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Thank you, friend

Ahh I'm extremely sad that you won't be here. I am going to miss you a great deal. Your words echo mine and what I think of you exactly, I can't really think of what to say. Please email me though as you did say you would when you were leaving. All the best for the future and please try to stay in contact when you can by email and on wikipedia when you can. Best wishes for everything and best of luck for the future, whatever it may hold. Tear tear LOL. Count Blofeld 17:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh I thought you had gone? Half of those articles were on my watch list anyway. Just try to look in when you can. Don't do a Pa7 whatever you do! Count Blofeld 21:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

"Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna" Dost!!! Hum "Phir Milenge"!!! LOL. Thank You very much for your really kind and thoughtful words. What makes it more special is the time you took to write this heart-warming message. Over these past years, we have become really good friends and I will miss you a lot. Words cannot express the respect and gratitude I have for you!! Hope to see you soon :(( Wish you all the best for the future!! Please come back and visit!! Best Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz 03:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow that was a short break! Count Blofeld 17:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I'm sorry about that. Look after yourself. Oh I am tired of more editors I encounter on here than I like, almost everyday, most of the time with Wp:Films as you well know who have never appreciated the work or suggestions I have to improve it except one or two like Nehrams and Lugnuts. Most of the editors I come across are either as dull as dish water or/and are set in their ways, or are stuck up and pretend they are lawyers and try to rule over people. Most of the people who I try to make an effort with never return the kindness and don't appreciate my help or have a distinct lack of a personality to want to talk to me. Thats why people like you, Rahul, Albert, Editor, Callio, Travelling cari etc and a small amount of others are so valuable to me. Count Blofeld 17:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey I found a way to get content onto here quickly for Bollywood films. See Bollywood films of 1970 ,Bollywood films of 1971 and Bollywood films of 1972 No red links now! Thats about 150 Bollywood film article started in just a few minutes! I think I'm going to start Blofeld botting films by year at the rate of five a minute and then adding the details afterwards. It seems to be a very efficient way of doing it. Oh I also like Mumtaz (actress), seems like a beautiful woman. Count Blofeld 13:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The Indian Barnstar of National Merit

		The Indian Barnstar of National Merit
		Awarded to Shshshsh aka Shahid, one of the most prolific editors from India. We are proud of you ! -- Tinu Cherian - 06:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

nana patekar

see http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sukh#Urdu_scripts azimsultan (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Good News :))

Hey Shahid, I just found out that Zinta\s article will be featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page on December 23, 2008!! Time to rejoice and have a party!! :)) -- Bollywood Dreamz 01:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Come back NOW The Bald One 22:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I miss you very much! I;ve started Bollywood films of 1970 all films, and 1971 and 1972 too! About 250 new articles? This week I think I'm just going to start all of the 1970s films in the lists to rid of those ugly red links! I;ve filled in Bollywood films of 1977 anyway. Today I've been developing the Michael Crichton article from crap status. He was such a brilliant writer and so clever! Shame he died. Hope you are well The Bald One 23:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I do but my camera doesn't do very good pictures of the computer screne, I've tried it before. You will see it but it won't be of high quality The Bald One 11:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Shahid, today is the day that we all have been dreaming of, especially you. I have taken an image of the Main Page featuring Zinta's article as "Today's featured article". Hope you like it!! :)) Best Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz 02:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS! Universal Hero (talk) 12:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Shahid! good job on the Preity Zinta article! So proud of you man, btw User:Ashiwin sent his regards to you too bro, take care aite =) kotakkasut 14:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, congrats!!! wow...--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Gorgeous women

Uploaded this from flickr. Don't you think it looks like Aishwarya Rai with Sarah Alexander? The Bald One 18:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Shshshsh! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One 11:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Shahid, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

All the best Shahid, hopefully you won't incur nay more of my monkeybrained errors. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe you didn't even stop by and just say happy christmas or happy new year of something. I find this absense very peculiar, particularly as you promised you'd inform of what you were doing. You will be missed. The Bald One 17:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hope you are well. The other day I started 350 Bollywood films in one day, the 1970s. I now have 200/350 remaining to fix but I'll have them done soon enough. The Bald One 18:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

You're most welcome my dear friend!! Hope you are doing well!! Looking forward to hear from you again!! Come back and visit more often!! :) (P.S. Happy New Year and Merry Belated Christmas!!) Best Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz 20:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, amazing I was only just thinking about you. I was going to tell you I've been making loads of flickr agremeents and just got us some nice ones of Shania Twain!! Dr. Blofeld 18:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Life has been great!! I am currently tied up with University though I try to come on as frequently as possible. How are you?? BTW, have you seen Slumdog Millionaire?? The film has been doing really well all over the world and is receiving numerous awards. -- Bollywood Dreamz 02:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

How to use this top Indian Wikipedian list for effective collaboration

Hi, I have added a section 'How to use this list for effective collaboration' on User:Tinucherian/Indians WP page to see if we can put this list to really good use, pl give your thoughts on the same and we can take it further from there. Thanks. Vjdchauhan (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC).

