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August 18

Enable mobile version

I inadvertantly hit the "permanently disable mobile version" link. How do I enable it again? I found an answer in the FAQ that directed me to the WAP site, but it is not the same as before. 68.228.91.169 (talk) 00:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I could not find a way to do it in wikipedia, but you can delete the cookies in your browser to revert to the mobile version 62.178.210.8 (talk) 11:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Merging Cells

Is it possible to merge cells B and C in Table_markup#Combined_use_of_COLSPAN_and_ROWSPAN? If so, how?174.3.103.39 (talk) 02:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this what you wanted:

The code is

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
|-
| Column 1 || Column 2 || Column 3
|-
| A
| B&C 
| D
|-
| E
| rowspan="2" colspan="2" align="center"| F
|-
| G <!-- column 2+3 occupied by cell F -->
|-
| colspan="3" align="center"| H
|}

Hope that helps. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 04:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think he was going for an L shaped region in the box, which, as far as I know, is not possible. –túrian 04:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Turian, that's what I thought the OP was after. If it is, then as far as I know, this cannot be done using HTML, or in wiki. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Help

How to insert photo gallury? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satishalekar (talk • contribs) 03:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:GALLERY for more info on using the Gallery function. --Jayron32 03:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Suppression without explanations of 8000 bytes from "Quinceañera film"

Hello, can you tell me if this massive suppression by "Shiver of recognition" (red link) is normal ? I think I know and love latino culture, and cannot be thought intolerant, since I have several gay people among my friends. I am perplexed. Thanks for your answer.Arapaima (talk) 08:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Apparently you are referring to this edit. That was not clear from your post. —teb728 t c 08:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

As a first step, may I suggest that you leave a message at Shiver of recognition's discussion page and ask them why they removed it? looking at it, it certainly looks as if they changed the previous version's text with no good reason (not helped by no edit summary), but as I know nothing of this film, I cannot say more myself. I do know that as well as having no edit summary, Shiver of recognition didn't say anything on the film's discussion page. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

That's a pretty detailed summary. I'd say a shorter version would suffice. hmwitht 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answers. After some pondering, I didn't try to write on "Shiver..."'s inexistant discussion page, but restored the erased text under a new chapter-heading : "Detailed analysis of the plot" , with a 2 lines warning that this chapter is for people who want to know more about the film. Hope it will placate the eraser. Best regards Arapaima (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Search for not so new article

Usually, when I create a new article, it shows up in the search box within a few hours. I usually create a new article in a sandbox, then after I can find it in search, I remove the redirect from my sandbox to the article. This time, I created a new article on the 15th. The article, USA Women's Pan American Team, clearly exists, and if you enter the complete name into the search box, it will inform you that such a page exists. But if you enter any part of a a reasonable search, say "USA Womens Pan" or even "USA Women's Pan American", the search feature will not find the article. Am I doing something wrong?--SPhilbrickT 11:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

My tests indicate the search index has not been updated since August 8. For example, this Sandbox search currently reports a result from this August 8 version of the Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The search index has been updated since the above. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Access a specific deleted revision given its oldid

As the subject says, is it possible to retrieve a deleted revision directly if you have the old rev_id (typically in the form of a permalink)? Thanks, decltype (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Apparently not. I just went to CAT:CSD found a blatant copyvio to delete, copied the URL to its permanent oldid, and then I deleted it. When I thereafter tried to access the permanent link I got "The requested page or revision cannot be found" ... This error is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link where the content has been removed by an administrator or another user with similar access....--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Just to clarify for others, only admins can see deleted versions and they have another url system with a timestamp instead of an id number. I don't know a direct method but I know a slow indirect method. Increase or decrease the id number by one until you find any page version which has not been deleted. Don't care about the page name (and you don't have to remove it from the url). This will give you the time of the deleted version, usually within the same minute. Then look for that time in the deleted page history. If there were multiple edits to the deleted page that minute then I'm not sure how to find the right one. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Notability of Websites

What are the guidelines regarding the noteability of a web site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vistro (talk • contribs) 13:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Notability (web). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Order of items on a disambiguation page

What is the correct order to put items on a disambiguation page?--Mikespedia (talk) 13:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think what you are looking for can be found on this page. Let me know if this is what you need. TNXMan 13:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict):The suggested order is shown at Manual of Style: Disambiguation Pages: Order of Entries. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Chimerica

Would Chimerica be a term in the Wikitionary, rather than have a seperate Misplaced Pages article? Mr.TrustWorthy----Talk to Me! 16:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd say your best bet is the discuss that at Talk:Chimerica. hmwitht 16:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Infobox or Table

How do I make an infobox or table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfranklinh (talk • contribs) 16:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Table (or there's an "insert a table" button in the editing window right above the text box.

You can add an infobox by transcluding it. You place {{infobox person}}, or whatever is the title, at the top of the page. You can see all infoboxes at Category:Infobox templates. hmwitht 16:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration policy

Good afternoon, I apologise for bad English, I used the autotranslator

You could not give the exact and detailed answer. According to the information here Arbitration policy has been the jurisdiction of Jimbo Wales and the Arbitration Committee.

• Question №1: It is actual, whether so it?
• Question №2: whether it Extends on other language sections, in particular on the Russian?
• Question №3: Russian analogue of arbitration committee is completely self-sufficient, or is obliged to take in attention principles of English-speaking arbitration committee?

Thanks. SergeyJ (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

In what place it is possible correctly and to ask these questions officially? SergeyJ (talk) 17:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I can try and give some answers (I'm one of the arbitrators on the English Misplaced Pages). Despite that, this is not an official answer, but it might be the best you get (sorry if my English is too colloquial to be easily understood). Here are my answers to your questions:

(1) I don't understand the question.

(2) The jurisdiction of the English language Misplaced Pages Arbitration Committee does not (by definition) extend to other language Wikipedias, and hence does not extend to the Russian language Misplaced Pages.

(3) Other language Misplaced Pages arbitration committees (including the Russian one, if it exists) are independent and follow their own rules and policies. They are free to follow and borrow ideas from elsewhere, but are not obliged to do so.

If anyone reading this knows more about how arbitration works on other projects, please add more to this answer. A good way to find other language Wikipedias is to look at the interwiki links at WP:ARBCOM, and also to look at the list on meta of other arbitration committees. See meta:Arbitration Committee and meta:Wikimedia Arbitration committees election processes and meta:Global arbitration committee. Those last two links aren't really needed, but I thought they looked interesting. Carcharoth (talk) 22:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The Russian language Misplaced Pages has an dispute resolution system in place, up to and including RFAR. SergeyJ is currently involved in one RFAR which has been accepted, and another which has been recently rejected. -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 23:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Searching user contributions

I've always wanted to be able to search things like the following, mainly in my own user contributions:

1. Any text added by me in any talk page that contains a certain word.
2. An edit (by me) on any project talk page that was a reply to a certain user, or at least in the vicinity of that user's signature.
3. An edit that inserted a certain template (possibly with "subst:").
4. Search a range of dates.

