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April 2008

Sorry about that, it was a mistake (pressed the wrong button when checking for vandalism, and realised my mistake about two seconds later, but I couldn't find the edit in my contributions.) Thanks for following this up, — Werdna talk 16:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Audi Navigation Plus

An article that you have been involved in editing, Audi Navigation Plus, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Audi Navigation Plus. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? neonwhite user page talk 00:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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MOS and numbers

Re: Audi S3. According to WP:MOSNUM:

In the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers (from zero to nine) are given as words; numbers of more than one digit are generally rendered as figures, and alternatively as words if they are expressed in one or two words (sixteen, eighty-four, two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million). … Ordinal numbers are spelled out using the same rules as for cardinal numbers. The exception is ordinals for centuries, which may be expressed in digits (the 5th century CE; 19th-century painting).

This is the usual convention in written English . Letdorf (talk) 12:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC).

AfD of Audi Navigation Plus

Hi there. I note that you removed the AfD tag from Audi Navigation Plus, citing an admin message. Can I ask which message this is (I reinstated the tag as the deletion debate appears still to be open)? Regards, Gr1st (talk) 10:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The admin message - "For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page=Audi Navigation Plus|date=25 April 2008|result=keep" - is what I referred to. It is still there! Rgds, 78.32.143.113 (talk) 10:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That is a convenience template included (but commented out) as a matter of course when any article is listed at AfD, and not any indication of whether an article should be kept or not. If the result of a debate is keep, the template is copied and pasted onto the article's talk page by the admin closing the debate. It is the second template down on this page, for example. The AfD message should remain in place until the issue is settled at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Audi Navigation Plus. Best, Gr1st (talk) 10:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"Volkswagen Group (Volkswagen AG) (VWAG)"

To me, it seems needlessly pedantic to always refer to the company that is generally well-known in English as "Volkswagen Group" by three different names. Most of these references are in lead sections of articles and WP:LEAD recommends that lead sections of WP provide a concise overview of the article - giving more than one name for a company which isn't even the main subject of the article is hardly concise! Their website seems to consistently refers to "Volkswagen Group" (for example, see here), and the acronym "VWAG" isn't a particularly common one in my experience, and isn't used much at all in material on that website. Letdorf (talk) 14:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC).

"RennSport"

"RennSport" actually translates as "Racing Sport" not "Motor Sport" - see this German-English dictionary. Letdorf (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC).

You may be pedantically correct that the exact translation of RennSport is "RacingSport" - however, in common useage of the English language (Brit and American), RennSport would actually best be translated to MotorSport in Brit English. US English would be Auto Racing, but that doesn't "ring true" with the ethos of the original German meaning of the phrase.

To use your suggestion of "Racing Sport" would be taken out of context, because "Racing Sport" is most commonly used to describe "horse racing" - and that definately isn't what the Germans meant for RennSport! Kind regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 08:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think many English-speaking Misplaced Pages users would automatically associate the word "racing" with horse racing, especially when reading an article about a high-performance car! Translating "Rennsport" as "motor sport" creates more confusion than it avoids, IMHO. Letdorf (talk) 11:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC).

Hi, a quote from the Collins English Dictionary - "racing (adj.) - 1. denoting or associated with horse races, 2. the practice of engaging horses (or sometimes greyhounds) in contests of speed." So there is NO reference to motor sport when referring to racing (and therefore racing sport)! It is common in British English that "racing" (without any prefixes, such as "motor-", "yacht-", "sand-", "air-", etc) simply refers to just horse racing. Take $ky TV as an example: the "Racing Channel" referrs only to horses, whilst motorsport is represented on say "Motors TV". I do take your point that when looking at a car article, then "horse racing" could be stretching to extremes - but I'm also cautious that "exact" translations from one language to another arn't always the best or most appropriate. :-)

So whilst you may be correct with the literal, or "word-for-word" translation of racing sport, the actual true context of RennSport really does mean motor sport. Also, if you visit either of the Audi museums in Ingolstadt or Neckarsulm, they have english language translations, and for RennSport, they always state motor sport.

Perhaps the best way to resolve this is by my latest edit in quattro GmbH or Audi S and RS models ??? What do you think? Kind regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 11:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'll settle for that. Letdorf (talk) 13:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC).