Shah Rukh Khan

Hey Shahid. Sorry but I got to dig up the whole Shah Rukh name issue again. Shah Rukh appeared on the talk show 'Oye! its Friday' on 17/1/09 and stated that he writes his name as two separate words 'shah' meaning prince and 'rukh' meaning face or direction. he also mentioned that several Parsis in Mumbai use it as a single word, but he doesn't and that his name has Persian origins. Let's wait to see if there is further discussion on this issue (i know there have been several in the past) But now that he has explained how he spells it himself on national television and even given a lengthy explanation for it, this matter should be resolved. watch the interview in 10 parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utZ3dZIGKo --Sayitaintsojoe (talk) 18:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

New topic

Well, now that Slumdog Millionaire is a huge success and is winning countless awards, many people make it seem like India has made the film. I am not saying that this is a bad thing. As a matter of fact, all of us are really happy that the film has been nominated for 10 Academy Awards and furthermore, AR Rahman being the first Indian to win a Golden Globe for his work. However, I tend to agree with what Mukesh Bhatt said in his recent interview: "I am sure if it was an Indian film, no one would have taken it to such a distance for the awards. People out there are very clear; they won't give any of our own movies any such recognition. However, when they come to our soil and make movies, they give it all the recognition." As for the Star Screen Awards, it indeed was very disappointing to see Ms. Chopra win for Best Actress!! Out of all the actresses that were nominated, I felt that Kajol should've won it. I haven't seen Jodhaa Akbar yet so I don't really know how Aish performed in the film. Priyanka, Asin & Genelia were okay in their respective films. BTW, have you heard the latest rumour about Ms. Chopra having a possibility of winning the National Film Award for Best Actress?? I can't believe that people are making that big of a deal of her performance in the film!! When you have time, read this interesting article It talks about the "dirty truth" behind the film awards in India. On a more lighter note, out of all the near forthcoming releases, I am really looking forward to watch Luck by Chance; Farhan Akhtar made an impressive debut in Rock On!! I am also looking forward to watch Delhi-6!! That's about it for now!!! What about you?? -- Bollywood Dreamz 19:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

You seem to be coming back more regularly now? How are things? What did you think of Slumdog? Dr. Blofeld 16:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I haven't, not yet but I've long considered Danny Boyle as one of the best British directors. but I haven't seen critics rave about a film like this for ages. It will be a huge success eventually. Isn't it funny how many of the low cost art house productions starring relatively unknown actors end up being the most critically acclaimed! I wonder how Dev Patel will cope with it, I bet he never expected to be brought to world film attention like this! Dr. Blofeld 17:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Luck by Chance has been getting pretty good reviews by critics though the audiences reaction towards the films is quite mixed. While some say that the movie is really good, others have gone on to say that it is really boring. LOL. Anyways, I definitely plan to watch the movie regardless what others have to say about it. I'll judge the film for myself after watching it, which will probably be over the weekend. BTW, check out the nominations for this year's Stardust Awards. Ms. Zinta is nominated in the Best Actress category for her performance in The Last Lear!! Usually, they only have a couple of people nominated in each category but this year they have as much as 10 nominations in one category. LOL. They have also invented some "new" categories as well. -- Bollywood Dreamz 17:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Most of the award categories already have their own respective pages. However, some of them don't such as Hottest Young Filmmaker, Exciting New Face, etc. We could create separate pages for these awards though we don't know "all" of the winners in these respective categories. There isn't an official site for the Stardust Awards like how they have one for the Filmfare Awards, where they have the list of the winners for each year. Anyways, forget about this. LOL. Today is Ms. Zinta's birthday!! The talented lass is turning 34!! I have to admit. The more older she gets, the more beautiful she looks!! :) Wouldn't you agree?? -- Bollywood Dreamz 04:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Snow