Until now, I just assumed that wasn't possible, but then I realized that we have Misplaced Pages:Tags, and the filters have very complex conditions. So at least we have a technical solution to do such things in bulk, and my question may boil down to whether it is possible to do the same thing (or simpler things) individually. — Sebastian 17:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

One rather brute-force way to accomplish all the searches you want would be to export all your edits to a plain text file, which you could then search with a standalone tool such as grep or with the search function of any text editor. However, I don't know offhand of a way to export all your edits to a text file. There are some desktop search programs which can search various kinds of personally relevant information such as your e-mail, chat logs, Web pages you have viewed, your local files, etc., but I have not heard of one that would be Misplaced Pages-aware. It sounds like you want something like a keylogger program which understands wikitext markup and stores a copy of everything you edit on Misplaced Pages, making it usefully searchable. In the meantime you might look at WP:EIW#Download, WP:EIW#Research, WP:EIW#Query, and WP:EIW#Search to see what other people are doing. Similar requirements for complex queries on Misplaced Pages's database come up in the domains of vandal fighting and research on Misplaced Pages. I'm sure somebody knows how to do the types of searches you want to do, but they might require something like setting up your own personal mirror of Misplaced Pages so you can run arbitrarily complex SQL queries. Unless you can find a suitable online tool somebody may have set up to allow you to run your own queries (such as maybe mw:API:Query). --Teratornis (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the links, I will have to look at those. I'm astonished that you don't see a connection between what I want and the existing filters. Even creating a new filter for each new query (there'd be about one per week) seems less work to me than mirroring all the talk pages and their history, or even all of Misplaced Pages. Am I misunderstanding how filters work? — Sebastian 19:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know anything about edit filters, certainly not enough to see how to use them to run arbitrary queries on the Misplaced Pages database. If nobody else chimes in with anything useful, you might try asking on WP:VPT or perhaps on Misplaced Pages talk:Edit filter. I'm only (somewhat) familiar with the methods other people have described to do these kinds of complex searches. That doesn't rule out the use of new tools. The Help desk gets questions about how to do complex searches from time to time, and our answers are never very good as far as I have seen, suggesting that the Help desk is not the best place to ask these kinds of questions. I am the first to agree that Misplaced Pages's immediately apparent search features are woefully inadequate for editors. They seem more aimed at people who merely read articles and want to look something up, and then from only the current revisions of articles. Histories are considerably harder to search. --Teratornis (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

In short, yes, you are. Those tags are for the edit filter, which is a way to screen specific kinds of edits, especially those likely to be vandalism, such as blanking or repeated characters. They are not for individual users' desires, which is why the edit filter permission is highly limited. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 19:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

That part I understand - they have a different purpose. My question, however, was technical: If we can use complex search for purpose A, it stands to reason that there might be a way to use it for purpose B, as well. Or can it be that the problem is not technical, but rather intentional: Are there concerns, such as privacy, if people can use complex search for their own purpose?

As Teratornis suggested, I probably should move this question to a different location; I may do so depending on what I'll find out in the links the big helpful bird provided. — Sebastian 21:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd suspect the lack of potentially useful features has more to do with the lack of sufficient developers to develop them rather than any conscious plan not to develop them. The list of requested features for Misplaced Pages is probably very long. Given that lots of people are already going complex searches on Misplaced Pages by various existing methods, it seems unlikely that developing new methods to do the same kinds of searches would be a priority. --Teratornis (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

gk

which are the two things on earth that we can see from space?????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.235.109 (talk) 19:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Do your own homework.

Welcome to the Misplaced Pages Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.

Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Misplaced Pages or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Misplaced Pages. --96.232.52.43 (talk) 19:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The question is ill-posed, since only a few people can become astronauts, given the enormous energy, pollution, and monetary costs of getting up there. The vast majority of people represented by the word "we" will never go into space and thus cannot see anything from space. As to what on the earth astronauts can see from space, that depends on many factors such as the astronaut's visual acuity, the orbital height, the clarity of the atmosphere below, whether it is day or night, the angle of the sun, etc. The phrase "the two things" makes no sense either, as if only two things are visible. See Commons:Category:Astronaut photography of Earth for images of hundreds of things astronauts have seen from space. --Teratornis (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

And not just earth. If you were in space, you could see just about everything in the universe that you could see from earth, except better.Missed the "on earth" part--SPhilbrickT 20:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

If your teacher actually posed the question that way, reply that the two most obvious things are the oceans and the continents. It's not what he/she wanted, but it shows how bad the question is. —teb728 t c 00:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Such claims are often about man-made objects. See http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/workinginspace/great_wall.html. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Moving page

Google was able to find an article before. After moving it to its correct name, it redirects correctly from its old name but Google or any search engine does not list it automatically.

Does it take time before Search engines index it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.160.210 (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Scroll up a few items to my question, and you'll see that the search engine has not been updated since 8 Aug. Not sure why, or when it will be updated.--SPhilbrickT 19:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

So does wikipedia internal indexing affects indexing for other search engines also ? If I search article name in wikipedia, it finds it but not on yahoo or google search ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.235.217 (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This depends on Google's indexing scheme, which we have no control over. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Google has a help forum you could try. --Teratornis (talk) 02:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

discrete mathematics/posets115.240.202.190 (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

if (a,)

You may want the mathematics reference desk--SPhilbrickT 19:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Map on Christianity article

Please read my post here. Someone with an image editor can handle this request. Thanks, Anupam 20:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages:Graphic Lab/Image workshop would be a better place for this request.--SPhilbrickT 20:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have posted the same query at that location. With regards, Anupam 23:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Question about " This websites has been blocked REASON: Phishing Attempt

yesterday when I try typed the websites that I supposed to get there and sign in alike AIMOO.com I confused whats going on I never seen like this before. When I typed www.AIMOO.com waiting for open on websites somehow popped up whole black screen and said This Websites has been Blocked Reason: Phishing Attempt. I keep wondering what does it mean I never seen like this before first time I ever had on here when its popped up on websites screen yesterday. I dont know what its does mean? Please let us know about this. Does that mean someone tried break in everything on my wesbites, screen anywhere??? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.51.140.50 (talk) 21:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This is not a suitable question for here, please ask on the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk.----o̴̿c̡̯̗̗̲̤͆͊̔̄c͖͇͌͂̏̍̎ọ̥͈͎̭͒n͇͈͔͚̰͈͖ͩ͌̆̆o̼͕̺̯̫̭ͣͪ̍ͬͪ̈ (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Listing order of new links, is there a protocol?

