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| If I can't control my own Misplaced Pages addiction, then I'm going to have to get Misplaced Pages to control it for me. I'm going to get myself a permanent ban. I'll keep reverting that one article, ], till the admins have no option but to kick me out. Please pray for my eternal soul. ] (]) 09:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | If I can't control my own Misplaced Pages addiction, then I'm going to have to get Misplaced Pages to control it for me. I'm going to get myself a permanent ban. I'll keep reverting that one article, ], till the admins have no option but to kick me out. Please pray for my eternal soul. ] (]) 09:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
| :Sorry, but that's stupid and I don't pray. What's the point? Lisa managed to get through a year at 1RR (more or less), you mean you can't stop at 3 (or preferably 2)? Don't do this. You're not always right but you are still a net benefit to Misplaced Pages and some articles will suffer if you aren't around. ] (]) 11:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
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User:Tyciol
Yep, I asked him to run this all past me, so last chance saloon time. Looks like you were right, oh well. Black Kite 17:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wasn't the block about redirects, rather than refactoring? Ryu's dispute regarding redirects was serious (now I will use search instead of assuming a name is only notable for the place I find it in) as it affected articlespace and navigation. I have learned from criticism about refactoring (no longer adding years, making separate edits when doing things like moving posts into proper chronological order, not changing indentation so freely without checking context). Farix's complaint ("refactoring as you did...") is vague, I think it's better to point out specifically which refactorings are bad. I've made some replies here, but the consensus was misinterpreted: I was part of the majority consensus which agreed that some of my refactorings are bad, such as the one Jack-a-Roe pointed out. Since I agree with (and thus am part of) the consensus that an edit like that's disruptive, I wouldn't edit like that anymore. It's an example of disruptive reformatting, but it does not make the other kinds of reformatting disruptive. Tyciol (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- If you are getting complaints from editors plural, you are probably being disruptive. Dougweller (talk) 18:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Though you should know about this, even though it is a relativity minor case compared to the past. Tyciol is still trying to defend his refactoring of talk pages. It's not that he doesn't get that these edits are inappropriate and he shouldn't be doing them in the first place. It's that he doesn't care. —Farix (t | c) 01:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Define "Attack"?
You know, I'm personally starting to get a little sick and tired of you being on my case 24 hours a day. Get a life brother. I'm only reverting edits which were disruptive in the first place. Second, what do you define as an attack? When people call us "Pakis" then that's not considered an attack on us? But when I bring up a good point of Indians speaking so highly on India and not even bothering on residing in it, then where is the disruption in that? Learn to moderate on Misplaced Pages, because your seriously being a hypocrite. And I'm personally going to make sure that your reported as well for your patethic excuse of what you call "moderation". Learn not to abuse your powers. Thank you.
--MirNaveed (talk) 10:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- You haven't reported me yet, let me know when you do. I'd treat anyone calling you a Paki the same way if I saw them. " Indians should go away" is clearly an attack. Dougweller (talk) 15:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Mad Science
Good morning Doug,
I have no intention of using this article as an ad. I simply would like to give a detailed description of what the company does, and the different division it has. I will do my best to maintain a neutral point of view, and I would appreciate any feedback you might have along the way. I will be working on this article over the next few days.
Thanks for your help.
Tim --Timthom2 (talk) 12:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
When you say I should declare my relationship, how do I go about doing this? Within the article itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timthom2 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- On your talk page and possibly the article's talk page. Dougweller (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I have done so. I would like to add that the previous article on Mad Science that I have since updates was much more of an advertisement for the company. I only wish to give a detailed description of its history and operations. Many other company articles appear to have an advertising elemenet to them and their is no conflict of interest disclamer above. If no one wishes to lend their "objectionable" view to the article, what steps can I take to have the disclamer removed from the Mad Science article. --Timthom2 (talk) 17:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)--Timthom2 (talk) 17:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- There are a lot of company articles that read like ads (and university ones, etc) - we have a page on that -- WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. It's not a matter of an 'objectionable view' at all, there may be no criticism of the company for all I know. You could ask at WP:COIN as to be frank I'm not sure. The COI disclaimer is factual, but maybe someone at COIN can advise. Dougweller (talk) 18:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Your AfD nomination of Darwin Forest
Because what you say is true, I will not object to the nomination of the article and I am happy to let the article go.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 20:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I did post to your talk page after I visited the place but you didn't reply. Dougweller (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Music of Kashmir
Hi Doug, I am concerned about the recent vandalism about this topic. I will try to talk to this guy else you will have to block him. and semi protect that page to sometime. Oniongas (talk)
- This user User_talk:MirNaveed seems vandal, it would be better u block him for personal attack and vandalism.Oniongas (talk)
- Please temp protect the page as IP Vandal is back.. Oniongas (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Beirut Nights and Eurodance
well you deleted my Beirut Nights and Byblos edit. It is funny that you did. First off, beirutnights.com that I own since 1999 for 10 years in addition to the copyright of the name since 2009, was created by myself. Eventhough Beirut Nights is a generic name like New York Nights or Paris Nights, the "series of events or activities" called Beirut Nights emanes from the fact that I as a faithful lover and self appointed ambassador to the city of my love and birth Beirut, decided in the mid 90s to start the awareness of people of this city. In 1999, I bought the official domain beirutnights.com after a friend recommended to me the need to legitimize my action. THe site since its birth have streamed live dance music that is international in addition to the largest slideshow (10,000 pics) of Beirut (and surrounding areas in Lebanon). As a result of that if you do a google search you would see that beirutnights.com's slideshow is mentioned in more than 5000 links. Many sites listed as links on your article including downtownbeirut.com (created by a friend of mine), have been listed as external links eventhough they offer less updates on beirut nights scene (that the forum) and less pictures (than the 10,000 photo slideshow). Not only that, but you actually deleted it from the article "Eurodance" under radios playing eurodance, and is is known by real guide, windows media guide since 1999, beirut nights was the first radio site to stream eurodance and has more than 90% eurodance content while the other radios listed have non updated material and the land radios listed DON't even play 10% eurodance. Therefore , if you are not willing to acknowledge the information or slideshow on Beirut Nights article or even on the Eurodance section, I think you are doing the project of Misplaced Pages that I find honorable and helpful (eventhough contains tons of fallacies in sections relating to Lebanon) a disservice. I advise you not to rely on some automatic software checkers that saw that I did 4 entries the same night and rather CHECK the site IN DETAILS before you consider as advertisement. In fact, the actual radio costs have for 8 years (out of the 10) been covered by myself, and the past few years had some help from donations of listeners and is not by any way or mean intended to be a money making industry. Finally my fourth entry was regarding Byblos. I thought that may be that one was a little bit iffy just because the site of Byblos Radio didn't offer anything but music. It still represents a mediterranean music site who's owner is from there and I thought that it would be helpful to add any radios streaming from Byblos or representing the music culture of Byblos. But due to the poor content of the site itself ( not well built or done) I think that maybe ONLY on this entry, would it be justifiable to delete. Best Regards BeirutNights.com
- If you post it on Wikipeida, anyone can edit it. Abce2|TalkSign 03:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Pre-Siberian American Aborigines
Yes it is all messed up..was trying to update but not sure if possible To be honest Pre-Siberian American Aborigines and Pre-Columbian are the same thing ..aswell as Origins of Paleoindians and Models of migration to the New World are same topic pretty much. only solution i see is a vast cut back on info and merge them. really not sure though Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've asked a couple of other editors, do you want to post the above on the talk page of the article? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 07:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
COI noticeboard notice
Hi Dougweller, Timthom2 created a report at the COI noticeboard about the article Mad Science. The report isn't that you have a COI, but that he was declaring his own COI as an employee of the company and wanting help on the article. He also asked if the COI tag was necessary, and since you were the one who had left the tag I thought it might be a good place to mention your concerns about the current state of the article and what might need to be cleaned (assuming it doesn't get deleted). Thanks! -- Atama頭 20:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Block evasion
Indef blocked Albsol88t (talk · contribs)/Howto8008 (talk · contribs) seems to be back as Bigone2 (talk · contribs). He went and made same minor edits first but came back to edit war on the exact same stupid thing again and tried to change talk page comments from a previous account so they didn't include the swearing. It'd be nice if he'd learn to edit the right way, but I think as long as he refuses to he should stay indeffed until he takes steps to change. DreamGuy (talk) 22:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Another new SPA reverting to his preferred version of Blackout Ripper appeared once I warned the above user. So now there's also Noname8600 (talk · contribs) DreamGuy (talk) 16:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- See Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Haroldcoxley994 (how should I display that properly)?