Its snowing!!!!! Yeah! Dr. Blofeld 21:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Funny how you claim to have gone, but don't respond. The moment I edit that article suddenly you come. It has proved something to me. It is also funny how you consider claims that suggest that Bollywood films are shown everywhere in Africa. There are some dreadful generalisations in this article which are really are not good to read. That would appear utterly unencyclopedic to me not referenced material from a book on changing cultures which clearly has some relevance even if the Caucasian thing isn't completed true. Sorry but you keep protecting an article which has major flaws in it Shahid and it is difficult to evne begin to try to address them. The article is very poorly written and the information just doesn't flow, its constructed by haphazard sentences some of which are in complete disorder and disorganisation. Martinee's additions were not blatant acts of vandalism or intended lies as you described, it was an attempt to improve the understanding of the article which written sources can verify to some degree. It seems you will believe what you want to believe and try to mould the article into one that suits you. A great deal of the content on Bollywood "in the world" seems to have some underlying agenda, to me it looks as if the article is trying to prove to me that Bollywood is more successful in many parts of the world than is actually the truth. It looks to me as if somebody is trying to promote the industry and how it is massively distributed throughout the world rather than in more regionalised cinemas or within diaspora communities in the main cities. Now if I know you correctly I am certain this is not what you intended and I know you have tried hard to make things as neutral as you can in the past, so I am wondering why some of the more misleading generalisations exist!!. Have a good day wherever in the world you happen to be. Dr. Blofeld 22:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that I have these articles on my watchlist and it follows the same pattern everyday!! Additions, mostly rubbish, revert, addition, wrong, revert etc etc. It has become kind of a dead end cycle just scouting the history of the article is quite something!!. I know you have always done a lot of great work in shutting out lemon edits but me thinks it really is time that this article was developed properly and advanced. I didn't mean to sound harsh, but think of it as some sort of wake up call in that I think it was high time the article was written more formally and to a higher level to get out of this deadlock. Its been in no mans land for many months. Days go by and nobody really makes an effort to improve it adequately. I miss your contributions and talks on here a lot, shame you can't be here as oftne as you used to. Now somebody has to devleop this article and me thinks you aint got the time to edit. What say whenever you log in we draw up a plan together that we are both happy with the greatly improve this article. What do you think? Anyway don't be angry with me for speaking my mind about the article but seriously mate something needs to be done about it!! I guess you haven't got time. If I make an effort to try to improve it, do you think we can make some headway with it? Dr. Blofeld 23:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I know mate. Yes I wish you were here to speak to about it and work together on it and iit is very frustrating to see the same pattern on my watchlist. I have to go now anyway but I think we should change it!!! Take care Hasta luego! Dr. Blofeld 23:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I know!! LOL Now Karina Kapoor would be notable to me (only because I've worked on her article, I know she hasn't had much acclaim) but none of the others - to me it looks like the guy is into pretty faces not the best or most acclaimed actresses!! Shall we include Koena Mitra too because she is quite sexy? Hehe. Dr. Blofeld 17:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL. What do you mean? Koena Mitra is a brilliant actress, far more prominent than even Rekha or Hema Malini, India's most acclaimed actress!! (Heheh). Did you hear about the baby born with 12 fingers and 12 toes? Dr. Blofeld 18:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

What I'm going to do is compile a list of sources that could be used to improve the article on the Bollywood talk page and then I will gradually try to imporve the article when I have time. Some of the sources may be better than others but I will try to see what I can find. Take care Dr. Blofeld 18:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is getting very irritating I agree. I'll ask Moodridden girl (who now helps protect the Clint Eastwood articles) to keep an eye on him. I know Keeper76 had it on his watchlist before. I've found a book here, but the best thing that could happen to the articles would be to get hold of 3 or 4 books about it and write a scholarly article on it. BTW I now have the book on Shania Twain. Haven't edited it much yet but check out the Eileen Twain section and some of her earlier life. You can tell which parts I;ve edited on it!! Dr. Blofeld 18:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Gwens cool, if not a little weird but not Kylie or Kate Bush!! Kylie can look very fit at times but not her music LOL!! Dr. Blofeld 18:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh LOL duh. I see! Well ideally I would use a couple of books, I only have the one! Theres a great amount in there that could probably be used to get Mutt Lange up to GA status and a lot on Bryan Adams too, Dr. Blofeld 18:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hes making life tough for himself, Martinee tried to create a sock account User talk:Glitzman. What a fool! Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Re

Hello my dear friend. Lately, I have been very busy with University and was unable to respond back to your message. IMO, Preity Zinta and Hema Malini do share common similarities and it doesn't surprise me that the industry refers to her as Basanti. LOL. Over the past 11 years that Ms. Zinta has been in the industry, she has tremendously improved in every category, be it the way she presents herself to the media or her film choices. There's no denying the fact that she will be greatly remembered when she decides to quit Bollywood, which IMO should never happen. LOL :)) If all these great actresses leave the industry, who will the audience watch? Honestly, IMO, after Vidya Balan/Konkona Sen Sharma, and to some extent Kangana Ranaut, no actress comes close to the elegance and screen presence that the older actresses had. Actresses like Nargis, Nutan and Mumtaz from the earlier days were truly the eternal divas. Then followed actresses like Rekha, Hema Malini, Jaya Bachchan, Dimple Kapadia, who further enhanced the prospect of "beauty with brains". Madhuri Dixit, Karisma Kapoor and Kajol were my favorite actresses in the 90s; then came Aishwarya Rai, Rani Mukerji and Preity Zinta. Kareena seems to be following in these footsteps too!! Nowadays, actresses are heavily depending on their looks to get into the industry, which really saddens me. Gone are the days, where talent was appreciated more than beauty!! :(( -- Bollywood Dreamz 03:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Nonfree replaceable images