If I want to add a new link, under "external links", or "see also" internal or "notes", is there any rule about where to put it in the list? At the beginning (latest), or the end (last) or insert it somewhere else with a similar subject? JohnClarknew (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The Manual of Style doesn't offer guidance. I prefer alphabetical order (absent compelling obvious alternative). Keeps in mind that "Notes" is usually for footnotes, which is auto-generated.--SPhilbrickT 23:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Layout mentions alphabetical for See also and Further reading. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Alphabetized? Hmm. I can see users starting with A or AA or AAA just to get to the top of the list. Obviously a "common sense" decision. My common sense tells me that it should be in date of entry order, latest on top. For bios, often the latest entry is the obituary. Perhaps, the Manual of Style could be more specific about this. I note, though, that links placed within articles are favored. Thanks for the input. JohnClarknew (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

My head just exploded. We must be talking about different things. What does this mean: "I can see users starting with A or AA or AAA just to get to the top of the list."? --SPhilbrickT 00:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Since you ask, take any list of External links, write AAA in front of the link, and there you have it, first place in an alphabetical list. Check your yellow pages. So...explode awayyy... JohnClarknew (talk) 01:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If the name of the site did not start with AAA, then that would be rather disingenuous. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  01:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Us representatives of http://aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/ find Misplaced Pages a very favorable environment.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

However, it shouldn't be a huge problem. If an article has more than 3-4 external links anyways, most of them are likely in violation of WP:EL guidelines. External links sections should contain only a few links, such as official websites of the subject of the article, and little else. If there ARE lots and lots of external links, most are probably spam and not approrpriate for Misplaced Pages. --Jayron32 01:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

See also WP:SPAMHOLE. Adding external links temporarily to an article in development may be a useful step toward converting them into footnote citations, but unfortunately a common misconception among users new to Misplaced Pages is that the External links section is a great place to build a linkfarm. See WP:NOTLINKFARM. --Teratornis (talk) 03:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

August 19

external links?

When I add an external link pointing to a informational web site, it gets deleted right away. If I put your site graphic and link on my web pages would you let me add those page links to your external links section??. I'm eurotravelinfo.com and would only use revelant links, like the cities and countrys in Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.126.170 (talk) 00:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not give reciprocal links. Misplaced Pages:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest says: "you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent". You can suggest a link on the talk page of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

My Name- Info keeps getting deleted Why and by whom?

My name is shared by others on Wiki so I have to go to the "disambiguation" page where I have continuously entered my name, a one line description and a link to where I work.

Someone keeps deleting my entry within a few hours or days. What am I doing wrong or how can I stop someone from doing this?

96.242.190.19 (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If independent reliable sources outside of Misplaced Pages do not contain substantial information about your life, then you likely do not meet the inclusion criteria for an article at Misplaced Pages. Disambiguation pages should only contain links to articles at Misplaced Pages, and since there is not an article about you at Misplaced Pages, your name should not appear at a disambiguation page. Additionally, you should not be adding information about yourself to Misplaced Pages. If you are notable enough for an article, someone who doesn't know you personally will eventually add it. --Jayron32 02:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, this site is called Misplaced Pages, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them.

Ojay123 02:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Inserting a Photo

I can't figure out how to insert a photo. Instructions are impossible to follow. How can I do it as owner of the copyright? -- David —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.198.85 (talk) 02:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The instructions are hardly impossible to follow - I followed them as have thousands of other users. The instructions are merely complex and tedious to follow, because they have to deal with many different cases of media file ownership and the mind-numbing detail of international copyright laws. You haven't provided enough information to tell us what conditional branch you are on. What does your photo depict? Is anything in the photo under any sort of copyright protection? (That is, first we must determine whether you can actually assert copyright on the photo; if it only shows natural things, you're probably OK, but if you made an accurate photographic reproduction of other copyrighted work(s), you may have a problem.) Have you already published the photo anywhere else? Are you willing to license your photo as free content? That means allowing anyone to reuse your photo for any purpose, including commercial use. What instructions did you read and where did you get confused? If you want to figure it out yourself, which is a good idea actually, you can read the instructions under Commons:COM:EIC#Copyright which cover a lot of cases, but not all of them. Note that images are often a very difficult aspect of Misplaced Pages for new contributors to grasp. I did not attempt to upload any images until after I had done a lot of other editing. --Teratornis (talk) 03:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Able to contact Queen Rania of Jordan

What should I do if I want to contact Queen Rania of Jordan. The problem is wth email I have to have valid code to sent. I want to ask her some questions if she have met all African national leaders or just one from Senegal. Or even if I'm able to contact her on email she may not answer the emails. Could this be because she is busy in life? I'm asking because I don't see her with other African politicians. Could meetings ban photos and taking images?--69.229.39.33 (talk) 03:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This Help desk is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. I don't think you can contact Queen Rania by using Misplaced Pages, except in the unlikely event that she has a user account here. In general, contacting heads of state is difficult for ordinary people. If you yourself are a head of state or acting in some official capacity, you might consult your country's state department or foreign service. If you are just an ordinary individual like most of us, you have very low odds of getting an audience with anyone who is important. People who are important generally talk to other important people. --Teratornis (talk) 03:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Server load from blank transclusion

I have an almost identical question to this one languishing at WP:VPT about the be archived without answer so I thought I'd give you lot a go. Though we are generally told to not worry about server load, I nevertheless want to know if any server load is taken up by a template which is transcluded but has no text or code of its own, such as {{void}}. I was under the impression that the more code and text a template calls, the larger the load it places on the servers (this is implied at Help:Substitution#Partial substitution if I'm reading it correctly). So if the answer to the first question is yes, even a blank transcluded template takes up some server load, is it negligible in comparison to, say, a transcluded template that is constantly calling some sizable block of text and code?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The only way I can think of to answer this question would be to set up your own MediaWiki wiki (e.g. a wiki on a stick), and run it under Software performance analysis tools which can analyze the server load. MediaWiki's performance will depend on the PHP and MySQL tools on which it runs, so you might look for information about measuring their performance. Without actually looking into it, I would guess that every transclusion would have to involve at least one MySQL query, so there would be some cost for the computer to determine that the query returned no data. But MySQL queries are pretty fast. Lots of people have been optimizing database performance for a long time. Ever since the 1960s people have been asking how to retrieve data from their databases faster. Presumably Misplaced Pages benefits from some of those accumulated results. --Teratornis (talk) 00:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for answering Teratornis. I didn't realize this would be so obscure a matter when I asked it but considering that no one ventured their toes in the water at VPT where the tech gurus congregate, it must be. I appreciate the advice but I don't think I'm invested enough in finding an answer to to go through those steps (I don't even own a USB stick and wouldn't know where to begin to pick the right analysis software). By the way, the background to this question is at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Tracking substituted templates; {{z number doc}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

A USB stick is not necessary; you can also install MediaWiki on your computer's hard drive under a Web server package such as XAMPP, and run it as a personal wiki. It takes some work, but it's a good way to learn about how to administer a wiki if you are interested. It's hard to predict whether a given technical questions about MediaWiki will turn out to be obscure or laborious to answer. The mw:Project:Support desk has a disturbingly high ratio of unanswered questions. A person can get spoiled by the high quality of help generally available on the Misplaced Pages Help desk, but once you get into more technical aspects of MediaWiki things can get scary fast. Only a few people might know what you need, and good luck finding them. --Teratornis (talk) 21:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages links to official nomenclature documentation for receptor protiens?

