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Paul H. Allen at DYK

Interesting article! I have made some suggestions as to the wording of the hook -- please review as soon as you can to prevent this being passed over. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Deeply sorry for my appalling timing. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Deepest sympathy

They found the bodies this morning. I was hoping for a better outcome, I really was. This is just heartbreaking. Guettarda (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

They will be in my prayers, Guettarda. FloNight♥♥♥ 01:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Truly sad news. FloNight♥♥♥ 17:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Our hearts go out to you and your family. It's so hard to know what to say. What we really want is to be able to change it for you. :-( SlimVirgin 01:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Terrible news. So sorry. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh nooooo, dearest Guettarda :' ( what awful news. Much love, tears, and deepest sympathy. --MPerel 04:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Man, that really sucks. So sorry. Hesperian 06:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I go to sleep tonight with you in my thoughts. Take care of yourself my friend.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 06:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

This is dreadful news, and completely heartbreaking. It's hard even thinking about the pain this must be causing for you and your family, so sorry to hear of this, you have my thoughts and condolences. . dave souza, talk 09:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

:-( Dragons flight (talk) 09:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I just read the link on your user page and understand you've lost two people who clearly meant a great deal to you. My profound condolences, dear ((Guettarda)).* I hold you and yours in my thoughts and prayers and wish you peace. *my arms around you. :/ deeceevoice (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

My deepest sympathies for you in this difficult time. You and your family are in my thoughts. KillerChihuahua 11:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I am very saddened by this, Guettarda. My heart reaches out to you and the rest of those closest to you. ... Kenosis (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Words fail me here. I just want you to know that my thoughts are with you, with my deepest sympathies to you and your family. OrangeMarlin 16:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm very sorry Guettarda. These two people clearly meant a lot to you. I share this moment of reflection with you. --CSTAR (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

No man is an island, and this is especially true in small communities such as this one. Your loss is our loss. Words cannot adequately convey how sorry we are. Personally, I have lost people before, but never suddenly like this. What you and your family must be going through must be very difficult. I offer my deepest condolences in these hard times. JoshuaZ (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

My heartfelt condolences to you, your sister and your family. •Jim62sch• 20:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. While studying I had heard of the search come across the radio in Trinidad during the hourly news update but I hadn't yet put two-and-two together to take them to be your relatives. I express to you and the rest of the entire Ramjohn family my most heartfelt and expressed condolences at this very tragic loss. It is clear to all that they gave of themselves a great deal of service for Trinidad and Tobago in their research and for that myself and others in society should be grateful for the service they have given to the country. CaribDigita (talk) 20:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I am very sorry to hear that. My deepest sympathies and condolences dear Guettarda. -- FayssalF - 20:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I too offer my condolences. Sincerely, --A Nobody 22:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

My condolences, Guettarda. It is good to have closure, but not this closure. --Una Smith (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My utmost condolences, Guettarda. Amerique 14:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone in my house survived 24 hours out there last year lost diving (for a living not tourism), hope things are as well as can be expected, best wishes. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My sympathy and solidarity man. Alun (talk) 04:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My God...my most heartfelt sympathies Guettarda. I can't imagine... Aunt Entropy (talk) 05:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My sympathy and condolences, as usual in such cases, words fail. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My condolences Guettarda; your family is in our prayers. -- Samir 07:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I just found out this morning about your terrible loss and my heart goes out to you. I, too, have just lost someone close recently. I will be sending warm thoughts of strength and fellowship as I lie awake at night waiting for the pain to dull (it comes in waves) and allow me to sleep. John Hill (talk) 22:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

My deepest sympathy my friend. I lost someone too in the New Year and it really just is hard to get through. If you need to talk, you can send me a message any time. Spawn Man (talk) 03:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw you briefly at that awful Egyptian controversy article a couple of days ago, and I wanted to drop by again to tell you I haven't forgotten, that you and yours are still in my thoughts and prayers. Memories persist, and healing will come. Bless, :) deeceevoice (talk) 10:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Paul H. Allen

On January 14, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Paul H. Allen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Banderas

Hello, in light of recent discoveries, I am proposing a consensus concerning the colors of the flag of Puerto Rico in neutral articles. Please see the project's talk page for further detail. Thanks for your time. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

