct the comment specifically against you (and I feel sorry if it sounded that way), but against the general tendendy that I noted on that day, take for example a look at mel etitis comment (the one above you). English not being my native tongue, I can not always be sure if my wording doesn't offend. I didn't want to offend you. Kefalonia.

You did not offend me, not in the least, it's just that your tone ala hating vandals, too seemed a bit untactful. But, no, I didn't think it was a big deal, I just didn't want to have both of us commenting back and forth in the voting space, and as mentioned, am willing to continue the discussion on the article's talk page (please review my comments already placed there). Incidentally, to sign your username with a timestamp, type four tildes (~~~~) and wikicode will automagically convert it. Also, for external links: if you place square brakcets around a link, wiki will automagically convert it into a respective number (i.e. = ), or if you place the link in a square bracket, then a space followed by something and enclose that, it will hyperlink the title accordingly (i.e. = snuh). El_C 20:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I see where you were misinformed

Thought of taking a look at your talk page and lo it seems anon editor has brainwashed you by complaining to you first. This was what caught my attention. I think we should first settle what the issue is with Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 that you thought was imbalanced? The fact that I mentioned that the Indian losses were already mentioned or that people cannot misquote as you tried to do? Your statement "Oh, never mind, then. My mistake" for anon's post on Rediff.com that ("It is probably equivalent to a blog site") also shows that you too didn't take the time to know what exactly rediff is about. It is not a forum/blog yet I managed to find a Pakistani source for the same news. 80% of my references are from Pakistani authors/neutral sources to avoid this very conflicts. If anything is added from Indian sources I make sure they are only news related and not opinions since news is always the same irrespective of the side. Yet you choose to read what is only selectively given to read without fully reading the background blaming me. This is clearly reflected in the talk page for his adminship.

I'm guessing you might not even have taken the time to see how many times he's violated the 3RR to curtail anything he finds as "objectionable material" and went on the offensive. Obviously you have been coloured by his story and anything I say can and will be viewed in a negative manner. Still I thought you should know that your comments were not fully thought through. :| Idleguy 14:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not so easily brainwashed on a first-come first-serve basis, actually (rather, I try to do the indoctrination! :p). But, yes, I was pressed for time during that exchange and indeed didn't have a chance to look at it closely. Later, I found out this in.rediff piece had nothing to do with blogs.rediff area and I ended up admonishing AE recently about it being a PTI wire service story. AE didn't lie, he made a mistake, missed the PTI note and mistook it for a blog post. Okay, so mistakes happen, and it isn't as if there aren't many editors to correct these, as is clearly the case here. As for your contributions to the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, I'm sorry, but they did not seem balanced at the time. You wrote a section on losses but it mentioned only those suffered by Pakistan. Reading that section in isolation, a reader can be mis-led to think that India didn't suffer any losses in the war. So it struck me as distorted presentation, which is why I added that bit about Indian losses in the interim which you objected to. As for violations to 3RR, I'm not sure what time you expect me to take (?), if you have pertinent diffs, by all means, submitt these. I do think that both yourself and AE are useful components in terms of the Indo-Pakistani rivalry here on Misplaced Pages, and that you two should be able to work together with your view complimenting each other rather than being in actual dispute indefinitely. Certainly, I myself take no side in that geopolitical dispute (it isn't relevant to my political orientation), but I do generally agree with AE that there is more pro-Indian than Pakistani editorial bias (if only as a product of sheer number of respective editors), which imbalances those articles. So that remains a concern. As well, I hold no personal allegiances to AE whatsoever, so in the case you're suggesting this, it is false. I'll continue to try my best in looking at any given item with objectivity — this was/is simply an unusual time for me (highly pressed), which is why I didn't pick on the rediff error right away. Finally, I thought that the dispute was resolved or in the midst of being resolved. And I do offer my apologies for that oversight (I am more thorough ordinarily, or so I hope!). But, as for his RfA and Islamophobic tendencies therein, I stand by all my comments, which, at the event though, were not directed against yourself. And I still maintain that your questions were more suitable as comments elsewhere than additional standard questions. El_C 20:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Since you've explained in detail (more than I expected), I must say that you are actually a pretty nice chap. My apologies extended to for trying to paint you otherwise. Also thanx for your initial offer for my adminiship (later rescinded) but I have no intention of being an admin, atleast in the near future. The issue with personal attacks on SlimVirgin was about her misusing fair use tag for almost every photo uploaded by her and so it did get me bothered, especially after she tried to remove the {imagevio} tag and the related listing. Right now it's settled I think. You might have noted that I do sound a bit harsh (even accused of personal attacks) at times, but that's probably because I am concerned about Misplaced Pages. I don't really intend to insult/abuse; actually when I use similar lines in person with my gestures (I am good at mimicry) most take it jovially however it has the reverse effect in the writen language. :( I am working to reduce the sarcastic tone when I write but it just slips through. Regarding Pakistan related articles, yes it looks lopsided in a few articles and so it seems that the Indian view is reflected but in ones I'm involved with I take care to use a lot of Pakistan sources to negate this. Operation Gibraltar created by me is an example using exclusively Pakistani sources to ensure factual accuracy without compromising fairness - to the extent I didn't even use a single Indian source! I will continue to improve as per your suggestions. Thanx for taking your time to write a detailed follow up and Cheers.

P.S: Can you reduce the size of the images used in talk pages a bit since some might access the net on a slower connection. :) Idleguy 04:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Heads up

Thanks for the (unintentional, on your part) heads up on Stevertigo's RFA. Didn't realise Haukurth was up for adminship. I might forgive Steve what he said this summer, but H's comments displayed very poor judgement, and hey, RFA's are about whether you think you can trust a person. Guettarda 04:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)