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March, 2009

Rever this edit now, or I will file an AN/I report. Wikidemon (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I wont ... you shouldnt remove another users comments from the talk page. But the ANI was a good idea. CENSEI (talk) 02:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Disengage from Wikidemon

Please stop taunting and pushing buttons of User:Wikidemon. Your contributions (and his) were disruptive and both of you are facing disruption blocks if this continues. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not intentionally pushing his buttons and wont engage him in the short term, but I don’t see how the community can continue to stand idly by while he steamrolls any editor he doesn’t like. CENSEI (talk) 03:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with bringing this to ANI. What was wrong was that before you did that, and after you did that, you pushed his buttons (and visa versa - not ascribing blame as to who started what with that).

The report on ANI will be reviewed. Your input there so far beyond the bare report has just disrupted things further and was not helpful. Please don't make it worse that way - there's more damage done in the ANI discussion than his original deletion caused, and that makes admins want to block everyone involved for extended periods of time. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Point taken. CENSEI (talk) 12:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

E-mail enabled. Ejnogarb (talk) 01:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Voice for Peace

Front Page Magazine isn't a reliable source, period. If you revert my edit again, I'm going to take you to WP:ANI. — ] (talk · contribs) 01:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It most certainly is a Relaible Source so take me to ANI, you were the one edit warring with not one, but two editors. CENSEI (talk) 01:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

CENSEI, I come into this completely uninvolved. I'd be more than willing to take a thorough look at the issue if you wanted, but I can tell you at a first glance that Front Page is no RS. I've really got no solid opinion on the issue (though I'd have no problem relaying what I may think via email). Grsz 03:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

After seeing the links to the archival WP:RS noticeboard I would agree, but to reasonably argue that Commentary is not a RS and to argue that Malik hasnt been edit warring is just not possible. Had he not followed me to Joshua Muravchik, I really could have given a flying funk if he was blocked or not, but he did that out of spite and didnt even take to time to look at what he was reverting and that pissed me off a little.

But I am going to bed, and will check in around 0630 CENSEI (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

Please do not remove information from articles, as you did to Promiscuity. Misplaced Pages is not censored, and content is not removed even if some believe it to be contentious. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material. You also have the option to configure Misplaced Pages to hide the images that you may find offensive. Thank you. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ 20:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

You risk falling afoul of 3rr at Islam and antisemitism.Bali ultimate (talk) 03:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Your email address

I've blocked Allstarecho for 24 hours for repeatedly posting your email address. Would you like to file for an oversight? I was going to delete the edits, but WP:ANI has so many edits that it can't really be deleted. Nyttend (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

yandman 08:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

• (ANI Discussion that led to this block here)

So...

...how are things going with that rope ... "little man"? Last word. 0:) Baseball Bugs carrots 18:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see that you can be such a prick all the way to the end. Drop me an email if you got the stones to step away from behind the monitor. CENSEI (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which... If you had had the "stones" to help Axmann8 when he needed you, after he had defended you, I wouldn't have bothered coming here today. Baseball Bugs carrots 18:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Unlike too many here, I have a life outside of Misplaced Pages that requires a significant ammount of my time. Axeman and I had a nice long chat offline. But like I said, drop me a line if you want to party. CENSEI (talk) 18:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. You failed him when he needed you the most. As for e-mail... well, I get enough spam as it is. Thanks anyway. Baseball Bugs carrots 18:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I am sure Axmean would disagree but you are the person I thought you are ... all talk. CENSEI (talk) 18:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for all the above. It's not appropriate to kick someone when they're down. P.S. Despite many slings and arrows, I remain 6 feet 3 inches tall. :) Baseball Bugs carrots 18:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

CENSEI, this discussion seems to indicate that those voting to block you indefinitely were right to do so. I fear you are missing the point. Responding to taunts in this way is not helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You are correct of course it points to a larger point that the while the behavior of some is gorunds for ejection from wikiepdia, similar behavior from others is not only tolerated but encouraged. CENSEI (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Whether there is a double-standard or not, it is absolutely 100% clear that if you continue to engage in this kind of discussion with someone who taunts you (including telling him to e-mail you if he has the "stones"?????) and if you refuse to take responsibility for YOUR actions, you will remain indefinitely blocked. Right or wrong, those are the facts. Other editors, including B-Ball, have been warned about this kind of discussion that isn't conducive to building an encyclopedia. There are other places to argue. You'd also help your cause if you did more article contributing (areas that aren't controversial would probably be best). Pointing out behavior that other editors get away with isn't going to do you any good. I apologize if I seem preachy, but I'm just trying to be clear. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hi CENSEI. As I understand it you are still able to post here? There is some discussion of whether your indefinite block is appropriate. I wonder if you would consider apologizing and to promise not to misuse the e-mail in the future? A committment to make your best efforts in abiding the letter and spirit of guidelines might also be good. Just a thought. I'm sure you may be upset and I see your are being taunted above, which is troubling giving the circumstances. It's certainly up to you and I'm only making a suggestion for your consideration. As far as I know you have yet to comment since the block. Good luck and take care whatever you decide. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I just got back from a quick trip to Mexico City and havent really had time to digest all of this BS. I am going to request an unblock for no other reason than to have Allstarecho blocked for spamming my email with GLBT spam mail that also included my real name. Shitty thing is that I wasn’t even given an opportunity to defend myself on ANI, but that’s the way a good lynch mob is supposed to work, right? But all in good time. Can you link to the discussion of my indefinite block? CENSEI (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The link is just above the previous section. Please note I did not participate in that discussion. I do think it was a stretch in and of itself. It's just that your prior contentiousness helped fuel it. Baseball Bugs carrots 18:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I endorsed the indefinite block. However, an apology and promise not to misuse the email feature ever again could go a long way towards getting me to change my mind and agree to a reversal of the block. LadyofShalott 18:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