Chronology of the Bible
Doug, could have a look at Chronology of the bible? LisaLiel doesn't like the edits I've been doing, and has now started total reversions. Please note that I'm not complaining about her behaviour, she's been quite civil and there's no personal animosity. But our positions are so far apart that we may need someone from outside to intervene. Anyway, please have a look and tell us what you think. PiCo (talk) 03:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
A few strange edits on genetics articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:R1000R1000#Genetics_articles. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've already noticed but not sure when I'll have time, hopefully sometime today. Dougweller (talk) 08:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
User:24.62.87.248
After I saw you level 4-warned him, I took a look at his contributions--nothing but disruptive editing, personal attacks and BLP violations. I gave him a one-week block to think about it. Blueboy96 14:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. I almost did the same, glad you decided to block. Dougweller (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Requesting semi-protect open
Can I get my account open to be able to edit semi-protect pages? I have the account almost 4 days and more than 10 edits. I also got cookies. Thank you. Ruben31 (talk) 17:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Are you here? Can I please have my account open for semi-protect pages now? Ruben31 (talk) 17:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
It is urgent pages I need to edit today please? Ruben31 (talk) 17:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- that was another Armenian sock. --dab (𒁳) 20:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, we were discussing him here - but I see you beat us to it. Dougweller (talk) 20:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Berber people
I don't think our friend Mr ALGERIA BERBER (talk · contribs) is going to get Misplaced Pages policy. Time for a more permanent vacation? --Folantin (talk) 21:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Probably not, but as he's been blocked for 24 hours, I think we need to wait and give him another chance. Dougweller (talk) 06:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- He was blocked for 24 hours on September 11. His first action after his return yesterday was to repeat the same behaviour. On the other hand, I suppose we could just semi-protect the article if he and his socks continue this kind of thing. --Folantin (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- If he continues, I'll probably block him. Dougweller (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- He was blocked for 24 hours on September 11. His first action after his return yesterday was to repeat the same behaviour. On the other hand, I suppose we could just semi-protect the article if he and his socks continue this kind of thing. --Folantin (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I think the article now needs semi-protection. --Folantin (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Cheers. It was getting a bit too much. --Folantin (talk) 16:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
RfC
Re chronology of the bible I think an RfC is best. How do we go about that? PiCo (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- Never mind, I think I've solved it - Misplaced Pages:Third opinion. I've asked Lisa to draft something we can jointly put up. PiCo (talk) 22:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Hi Dougweller, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 23:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Re: Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/2009_Bilderberg_Meeting - talk page gone with it.
Sorry, but we really can't have talk pages for non-existent articles. Why not ask Sandstein directly? Dougweller (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
O.K., thanks for suggesting that. I know it's the policy but it's not a good policy. The article was there, as others were that are deleted now, and should be able to have a talk page. It's a separate point that the article could be developed again, and also, because of this, should have a talk page. The confiscation of the facility to discuss at all about the subject of a deleted article which was published in this human publishing facility, The Web network (whatever reason it was deleted for, for the 'agreed good' or not that) is restrictive. Given that someone decided on this policy, it's quite fascist and against the spirit of anything Misplaced Pages could be about truly. Unless it's just that not a lot of thought went into it and an article removed means nothing at all worth much thought, but I think most people would have at least some thoughts about keeping a talk page alive for it. It should be quite a basic facility if you think about it.
Consider this article on this subject which was deleted. It's a bit a controversial subject considering there have been claims that the worlds' news media agencies shy away from talking much about it at all. And then the page is deleted, the reason given seemingly humour in poor taste and inappropriate or who knows what. So this subject, that of the deleted article, is a very good example of the restricitivism of confiscating the opportunity to discuss and publish for reading about a subject which had been published about. It is a good example of the kind of anti-information world, and more importantly anti-commuincation world (as I am talking about a discussion page rather than the subject information page itself) which Misplaced Pages was never intended to embrace truly.
If you agree, I appreciate anyone with 'clout' in Misplaced Pages, like you, sending a very quick message up to the 'powers that be' or raising it some time if you have a chance. Kind wishes.
Lecochonbleu -15/9/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lecochonbleu (talk • contribs) 00:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- It was deleted after a proper discussion, basically because we already have a main article that covers the subject. We have a process, WP:DRV, for appealing deletions. All of these processes are decided not by any single individual but by editors working together. Discussion pages are not meant to discuss the subject of an article but the article itself. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia reporting what reliable sources say about a subject, and it looks as though you'd like it to be something different. Dougweller (talk) 06:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
LaViolette
I put a friendly warning on his talk page. I was going to revert him to WP:COIN if I had to do a third revert. Simonm223 (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Nothing on his talk page from you I'm afraid. Did you not notice an edit conflict perhaps? Dougweller (talk) 16:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps. Odd. Oh well, you said what I did.Simonm223 (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I, Paul LaViolette, am editing this page to remove libelous content and correct errors previously made about my biography.