This is for the most part a copy/pasted notice, but I would like to offer my condolences for this recent loss. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

ID images

As I said on Dave's talk page, I am discussing the images, heavily, both on the talk page and elsewhere. I continued to remove them from the article, not because there was a clear consensus to remove them, but because there was no clear consensus to include them. The non-free content criteria are quite clear on that front- the burden of proof lies with those wishing to include the images. J Milburn (talk) 19:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm also a little concerned about your characterisation of my edits as "disruptive", while continuing to edit war yourself. Why do you believe the version with the images is the one we should settle on while the images are being discussed? Your assertion that "the image use appears to be in keeping with our rules" does not reflect the heated debate on the article talk page. As I have said, I feel the images should remain our of the article at the current time not because there is a clear consensus for their removal, but because their is no clear consensus for their retention, and the non-free content criteria are quite clear on where the burden of proof lies. J Milburn (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What? As I have said, I am involved in the discussion, far more heavily than you are. Furthermore, I have not edited the main article since you did, so there was no need for any kind of additional warning. I am not saying that I don't like it- I am saying that there is no consensus to keep the images. If you believe there is, we have a very different definition of consensus. In stating that the images appear to meet our policy, you are the one who is effectively ignoring the discussion and instead deciding what is best for the article. Do you honestly believe that there is a current consensus for the images to be retained? J Milburn (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Once again, simply stating that I am being disruptive does not make it so. Also, I do not appreciate this whole "warning" thing- I have been an administrator for over a year; I know the ropes. If you are going to undo my edits, the least you can do is answer a few questions. Do you honestly believe there to be a consensus for retaining the images? J Milburn (talk) 19:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Our basic disagreement seems to be that you believe there is a clear consensus for the images to be kept, meaning that my removal of them is disruptive, while I believe that there is no clear consensus, meaning that my removal is valid. That would be fair enough. However, you argue that my involvement in the debate means that I cannot fairly judge whether there is a consensus, meaning that your judgement of consensus is more objective, yet, in the same edit, argue for how involved in the discussion you have been. I find that a little alarming. Unless one of us is "right" about the consensus (and, as you have argued, neither of us could be a fair judge of that) then if any of my edits have been disruptive, so was yours. J Milburn (talk) 20:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

where things should be

I'm not sure what good it will do. I've made my case that the bird family should be at bird of paradise. The page is rather disorganised at present (not helped by a bunch of people !voting at another proposal), but at the moment it seems to be in the hands of consensus. I'd try and clarify the options, for example provide three options to !vote on (at present the page is set up so that it's Una's or nothing) but since I've been strongly advocating a position that would probably make things more irritating. I'm not going to disrupt things just because I think I'm right. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The whole page is confusing. That's what happens in these situations (check out recent activity at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (flora) which I barely follow just to make sure no sweeping changes happen by attrition of exausted editors. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Secondary forest

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/science/earth/30forest.html Fred Talk 15:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages naming conventions for organisms

Hi, Guettarda, I've posted this elsewhere, where you will certainly see it, but I am trying to notify everyone involved most recently:

I suggest that Misplaced Pages should change its naming conventions for organism articles to require scientific names, and this suggestion should be discussed fully at Misplaced Pages naming conventions. --KP Botany (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally think that editing by consensus can work, which means, I value your input whether you agree with me or not. If you're just disrupting Misplaced Pages, I don't value your input, but that's not the case with you, even when you and I disagree. It's not the case with most of the editors I disagree with on Misplaced Pages. So, come on by, and disagree with me. And thanks for taking the time. --KP Botany (talk) 07:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:My incivility

No, I was just not happy with the method. That conversation was going nowhere. If you want to discuss my incivility, do so on my talk page with specific references to the phrases that you are unhappy with. J Milburn (talk) 10:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

List of herbaria

Caribbean would fit where - North America? Guettarda (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but only if the herbarium has a minimum of 200,000 specimens. Herbaria smaller than that are placed on the List of herbaria in North America, where they are grouped with Central America. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Endemic flora of Trinidad and Tobago

On February 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Endemic flora of Trinidad and Tobago, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 07:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Wild horse

