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::I modeled my larger sections on ]. I am rather startled to see that my model article, which is a GA, has empty sections. Is this standard, do you know? --] <sup>]</sup> 13:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::I modeled my larger sections on ]. I am rather startled to see that my model article, which is a GA, has empty sections. Is this standard, do you know? --] <sup>]</sup> 13:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Empty headers are fine. Personally I feel a better model would be ]. ] (]) 23:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Empty headers are fine. Personally I feel a better model would be ]. ] (]) 23:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Now, ''that's'' a good-looking article. :) Sadly, I have no chance of bringing Jimmy Norman to anything like that state, unless a whole lot more secondary sources start talking about this man. I'm not sure if Jimmy has a chance at GA, honestly; it's only the second article I've ever nommed, and both of them are pending, but I figured I might as well give him a shot, since the project reviewer seemed to like it. If they ask for more information, I'm sunk. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hey, thank you very much! I was just talking with a friend who was going to help me put together the sourcing, I owe you a big thanks! I will still look to add more the article. I appreciate all of you help.Tbolden (talk) 19:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you as well for your work in identifying the problems with the article. Well above and beyond just admin monitoring the copyright violations page! I haven't checked your history to see if anyone barnstared you for your work on that Copyright Violations page, but heck if they haven't you unquestionably deserve it. You did an amazing job on putting together the citations. I was talking to Tbolden on the phone walking him through what to do, and you did it all! jbolden151706:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I wondered given the name similarities if there was connection. :) (Of course, there might not be, but the phone call suggests there may.) I've been barnstarred for the copyright problems page, thanks. I enjoy volunteering there, particularly when an article can be salvaged. I don't generally request assessment, but I was so deeply impressed with Tbolden's work here that I thought it should be acknowledged. After the WikiProject Medicine assessment, when the dust has settled and we can be sure it's stable, perhaps a GA review would be appropriate. --Moonriddengirl15:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Cousin. I don't think in the last few years I've ever edited a medical article before. That would be pretty exciting to get something to GA status within a few weeks. I'll brief TBolden on what article status means. Right now I'm showing him what to do about the assessment as it exist and how to reply. Thanks for the help. jbolden151721:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your compliment and your encouraging words, they mean a lot. Thanks again, I plan to add to the articleTbolden (talk) 15:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, I guess I should also ask you, is there anything else you would recommend I do to get the article to either good article or (gasp!) even featured article status. Seriously though any suggestions, I originally started this as something kind of fun to do and did not expect the feedback you have given, but I have found the process of writing the article to be a good reminder of the value of hospice care. Again thanks for your support. Tbolden (talk) 22:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
We'll find out. :) At this point, we should give the Wikiproject Medicine reviewer a day or so to come back. If he doesn't come back on his own, I'll ask him to take a look at it. If he rates it B, we propose it for GA, and the GA article reviewer will give us a list of things to fix. Some of these will probably relate to my citations, as I always forget what goes in what order. He may want more information about some aspects or less information about others. Usually, it's a fairly comprehensive list. If it gets GA and you're feeling ambitious, we can take FA from there. :D --Moonriddengirl23:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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MG (in response to note on my talk page) -- I explained what GA status meant to Tbolden a few days ago and offered to help if he was interested. Yes I'm talking to him by phone. I've offered to help him through the GA process (as I've taken several articles through GA before and even rated a few). I have no experience on getting an A or getting an FA so I can't help there, other than possibly interpreting what is meant by the critique. He's away from the internet I'll let him know by voice the B assessment is online which seems like it will get him most of the way to GA. I wouldn't expect any changes in Hospice for a few days. jbolden151718:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, now that I know that anything I write is written in stone I will not delete my comment...I know I can add to the questions he had regarding respite and stopping cure-oriented care. Pediatric hospice is little utilized speciality unto itself, I can definitely add some detail to it and will have to get some references regarding this.Tbolden (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I added some edits suggested by Whatamidoing regarding the qualifications for care. Please let me know if it make sense to you, I am not sure I got the flow of ideas out very well. Thanks. Tbolden (talk) 21:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Got your messages, not sure what else to add about respite--was the information I added not specific enough? What else should I add and I will. Regarding pediatric hospice I could add a section on it, however yes, it would definitely need to be fleshed out more. My cousin told me I may start to get a little possessive of this article---I think that is happening! Thanks again.Tbolden (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh one other thing, you mentioned needing to add demographics, to what part does this need to be added to. Also, when you are done with article, I will add a small section on several sub-specialties that are in hospice care.Tbolden (talk) 14:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, regarding GA status, I think I will defer to you, I do like the article as it is. I konw I could add lots of stuff to it but as you indicated if the article is too long that can be a problem. I was thinking of adding a section on myths and barriers but if you feel that would add too much then by all means lets submit it. I am going to take your advice and link the article to a website that can answer patient/family questions. And...after all of this is said and done I will probably take a crack at another article.Tbolden (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself! I added a section on barriers to hospice care. A couple of things, 1) I appreciate all of the "heavy lifting" you have done with the references, I do have two very good sources I used for this part of the article, I know this is not the correct way to do things but I wasn going to include the link following this comment. 2)Even with the sourcing, does thsi section look too much like opinion? I feel it should be in the article but after I was done I am not satisfied with how it looks. Please let me know your thoughts.Tbolden (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, regarding the patient/family barriers, it is on page 2 of the 5 page article linked and regarding hospice's being reluctant to accept patients it is on page 27 of the Hospice Work Group article, however, regarding the other financial disincentives, this is not well referenced. As this is in the process of GA nomination, would it be best to take out all of this section? If you can give me some easy pointers regarding the sourcing for the other two pieces that would be great.Tbolden (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I think I am just about done with the sourcing and if I am done then I am also done adding to this article!! At least until the GA nomination is wrapped up. Sourcing is sure harder than the actual writing. By the way, I see nothing has happened yet with the GA process is that fairly typical?Tbolden (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello firend! I need your help on Bollywood films and plagiarism. One user, Zhanzhao (talk·contribs) has been adding films to the list of "Films alleged to contain plagiarism", using completely unreliable sources, even blogs.
Back in time, he was at first saying such things as "It's a clear remake, we all know that". He was (and still is) under the impression that sources must not be added. Then he started adding sources when he saw that his edits are otherwise reverted. But most of them were blogs and fansites. I cleaned up the list, leaving only the titles that use reliable sources. Asked him to find reliable sources, as per WP:RS. Now he keeps reverting my edits to his own version asking me to prove hat they are unreliable. I (believe me, I know exactly what can and what cannot be considered reliable as someone who wrote a FA about an Indian actor and even had many troubles because of that) explained that the burden of proof is on him, and as for the sources, he is the one who adds them, hence he is the one who must prove their reliability when they are questioned.
As you were able to spot in the near past. I even added some sources myself. Today for example I removed a questionable source and replaced it with an Indian newspaper. It does not help, and the page is still being reverted (and the unreliable sources re-added). Could you please help me somehow? Talk to him? Protect the page? Or anything else? Shahid • 12:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
The question of what makes a source reliable is not often cut and dried to the point that admin intervention is appropriate, unless it's on a foundation matter like WP:BLP. I see this is already up for arbitration, although this isn't likely to go anywhere since it doesn't conform to requirements. Your best bet here is probably to request further input from an appropriate, neutral forum like the reliable sources noticeboard or WP:3O (if you go to 3O, please follow carefully the instructions on listing, noting that it is the one board where you should not use four tildes to sign your name. :)) Meanwhile, if you find the situation getting too heated, you may want to step back and stop editing for a while until you get a response from that forum. --Moonriddengirl12:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeh but he keeps the reversals arduously, and I can't stand the inclusion of blogs on the article. Thanks you, Shahid • 13:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for interrupting, but sites like oneindia.com, thaindian.com , slough.gov.uk and iefilmi.com are NOT blogs. I just want a fair say in the matter here. Thanks for the suggestion though, I'll post a request to the WP:RSN later.Zhanzhao (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
That's probably the best forum for it to receive neutral input. Meanwhile, please try to work civilly with one another as you look for an acceptable compromise or reach consensus through wider participation. --Moonriddengirl13:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm trying to, but he keeps editing the Talk:Bollywood_films_and_plagiarism page and screwing up the placement of my replies, and when I revert his changes, now he's trying to accuse me of vandalising them because he refuses to undo his changes before making new comments....Zhanzhao (talk) 13:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to note that when you use curly brackets, you replicate the entire page. You used curly brackets here, and copied the whole of Talk:Bollywood films and plagiarism on my talk page. You did the same here, which would have transcribed all of the other user's userpage. With respect to your talk page argument, I see that here you placed your comments inside of a comment by another user. This is not a good idea, as it makes it very difficult to trace who said what, when. Misplaced Pages:Talk page notes, "To respond to a discussion already in progress, add your comment below the last entry in the discussion." The entry ends with the signature. You should not respond in the middle of an entry, but after it is concluded. --Moonriddengirl14:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the clarification. I was having some difficulty earlier on as I was trying to help {{User:Shshshsh } edit his posts since he refused to do it himself, and encountered this problem. That should fix everything afterthat. Appreciated! Zhanzhao (talk) 14:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad if I can be of assistance. :) Generally, tickets listed at CP are not processed for seven days after their placement, but I tend to look at the most recent day's listings as well just in case there is something that can be immediately resolved. Your notes, of course, made this easy. --Moonriddengirl16:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the copyright concern in that article and addressing it. One thing I noticed that might help you if you run into future copyright concerns is that you seem to be using the words "plagiarism" and "copyright infringement" somewhat interchangeably. Plagiarism is frowned upon on Misplaced Pages, but we do not yet have an official policy in place about it. (There is one under development at Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism.) Copyright infringement is a different matter. The two can go hand-in-hand, but don't always. When you remove copyright infringement from text, instead of referring to it as "plagiarism" in the edit summary, you would probably get better results to just refer to it flatly as copyright infringement. If somebody resists your efforts to remove it, you can blank the entire article with {{subst:copyvio|url=whatever}} and follow the further directions for handling that the template will provide. Those templates are only supposed to be removed by administrators. Good luck reaching consensus with other contributors of the page in its new direction, and thanks again. --Moonriddengirl19:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for handling the case and for the advice! I see what you mean about plagiarism vs copyright infringement. Next time Anonmoos restores the text (if he does) I will take the steps that you suggested. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hip Hop albums
Hi.
By any chance do you know whose idea was to ALWAYS put a table in the track listing for those albums, i haven`t really learned to work with them, wich make it a real pain, but i don`t want to remove them if some guideline or concensus says i can`t.
There seems to be an edit war in this article with one person continually redirecting the page to another and one person restoring the page and the two of them alternating undoing the edits of the other. I don't know if you can do anything about it, but it's beginning to annoy me (I attempted to get it categorised by putting it in the January category of articles to be categorised and, once again, it's in the specialpages of uncategorised articles). T@nn (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I can't guarantee it'll settle down immediately, but it should resolve soon one way or the other. I have warned both of them that the next time either blindly reverts the article, they will be blocked. They've been edit warring on that one for a long time. I've watchlisted the article. If they're really interested in the outcome, they'll follow up on process by involving other parties to help establish consensus. (I almost restored it as a redirect based on the 2006 AfD, but redirects from AfD don't seem to be as binding as deletions; given the time span, I think a new consensus would be necessary.) --Moonriddengirl12:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I was composing a fairly long message to this user which I posted after you blocked him (it was a new section so I didn't see the block message before I posted it) - it's on his talk, hopefully he'll take it on board when his block expires. Exxolon (talk) 16:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Good message. Let's hope. :) Unfortunately, with Gothic music, s/he doesn't seem to understand that no matter how right you may think you are, you need to use the consensus process rather than edit warring. If s/he does, I suspect consensus will be with him, but this back and forth on the article in question isn't doing the project any good. :/ --Moonriddengirl16:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, I find the idea a bit intimidating, since I've literally put everything I could find on this man into the article. If a GA reviewer asks for more info, I am sunk. :D But I'm highly honored that you would suggest it, and I may give it a shot anyway. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. --Moonriddengirl13:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello again Moonriddengirl. Sorry to bother you again, but I'm trying to get rid of the broken references on some of the articles and I simply can't seem to get rid of the one on this article, no matter where I put the reflist: I've tried to put it in the usual place where I put it (just above the categories) and that has worked in other articles but not this one. Then I tried another place (as you can from the current state of the page) and that didn't work either. Do you have any idea of why that is and what can be done? T@nn (talk) 15:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I believe the problem is in one of the bottom boxes. It has a ref in it, but because the references section is above it, that ref has no place to expand. I'm about to test that theory. --Moonriddengirl16:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I think Template:Mexican diaspora was creating the problem. I note that the problem also existed in other articles that transcluded the template below the "ref" box. I've changed the "ref" to a simple inline link. Once the articles that transclude it do that magic thing they do where they update themselves, the problem should correct. If it isn't better within a few hours, I'll ask somebody with more technical know-how than I have how to fix it. But I'm banking that the problem is fixed. --Moonriddengirl16:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Once again, above and beyond the call of duty.;-) I lose patience after I see the umpteenth paste job from a web site. You know that box that appears when you create an article...
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Hi. :) I understand your loss of patience, believe me. That seems like a stellar idea. I wouldn't begin to know how to implement that, but I know who I'll ask. :) I'll see what I can find out about the feasibility of including that. --Moonriddengirl19:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Oooh! I forgot about books, what are they?;-) However it's worded, it's certainly worth a try. Have just spent a couple of hours transforming this little beauty created by someone determined to publicize himself wherever he can on Misplaced Pages. Sigh... I then rather foolishly followed up his contributions and found another entirely plagiarized article (apart from the lead). . It had been there since 2006! Fixed now. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Holy Cow! I guess you'll learn a lot about Florida before you're finished. ;-) Reminds me of a student I had, who despite my long and frequent discourses to the class about plagiarism, submitted an essay consisting entirely of verbatim copy from the text book I wrote. Voceditenore (talk) 16:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Wow. That is either a very cheeky student or a very clueless one. :) By the way, if you get spare time on your hands, we could use assistance developing the essay Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing. Not surprisingly, there are some differences in opinion on where problems exist and how to fix them. But it needs some work. (Copyright problems are a big help at filling in gaps in my knowledge base. Give me a few years at the post, and I'll be ready for Jeopardy! :)) --Moonriddengirl16:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
← I'm going to be away for the next 5 days, but I'll have a look when I get back. It's an important topic. As for the student, clueless I guess. We failed another one whose essay was a verbatim copy from a book chapter (not mine). We gave her a chance to re-write with no grade penalty and she submitted a new essay two months later copied from... er... a different chapter in the same book. Often times, people really do know what they're doing, but hope against hope that no one will notice. Voceditenore (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I had a student once submit a professional essay downloaded from the internet in a way that was particularly clueless. The assignment was to write an analysis of the film Watership Down. The essay she submitted was on the book. She didn't even both to change the language to reflect that vital difference. Some of them, I guess, simply don't care. --Moonriddengirl16:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Thankyou
A very sincere thank you and wow - for your work on the Indonesian articles this morning - it is very much appreciated - clearly an improvement - SatuSuro01:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. :) I'm afraid it may take a little baby-sitting until all the contributors are clear that they can't just paste material from other sources. I've had to clean more infringement today. --Moonriddengirl12:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I think - that we have serial adders - I think their collective understanding of english might be minimal - by their responses so far - so a bit of my dog indonesian :( - may let them know. woof woof in a manner of speaking SatuSuro04:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Dog Indonesian is miles ahead of my Indonesian, which is limited to the point that I probably couldn't pick it out in a line-up. :D Thanks for addressing it directly. --Moonriddengirl12:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Kennan Ward
I see you removed information about me Kennan Ward. Although I consider myself at least average I say it is semantics to say you can not use information I provide about myself and than publish similar writings people submit with minor or one change??
Could you imagine going through all this writing something new to find the same result. I may be hard to learn your very specific ways but I think it may help you to be flexible to real people.
I submitted a starting point for others to add after some hundred requests from art collectors. I actually thought I was helping Misplaced Pages.
I can not put a GFDL on my website as I have many copyright images. The text is a whole other situation especially about us?
Hi. :) It's possible that his name is Everett McGill, even if he's not that particular one. Misplaced Pages:Username#Real names says that if there is likely to be some confusion, he can indicate his identity on his userpage. Looking at his contribution history, I'm thinking he may be okay (I haven't looked at the actual edits, just the topics that draw him), but if you think that some might presume he is the actor, the thing to do is probably point out that section of policy and ask him if he'd mind clarifying on his userpage. --Moonriddengirl12:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
SIUT Karachi
SIUT (Sindh Institute Of Urology & Transplantation) Karachi page has been deleted in the list hospitals of Karachi. I wonder why this has been done because this the state of the art hospital providing urological sevices as well as renal transplant free of cost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saima76 (talk • contribs) 08:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not the sort to review Good Article nominees, but I lvoe giving free advice. I'd suggest combining all the small sections in Jimmy Norman under an overrarching "Biography" banner for better organization. Avoid "personal life" sections, especially since this one is so small; work personal information into the appropriate subsections. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Now, that's a good-looking article. :) Sadly, I have no chance of bringing Jimmy Norman to anything like that state, unless a whole lot more secondary sources start talking about this man. I'm not sure if Jimmy has a chance at GA, honestly; it's only the second article I've ever nommed, and both of them are pending, but I figured I might as well give him a shot, since the project reviewer seemed to like it. If they ask for more information, I'm sunk. --Moonriddengirl16:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello. :) Is there any chance you could capitalise the title of this article? Apparently because it is the first word that is in lower case, it doesn't let me move it to a page with the correct capitalisation. T@nn (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I may need help with that one. :) I thought I could do it easily by moving it to my userspace and then moving it to article space, but, no, it went right back to where it was. I'll try again and then call on somebody else. --Moonriddengirl18:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
