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I've been staying far away from any post at AN/I labeled Obama, because I don't want to get anywhere near that can of worms. But I accidentally noticed your edit summary. Could I make a friendly suggestion that with a frustration level that high it might be time for a walk in the sunshine and the smelling of a few flowers?--Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

There's two things you should know about Yorkshire: its inhabitants are blunt, and it's countryside is overcast and muddy. Seriously. Sceptre 22:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, now I understand what caused my Yorkshire ancestors to think northern Utah was a good place to live. Thank goodness my grandmother figured out there were better and warmer places, and moved futher west. ;-) I'll shove some California sunshine into my USB port -- you should have it in a jiffy. --Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Fun fact: the UK is about the size of Utah. Wetter weather, though, I hope. Funnily enough, though, I can't remember the last time it rained. Mustapha bin at elast a week ago. Sceptre 22:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:IAR talk removal

That's what I thought when I first saw the new section. However, I took a quick look at the editor contribs and thought it worth responding to, if dismissively. Looking again, 30,000 edits kinda gives the right to at least pose the question, even if it is IMO a pretty bad one. Maybe you'd like to think again and instead just restore and archive the thread? Franamax (talk) 00:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It was far from a serious proposal. It did not even give justification. It may not have been trolling(then again perhaps it was), but removing it saves lots of time to get the same result. I would consider a long history here a reason to thing the user was aware it is an active policy, but again that is just an assumption. Chillum 00:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it did seem rather mischievous and I responded as such, including noting the lack of substance. My personal outlook (since this is the one main page that convinced me I could start contributing here, as long as I actually had a clue) is that that pillar is important enough to patiently respond to every question and challenge, no matter how tiresome. Persistent inability to get it is telling, but constant questioning is just fine. I'd rather see the thread restored and convincingly refuted. Franamax (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

And remember that the only time you can choose to save is your own - this is a volunteer site, it's not for you to save me any time, I already know how to do that. :) Franamax (talk) 00:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

(ec)While you do make a good point, I can still see the benefit of removing it. If our fellow Wikipedian wants to try again with a reason that would be better than putting back his reasonless proposal. While one certainly cannot save another's time, one just as certainly can waste another's time. Chillum 00:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It was very definitely trolling. Stevertigo's been trolling Misplaced Pages for at least the past few days, specifically on the Obama pages. It's starting to spill over, though. Sceptre 00:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I found the recent dispute and commented at his talk page. I note though that you seem to be involved in those discussions. All the more reason then that you shouldn't be unilaterally making decisions about what is and is not trolling. Sceptre, you already know where to go to ask others for an opinion and action. I'm off for a few hours. Please consider whether you wish to make a formal report. Don't consider yourself as the sole defender of the wiki. Many others are as equally able to judge as you. The WT:IAR thread could have died its own death without your actions, and you could just as easily have archived it. I'll consider doing just that when I return. It would be better if you did it yourself, rather than unilaterally deleting other good-faith editors' comments. Franamax (talk) 01:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

"troll"

What do you mean by "troll"?

My question's prompted by something that popped up in my watchlist:

(Move log); 23:23 . . Sceptre (talk | contribs | block) moved Talk:Obama-Ayers association controversy to Talk:Bill Ayers presidential election controversy over redirect (revert troll)

The earlier page move might have been wrong (presumably you thought so) or wrong-headed or both, but it doesn't emit the odor of troll. (That would be "Barack Obama terrorist sympathies" or "Barack Obama as latter-day Weatherman" or whatever.) Why personalize it? How about "revert move made without agreement"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Move warring

Dude. Please stop moving articles around. I agree that "Obama-Ayers association controversy" sounds slightly POV, but you cannot have "Bill Ayers presidential election controversy" because it implies that Bill Ayers ran for the highest office in the land! -- Scjessey (talk) 02:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbcom

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#User:Stevertigo's disruptive trolling and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

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