Hi. I think the general opinion re Wild horse is in flux, and it may be helpful if on Talk:Wild horse#Request move you would register your view in the survey section. Regards, Una Smith (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Justicia flaviflora

On February 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Justicia flaviflora, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 18:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ignatz Urban

On February 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ignatz Urban, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 02:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

spellunking

You think? I know. Thanks. --KP Botany (talk) 04:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Who hasn't sat in a read-along praying to their gods to not be called upon at a tricky passage? I use a fuzzy spell-checker that allows common alternative spellings that are found on certain types of pages on Misplaced Pages, to allow for British versus American English. I wrote it for spell-checking 19th century British texts, but adapted it in part for the Misplaced Pages issue. For some reason the spell checker okayed this spelling, as it sometimes does with really commonly misspelled words, but doing a search doesn't pull up lots of pages with this spelling.

Ah, well, I'm a really bad speller, and I appreciate everyone who tidies up after me, no matter what is being tidied. --KP Botany (talk) 04:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

agreeing with you

Don't worry, I'm not agreeing with you, I'm just defending the side of reason as logic... as usual... You just happen to be on that side this time.  ;-) --Born2cycle (talk) 05:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your support on the NFC fracas

I thank you for your support on John's talk page, and on the AN/I page.

I always thought block warnings only came out after at least three or four warnings except for completely egregious behavior. So it was quite a shock to be given "not a threat, but a promise" to be blocked if I made another move without being told why I would be blocked. I had never ever been given any kind of warning for my editing here, much less a block warning: I wholeheartedly back the mission and philosophy of Misplaced Pages. And although I'm not confident in my straight content-building ability, I do my best to support those editors who do build the encyclopedia, and I'd like to think I am considered an editor in good standing. This affected me more than I care to admit. Aunt Entropy (talk) 19:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to note that this sort of thing is increasingly endemic on the wiki, and this is just one particular example. (I will refrain from being explicit about where else I've noticed this sort of use, or abuse, of administrative power based upon hasty or incorrect interpretations of WP policy.) WP:Consensus is policy too, and when that's threatened by administrative power plays of this kind, I'm afraid the project has reached its limits of competence in keeping with the Peter principle. It's something the community will no doubt need to discuss and deal with if it is to maintain its best possible health and vibrancy in the future. ... Kenosis (talk) 22:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Kisten Dunst FAC

I've taken care of your concerns, regarding its FAC review. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Life listing!

Thanks for stopping by! I haven't even put half the plants I've seen from Arizona there ... and I just moved to Florida. So, yeah, it's quite the personal project ^^ -- Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 03:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Skid cone

I looked at the Skid cone article, I think you're right and it is notable. I googled it and it appears whoever wrote it just took the first couple of commercial links verbatim, but it appears to be patented. I threw a forestry stub on it for now and a link to it from the Topic outline of forestry, will think about linking to it more later this week. I've seen them used, and I think that it could be mentioned in any one of the timber harvesting articles :) minnecologies (talk) 13:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

re:point

§hep 01:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Puerto Rico Newsletter Year III - Issue 1 - Fall & Winter 2008-09