The fact that nonfree content is not being followed elsewhere, or that it was not caught during the FAC, is not relevant. Please see the nonfree content restrictions, especially #1 on replaceable nonfree content. Nonfree images are not allowed when they are replaceable. The subject of the article is Preity Zinta. We have free images of her in abundance. We need not use nonfree ones to show every aspect of her life, when we can easily show what she looks like using free material. If cleanup is needed elsewhere, then that will get done as well, but "Don't start here" or "Nonfree content gets misused elsewhere too" are not valid arguments, just statements of a larger problem. Finally, it is not necessary to discuss or reach consensus on removal of inappropriate nonfree content, as consensus cannot override the nonfree content policies in any case. Seraphimblade 05:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't Seraphim. User:Black Kite is one of our most dedicated editors to ensuring we comply with copyright and even he said that one or two screenshots of actors in films which are irreplaceable can be claimed for fair use and a free alternative isn't available. If it was an image of the actress herself then yes indeed we caouldn't claim fair use as it is irresplaceable but commentrary on an actors performance given by the image in relation to the text is certainly not irreplaceable. Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The subject is a person, not a movie. For illustrating the person, we have free images. It certainly may be correct that if we have an article about the movie, the screenshots may be usable there. "Replaceable" means "Do we have free images of the subject?", not "Do we have free images of everything the subject's ever done?" In this case, the answer is a clear yes. Perhaps the free image of her receiving a movie award could be used in the movie section? Seraphimblade 04:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Seriously Seraphin you are illustrating to me a seriously bad understanding about film and actors. "Do we have free images of everything the subject's ever done?" In this case, the answer is a clear yes???? What are you talking about? You think we have free images available of her identifying her when she is performing in her career, which is overwhelmingly what the article is about, an actress in films? Yes we have a few images of her outside films but these images cannot be used for critical commentary on her work inside films or noablt performances which the article discusses. How do you think we can obtain free images of copyrighted productions?. See Cillian Murphy, which also has a free image, a limited amount of fair use images are used in this too and in many other articles of this genre. Both are featured articles and yes both articles have undergone much scrutiny about fair use image use in the past. Even some of the copyright paranoics I've come across in the past think sometimes one or two fair use screenshots can be used within copyright law. Actors are the center of these films and actors and films go hand in hand. When actors appear in films they ar epart of the property of that film and you can't provide an adquate discussion of an actor without somehow describing their work. In this case it happens that a limited amount of screenshots which have full rationales for their use are improving an understanding of the article in key moments in the actors career. Please lets not go into this discussion again, somebody please provide the ANI discussion we have back in November 2007 or whatever it was. Dr. Blofeld 13:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. And WP:NFCC clearly says - "Can this non-free content be replaced by a free version that has the same effect?" - meaning - screenshots and images that show her during her film performance. Shahid • 13:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, you are welcome to ask for admin help if you so desire. It's the job of admins to enforce policies, including nonfree content, which is what I'm doing. I'll also note that there is a discussion on the talk page, which you despite your multiple reverts have not thus far seen fit to join, so it is rather odd that you accuse me of refusing to discuss. Also please note that the 3RR does not apply to removal of NFC violations, only reinsertions of them, so the reference to edit warring seems similarly unusual. Finally, we have images which have the same effect—illustrating what the article's subject looks like. We don't need a photo of her during every moment of her life to do that. Seraphimblade 06:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

These do, however, violate #1, as they are replaceable. We can show what she looks like using other images, we can explain that she is an actress using text alone. I'm happy to discuss this to a reasonable degree, as I'd like you to understand why they're being removed, but they're going to be removed. The outcome is not malleable here, NFC requirements are not open to discussion. If you need further clarification as to replaceability I'll be happy to provide it. Your explanation is incorrect, so it really doesn't matter if you've provided it, the images are demonstrably replaceable by having already been replaced. Seraphimblade 17:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Zinta