OK, cool, thanks. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 18:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Audi DTM race cars

Apparently you are unaware of how Audi homologates evolutions for racing. The A4 DTM is a homologation of the A4 chassis & production-based RS4. I understand your confusion since no base A4 has a V8 engine while the RS4 does. By your logic the Audi RS4 should be under Audi A4 since it is a trim level. Bookoflove (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Quattro GmbH

Please, stop removing the advert tag , its better to use your energy to fix the article , sentences like:"They make no compromises, particularly in terms of technology, and visual appeal, with levels of performance comparable with established high performance sports cars" is advert style --Typ932 13:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You need to learn English, because that is a QUOTE and not an advert! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

door/speed

Hi we are tryin to use standards in automobile articles --Typ932 13:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi can you read?? --Typ932 19:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Before making more changes pls discuss here Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Automobiles and see example here Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Automobiles/Layouts and check also other car articles what they use --Typ932 19:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you would like to go back to school and learn British English. First, infoboxes - ALL infoboxes in Misplaced Pages, and the 'automotive' infoboxes are NO expection - ALL use common ABBREVIATIONS. "dr" is the common, de-facto addreviation for "door", and "sp" is the common de-facto abbreviation for "speed" when referring to the number of gears in a transmission. These abbreviations are in common use - not only inside the motor industry, but are also commonly accepted abbreviations for the general motoring public. You clearly have a problem - you seem to get virtually everyones back up on the WikiProject Automobiles. Why can you not just accept that you are wrong in this instance (and the many other instances on WikiProject). And why can you not actually do some constructive editing to Misplaced Pages, rather than just nit-picking on anything you personally don't like! Finally, being as you are NOT an Administrator, you have no more right on who or what is editied on Misplaced Pages than anyone else - so if I see fit that something should be changed, and it is of encyclopaedic fact, rather than just some 'enforced committee ruling', then I shall continue. HAND. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

This is international wikipedia , not british, sp and dr arent generally known terms, and we are tryin to use same standards in every car article, so make ur suggestions to car project page if you want to change thousands of articles. --Typ932 19:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, agreed, this IS an international 'English' version of Misplaced Pages. However, in WikiProject Automobiles, there is very clear conventions regarding which 'language' to use. Cars of North American origin can use US English, and it was clearly agreed that cars of European origin will use British English. "dr" and "sp" ARE common, well known abbreviations - just like say "mm", "cc", "bhp", "4wd", "DOT", "ABS". The motor industry, just like other industries, have very common, and well used abbreviations. Infoboxes have abbreviations, the main text of the article should have the full name of the term, followed by its common abbreviation in brackets. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Even if they are commonly used, I think they might be a bit more confusing to an average reader who isn't very familiar with cars. More important, however, is consistency. We can't have some automobile articles using sp/dr while others use speed/door. Currently the majority of infoboxes use speed/door, as there haven't been any space issues and this is less ambiguous. If you think this should be changed I would recommend you start a discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Automobiles. Do not engage in a revert war or it may cause you to be blocked without further discussion. swaq 19:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

AAM differentials

UrPQ31's addition to Quattro (four wheel drive system) which you reverted is not "disputed and unproven garbage"—it is substantiated by the AAM's 2006 annual report, which UrPQ31 included as a reference. DES (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Erm, I'm sorry to advise, but it IS unsubstanciated garbage. The so-called "cited reference" originates from a 2006 Annual Report, which as far as it goes, was just a forcast - and not FACT.

This is 2009, and Audi AG, along with Volkswagen AG (Audi's parent company) categorically state that ONLY the Torsen is used as the centre differential in their longitudinal 4wd layouts. This is also supported by official parts lists from not only Volkswagen AG, but also Getrag, ZF and Borg-Warner! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Audi A4

I reverted your change back to the lower quality info box image. Automobile image conventions specify the highest quality available image, trim level and generation are not a factor (unless we are dealing with very rare or unrepresentative). The image that you replaced mine with is pretty low quality, out of focus/motion blurred and has another vehicle of the same color overlapping in the background. There is no reason to demand that a non US market vehicle be used, they are just as representative as any other market. In any case the only difference between US models and European versions appear to the amber corner lights and the license plate frames both of which are present on the image of a US market vehicle that you replaced with. If you have issues with image choice please bring it up on the talk page. --Leivick (talk) 08:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Audi_A4#images 78.32.143.113 (talk) 08:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Why did you remove the 180PS petrol? It is still being offered/sold. Please see http://www.audi.de/etc/medialib/ngw/product/pdf/price_lists.Par.0003.File.pdf/090302_preisliste.pdf Btw. the pricelist is a good reference of all the possible engine/drive/transmission combinations. Schaltgetriebe = manual transmission, multitronic = CVT, S tronic = dual clutch transmission (called DSG in VW cars), tiptronic = "traditional" automatic transmission with a torque converter The pricelist also contains the fuel consumption numbers (urban/extra urban/combined). The top speed & 0-100km/h data are here: http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a4/a4_limousine/technische_daten_und.html (section Fahrleistung)

see here Talk:Audi_A4#B8_engines for why I deleted the 180PS engine. And for the record, please take note of the reference which I am already referring to - namely the AUDI UK official sales brochure! Finally, as a motor vehicle technician specialising in VAG products, I am fully aware of all the relevent terminology! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