As part of an international body of pharmacology responsible for nomenclature of receptor, how can we get permission to update and add links to the appropriate documentation relating to nomenclature of GPCR, VGIC, LGIC and Nuclear Receptors. When we try to add links to the official pages of IUPHAR we are kicked out and warned not to spam wikipedia. Help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.239.166 (talk) 09:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I looked quickly at the edit history of International Union of Basic and Clinical Pharmacology, and I don't see these warnings. If you could point to one, it would be helpful.

As a more positive suggestion, when someone removes a link because they think it is spam, the best thing to do is go to the discussion page, and explain why the link is appropriate. People more familiar with the subject matter can then discuss their concerns with you. I took a quick look at this site, assuming it is the one you are talking about, I think it belongs, but I haven't done enough homework to conclude for certain. Please try that approach, and if that fails, come back and we can suggest alternatives.--SPhilbrickT 13:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This account has spammed hundreds of their links, Under multiple IP's and Various Sockpuppet accounts. This organization is also in apparent violation of Conflict of interest and anti-spam guidelines in addition to wikipedia policies Misplaced Pages:NOT#DIRECTORY and Misplaced Pages:NOT#REPOSITORY. Here are just a few Mass Spamming examples;

• Special:Contributions/Flikr
• Special:Contributions/129.215.142.105
• Special:Contributions/129.215.239.166

More accounts can be seen @ Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#iuphar-db.org and discussion @ User_talk:Hu12#IUPHAR --Hu12 (talk) 15:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

My Account

Hi, my old username was block 'PerkinsEngines' based on the username policy. I submitted a username change request to hollingd however when I log into wikipedia the account name still displays PerkinsEngines. Can you please confirm everything has been done for this change request--PerkinsEngines (talk) 09:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you logging in with PerkinsEngines or hollingd? Log in using the account hollingd and discontinue the use of the other account. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 10:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

For this post you were logged in to PerkinsEngines; you should use hollingd. (Perhaps an admin should reblock the old account.) You may be confused by the fact that your PerkinsEngines talk page was moved to User talk:Hollingd, including the messages about username policy. If login to hollingd, you can safely ignore or delete those messages. —teb728 t c 19:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Rabies article/map

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to write to, anyhow, I was reading the article on rabies and when you scroll down the page you find a map of "rabies free countries". The list shows Finland, however it is not shown on the map. I am not skilled enough to edit the page but hopefully someone else could do this? Small thing but bothers the perfectionist! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.216.57 (talk) 09:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages:Graphic Lab/Image workshop would be a better place for this request. They specialize in making maps like this.--SPhilbrickT 11:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Float

I need an help with the float comand. In a project external to wiki but based on wiki software I need to float a table with other taables around it but it doesn't run. Is there a solution? Thank you very much. --F.noceti (talk) 11:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This desk is for help with the English Misplaced Pages. For help with the MediaWiki software, go to mw:Project:Support desk. For general CSS help, you could try WP:Reference desk/Computing. Algebraist 11:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Thank you very much --F.noceti (talk) 12:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

You can look at Help:Table#Floating table. Be aware that en.wikipedia has a lot of custom CSS and JS that many of our templates and tables depend on. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  16:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

big and small

superlative things example: which is the highest tree in the world? which is the lowest place in the earth?

i want to see this like things. which link?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.53.25 (talk) 12:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Try typing "tallest tree in the world" or "lowest place on earth" into the search box.--SPhilbrickT 12:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

3 Questions/ Website Info/ References

I am currently working on a page for a House Congressional Candidate in the 2010 General Election. How do I show that I have ownership of his personal campaign website so that I can copy/ paste his biography information onto wiki directly from the website?

Second: I am very confused on how to use the reference bar tools. I know I am supposed to click the reference key, but what next? Where do the citations go? I keep getting a red error message.

Third: Is there any way I can post a picture of the candidate without having 10 articles created?

thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgougs (talk • contribs) 15:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, it appears the article you created was advertising/campaigning for the candidate, which is not allowed. Please remember that all articles on Misplaced Pages must be written neutrally and the subject must be notable. If you are interested in releasing the copyright for the website material, please follow the instructions listed here. Finally, in order to upload images, your account must be autoconfirmed, which means that it has made ten edits (not created ten articles) and been active for four days. TNXMan 16:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Also be aware of the folowing Misplaced Pages guidelines;

• Conflict of interest
  • Editors who have a conflict of interest
  • Accounts used for promotion
  • Law Of Unintended Consequences
• What Misplaced Pages is not
  • Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising
• Misplaced Pages:BLOCK#Disruption
  • Accounts that appear, based on their edit history, to exist for the sole or primary purpose of promoting a person, company, product, service, or organization in apparent violation of Conflict of interest or anti-spam guidelines.

--Hu12 (talk) 17:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It should also be noted that Henry Meers is not sufficiently notable to have an article about him in this encyclopedia, so the latest article about him was deleted on that basis. Candidates for Congress are not deemed notable in and of themselves. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What is the policy about garbage in a talk page?

The Tiger Woods talk page includes some extreme profanity that appears to have been added after the original comments in which the profanity is included.

What is the policy about editing things like this?

In this particular case, I'm cleaning up the garbage. I hope that's within normal guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jplflyer (talk • contribs) 15:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears to be straightforward vandalism, so cleaning it up is fine (and appreciated!). TNXMan 16:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

improvement to main page

Misplaced Pages's opening page <http://en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page> can be improved for every user. Please put a starting cursor in the "search" box. See how Google does this: <http://www.google.ca/>.

This simple improvement will save one click for every Wiki user, every time they access the system. The math suggests the scale of this improvement: Wiki gets about 40,000 page requests every second.

