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Re: Loci of the disputes

Is it possible that Fischer himself faked his death and is now editing Misplaced Pages? Shii (tock) 23:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Like Elvis lives? and Frodo Lives!? Sadly not, I think. Carcharoth (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Fischer, Elvis, Frodo and Tupac are all sitting in orbit on an intergalactic cruiser, enjoying cognac and cigars and laughing at all of us chumpy toads down here. You know it's true. -GTBacchus 00:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I missed this. I noticed your comment on the original request, GTBacchus. The evidence appears one-sided at the moment. You implied in the original request that the behaviour of all parties should be examined here. Are you intending to present evidence? I'll drop a note at your talk page in case you are not following this page any more. Carcharoth (talk) 21:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh. I don't know a whole lot about the case; my involvement has been minimal, as I stated in the original request. Nevertheless, I'll have a look at it later today, and see what I can offer by way of evidence. -GTBacchus 11:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for posting that. It has addressed my concern somewhat about the one-sidedness of the evidence. More than that, I will need to look into the context myself, since as you say you don't know a whole lot about the case. But thanks again for posting what you have. Carcharoth (talk) 23:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Excessive

This is all a bit excessive a ban for a year for arguing with Scjessey the vandal?

Anyone interested in knowing anything about the matter will see that I am contributing civilly to the Bobby Fischer article and that civil contributions are the bulk of my editing. I did have that one dispute regarding the article in which I went way overboard at the cost of both my own participation as well as the article and its something which I do regret, that is however long past and not the current situation.

As for my participation in the European union article it is trivial and not something which can be covered in a request for arbitration I am not an active participant in that article and I did not cross over any lines in my editing of that article.

As for the dreamhost article well it's most unfortunate that nobody else has dealt with the attempts to introduce advertising material into the article and in case anyone is wondering if I am willing to work colaberatively with Scjessey and Sarekofvulcan the answer is no, I don't see it as justifiable to use[REDACTED] as a form of advertisement and to write articles in a POV fashion and I have no intention to help those users make an advertisement for dreamhost.

Take a look at the articles current talkpage, that user is calling me a "Problem-editor" a blatant personal attack right there but no sanctions. Then he comes here to this cases evidence page and calls the retired user Judas a known sock puppeteer. Judas was never convicted of no sockpuppettry and it is highly inappropriate to attack that user in this manner now that he is retired.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 12:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I object to being referred to as "Scjessey the vandal". I would like to see that comment withdrawn, please. Furthermore, editors who continuously disrupt, rather than improve articles are indeed "problem editors". And the retired user 194x is referring to was found by an administrator to be related to Guantanamo247 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - an account created solely to harass and wikihound me. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

That is not true.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 16:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not true that he objects to being referred to as a vandal? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

What sort of a question is that? Answer: An escalating question one very appropriate for a[REDACTED] administrator to ask.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 18:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Assuming you are referring to the allegation about Guantanamo247, it most certainly is true. This information was reported by administrator Jehochman to the Arbitration Committee on an earlier occasion. Having been found out, Judas elected to "retire" rather than be blocked. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Judas was never blocked for harrassing anyone or wikihounding. Judas interest was in the dreamhost article not in you.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 10:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Judas wasn't blocked because he "retired" before that could happen - that is fairly obvious because of his exchange with Jehochman. But this case is about your disruption, not Judas or his motivations. Perhaps you should focus on defending your own poor behavior and let Judas defend himself, since he evidently left you holding the bag. -- Scjessey (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

You are the one that should be blocked for your tactics. You can't "outrun" a block by retiring. Had the committee intended to block Judas for being a Wikistalker, a Sockpuppett or for harrasing Scjessey the vandal then it would have done just that regardless of any retirement. You're the one that causes the disruption and your blatant pov pushing at the dreamhost article is extremely shamefull.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Again, I ask you to please withdraw your comments describing me as "a vandal". -- Scjessey (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Blocking is preventative, not punitive. Hence, there's no reason to block a retired editor, and your argument that the committee would have done so, against policy, is incorrect. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

So what? Describing Judas as a stalker and a harraser is incorrect. Judas interest was in the dreamhost article, not in scjessey they vandal.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 17:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman, an uninvolved admin, made the determination that it was not incorrect. Take it up with him. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. I don't care what determination Jehocman made, any reasonable person can see where Judas interests layed and you guys do not have the right to be smearing Judases good name in this manner based on some ill advised words of Jehocman. Describing Judas as a sockpuppeteer, a wikistalker and a harraser is in no way appropriate and says more about the people making those remarks than about the former user.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Those remarks of Scjesseys were personal attacks that you never acted upon but simply ignored and you call yourself an administrator.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 18:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Claiming that SarekOfVulcan has ignored my behavior is ludicrous, quite frankly, since he has twice blocked me in the past. And to be brutally honest, Judas didn't have a "good name" - he was a disruptive SPA who stalked me both on and off Misplaced Pages. Repeatedly misrepresenting reality will not miraculously change it, 194. Now please withdraw your "vandal" comments as requested. -- Scjessey (talk) 21:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sarek ignored the bulk of your behavior. Judas was never blocked for being a SPA, for being disruptive, for wikistalking or anything of the sort and you have NO proof that he stalked you off wikipedia.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 22:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

If I may... I too have been blocked by Sarek. I found his judgment swift, excessive and entirely wrong in my case. I don't think he sat down for a moment and looked at the facts of the case; he just acted like a parent who was putting two kids in separate corners. That said, i was put in the corner a lot longer and I was the one trying to keep harmful and unnecessary edits out of an article. A year? That's a f'n long time. Lighten up.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 20:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

(OD) If I may step in, this is not a page for comment on Sarek. Nothing will be gained from complaining about his actions (or those of any editor other than 194x) here. If any of you have a problem with his edits or administrative action, open an RfC or a ANI thread. Johnny Spasm, if you have constructive comments, please take them to the 194x evidence page where they can be read and taken into consideration. Dayewalker (talk) 21:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

This is the discussion page for the case and it is intended to discuss matters related to the case. Sarekofvulcans behavior has often been inapropriate and obviously not only in my case. I should mention the Ireland naming dispute and the admins behavior towards a certain Domer428. You Daywalker have stalked me excessivly since I came to Misplaced Pages chasing me all over the site reverting me and butting into my affairs just because you did not like me participating in your precious dreamhost article. You behavior towards me has not been 100% appropriate and you are not holier than me.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 22:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)