CENSEI, you and I both know there are double standards and that things are not always fair here. But if you are aggresive I am certain things will not go well for you. If you're interested in working on the encyclopedia I strongly urge you to consider my suggestions and to let bygones be bygones in this matter. You were wrong to taunt via e-mail. I suggest you apologize for it and promise not to use it for that kind or purpose ever again. I also recommend highly that you avoid confrontations with editors like Baseball Bugs, as these "discussions" are likely to get you in hot water. Anyway, those are my thoughts. I hope you had a good trip. Welcome back. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I gotta go, but I will respond later tonite. CENSEI (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Censei. I must tell you man that I am apalled by the way you're being treated. I'm disgusted by the inappropriate behavior of so many editors towards you. Your indefinite block was completely uncalled for and far too harsh in my humble opinion. ChildofMidnight is correct when he says there are double standards on wiki but many don't want to admit that on here. Kudos to him for being brave. It's so disturbing to see how it's perfectly acceptable for Allstarecho to out you by repeatedly posting both your first name and email address. Even more disturbing is how he's contined his harassment by spamming your email address with homosexual spam. This is unacceptable behavior. It's extreme harassment. It's so obvious he's a liberal editor with a clear agenda of his own, yet he's not blocked. Where's the justice in that? There is none because he's from the left. Those from the left do as they please and get away with it, or so it seems to me. I've always felt those of us who are conservative are treated far different on wiki and that worries me. I want to believe that such a thing as fairness exists on wiki but I'm having a hard time seeing this here. I feel an apology from several editors is owed to you, and I believe this could go a long way towards you returning as an active editor (I do hope you return and I wish you luck dude). I also strongly feel that Allstarecho should be blocked. There is just no excuse for him outing you and no excuse for him spamming you. It's discouraging to see that admins are not holding him responsible for his behavior. Where's the logic in that? Anyway, I'm sorry that all of this is happening to you and I sincerely wish that I could help you personally but I can't. Please hang in there and don't give up. And to all of you reading my post, I am not being incivil, I am not making personal attacks. So please man, do not accuse me of this. I've been through too much of that and in most cases it was unwarranted. I am expressing my honest opinion and observation of this case on Censei and therefore should not face any type of retaliation. Thank you. Caden 00:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Caden, at least one admin seems willing to give CENSEI the benefit of the doubt. CENSEI needs to take responsibility for his actions even when he is baited and other editors getting away with disruptive actions is not an argument that is going to benefit CENSEI.

I'm, frankly, disappointed that upon his post block emergence he immediately engaged in feuding after being taunted, and referred to using e-mails for the very purpose he was blocked for in the first place. Given the politics of Misplaced Pages it is not without a certain cost to stick one's neck out for editors in trouble and under fire, but I like to see editors given an opportunity and I certainly understand that there are those who work aggresively to block editors with whom they disagree. But if CENSEI has any desire to edit here and to return the good faith shown him by the editors not trying to get him banned, he would be wise to consider his actions carefully. Whatever he decides I wish him well. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

We must not forget what Allstarecho is doing. He must and should be held responisible for his behavior. The community can not allow his behavior to go unnoticed. I strongly feel he has broken policy by outing Censei far too often and for this and his spamming, he should be blocked. I'm shocked that nobody is seeing or talking about what Allstarecho has done and continues to do. It makes no sense to me. Caden 01:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

CENSEI has been nothing but disruptive, obnoxious and tendentious. His comments have been rude (and in some case, racist) and his belligerence unmatched. None of his edits have been of value. After each escalating block, he came back and made yet more mischief, including defying a topic ban. Posting his email address was definitely wrong, but nothing less than an indefinite block for the poisonous editor will suffice. It is astounding that it took this long for him to get the indef block. -- Scjessey (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

This isn't kindergarten, and even if it was, "he started it" doesn't fly. This is a mandatory groveling situation. Either CENSEI asks for a second chance, acknowledging his behavior is unacceptable (and thus must change, or he doesn't get one. Demand and posture, and feud if you like - but at the end of the day, the only thing you have control over is your own actions. Do with that power what you will.--Tznkai (talk) 04:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

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