Thanks much. Bill Johnstone Victoria, Canada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.141.164 (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a perennial suggestion. It would require the use of JavaScript, resulting in some issue. Please see Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/FAQ for details. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  16:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I clicked on the Google Canada link. I can't type in the search box without clicking in the search box, just as is the case here. I don't see a difference.--SPhilbrickT 19:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

When clicking http://www.google.ca/ my cursor is in the box ready for typing in IE8, Firefox and Google Chrome (but not in Firefox if I open a new tab with Ctrl+click and change to the tab). As Gadget850's link says, Misplaced Pages is deliberately not doing this. See more at Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Main_Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, now I understand. I virtually always open a new page with a right-click and open link in new tab. --SPhilbrickT 22:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Where do I find the key to understand pronunciation of words in Misplaced Pages?62.64.138.145 (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If you're referring to pronunciations rendered in IPA, IPA chart for English dialects may be helpful. Deor (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

walled garden of crap

I'm a bit stumped about the best way to proceed - I've come across a walled garden of crap, namely the beauty pageant area. The sources for most of the articles are awful and largely promotional - blogs, corporate puff site etc and the writing is uniformly dire, gushing and full of weasel words and phrases. The wikiproject for this area seems to have died a couple of years ago and it's too big of a job for one editor. Where the best place (if there is no wikiproject) to get some assistance? --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, you could ask for help at the Misplaced Pages:Content noticeboard. Or you could ask for help from the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors or get a Misplaced Pages:Peer review. Just some ideas. Good luck! --Jayron32 19:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Another approach is to just pick some problems you know how to fix, fix them, and leave informative edit summaries with links to the friendly manual pages you are following. Other editors may come by later, learn from your edits, and fix more things. One great thing about Misplaced Pages is that nobody has to feel personally responsible to fix everything. Trying to organize teams of editors to attack problems in a large-scale way is sometimes useful, but it is not usually necessary. In fact that may be a habit from our pre-wiki way of looking at things. Misplaced Pages can also improve in an organic self-emergent way, without always requiring explicit top-down attempts to organize people around a task. So if you can't find anyone to help solve all these problems quickly, don't worry about it. Just do what you can, and let time do the rest. --Teratornis (talk) 00:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

how do you indent certain lines on a content box?

How do i indent 3.1 and 3.2? What do i type in computer language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick M. Fisher (talk • contribs) 18:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are referring to a table of contents here on Misplaced Pages, those tables are automatically generated. Placing two equal signs on either side of the header will create a large header, three equal signs will create a smaller header, and so on. Smaller headers are indented under larger ones in the table of contents. You can read more at this page. TNXMan 18:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I put in the section heads for you at Patrick Fisher. —teb728 t c 19:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I wish I could be more positive, because I'm a big fan of punters, and you are a good one, but your article is largely plagiarized from the LSU bio (it needs to be in your own words) and you fail wp:auto. Sorry.--SPhilbrickT 22:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I have removed some of the info and re-worded the other info. Check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick M. Fisher (talk • contribs) 02:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest question

I work for a company that has commissioned me to make a web site describing there services and products during the building of this site I was required to research several topics and write articles about them (mainly products sold). Most of my research found that the online realm was greatly lacking in information regarding these items even though they are quite common in our market.

For example the wikipedia page about flanges does not contain very much information and only one external reference.

I would like to know if posting my articles or excerpts from these articles and then linking back to the site I am building would constitute a conflict of interest? The company has paid me to produce the content so I feel as if they own it now and not referencing them in my mind would be disgraceful. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.191.224.86 (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

As a start, read wp:coi. If you've become an expert on flanges, your assistance in improving the existing articles will be welcome. However, if you add information you've written for someone else's website, it may not be a reliable source. It may be a valid external link or additional reading link, but it would be best for you to contribute to the talk page, and disclose your potential conflict. If you want to add something that is noncontroversial - for example, as part of your research you've found some good reliable sources on the subject and want to link them in, go ahead and do it. If you have material about which there is a question, you can link it to the talk page, then let a neutral editor decide it is improves the article or not.--SPhilbrickT 21:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

(ec)You have become an expert, and your company's site wil be a published source. It's not what we consider a reliable source, but for something like flanges, it's a whole lot better than nothing. Go ahead and cite your web site. It would be better directly cite the material you found during your research, though, instead of citing your web site. The other major problem you have is that you must avoid infringing the copyuright of the company's web site. You are performing work for hire, so the company owns the copyright. If the company does not object, you may place a compatible license on the company site. Alternatively, they may let you write the Misplaced Pages articles first, thereby licensing the material under the CC-BY-SA and/or GFDL, and then copying it (with attribution) to the company web site. As a separate issue, please read WP:COI, but I would guess that it will not be a problem for flanges and the like. Just declare your interest on the article's talk page and ask for a review. And thanks for the help, we need it. -Arch dude (talk) 01:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Canadain Pacific Railway info

I have checked the history pages of the CPR but can't find what I am looking for. I am interested to know the year of construction for a rail branch line running from Swift Current Saskatchewan via Empress Alberta and joining the Main line again at Bassano Alberta.

Ron Eckroth Victoria BC <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.210.5 (talk) 20:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the Swift Current article (the history section), my guess would be 1881 or thereabouts. You may have better luck asking at the railroad project though. TNXMan 20:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

refs working oddly

what's going on with this? someone added a reference and that code appeared. i tried to fix it but unsuccesfully. thanks. --camr 20:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

{{Infobox Former Country}} uses the flag_type parameter as the displayed text for a piped link. But the displayed text for a piped link cannot contain a reference. It causes ugly UNIQ...QINU stuff like this: Flag of the Benin Empire . PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

can't someone fix the template then? i think the reference could be useful...--camr 18:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You can make a suggestion at Template talk:Infobox Former Country. In order to not break lots of existing uses of the template I think it would be needed to add a new parameter for the reference. But there are lots of templates with lots of parameters where no reference can be given. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Does this need to be deleted?

It's basically a spam talk page. I don't know the policy here.----occono (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh and how do I put a vandalism warning on the talk page for This user?----occono (talk) 20:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

1. That page doesn't seem to have any content at all. It's a sub-page in User:Tabercil's userspace. You may want to ask them on their talk page if you think there's a problem with it.
2. You can find a list of template warnings for user pages at WP:WARN. For example, you can add {{subst:uw-vandalism1}} --~~~~ which produces a level 1 vandalism warning. There are other template warnings for different issues. Of course, you can also compose a message in your own words and leave it on the user's talk page. See also the Gadgets section under My Preferences where you can enable some tools useful for dealing with vandalism. --☇Kateshortforbob _talk☄ 21:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Your piped link goes to User talk:Tabercil/Luke Ford permission where the only content is "Bold Comment text". I don't see spam there and don't know what you mean.

You can use one of the templates at Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#Warnings or Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace on User talk:77.102.90.113. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought the Talk page might be considered spam because it seems to be just a filler message, but I came here to check because I wasn't sure, forget about that. Thanks for the Template help.----occono (talk) 21:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay I need help again: Even though it's working in this very section, I can't get #'s to numerate properly in Tucker (TV series), it comes out all 1's.----occono (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The #'s must be on consecutive lines. See more at Help:Editing#Most frequent wiki markup explained. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!----occono (talk) 21:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

See also {{Episode list}} for more advanced formatting of an episode list. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll read that, but I'm still having problems :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Occono (talk • contribs) 22:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

A list with a paragraph of text below each numbered item may not be the best suited format for use of autonumbering but here is a way to do it: . PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I was sure those instructions you linked to said I needed to do # then ##....I realise I needed to leave out the spaces now though.----occono (talk) 22:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I am a new user and I need help!