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Links DID comply, so bot-reverts were undone! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

SEAT Exeo

The CAR magazine article cited clearly states that the Exeo was "known internally as project Bolero". I agree it is not derived from the 1998 Bolero concept car, but it is entirely possible that the Bolero name was re-used for the new project nearly ten years after the concept car was shown and then quietly forgotten about. If you have a problem with article content that is supported by references, then it's probably best to discuss this on the talk page. Regards, Letdorf (talk) 12:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but I find absolutley NO reference to the SEAT Exeo being referred to as the Bolero in any of the official SEAT web-sites, including their press site! OK the Car Mag reference does quote the 'Bolero' name, but then Car mag is not exactly a reliable source! Or have I missed something? 78.32.143.113 (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The CAR article mentioning the Bolero codename (which is cited in the article) is here: . Autocar also mention it here: . Auto Express also mention it here . There are plenty other sources on the web, for instance here: . Letdorf (talk) 15:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC).

OK, many thanks for those links. I've reinserted the Bolero comment, though with some explanitory text to avoid confusion with their concept car. Hope this is aceptable, and sorry for any 'disagreement'. :-) 78.32.143.113 (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

D11

Sorry, I'm afraid the designation D11 is commonly used to refer to the Audi V8 platform - see here or here or even just google "audi v8 d11" (it's always worth googling something just to confirm what you think you know is actually true). Letdorf (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC).

Hi. I checked with the German language Misplaced Pages here, and that clearly states that the Audi V8 is based on the D1 plaform, and not a D11! Secondly, your two links - your first link is rather dubious, and hasn't actually been updated for years, and the link to AudiWorld is laughable - as AudiWorld have repeatedly been proven to be totally unreliable source. So where to now? I think I would rather trust the official German language Misplaced Pages, which can be peer-reviewed and corrected, rather than an out-dated site with no basic copyright info, or a notoriously unreliable internet forum (which is strongly discouraged under Wikipedias own rules)! And yes, I have seen a refernece to D11 on the AudiV8.com site too, but that is basically just another forum, and can't be reviewed and corrected like Misplaced Pages can! Do you have any specific 'trustworthy' sites you have googled? Kind regards. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 16:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at the history of the de:Audi V8 article, right up until a week ago, it gave the code as "D11"! Of course WP can be corrected, but that doesn't mean it's always going to be correct at any given point in time. There is no citation given in the German article, so I wouldn't consider it to be any more authoritative than anything else on the web. There are plenty of German website referring to the V8 as the D11: for instance this historical website, this breakers' website, this magazine website or this drivers' club website. As for AudiWorld, it is a forum and so is only as reliable as its contributors, but that list of models broadly corresponds to other sources I've seen. I'm not sure why a lack of updates to a website dealing with a historical subject affects its validity? I've also found an inconclusive discussion on the subject in this forum but that doesn't really shed much light. On a related note, your edits to Volkswagen Group D platform imply the V8 wasn't of steel construction, which is wrong (it predated the ASF concept car by five years). Letdorf (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC).

Audi V8

Hi I see that You're actively contributing to this article, I refurbished it some time ago, as it was a stub, but I haven't got much specific info, like for instance how the engine was built (thanks for correcting this info about two 1.8 golf engines).

I think the table with sales figures of Audi V8 by year would be great, do You know perhaps source of such information?

Please reply on my talk page adding there section Audi V8, it works like email and I'll see this yellow box at top of page ;-)

Cheers

Shaman (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Engine infobox

It wasn't just that, it was changing the names of some of the fields. It made all the bore and stroke information disappear.

When dealing with templates it's almost always best to bring it up on the talk page (or here if not many people see the template's talk page) just to be safe, especially with the more intricately coded ones. --Sable232 (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I did look on the talk page first, but there was a distinct lack of discussion. Anyway, I seem to have messed up something, as you rightly said, re bore and stroke. It appears correctly here: Template:Infobox Automobile engine/doc, but not here: Template:Infobox Automobile engine - can you help? 78.32.143.113 (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed it. --Sable232 (talk) 15:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Audi type codes

Hi, I think those codes are not needed in many places for example there is only one A2, check also conversation here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Aka_field_in_infobox --Typ932 07:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's go-Inline-four

Please help me get this title change done. whatever we have to doVegavairbob (talk) 13:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What more can I do? I can only vote once! <wink> Do you know how to correctly cite that book I quoted? Oh, and I agree that LPs are better than CDs!! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I need you to type Support before your comment.Typ932can help with the cite.. these new CD Beatles releases coming out in Sept. we'll see (hear)

slso know anyone? need two more Support votes. It's Oppose 6-5. please edit your comment with the vote. Thanks again.Vegavairbob (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)