Hi Shahid I'm very bust at the mo with Mali regions, I'll have a look at Zinta later. Dr. Blofeld 19:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes she is, but couldn't stand the choice of song though! Like the sort of corny melodramatics songs like "I can't live without you, everyday I feel in disarray since you left me. My hearts breaks weep weep etc LOL. teenage girl style. SOunds like a cross between the Backstreet Boys and Enrique Iglesias LOL. Dr. Blofeld 13:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Replace it with this and that video would be better! Dr. Blofeld 20:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Damn this woman is hot!. SO is just sooo sexy. I've been watching her interview Beckham, she is amazing, brings back memories of my last trip to Italy. God I remember the most gorgeous woman I've ever seen physically walk onto to my bus on the way from from Sorrento to Amalfi. I could not take my eyes off of her. She had on this gorgeous tan suede jacket and boots, the most stunning long dark chesnut colored hair like something from a hair shampoo advert LOL. So clean and silky. Eyes that looked like deep pools of rich luxurious melting chocolate... So just ..... WOW! Dr. Blofeld 19:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Si. Muy romantico. I'm a Taurus, Taurus's are alpha romantics and sensual! Average? Probably about 27 or 28. A lot of my sisters friends married in the last year or so I'd say about 27 or 28. There are of course some who get married very young, most end in divorce unfortunately. Dr. Blofeld 21:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Its amazing but I think I tick the boxes on all of the traits given at Taurus (astrology)!! Dr. Blofeld 21:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello my dear friend!! How are you? You seem to be editing quite frequently these days!! :) Hope all is well!! Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz 18:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Great. Admittedly I do like Susan Sarandon, I was only thinking after seeing her on Graham Norton how cool she is. Shes not the most stunning woman to grace the planet by a long way but she definately has something about her that is attractive. LOL she looks how you'd expect if you crossed an Irishman with an Italian woman, red hair, brown eyes LOL. Dr. Blofeld 17:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Certainly helps with the film being Canadian and the Toronto contacts in gaining recognition. Good to see she is interested as an actress as a form of art, not just a pretty face in a standard Blockbuster. The "flexibility" description is certainly ringing true and should shut up people like Martinee James who think she is not talented. Dr. Blofeld 17:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

How about Taare...

Hi Shahid - thanks for your help with Chak De India. I wonder if I could ask you to take a look at Taare Zameen Par - I'd like to push it to GA eventually but it still needs a lot of work. Would you or other editors that you know be interested in working on it? I'm a bit swamped in "real life" at the moment so I can't contribute that much for a bit. I think it's potentially a GA article with a little bit of development. Hope all is well, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Shahid and thanks for the nice words. Yes, I've been working relatively alone on the article for far too long - it would be great to have other editors work on and develop it. It may be a matter of going through the references which are already included and developing sections such as production and reception and that will take the work of many sets of eyes. Now I have to get back to other work :-) -Classicfilms (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I would also like to see CDI in FAC. Perhaps as other editors contribute to both articles, they will both develop in that direction. I'll be periodically breaking for other work but I'll check in when I have some time. -Classicfilms (talk) 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism: explanation, guidance and warning

I seriously beg to difer. For one, I see nowhere on the page where the 2 sites I mentioned are disallowed. For one, iefilmi.com is a website of an actual advisory board composed of film and movie professionals an journalists, and specifically states that it takes "all reasonable care to ensure that pages published by the site are objective, accurate and factual on the stated date of publication or last modification". Which unless you yourself are in the industry, holds more credibility than any mere fan or editor.

I already put my justification on why I selectively used akhilesh.in. Its only on the items shere it went indepth with the exact items that were copied. Of course if the contents were not true, I'm sure you could find me some other objective that disproves it.

And another thing. I did not do a full revision, I added on to the article with even more links. Even, as you requested, links from outside the 2 sites you were (unjustifiably) restricting me from. As well as a clearer definition of plagiarism (in the main article itself) to justify why some of those movies are in the list. But you apparently miss that and all the other additions.

Therefore you are the one who is actually doing the full revision.

In your own words:

Another full version reversal from your part will be considered violation of these policies and therefore a deliberate act of vandalism which most certainly may cause to your immediate block.

I do welcome third party arbitration on this. Its obvious who has been the one doing actual research work, and who's the one oging about valdalising with a simple click of the undo button WITHOUT checking the additions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhanzhao (talk • contribs) 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

In case you did not realize, the only thing I did was remove the iefilmi and akhilesh citations, the rest of the references were mostly already there in my original edit. Zhanzhao (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Zinda vs Oldboy

Kindly explain why Zinda is being removed on the list as an alleged plagiarising movie off Oldboy. The Zinda article has a point by point analysis of the similarities. There is a pending lawsuit from the makers of the original against the makers of Zinda]. And yet it gets removed from the list without explanation. Therefore its only justfiable that I hold that my interpretation of the Wiki rules are more correct than yours, since yours seem to be bent towards a certain agenda. Zhanzhao (talk) 05:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Aishwarya Rai

Using the word Aishwarya is not wrong nor it is a FRIENDLY name, its her official first name. Its not as if I am using the word Ash here.

Salary part has been taken off but the Most successfull.... part is not at all wrong its a fact with proper sources and also it is specially mentioned that it is in the context of Box office total. This one is not related to her salary. Infact when I was going through the Bollywood page I found this source revealing the same thing, about two other actresses.

Miss World: It requires a different section as it tells about her title win and modelling career which is totaly different from her acting career and the title win is a special achievment in itself. She is mentioned as a model and an actress which are totally different line of professions.This is just an improvment to the article.

French honour: I really don't see anything wrong in this one and a reason it should not be mentioned. It is not a rumour but a fact with cited sources. It is a special French government honour(Its their civil award) with only handful of Indians receiving it, so it should be mentioned.