Hi,

i'm a new user, working on the page "László Marton" for the English language Misplaced Pages. I got a notification stating that:

"This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (May 2008)"

I did cite references and sources.

Please let me know what is missing on my page.

Thank you!

User: Dvornicsek e-mail: <blanked> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvornicsek (talk • contribs) 20:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Try reading WP:CITE to see if that can help you. Thanks for contributing!----occono (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Some people assume that the template will be automatically removed when references are added, or think that if they add references, it is up to the original person to remove the template. That isn't the case. I removed it.--SPhilbrickT 21:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

First white settler, New Zealand

I have reason to believe (research done by my aunt) that my great(x5) grandfather John Adams was the first white settler in New Zealand, founding Auckland (at that time (18th century) called Adamstown) now swallowed up and renamed. Can you shed some light on this and help me find out more. If this is true, it would be quite something to have in one's family history. I can find no reference, please help find out more. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.195.131.205 (talk) 21:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Did you check the various John Adams at John_Adams_(disambiguation)?

However, I should point out that This page is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

August 20

Arabic names for foreigners?

Can somebody explain why in some arabic countries, for ex. Bahrain, the foreigners that there are living should change their names to one new in arabic language? This is the case of the world champion in 1500 m in the IAAF W. C. Berlin 2009 Yusuf Saad Kamel, born in Kenia as Gregory Konchellah. Thanks. Leonprimer (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 00:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding new name to list of Chileans of Italian descent

I have just added the name of Alfonso Calderón Squadritto to the page CHILEANS OF ITALIAN DESCENT. However, it did not turn up at the right place (under letter C). I don't know how to do this. It wouldbe necessary also to LINK the name to Calderón existing wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto Torretti (talk • contribs) 01:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I reverted your edit to Category:Chileans of Italian descent. See Help:Category. You can add the text ] to the bottom of Alfonso Calderón. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone help me give better advice?

I added a Cookies welcome template to User talk:Dvornicsek and she asked for help on my talk page, but it's about copy-paste claims on her article and I don't know if there's a policy to link to or exactly what I should recommended. I added some information to her talk page, but is it any good? I'll admit, maybe I'm not the right person to be welcoming people.----occono (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

At least you said "hi" to someone new and are attempting to be of assistance.Cptnono (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

There is COI so it would be best if she requested assistance through other editors. Does anyone know of anything similar to the rescue task force that would apply here?Cptnono (talk) 01:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I linked to WP:COI for her, it's copy-paste claims on articles I don't know how to deal with. I told her to look at the style guidelines that are linked to on the copy-paste notice on her article to improve the look of it. Is that all that's needed?----occono (talk) 01:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

There are several things I saw at a quick glance. I'm considering deleting the About him section since I don't see how that cannot be infringement. I'll mention some stuff on the talk page.Cptnono (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

She mentioned information is from her Book about him, the subject of the article is her husband.----occono (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how that is not a conflict of interest. Although there are guidelines in place that allow her to cite her own published work she is related to the subject and has proven that she cannot contribute without bias (the lead). We can report it to the COI noticeboard, ask her to stop, or turn a blind eye if the edits improve. I have made a mention on the talk page that her contributions are appreciated in the discussion so that is hopefully the first and best step.Cptnono (talk) 02:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, see I was just saying what information I had been told by her to clarify what kind of advice I should tell her, not commenting on the COI issue.----occono (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

And I just got a very polite message from the editor. I probably should have said there were bias concerns in a less inflamaory manner. Now I feel like a jerk :( ! I'm going to direct her here to see the options and hopefully stuff will get straightened out on the talk page.Cptnono (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: Is this the appropriate time to use either a Misplaced Pages:Workpages or Misplaced Pages:Subpages? I would hate to see this article not progress and would like to give the editor the chance to improve the article and have someone review it before moving into the main spaceCptnono (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Let me interject a bit on conflict of interest. Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest does not state that you cannot edit articles of organizations that you have a vested interest in. What it does state is "Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Misplaced Pages, that editor stands in a conflict of interest."

In my opinion, an editor with close ties to an article should disclose those ties, acknowledge that they have read and understand the guidelines and pledge to act in the interests of Misplaced Pages. Such an editor can use their user page or an about page and can add userboxes or free text to describe their interests. The template {{user disclosure}} can be used for disclosure. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  14:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

the poem shakespeare by john donn

Please supply me the summary or explanations of the poem by john donn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.249.104 (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the Misplaced Pages Help Desk, where we answer questions about using Misplaced Pages. You may wish to try the Humanities section of the Reference desk, which is more suited to your question. --☇Kateshortforbob _talk☄ 08:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You may also find the article on John Donne useful. TNXMan 13:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please do your own homework.
Welcome to the Misplaced Pages Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do others' homework, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.
Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Misplaced Pages or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Misplaced Pages. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of my contribution

Hi, I am very new here and I find very difficult to create an entry. I did it eventually about an Graphic Author who is working for DC comics and who has already a solid career in the Graphic Design. However Misplaced Pages don't find him relevant and I have some links I can add about him to show he is known in Spain. But I don't know how to stop the deletion. If its enough adding those links? Why you see names of people who are less relevant than him and they are already published? Please help. Emurri (talk) 13:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, the article you mean is Fernando dagnino guerra, correct? The article was tagged with a prod because you haven't provided any proof that Mr. Guerra is notable enough for inclusion. If you are able to provide references meeting the reliable sources guidelines, the article will probably be kept. Please read over that page for examples of what resources you could use. Also try looking through google. ceranthor 13:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You can also create your article in a user subpage - that way, no one will be nominating it for deletion, and you can work on it and get it ready in peace. The downside is that people won't find it in a search, but if it isn't quite ready, that shouldn't be a problem. If you want to do this, but don;t know how, just ask.--SPhilbrickT 13:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The notability criteria applying for this particular article is WP:ARTIST. Please make sure that the subject qualifies them, and add the relevant information (with sources) to the article. You can object to the deletion by simply removing the prod tag with your reason given in the edit summary or article talk page. However, if you haven't addressed the issues about the article, it will probably be taken to WP:AFD to decide whether it should be deleted or not. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 13:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright company logo

Hello,

I added to a page for the company I work for, and the logo is saying it will be deleted unless I can prove copyright. It's our logo, we have a copyright, how do I confirm that with wikipedia?

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfarrow1982 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC) — Kfarrow1982 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

You should read this as it is probably a non-free logo.

Cheers!

Λuα 14:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

In fact, this addresses your question better.

