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Allegations of apartheid deletion notification

Some time ago, you participated in a deletion discussion concerning Allegations of apartheid in Slovakia and the Czech Republic. I thought you might like to know that the parent article, Allegations of apartheid, was recently nominated for deletion. Given that many of the issues that have been raised are essentially the same as those on the article on which you commented earlier, you may have a view on whether Allegations of apartheid should be kept or deleted. If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination). -- ChrisO (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 16 - July 2008

"We are the best band in the world....modestly the best band in the world." - Darren Middleton Project news List of Nine Inch Nails live-band members, List of The Killers awards, and the discographies of Kaiser Chiefs, Soundgarden, Garbage, and Mark Lanegan reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Underneath-it-All, Drewcifer3000, -5-, WilliamH, and Be Black Hole Sun. R.E.M. was featured on the Main Page on July 10. We collaborated on With Teeth, American Idiot, Weezer, and "Creep" (Radiohead song) during the past month. During the month of July, The Black Parade, Arcade Fire, and "Live Forever" were promoted to good article status. We are currently discussing various alternative rock albums as possible candidates for a project-wide Featured Topic collaboration. Please join the discussion here. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Stone Temple Pilots - Tiny Music... Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop (1996).

New members Arbocalaviv, Samushi101, Carbonrodney, Red157, and dmodlin71 joined the alternative music fold during July. Editors User:WesleyDodds

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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 17 - August 2008

"Oh, we've been called an alternative band before. But we eat meat, so I think we're disqualified: chili dogs, corn dogs, Jimmy Dean Sausage Breakfast."- Kurt Cobain Project news "My Happiness" (song) reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Giggy. Isobel Campbell discography, List of Nine Inch Nails awards, List of Soundgarden awards, and List of Pearl Jam awards reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Red157, Drewcifer3000, -5-, and Be Black Hole Sun. Flea (musician) was featured on the Main Page on August 19. We collaborated on "Interstate Love Song", The Smiths, Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends, Sub Pop, and Bleach (album) during the past month. During the month of August, Superunknown, Vs. (Pearl Jam album), Black Holes & Revelations, "Clocks" (song), and Disintegration were promoted to good article status. We are currently discussing various alternative rock albums as possible candidates for a project-wide Featured Topic collaboration. Please join the discussion here. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Velocity Girl - Copacetic (1993).

New members Corythepaperboy, Hiram111, Yozzer66, and Lugnuts joined the alternative music fold during August. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 21:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 18 - September 2008

"And suddenly the plane dropped to the right, then to the left, and the ground was right there. And all I could think was, Fuck, I didn’t finish "Fix You." That would have been my last thought: I didn’t get that chorus right."- Chris Martin Project news Disintegration reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to NSR77 and WesleyDodds. List of Björk awards, List of Rage Against the Machine awards, and List of awards and nominations received by Muse reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Gary King, who wrote all three featured lists. David Lovering was featured on the Main Page on September 17. We collaborated on Parklife, Tragic Kingdom, Bauhaus (band), and OK Computer during the past month. During the month of September, The White Stripes, "Yellow" (song), No Depression (album), "Speed of Sound" (song), "The Scientist" (song), "God Put a Smile upon Your Face", "In My Place", Demolition Plot J-7, No Age, and "All the Way" (Eddie Vedder song) were promoted to good article status. Help us select good versions of WP:ALM articles for inclusion on the Misplaced Pages 0.7 release! Find out more about Misplaced Pages 0.7 selection on the project talk page and add your thoughts to the discussion. If you are personally responsible for a Featured or Good Article listed here, please the select a version to include in Misplaced Pages 0.7 on that page if you haven't already. Page versions must be selected by October 20. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is The Long Blondes - Someone to Drive You Home (2006).