Media: I've added the word international in relation to the content of this section. The section basically focuses on her special popularity in International Media.

You wrote "Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not magazine, not a list of information, not a newspaper, and not a fansite"

I am not a big fan of her's nor I am trying to start a media publication out here, her article was highly underwritten in comparison to her achievments and length of her career, I just improved it.What do you mean by not a list of information(you wrote that)? What are encyclopedia's for????

And stop giving me that block Bull S**t. I know how does wikipedia works and I am not doing anything against its rules.The Dark Wizard • 10:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude can we PLEASE discuss it???????? I took that success thing off, but what's with other things, Every Indian(or NRI) knows that she has been a Miss world..The Dark Wizard • 11:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Appreciated!!!! What about the french award?..The Dark Wizard • 11:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

And that supercouple thing we all know that don't we??The Dark Wizard • 11:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

U are the one who is reverting my edits, showing tendencies to be blocked. pepsi is a global company, but srk in not its global ambassador but the Indian one. She was among the global brand ambassadors. A global brand ambassador represents the product globally like Tiger woods for Gillete, Or Rahul dravid for the same, and what u mean by stop adding, who are you to decide when to write or when not to??The Dark Wizard • 09:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude wheras Her Amitabh... is concerned, blame yourself, u did that i didn't and do you know any other Indian artist to do that?The Dark Wizard • 09:33 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Although she is still a part of it, she became a part of polio campaign before appearing on the show, and what is your problem with the formatting?The Dark Wizard • 09:40 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Trust me loser u ain't good enugh to be that at all. I didn't copy nothing .In the words of mighty Misplaced Pages sources ?The Dark Wizard • 09:50 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Bollywood films and plagiarism submitted for arbitration

Just to let you know. Since you already said "established editors and admins" are involved this is just a formality.Zhanzhao (talk) 10:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Its not vandalism when

I'm merely undoing the vandalism you were doing to my replies. Look at the results of your edits. See what you're doing.Zhanzhao (talk) 13:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources

Buenas Dias Shahid. Might I recommend an evaluation of these sources on the project talk page. This way we can reach a consensus on whether or not these sources are appropriate and base your reverts on some kind of project agreement. Cordialmente. Dr. Blofeld 15:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you would participate in the discussion on the talk page of Indian cinema. This way we have a future reference to provide users who wrongfully add links from these sites that they are against guidelines. Dr. Blofeld 21:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shahid. I've given my take on it. I've also left a note in the plagiarism talk page that I think the article should be deleted for the given reasons. It does nothing really but degrade Bollywood and the credibility of its directors and is not encyclopedic. It can be mentioned in the main article but I don't think the current article is an appropriate entry. Would you be upset if I took the article to afd? Dr. Blofeld 12:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Any thoughts?? Dr. Blofeld 14:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree. Thanks for your kind words amigo. I just think an article on it is likely to have permanent issues anyway even if you source it. OK I'll just upload a crappy low res image for 1985 Yash Chopra's Faasla and then I'll list it at AFD. Dr. Blofeld 14:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I've redirected for now and removed the list but I have suspicions that it won't be long before somebody feels the need to restore it. If so. Then I'll take it to AFD. Undoubtedly hundreds of films porbably have resemblance, probably many Hollywood films resembles other and vice versa so I don't think the list is good enough so I've removed that. I think a good solid paragraph using book sources and newsapapers can be written about it in the main article but nothing further. Dr. Blofeld 14:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Filmfare awards

Thanks Shahid. I plan to complete the format for the rest of the categories for which nominations are announced too. Also i'm trying to do the same for Star Screen Awards. Anyways, I noticed you made a change of years in the Filmfare Best Movie Award and edited it according to the years they were presented in. Actually, my format is similar to the format of international film awards on Misplaced Pages and all those awards say the year for which the film belonged and not when they were awarded. Its a minor thing but please see to it and also inform me what to do the next time. Kindly refer:

• Academy Award for Best Picture
• Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture – Drama

Anant Singh (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I prefer it the earlier way coz the awards have been awarded for 'that' year and on all the sites (except IMDb; they have different set of rules) as well as in books, it is referenced like that...Junoon won the 1979 Filmfare Award and so on. But i suppose i can wait and see which one is the best through further discussions by other wikimembers. I'll update the other categories in Filmfare with the 'year they were awarded in' for the time being. Regards,

