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Revision as of 09:12, 12 December 2005

Comment

Perhaps we should forget this ever happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.135.59 (talk • contribs) 08:19, December 11, 2005 (UTC)

This was the straw that broke the camel's back - or in Misplaced Pages's case, the straw that made anonymous creation of articles no longer possible. I think it is interesting historically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjaminhill (talk • contribs) 09:49, December 11, 2005 (UTC)

I thought he had resigned his job?

Birthday

this page is weakly written, it could stay as trivia but structure should be improved

... age 38 as of 2005 ... why not type born in 1967 instead it's not like he's going to be 12 or 81 next year ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.99.10 (talk • contribs) 09:21, December 11, 2005 (UTC)

If his birthday is after today but before New Year's, he would have been born in 1966. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.247.59.209 (talk • contribs) 10:04, December 11, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion

Why is this page scheduled for deletion? This is a small piece of Misplaced Pages history and outlines real consequences of the user-edit system and has resulted in tweaks to the editing rules. This page whould stand.

--Thomasdelbert 16:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

You can vote to keep it here --RayaruB 16:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Keep --L1nX 17:20 11 December 2005 (UTC)

This is a keeper. Baltakatei 22:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

No, not here. Here. --Mr. Billion 23:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Categorization of this article

This article was previously listed under Category:Wikipedians. That category is a self-referential category; it is meant to help us organize our user pages, and does not contain encyclopedic content. I have moved it to Category:Misplaced Pages, which is a category for Misplaced Pages articles about Misplaced Pages in the main namespace. Thanks. -- Creidieki 16:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages history

People who've said this wikipedia history are right when they say this is a historical event in the life of this website and of this siegenthaler incident, As such this needs to be a part of the "Siegenthaler wikipedia controversy" article. Briaboru 20:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

You can add your opinion to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brian Chase (Misplaced Pages hoaxer). Canderson7 20:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Soviet Union?

Was the claim that Seigenthaler had lived in the Soviet Union posted from the same IP? In the same edit? AxelBoldt 20:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes. Canderson7 20:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Wrong IP listed?

It seems to me like the IP listed is incorrect, because when I go to user contribs on Misplaced Pages for that IP I see nothing. --Cyde Weys _talk 21:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• The edits were deleted. Deleted contributions aren't listed on contribs pages. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-11 21:53

Why Delete

Isn't it a bit hypocritical and revisionist to remove this? The fact that it is even a question supports much of the Misplaced Pages criticisms. In any case, it's part of important Wiki History. Do not delete.

Misplaced Pages doesn't exist to record its own history, so the question is whether Brian Chase matters to enough people that an encyclopedia should have an article about him. You can have your say here. Canderson7 22:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it should. Misplaced Pages is too big and important now for it to be able to not consider itself part of the informational milieu in 2005. Many sites mirror it or link to it, and when there's a problem with it, it ends up in (U.S.) national newspapers. Nothing Misplaced Pages now says can be considered distinct or separate from the things it proposes to document.4.239.99.164 23:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

True, but we have to make sure that articles relating to Misplaced Pages meet the same notability standards as our other articles. Canderson7 00:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

And making national and local news doesn't fall under that category? --198.110.83.85 01:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

For the same reason that newscasters at sporting events do not show footage of fans that disrupt the games. By calling attention to this hoaxer (even though he may not have entirely realised what he was doing.) it gives others incentive to do the same. APL 03:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

The article currently claims that "The source of the hoax was uncovered by Daniel Brandt, who used an IP Locator to track down Mr. Chase". However, the article on Brandt suggests that he found Chase due to his company's website being at the IP address he edited Misplaced Pages from.

I don't know the details of the case so I'm not going to edit anything, but one of the articles is wrong, and I think it's more likely to be this one.

166.111.43.152 03:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

That sentence was removed from the article over six hours ago. Are you sure you are looking at the most recent version? Canderson7 03:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

This person has been the center of attention of several articles from major newspaper publishers such as USA Today and New York Times. Chase also qualifies for inclusion under WP:BIO, "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events". There is no doubt that this person is now notorious for what has become a widely reported hoax. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC) Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

My response to the issues raised above

Primarily my listing this article as an article for deletion was because this page specifically falls under What Misplaced Pages is not#Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information

7. News reports. Misplaced Pages should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories (however, our sister project 
Wikinews does exactly that). Misplaced Pages does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that 
are currently in the news, and can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate 
new developments and facts as they are made known. See current events for examples. 

News articles should posted on Wikinews not on the Misplaced Pages. Current events qualify as news even if they involve the Misplaced Pages. This controversy was majorly overblown as the publisher in question could have simply edited the article removing the vandalism and the matter would have been instantly resolved. Instead he used it as a tool to generate publicity for himself and to attempt to discredit the Misplaced Pages..

Then you have the following from the Deletion policy:

• Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article
• Is not suitable for Misplaced Pages (see WP:NOT)

While this achived a minor notority the discovery of this person is best included as a section on the overall controversy page. Not as it's own page.

So it is a valid listing on AfD and I hope this may change a few people's opinions on the subject. Thank you -- SusanLarson 09:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)