New members ThinkBlue joined the alternative music fold during September. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 20:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Joe Wurzelbacher DRV

Does accusing me of fraud really benefit the Joe Wurzelbacher deletion review discussion, or anything else for that matter? While I recognize that you feel very strongly on the issue, seeing such an obvious personal attack from a three-year veteran editor has me at a bit of a loss. --Kralizec! (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I attacked your flawed rationale. Not you. Learn the difference, and grow some thicker skin, please. Tarc (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Forever and Ever (1977 film)

The reason for closing the AfD as I did are in the rationale for the "keep votes":

There are plenty of potential reliable sources to show this is a real film under wide release and there is reason to believe that the sources exist even if the article, in its current state, is below standard. (paraphrased --Jayron32)

The google search shows that the film was in wide enough release to presume that it is highly likely that, if one were to find some 1977 newspapers from Hong Kong, one would likely find the depth of coverage needed to deem this notable. (paraphrased --Jayron32)

Not to mention, looking on the internet for English sources for 30 year old film in a foreign language from a city that is now part of a country that notoriously censors their internet is kind of...counterintuitive...--Smashville

This is the problem with Mandarin/Cantonese language films and, well anything Chinese related on the web. Hong Kong was under the UK at the time and there are numerous Hong Kong films which do have details in English but a large proportion don't. The film is listed in all of the mainstream film sites plus it is directed by John Law who directed under Shaw Studio, responsible for producing some of Bruce Lee's films and unquestionable the biggest film studio in eastern Asia during this period. Law worked with Run Run Shaw, a noted film producer by world cinema standards for much of the 1970s. Alan Tang and Candice Yu (wife of Chow Yun Fat are both notable actors too. It just needs to be rewritten and problems addressed with (paraphraassed - Blofeld of SPECTRE)

The 1st article Impetuous Fire was flawed, as you noted, however, the other is more complete & does have some references. Having tried personally to find references for Mandarin/Cantonese-language films - and running into the same "great wall of China", I found that the rationale provided were good enough to redirect "Imeptuous Fire" to the more complete article. SkierRMH (talk) 15:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

But the problem here...and I believe I detailed this on your talk page...is there was no "other article". Dr. Blofield (the above's new username) simply renamed the existing article, flaws and all. Tarc (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Then please feel free to take it to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. But I do think that the references under the correct title are sufficient to show notability for a Mandarin/Cantonese language film. SkierRMH (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for October 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 19 - October 2008

"When we were trying to sell 'This Corrosion' to Steinman, we said it was like the high point of a Borgia disco evening and he went for it. Nobody makes gloriously stupid records anymore."- Andrew Eldritch Project news "Paranoid Android" reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Brandt Luke Zorn and Giggy. List of awards and nominations received by The White Stripes, List of awards and nominations received by The Strokes, List of awards and nominations received by Nirvana, List of awards and nominations received by Beck, List of awards and nominations received by Gorillaz, List of awards and nominations received by Barenaked Ladies, and the discographies of The White Stripes and Supergrass reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Gary King, Red157, and TwentiethApril1986. A Rush of Blood to the Head reached good topic status during the past month. Well done to ThinkBlue. We collaborated on Modest Mouse, "Paranoid Android", "Alright" (Supergrass song), and "Karma Police" during the past month. During the month of October, Parachutes, X&Y, A Rush of Blood to the Head, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, The Singles 1992–2003, I Should Coco, The Beacon Street Collection, Tragic Kingdom, and "No One Knows" were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Siouxsie & the Banshees - Juju (1981).

New members SanePsychotic joined the alternative music fold during October. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 02:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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Removal

While I'm not generally a huge fan of it, the removal of personal attacks is a known practice on Misplaced Pages.--Tznkai (talk) 19:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It was not a personal attack. That's twice now. Wanna try for strike 3? Tarc (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually yes, it is. Calling someone insane is a personal attack. The surest way to avoid personal attacks is to focus on content, and not the contributor. Its written in pretty plain language here and implied here and here. You're welcome to the rest of your opinion (although I find your unwillingness to event attempt to find a compromise solution sad and against the spirit of how we do things here), but the insanity part has got to go.--Tznkai (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

No, it will not go, and you are completely mischaracterizing what I said, bordering on an outright falsehood. "Insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result" is simply a common and well-known saying. It is not personally calling YOUR mental health into question, it is simply a characterization of the futility of your request. I am almost humorously struck by the similarity between this and the faux outrage that conservatives had over Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. The idea that he was calling Gov. Palin a pig is just as ridiculous as your claim that I called you insane. Tarc (talk) 19:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