Anant Singh (talk) 18:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

My beloved grandmother

I'm worried about my grandma at the moment. Shes extremely ill. I hate February, it is the death month. My Grandad died on February 23, my Grampy on Febryary 5th, this year my great aunty died on February 4th. I'm hoping my nan will get better. Shes 103, so as you can imagine we think she has only days to live. I'm so sad but she has lived to an incredible age. I want her to live to 120! Dr. Blofeld 17:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope so, she has just had several chest infections in the last few weeks. Things like that during the winter are enough to kill people in their 70s let alone who are a generation older at 103. Hopefully the antibiotics will cure it. She managed up until about 98 living by herself after my Granddad died in 1993. Now she is in a nursing home and surrounded by people coughing and spluttering in the winter! She lieved not far from the birth place of Ivor Novello! Dr. Blofeld 19:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Have a listen to this. It is like the quintessential rock ballad. I think the track would work well with a teary eyed Zinta? Let me know what you think. If a cheesy love song has to be given I'd rather they did it with some style eh, not like Backstreet Boys LOL/ Dr. Blofeld 19:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I love Boston ,in my view one of the best rock bands to come out of the states along with Aeromsith, Lynard Skynard etc of course. WHen it comes to female vocalists you like Celine Dion, Whintey and Mariah right? I must admit I find Emmylou Harris more touching. There is something in her voice that affects me. Have a listen to this. You've probably heard it before. Dr. Blofeld 20:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shahid. Extremely ill. She has been in and out of a coma the last few days. The phone has been ringing like crazy. I;ve been ill myself with horrid salmonella poisoning and am still recovering so I haven't seen her for three days unfortunately. We had a phone call two nights ago (I thought it was going to be "the news" ) but they said she wasn't responding. She is slipping in and out of a coma, it will be a miracle if she pulls through this. At 103 her immune system will be drastically lower than when younger which is partly why few people live this long or longer. The older the body gets the harder it is to fight off infections and disease. She has always been an extremely tough woman (well matched with my late grandad), my sister reminds me VERY much of her. I'm just praying that she will get better as just two weeks ago she was in wonderful health for her age. If she can beat this chest infection and coma I know she has life still left in her. Dr. Blofeld 11:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Feeling so sad now. Just received a phone call to say her pulse is getting weaker and her kidneys have packed up and so is her liver about to too. Shes had a wonderfully long life but I feel so sad at her passing and breakdown like this. Death comes to us all, most much sooner than 103 but I will miss her greatly.

I'm kind of feeling as you do when you learn that a close family member has died right now, or is near death, a sickening emotion. I suspect she won't last the night. I loved her dearly ever since I was a baby. Dr. Blofeld 18:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Hello!!!

Hi! How are you? I am fine, and irregular in WP. Oh, and we missed you the day Zinta was featured in the main page. Hopw everything is well with you. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

That's great! I did not know that. Working on anything particular now?--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Bollywood

Hey Shshshsh, Just wanted to..well... I don't know honestly. I just happened to see the whole thing you have going on with the Bollywood page, with several editors (either legit or not, doesn't matter). It looks like you a good editor, so I'll just say this like that. I'd be careful about 3RR or even being involved in an edit war. Maybe take a step back, and legitimately talk this out. Maybe you yourself should look into these sources. If they don't add up, then bring that up. That's all. Good editing!

--Amaraiel 06:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeh it's a concern over a source, which is clearly unreliable. But I now decided to help this user and add a reliable source myself. Let's see his behaviour now. Shahid • 06:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems like more then just a source, but anyway. That's good that you've decided to help him. I figured I should probably step in before good editors get into a hole. :D --Amaraiel 06:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I was blocked now. Shahid • 06:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I extended Zhanzhao's block for block evasion. But Shshshsh -- I completely agree with this block and was about to decline your unblock request when Ed beat me to it. You seem to think that after a short, recent conversation between you and Zhanzhao, with relatively little input from others, that a consensus has developed on these sources, but it hasn't. Discussion is needed... and I do tend to believe that Zhanzhao is the one who needs to find some substantive responses, but acting as if the matter is settled is only making things worse. Mangojuice 19:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Mspraveen (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, Go on smile! Cheers, and Happy editing!
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Hi Shahid! I'm not sure if you'll find my message unobtrusive, but I wanted to cheer you up for what happened. Don't be boggled down by what happened. Things happen. It is best you relax yourself a bit, and once the block is over you should get back to what you do best - edit film articles! :-) Regards, Mspraveen (talk) 04:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

You should have sent emails out... as for the comments from the admins that everyone is subject to policy....um no, if admins break policies people turn the other way...some admins use blogs and then block other people for using proper sources...of course they can swear all day no problems as well....YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Whatever else is going on above, I just wanted to say thank you for working together with me on Bollywood. Despite maybe getting off on the wrong foot, I think we eventually addressed each other's concerns and improved the article, and I thank you in all sincerity for a good collaboration! --207.237.223.118 (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)]]

I'm glad to see things are getting better. Sort of. I disagree with this block though, with all due respect to involved admins. I think at some point you had tried to resolve the situation. But alas, I don't think it's worth much at this point. --Amaraiel 05:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

