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Things to remember when my topic ban expires

My topic ban on editing political articles ends on 15:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC).

Here are some reminders to myself. Anyone else who wishes to add to this, please feel free to do so - thanks.

1) Don't edit war!

2) Don't edit war!

3) Don't edit war!

4) Don't start crazy Obama related articles, because the consensus has decided that such articles should not be started.

5) Don't edit war!

Grundle2600 (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't use wnd.com, obamacrimes.com, or random blogs as your sources. Keep WP:WEIGHT in mind when adding information. Good luck when you get back. (But remember that you'll be on a shortish leash.) PhGustaf (talk) 17:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I had never heard of obamacrimes.com - but I now see that it is a real website! Grundle2600 (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a test to see what time it is according to wikipedia. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I see I still have 12 minutes until my topic ban expires. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a test to see what time it is. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

My topic ban has expired. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you add to your list of things to remember:

6) WP:RS

7) WP:NOTNEWS

See Talk:Presidency of Barack Obama

Thank you. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 17:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I cited reliable sources. All of the information that I added is relevant and notable. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Blogs from mainstream news websites are acceptable as reliable sources. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

8) Wear Sunscreen! - Wikidemon (talk) 17:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh heh. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Please take it slow Grundle. If there is a dispute, bring in outside opinions at the relevant noticeboards and once consensus is reached you will have to abide by it. Good luck. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice and kind words. I am not getting into any edit wars. I want to make the articles better. Grundle2600 (talk) 18:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Now That You're Back...

You seem to be getting in trouble again very quickly. Here are some suggestions:

1. If you're here on a crusade to "reform" the article, just give up. Misplaced Pages editors don't do crusades. You'll just piss people off and get banned again. Push your agenda on a blog or wherever, not here.
2. Limit yourself to one new entry a day, rather than shotgunning with what you've saved up for three months. Let each addition settle down before entering a new one. Else your additions and the inevitable reverts get all mixed up and people lose patience sooner.
3. Just as an exercise, make a change or two sourced solely to news, not editorial nor blog, articles from solid media: NYT, CNN, AP, Reuters, the like. Stop cherrypicking cheap shots from right-wing blogs.
4. You've been around long enough to understand WP:RS. WP:NOTNEWS, WP:UNDUE, WP:WEIGHT, and the rest of the alphabet soup. Expect little tolerance if you don't act on that understanding.

Good luck. PhGustaf (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back to Obama editing, and just an additional point which you probably already know but should be emphasized (it was also mentioned in an edit summary). This remedy from the original ArbCom case is still in effect obviously, so given this edit a few hours ago you now cannot revert on Presidency of Barack Obama for one week. Like the general WP:3RR rule, the 1RR per week is a "bright line" you cannot cross but should not be viewed as an "entitlement." That is, you should not be counting down the minutes to the point where you can revert again and then "undo" an edit 10 minutes after one week has passed since your last revert. The whole point of the restriction is obviously to limit edit-warring, and a kind of "slow-burn" edit warring is also a problem.

Obviously as you know the key is to get consensus for any additions or deletions you are proposing on the article talk page as that makes reverting at all unnecessary. Best of luck. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 21:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

"Luck" isn't really needed to stay out of trouble in WP, just an understanding of reasonable writing. Both this change of yours to Charles B. Rangel and this change of yours to Kevin Jennings had some usable parts in them, but were done in blatantly unsuitable ways (creation of unwarranted sections, excessive quoting without useful context, not tracking the source material well, etc.). If you look at my revisions of what you did, you can see the difference between an edit that will stay in an article and an edit that will get kicked out. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Bigtimepeace, thanks for the reminder about the 1 RR restriction. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Wasted Time R, thanks for editing that stuff instead of erasing it. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Grundle, I've filed Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Grundle2600 based on your editing since the end of your topic ban. Please feel free to respond there. Grsz 23:29, 27 September 2009 (UTC)