You're not calling me insane, you were calling Landon insane, or rather implying an intellectual deficiency because his actions were similar to an adage on insanity that you brought up. The thrust of it was insulting to Landon, and we can get too cute by half about it, but the end effect is the same. If I said your edits were pathetic, wouldn't you reasonably think I was suggesting you were pathetic? Even if you didn't, its certainly out of bounds as to civil discussion. If you honestly didn't get it before, I apologize for not explaining it to you, but its been explained now: your edits were demeaning to another editor, and that is unacceptable on Misplaced Pages.--Tznkai (talk) 19:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I did not call anyone insane (in fact the response was directly to you, but I put it below Landon's on edit-conflict), and it was not demeaning. I really have nothing else to say beyond the rather succinct debunking I provided in the previous response, including the quite apropos Palin-pig analogy. Let's get back to the article talk page and discuss the actual issue at hand, that would be best all-around. And just in case we need to get all formal about this; I politely decline to edit my comment in any way, shape, or form. If you wish to bring this somewhere, kindly inform me as to where, and I will gladly provide the same explanation I provided above. If you yourself attempt to edit it again, I will be the one to initiate further actions. Tarc (talk) 19:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so it was directed at me then, I apologize, in which case I don't particularly care. As it reads however, it looks like you're insulting Landon for the reasons aforementioned (Remember, good writing is not only saying what you mean, but making sure only what you mean is read). At any rate, whatever your intent was, the substance of your edit appears insulting, and that is something you should avoid in general. As the discussion is on track and everyone is more or less on topic, I'll let the matter rest. Oh! As a piece of friendly advice: block warnings should be carefully worded so they don't appear to be threats. People get twitchy about that.--Tznkai (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, look at that, Landon has posted a message on my talk page concerning the insane thing. I think a reasonable litmus test as to whether something was insulting is to see if anyone is insulted. Since I said I was going to let it rest, I won't do anything about it, but I'd suggest that you do simply as an act of simple common sense and decency for Landon.--Tznkai (talk) 20:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Good enough for me--Tznkai (talk) 20:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

What I have done (independent of this, as I was editing it at the same time) is shift my comment so it is now directly under yours and indented. Would have figured it was obvious that it was a response to you regardless, as I air-quoted your "workable solution" wording, which was not present in his entry. Tarc (talk) 20:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Tarc, if that comment was not intended for me then why did it say something along the lines of "the only workable solution is for you to realize that your POV is the minorities? I'm clearly the one that was reopening the thread more than once, not Tznkai. Does Tznkai even have a POV on the issue? It was also conveniently under my comment. I'm new to the said talk page but if Tznkai has been pushing the thread be reopened with and has a POV I am not aware of it. Regardless of who it is directed to, calling someone's actions insane is calling them insane. Landon1980 (talk) 20:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It was not a personal attack, you are misinterpreting, as I have explained. Please go find something else to occupy your time other than the continued flagellation of expired equines. Tarc (talk) 22:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Calling someone insane is definitely a personal attack. If it was not directed at me then answer my question. It doesn't matter who it's for or even if you intended it as a PA. The fact is I view at as a personal attack, so does an administrator. The comment is without a doubt a PA. Calling my actions insane is calling me insane. Landon1980 (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

A shame that the Misplaced Pages is text-based, as just typing "facepalm" doesn't adequately convey what an graphic could. I have addressed the points and questions you raised in previous responses, and I will not be responding to this thread again. Thank you. Tarc (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Michael Johnson (talk) 00:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Section title on talk page of AfD

Eh. Have a sense of humor about it. The title is harmless especially given that Baseballbugs is one of the main people in the discussion. Having a little humor around won't cause the project to self-destruct. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 20 - November 2008

"I had access to the most quality fanny available." - Jarvis Cocker Project news No Depression (album) reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Teemu08. List of awards and nominations received by Bloc Party and List of awards and nominations received by Radiohead reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Gary King and WilliamH. We collaborated on Blessid Union of Souls, Britpop, Morrissey, Yield (album), and "No Surprises" during the past month. During the month of November, No Doubt (No Doubt album), "The Hardest Part" (Coldplay song), "Talk" (song), "Violet Hill" (song), "Don't Panic" (song), and "Fix You" were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters (1995).