Cheers!

Λuα 14:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Add {{logo fur}} and fill in the fields. Since you are editing an article you are associated with, you need to read Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Organizations. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  14:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Kohl Automobile

I am Misplaced Pages Stupid :-) I posted the article on Kohl Automobile with information from my Grandfathers files. I have more to add, but seem to be caught in the middle of "Stupid". I need help making the corrections and just can't get it done right. Please help me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver22553 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I made a few improvements for you, I categorized the article and other minor fixes. I'm not good with reference tags though, unfortunately. :(----occono (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please consider moving the material to a user subpage, where you can work on it without fear of it being deleted. That said, you have a very tough challenge. I didn't find a single mention in a Google search or in Google books, so establishing notability, even with a single mention in a newspaper article, is going to be a challenge. Your grandfathers files, if personal, may be historically interesting, but don't help support the article, until they are published elsewhere.--SPhilbrickT 17:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

As Sphilbrick mentions, it might be an idea to move this to your user space (just let us know if you want this to happen). I have used the cite news reference format with the information provide (but if you happen to have the paper story useful, let me know if you have the details of the writer, the page, etc - as well as the actual date of the fire). As Sphilbrick also says, you really have a hard task ahead of you. I could find no references to Kohl automobile, Kohl's plumbing - and the Wilkes-Barre Record Almanacs located at Ancestry.com didn't have any relevant entries (I checked from 1898-1903) for either "runabout", "kohl plumbing" or "kohl automobile". Google searches revealed nothing, unfortunately... if you have access to a library in Wilkes-Barre, they might have either books or newspapers that reference the car and/or the companies - but I think a local search will be needed, as sources online are probably not available. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

postscript I have added the article to WikiProject Automobiles and have left a message on their Project Talk Page, asking if someone more knowledgeable could have a look, and perhaps locate further sources of information. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Navbox with collapsible groups, collapsing logic

I want to modify the template {{Orienteering concepts}} to be able handle parameters so I'm able to collapse 'group1'. I had try to put in some if logic but still it won't behave as I like. The parameters I want to use are {{Orienteering concepts|state1=collapsed|state2=uncollapsed}}. How can this be accomplished? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kslotte (talk • contribs) 17:46, 20 August 2009

Is there some expert group that can give help with more advanced templates? --Kslotte (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Question re: FA review

I recently came across a featured article, List of Brisbane Roar FC players, which has had a maintenance tag on it since November 2008, does this alone qualify it for a review and possible delisting? -- œ 19:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_Queensland_Roar_FC_players

This is a decision for the group that does the reviews. They know the guidelines and requirements. But I doubt they want the list to be complete before a FA status. But if the missing information is accurate and verified, then the tag can be removed. You can put a message on the talk page about your concern. --Kslotte (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, that is a featured list, not a featured article. If you think that it does not meet the criteria, you can submit it to WP:FLRC. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

wikihow

Why wikihow isn't part of Misplaced Pages's progects? --Brodsky.ilya (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Because it's not under the purview of the Wikimedia Foundation. --Smashville 19:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Read the wikiHow article. See WikiIndex for thousands of other wikis. The Wikimedia Foundation operates several hundred wikis; they took the idea from earlier wikis such as WikiWikiWeb. Your question is similar to asking why Google isn't part of Microsoft - because they are different companies. --Teratornis (talk) 21:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Signing

It says sign your post with for tildes. Rukovich71 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Now what? Don't I sign with my user name? I don't know what it means to sign with a tilde. What does it mean? Rukovich71 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It means --~~~~ will be automatically filled with your username and date. You can use the button 'Your signature with timestamp' for this. --Kslotte (talk) 20:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Read Help:Talk page, Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines, and WP:SIG (in particular WP:SIG#Using four tildes). --Teratornis (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Something has gone wonky for me in Google Chrome.

I don't know what I could have done to cause this, but a a little while earlier I stopped being able to save my edits, when I click Save Edit it goes to the preview edit screen. I'm using Opera to enter this. Help?----occono (talk) 22:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the problem was, it appears to have fixed itself.----occono (talk) 23:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

August 21

AfD Question

Is it an appropriate step to be WP:BOLD and add a redirect to an article currently up for deletion? Or should I hold off on that step until the AfD has had more time to come to consensus? Lithorien (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles at AfD should not be redirected before the discussion closes and that usually takes around 7 days. The AfD started today and you made the only comment so far. You definitely shouldn't redirect the article but you can make a post saying "Redirect to Danny Wallace (humourist)" (or to the section Danny Wallace (humourist)#Danny Wallace and the Centre of the Universe) in the discussion. Keep and delete are not the only options. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thank you. :) Lithorien (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

manga

Head scratcher ...

There is vandalism on the page. The history shows it was immediately reverted (11:07 today). The edit tab doesn't show it. But it's still there in the article. --99.245.206.188 (talk) 00:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a caching problem I guess, sounds like something I experienced once. You need to purge your browser's cache. Someone else should help you with that.----occono (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You know I thought I did. But maybe I was on drugs. It's gone anyway. --99.245.206.188 (talk) 01:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

August 20th 2009 - Events

Hi, I am currently aware of a recent event in Toronto but do not know if it would qualify to make the page under "events" in August 20th AddZack (talk) 00:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The Event is a tornado touched down with 1 dead in Durham Ontario . Plus there were several sitings of Tornados in the Woodbine and Vaughan regions which caused extensive damage to Vaughan Mills and to homes in the Martin Grove - Highway 7 area .. Houses had roofs torn off and at Rutherford and Highway 7 houses were destroyed or severly structurally damaged

Source : http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/08/20/tornado-durham.html?ref=rss http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090820/wx_watch_090820/20090820/?hub=TorontoNewHome

You could write about this on Wikinews. Also we have a Durham, Ontario article which already mentions a tornado. --Teratornis (talk) 04:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages citation bot

Hi. I noticed that there is a bot that anyone can use to clean up citations of wiki pages. I was wondering what other kind of bots are available to use. Anything would be helpful. Cheers P.o.o.r.P.h.o.t.o.r.e.m.o.v.i.l.s.t. (talk) 02:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#Bot. --Teratornis (talk) 04:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Is it also possible to create and have your own P.o.o.r.P.h.o.t.o.r.e.m.o.v.i.l.s.t. (talk) 05:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes you can create your own bot, but you need to have a pretty much advanced knowledge of a programming language. And then you have to get it approved so that it can run here. See WP:BOT, WP:MAKEBOT & WP:BOTPOL if you are interested. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 05:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will look into it and maybe get ideas from other bot scripts. Cheers P.o.o.r.P.h.o.t.o.r.e.m.o.v.i.l.s.t. (talk) 06:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

pop

what is SPAM? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.183.239.194 (talk) 03:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

See the Misplaced Pages article on Spam. If you are looking for Misplaced Pages's guidelines on spam, see here. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 03:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I create an Infobox?