Dear Sirs:
I went in and read how I (Paul LaViolette) have been presented in Misplaced Pages and do not agree at all with much of what was written. To protect my reputation, I have tried to make the necessary corrections, but your system has reverted always to the previous version leaving the content unchanged. I have no idea why this is happening. In its present form I object to its content. I request that editors wishing to correct the present errors refer to a detailed bio posted at: Starburstfound.org/LaViolette/Bio/Bio1.html. I give my guarantee it is entirely accurate. Also in the future anyone wishing to make changes, please first email me the text they wish to post about me so that I may check it for accuracy. My email address is gravitics1@aol.com. I request that The Washington City Paper (WCP) (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/) not be used as a Misplaced Pages source of information about me. That source is not something that should be used in an academic setting such as Misplaced Pages. It is a tabloid, whose main purpose is to serve as a guide to entertainment and activities in the Washington D.C. area. WCP's writing accuracy is rather spotty, not always up to accepted standards; they liked to focus on inflammatory topics and would often do muck raking on politically hot topics. The 2000 article about me was written as an entertainment piece and the author did not get his facts straight. Sean Daly, the young reporter who interviewed me and wrote the article had originally contacted me with an interest to do a story about my pulsar/SETI findings. I soon discovered that he had no science background, little interest in science or SETI, and was mainly interested in writing a piece that would be entertaining to the nightclub seeking masses. Much of the information written about me was either fabricated or inaccurate. I was not given the opportunity to check the article over prior to its publication.
Consequently most of what is written about me in the Misplaced Pages posting which uses WCP as a source is incorrect. For example, the posting did not even get the name of my father correct. Also keep in mind that in some cases your citations and Talk:Paul LaViolette discussion refer to the source as Washington City Press (http://washingtoncity.org/index.php?sub=Press). This is an entirely different paper published in Washington City, Utah, not Washington, D.C. and is closer to what one would regard as a more standard type local paper. Washington City Press has done no story about me.
Furthermore there are difficulties also with the citation from Science magazine. Although I did take a job at the USPTO, I did not "answer Thomas Valone's call for free energy enthusiasts to take up positions in the United States Patent and Trademark Office" regardless of what David Voss says in his letter to the editor. This is a flat lie and I object to it. I had long ago posted a page informing people about this Science magazine error.
Also the Misplaced Pages posting confuses my name with that of the oceanographer Paul LaViolette. I never worked at NOARL. That referenced Science article is about someone else.
Under the "Theories" section, the last part of the first sentence is incorrect which says: "...directly to our planet from distant sources in our Galaxy aligned with the Galactic Center." This cites my 1987 paper (ref. 14), but it grossly misquotes it.
Also contrary to the posting, I have appeared on three Coast to Coast programs, not two, and it is misleading to say that on one I spoke about "Galactic Waves & Communications." I have been on many other radio talk shows as well as on TV, but I am wondering if this is important information to be putting into a bio. I don't regard this as a major accomplishment, especially to have it immediately followed by a reference to my rebreather patent which was a notable accomplishment. (PLaV (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC))
- Reposted this at Talk:Paul LaViolette Dougweller (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Astral Projection
An appeal to the "Fringe" forum by an editor on the above page brought a response from two editors, Verbal (an administrator) and Simonm223, both of whom have some history of piling into edit-wars on fringe subjects. I'd appreciate advice upon their actions, which seem to me entirely destructive and non-consensual - that is, they seem to tend to foment edit war and perhaps to misuse administrative facilities in this regard (ie rollback reversion on POV grounds). Redheylin (talk) 17:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Why does everyone think I'm an administrator? Is it because I'm so great, like all the other admins here ;) I trust in Doug's judgement and he can guide my behaviour as he see fit. Verbal chat 18:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Dunno - either you used to be or claimed to be? Anyhow, sorry for the bad info. Redheylin (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Neither I'm afraid. It's a gross injustice! (joke) Verbal chat 20:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Dunno - either you used to be or claimed to be? Anyhow, sorry for the bad info. Redheylin (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Getting banned
Dear Doug,
If I can't control my own Misplaced Pages addiction, then I'm going to have to get Misplaced Pages to control it for me. I'm going to get myself a permanent ban. I'll keep reverting that one article, Chronology of the Bible, till the admins have no option but to kick me out. Please pray for my eternal soul. PiCo (talk) 09:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but that's stupid and I don't pray. What's the point? Lisa managed to get through a year at 1RR (more or less), you mean you can't stop at 3 (or preferably 2)? Don't do this. You're not always right but you are still a net benefit to Misplaced Pages and some articles will suffer if you aren't around. Dougweller (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Template:Eurohist
After a lot of experimenting and some help from User:MSGJ, I added the taskforces to the banner as you requested here. I'm not an expert, but since nobody seemed to be doing it I thought I'd try :) The Polish history task force and the Sub-Roman Britain task force are added, and the categories shown on the template page will have to be created. I have updated the documentation too.
BTW, I noticed the sub roman task force is not in a subpage of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject European history. I think the template you'll have to use for the bot will be {{ArticleAlertbotSubscription|banner=Eurohist|wgcat=Sub-Roman Britain task force articles}}
Hope this helps. ≈ Chamal ¤ 11:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)