New members A Stop at Willoughby and Trap The Drum Wonder joined the alternative music fold during November. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 02:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Nobody's Daughter vs Nobodies Daughter

I had already provided a reliable source but you decided to delete anyway.

The source was an Elle magazine scan in which Courtney Love herself has spelt it as "Nobodies Daughter".

So obviously i thought it is her album surely she knows how to spell it.

If you want to look at the scan it is under the references section in Nobody's Daughter and is posted as "Elle Magazine"

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beautiful&Dying (talk • contribs) 15:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

A single source isn't going to cut it, when multiple other sources still refer to it as "Nobody's...". Until this becomes more reliable, it should remain with the old name. Tarc (talk) 18:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Community Organizer a Profession?

I see your point, but I'm not sure it applies here. It's not necessarily not a profession because it doesn't require a special certification or demand a large salary. I will think the matter over and bring it up on the talk page. Cheers. PhGustaf (talk) 23:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Tendentious at obama

To bandy about the label "tendentious" in order to stifle legitimate debate from a position that you merely disagrree with is irresponsible and intellectually dishonest. It is also disruptive to the collaborative nature of this project. Please cease the disruptive behaviour forthwith.Die4Dixie (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I pointed it out because your approach to editing this matter could reasonably be described as "tendentious". Not because I disagree with you. I'm not responsible for hurt feelings. Tarc (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with hurt feelings; but rather the attempt at stifling debate to which I object. By your standard, everyone in that discussion is tendentious, including you. You are intitled to your own personal definition of "reasonably", what you are not intitled to is using it to attempt to intimidate and stifle debate. Thar behaviour is anathema to the purposes of the project. The issue regarding your behaviour is over as far as I'm concernedDie4Dixie (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no attempt to stifle debate. There are stricter rules being enforced for the editing of this article, which you have already been made aware of in the past. That is there all there was to it here, so let's cut the eDrama, please. Tarc (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The bottom line is that I was not editing the article, I was debating about additions to the article. Wikilawyering about article probation inorder to stifle a voice on the talkpage about additions, which is what the page is for, is the source of any "eDrama" that might exist. The issue is resolved, as I finally encountered someone who woould give reasons other than WP:DONTLIKEIT and spurious use of adjectives like "tendentious" rerefernces to the article probation to stifle a view with which you disagreed. It is your talkpage, and you can now have the last word. If you want to continue the discussion, reply back at mine.Or you can view it as I do : closed.Die4Dixie (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

One can only /facepalm at your continued false statements and assertions, and move on... Tarc (talk) 00:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Fringe science

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Re: Allegations of apartheid

I just wanted to give a note of my appreciation and thanks for your valiant work both there and on the talk page as well. Well done, sir and please keep up the good work!
--NBahn (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It is a trying subject to deal with. Wonder when the next AfD will be coming along... Tarc (talk) 13:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for December 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 21 - December 2008

"Anthony's a sex symbol. You see the thing is for the girls they're like 'oh Anthony he's so beautiful! And his muscles and his hair and oh golly he's so sexy!' but with me its like 'DUDE YOU'RE SO AWESOME...WOW DUDE. WOW!" - Flea Project news The Cure discography and Audioslave discography reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to JD554 and Cannibaloki. Parachutes and Hey Venus! reached good topic status during the past month. Well done to ThinkBlue and Cavie78. We collaborated on Thom Yorke, Dirt (album), Suede (band), and Nothing's Shocking during the past month. During the month of December, In Utero and White Lies (band) were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Badly Drawn Boy - Have You Fed the Fish? (2002).

New members Papa November and S. Dean Jameson joined the alternative music fold during December. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 17:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Your checkuser request

I've had a more thorough look at the case you raised on my talk page, and I agree with your conclusions. I've added some additional evidence. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

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