I type in a template for an infobox while editing my page, but it just posts what I typed. It doesn't create an infobox. Can I just have steps to easily creating an infobox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreggyBear (talk • contribs) 03:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You mean at Greg M Baratta? That's gonna get deleted, I think; you should keep that on your userpage, at User:GreggyBear. --AndrewHowse (talk) 03:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Maps

You guys need to add maps...I'm looking at Wales..and there are no maps...Geeze...put in some GD maps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.128.54 (talk) 05:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? There are maps in the Wales article. If you want more, you can find them at commons:Category:Maps of Wales. ≈ Chamal  ¤ 05:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Please remember that everyone works here for free and on their free time. Warrior4321 14:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Free time? er... heheh looks around guiltily ≈ Chamal  ¤ 14:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange display of Misplaced Pages pages

Please help! Just now when I opened Misplaced Pages the main page comes up without the navigation and search column on the left side of the page - the rest taking up the whole width of the page. Also, the link to my own page, tec., is no longer at the top right of the page, but listed in a group below all the news, etc.

This is when I use (as I usually do) the latest version of Firefox browser (I run Windows Vista SP 2). However, when I open Misplaced Pages in Windows Explorer it looks normal.

Have you any suggestions as to how I can get it to display properly in Firefox (Version 3.5.2)?

Many thanks,

John Hill John Hill (talk) 08:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Please ignore the above comment - I restarted my computer and the problems seem to have fixed themselves - I don't know what happened. Thanks, John Hill (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Not receiving verification email

There is a problem somewhere with verifying my email address: I am not getting the email that Wp is supposed to be sending. As a newbie sysop on another MW-powered wiki, I am particularly interested in finding out what's going on, since I might have to answer such questions myself.

I hope I have rounded up all the usual suspects:

• Typed the address in, twice. Pasted it in, once. (Same nothing.)
• Checked local client (Tb 2.0.0.22 (20090605)) for filters (off) and junk caught (none).
• Checked ISP (RoadRunner) web-based mail, which I normally don't use, for filters (none found) and junk caught (none).

For the obvious reason, I am not posting my email address here; I get almost zero spam, and would like to keep it that way. Somebody with root access can probably dig it out of my account in the database, or I could email somebody directly, with reasonable privacy.

Suggestions welcome. --LCE(LCE talk contribs) 08:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The mail may be blocked before it reaches a point you can access. Help:Email confirmation#Known issues says: "If you are unable to receive the mail with your normal mail service then you can try another, for example one of the free webmails in comparison of webmail providers." In my tests of two mail services the mail from Misplaced Pages has always reached me within seconds. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea, but I haven't got another service. And a lot of mail from the other wiki gets through just fine. Is it possible to check the bounce messages, from undeliverable email? I can go hassle my ISP, but I need to know what to hassle them about: bouncing your emails, or not making them visible to me. "@cfl.rr.com" should be a good search string.

BTW, that help page wasn't linked from anywhere useful that I could find, so I added a link in Help:Contents/Account settings.--LCE(LCE talk contribs) 12:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The mail is from wiki@wikimedia.org which must be sending a lot of similar emails and risk being suspected of spam. If your other wiki is not from Wikimedia then it probably has less risk of that. The English Misplaced Pages alone has 48,514,758 user accounts. I guess only paid and busy developers would have access to sent and bounced mails if they are stored at all. I don't know whether they will investigate individual cases and answer questions. Setting up a free webmail account is fast and easy for many services but checking it regularly for new mails may be annoying. Help:Email confirmation is linked from MediaWiki:Prefs-help-email which is displayed under E-mail options in preferences. Help:Contents/Account settings and maintenance is also a good idea. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

online payment

Is their anyway to make my payments online rather than using the mail service —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timberwolf757 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Changing unfactual information

http://en.wikipedia.org/Test_Dept Dear Help desk the following page refers to a band of which I was a founding member, there are some really big inaccuracies in the peice ( that we are from Glasgow Scotland for example when the band was from London) it would be good to update the correct info, what it the most reliable way to do this and with who in the wikipedia editorial community? All the best Angus

85.158.69.246 (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You could document your concerns on Talk:Test Dept, providing reliable published sources to support your claims if possible. See Help:Talk page and Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. --Teratornis (talk) 17:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Please help me

Excuse me, can someone help me? I want to unite 2 username: User: Adryano and User: Adyadryano into user: Adyadriano. all are mine. but now I have a global cont on the last, User: Adyadriano Please help me. --Adyadriano (talk) 15:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very experienced with global usernames, but can I redirect you to the place where username changes are requested? I believe they have to be changed on all the projects you belong to. ceranthor 17:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

google images?

If an image is on google images, does that mean it's free-use and possible to upload it directly to the wiki:commons? Laughingtam (talk) 16:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Most images that you will find on Google images are copyrighted and should not be uploaded to commons. Some places to look for free images on the internet are listed here. Flickr's free image search is also useful. —SpaceFlight89 16:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Google Image's advanced search feature provides an option to search for freely licensed images. For more information about licenses suitable for Commons, see Commons:COM:L and the links under Commons:COM:EIC#Copyright. --Teratornis (talk) 17:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating a list in a table.

How do you properly put a list in a table?

I'm trying to put this into two columns on a local wiki site:

http://shetlopedia.com/Bressay_%28Constituency%29

I'd rather have it as a list without any breaks, if possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAStewart (talk • contribs) 17:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Any help would be appreciated, thanks. JAStewart (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You could port {{Column}}, {{Col-begin}}, and {{Col-end}} to Shetlopedia. If you don't understand what that means, try asking on the Shetlopedia Forums for someone with more knowledge of MediaWiki template porting to help you. Note that the Misplaced Pages Help desk is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. The Help desk gets questions like this from time to time, and it would be nice if someone (for example, you, after you figure this out) could write a page of instructions: "How to port templates from Misplaced Pages to your local wiki project". --Teratornis (talk) 17:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Or you can try:

{|
 |valign="top"|
 *Item A
 *Item B
 |width="50"| 
 |valign="top"|
 *Item C
 *Item D
 |}

Cheers, hmwitht 18:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot

I used this bot a few days ago, but today when I tried to use it, it states :

Page Title : 403 Forbidden Page header: Forbidden Page content(text): You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/wp/wp10/run_wp10.html on this server.

What happened? Warrior4321 17:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this a legitimate reference?

In the article List of diplomatic missions of Palestine reference 2 is just "UNESCO. May 12, 1989". Is this a legitimate reference? It doesn't identify a specific document.

1. Reconstruction of a flag of the Kingdom of Benin based on a flag captured by British forces during the Benin campaign 1897; today seen in the British National Maritime Museum http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.15024/viewPage/3

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