New topic

Hello my dear friend. How are you doing?? I just needed to ask you a quick question about the awards that appear in a table format in the "external links" of an article such as . Every year, an actor is awarded for his/her work in a certain category. However, during some of the years, no award is given in that category. Take for instance the Filmfare Best Male Debut Award; Shiney Ahuja won in 2006, then no one won the award in 2007 and then Ranbir Kapoor won in 2008. Since no one won during the year 2007, I was wondering if we just leave that part of the table blank or should we add Shiney Ahuja in. Do you get what I am talking about?? LOL -- Bollywood Dreamz 18:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL, I am glad to know that both of our favorite actresses have decided to become friends!! LOL :P BTW, have you heard about Slumdog Millionaire's win at the 81st Academy Awards?? The film has earned 8 Oscars out of the 10 nominations it received, with three of them going to Indians!! WOW!!! A. R. Rahman is truly a complete genius!! Take a look at this!! Who do you think will win?? (P.S. There seems to be a problem with all of the BOI links; all of them are dead and none of them seem to work anymore. It looks like the site is currently being updated!! I hope that is the case otherwise we wouldn't have a proper source to indicate box office figures of films.) -- Bollywood Dreamz 02:45, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Slumdog Millionaire winning 8 out of the 10 Oscars it was nominated for is indeed a great victory for India. Many people have stated that this film has played a big role in reducing the gap between Bollywood and Hollywood; it has taken the perception of Indians to a whole new level. Over the next couple of years, we can probably expect a lot more cross-over films. A perfect example of this is with the case of Heaven on Earth. TBH, I never knew that Ms.Zinta was nominated at the Genie Awards, the Canadian version of the Academy Awards. It indeed is a great big accomplishment for her. What saddens me the most is that I haven't seen the film yet!! Have you?? The Indian-dubbed version is expected to release around next month.

As for the Indian awards, what can I say?? Nowadays, the Indian awards are becomig quite monotonous. It is like the awards are given to actors based on hype/popularity rather than merit and talent. =( Since the results of the Filmfare Awards will be announced soon, I have a small fun game for you. =) Out of all the actresses that won the Filmfare Best Actress Award from 2001-onwards, list them in the order based on who you felt fully deserved it. I have included my list below:

• Karisma for Fiza (2001)
• Rani for Black (2006)
• Preity for KHNH (2004)
• Kajol for K3G (2002)
• Kareena for JWM (2008)
• Aish for Devdas (2003)
• Kajol for Fanaa (2007)
• Rani for Hum Tum (2005)

-- Bollywood Dreamz 17:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Grandmother

Perhaps you didn't get the news Shahid she died last night. Dr. Blofeld 17:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Well she died with my father holding her hand and his sisters and brothers around. He said he could feel her pulse gradually getting weaker and her hand colder as the night progressed, She sneezed 3 last times gave a little sigh then died. So she died peacefully and probably in the best way she could have. Imagine how you would feel after 103, pretty knackered. Dr. Blofeld 17:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I'm OK, not my usual self, its difficult to feel happy at the moment, February is always difficult anyway but having lost a close Great Aunty and Grandmother in a few weeks I'm feeling a little off set at present. I've just been listening to Belfast Child written about the IRA bombing in 1987. Beautiful song. Dr. Blofeld 11:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I could sure use some cheering up! Yes Slumdog as expected scooped up the Oscars. I bet it feels great that an Indian film won all those awards. Theres all these American blockbusters that the critics just seem to hate and then somebody shoots a film with a lesser known actors in Mumbai for $15 million, they go crazy for it! Have you seen the film yet? Dr. Blofeld 13:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course it isn't an "Indian" film like Bollywood films are etc but it was made in India and starring Indian or Indian origin cast members. So the fact that something Indian related won 8 oscars should be a good thing and help close the gap between "east" and "west". Not sure if it will have any positive effect on the Indian film industry in the west but it certainly is not a bad thing. Dr. Blofeld 11:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL. I bet there are some seriously bad films made, just like in Hollywood. Dr. Blofeld 10:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thats terrible though. 80% is way too high. I thought you said you thought Bollywood was the best film industry? The problem I see is that they produce far too many films. There just always seems to be a big rush to get films out so it probably affects the quality and depth of a lot of them. Perhaps if they released less films and focused on producing good films the situation would improve. Dr. Blofeld 11:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Dark Wizard

He has a few more socks. Block extendned. I also replied about the FU thing. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 05:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Locked. Blocked the hulk. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 08:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Urdu

I read on the history of Bhootnath about some Urdu debate back in 2006. Can you link me to it please? Reagrds, --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh there are too many. One discussion took place once, and since then there have been thousand such discussions elsewhere, without reaching consensus about the issue. Shahid • 06:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Ohkay, Thanks a lot anyway. Good Luck. Jai Hind, TTYL. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Honduras Baldy

Seems the services of the Bald One are appreciated even in Honduras see Dr. Blofeld 12:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.--195.64.23.130 (talk) 08:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)