The WikiProject Puerto Rico Newsletter Year III - Issue 1 - Fall & Winter 2008-09
"Yo exigí que se tocara La Borinqueña." - José Torres to Rafael Bracero, discussing the preparations for his championship fight against Willie Pastrano.
From the editor Hello, Guettarda. This is the sixth issue of WikiProject Puerto Rico's newsletter. The newsletter is intended to help all members to keep up with the latest news relating to the project. Continuing our new format, this issue will discuss the news, achievements and other incidences relevant to our project between fall and winter. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Flags and records Greetings, during the past months, there has been a lot of activity and active discussion surrounding articles within our scope. Of particular interest is one that took place in Flag of Puerto Rico, in which several project members exposed their points of view regarding the tones of our flag. Ultimately, research brought forth a severe loophole in the regulation employed by the Senate of Puerto Rico. Our flag doesn't have official tones! Attempting to prevent future conflicts, I presented a proposal in the project's talk page. The subsequent discussion served as an perfect example of consensus. Thanks to everyone for your participation. In other news, our friend Tony the Marine added another impressive achievement to his brilliant resume. On December 8, 2008, his DYK hook for Ivan Castro (soldier) broke the previous all-time record for more views, receiving 71,300 visits. Tony has also been actively cooperating with this Newsletter, the inclusion of a new "Did you Know?" section, was entirely his idea. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)	Users who helped with this newsletter Caribbean H.Q. (talk · contribs) Marine 69-71 (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help Voluntaries are needed to improve Puerto Rico. Please help Marcos maintain Portal:Puerto Rico. An image for you!
Project News On January 3, 2009, Cerejota presented a draft interested in establishing a solid style guide for the project. The current revision can be seen here, further suggestions can be placed in the project's talk page. Puerto Rican Campaign, Jewish immigration to Puerto Rico, Currencies of Puerto Rico and Sixto Escobar are now of good article quality. Facts from Isabel Gonzalez, Jewish immigration to Puerto Rico, Chinese immigration to Puerto Rico, Ivan Castro (soldier), Currencies of Puerto Rico, Orlando Antigua and Jaime Fonalledas were featured in the "Did you know..." section of the main page. List of Puerto Rican boxing world champions is currently a featured list candidate Luis Muñoz Rivera and Flag of Puerto Rico, articles within our scope, are currently good article nominees.
Puerto Rican Highlight On November 1, Jonathan González won the flyweight division's gold medal at the International Boxing Association's Youth World Championships. (Primera Hora) González joins John John Molina, Aníbal Santiago Acevedo, Carlos Febres and Daniel Alicea as gold medalists in this competition. Did you Know? That the Elfin-woods Warbler, an endemic bird of Puerto Rico first observed in 1968, is the last New World warbler species to be discovered?

Addbot (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Olbermann Talk Page

Hi, I know you are trying to assume good faith by requesting a source here , but as I read it, WP:BLP is extremely clear:

Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.

As was my understanding, this applies EVEN on a talk page. WindyCityRider (talk) 20:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I over-reacted, but the comment seemed so absurd as to be snide and aimed at button pushing, I deemed it having no place in our serious discussion. Perhaps I should err on the side of assuming good faith, and if he pushed the issue, I'll leave it so as to give him a chance to provide some sourcing, and then we can review if it merits discussion or inclusion. Thanks for your feedbackm BTW. WindyCityRider (talk) 20:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RFCU

Thanks for the note. Usually WP:RFCU isn't supposed to be used for fishing trips, but I'm uncomfortable with making an outright accusation -- I don't have a clear idea of who might be controlling the network. In my experience, this many new or mostly-unused SPA's arriving all at once to tow a party line tend to be the work of one or two individuals. Then again, it might just be a hoard of individauls who found a thread on thelatestrightwingblogplace.com. Your observations are always appreciated.  :) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Active disputes

While I understand your frustration, I have to point out that excessively archiving active discussions can give the impression of attempting to stifle debate (especially with an active thread). While I agree with your assessment that the latest thread could be questioned against the literal interpretation of talk page guidelines, I think it's probably best to pick your battles. Don't get discouraged, though.  :) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 00:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

... for the backup there. I finally, with a heavy sigh, slammed shut my laptop and went to bed. Sometimes you just have to walk away ... All the best, Antandrus (talk) 14:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Category Carnaval rename

The other items you mention are basically singular things. While Carnival can be a holiday, like the others, its usage varies around the world. In addition you have things that are not holidays like Category:Traveling carnivals. So in this case the category clearly should be of the plural form. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Mother India (book)

That's the plan (rewriting it). --iFaqeer (talk) 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Violation of Jimbo Guidelines By You

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Barack_Obama

You obviously are the one violating the rules. I am being perfectly within the bounds and if you can't take truth to power then I suggest you get out of the way because if you are the one deleting my mentioning of the systemic problems then you should be ashamed of your lack of following the Jimbo guidelines which should be your duty, sir . JohnHistory (talk) 05:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)johnHistory

Yeah, stop violating WP:JG you literal fascist. Hesperian 05:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

They sure come out of the woodwork when you are not "in step" don't they. JohnHistory (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Stop Abusing the integrity of your position

Your posts are juvenile in nature. Lets up the standard a little bit please. JohnHistory (talk) 05:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory