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Only one inline citation in the article, and the hook itself is not cited. For an article to appear in DYK, it must generally have one inline cite per paragraph, and the hook must be cited. Warmly, –Katerenka(talk •contribs)23:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment I must admit I do not understand what this hook means, even after reading the article. Could you enlighten? —mattisse (Talk) 16:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
The article says that 'more recent investigation' has shown that autothysis is an exaggeration of the termite's self defense. Is there a source for this contradictory claim? If the termite's autothysis is debatable, then the hook will need rewriting. Arbitrarily000:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
... that most attacks on humans by the blacktip reef shark(pictured) consist of people being bitten on their legs or feet while wading in shallow water?
"Most" would be more than half and less than all. I don't see the statement demanding a higher level of precision to be true. -- Yzx (talk) 11:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
The picture going with the hook makes a very dubious claim to PD status - it was uploaded by a bot from the Romanian wikipedia, where it was misleadingly (or at least untransparently) presented as PD. In any case, it is obviously not from al-Nafis' lifetime, and seems to be a kitschy if imaginative 20th century rendition. Can someone look into this? Dahn (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Nicolae Pleşiţă
... that former Romanian secret police chief Nicolae Pleşiţă, notorious for his dealings with Carlos the Jackal, admitted dragging dissident writer Paul Goma around his cell by his beard?
Equating Gauls of 390 BC to France seems like a very far stretch. It has its due place in the article but not the main page. NVO (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Gaul is usually considered an integral part of the History of France (see that article), though borders obviously don't perfectly coincide with modern French territory. The Gauls who invaded and settled Asia Minor in the 3rd century BCE to form Galatia included the Tectosages, who came from Toulouse in southern France. In any case, in the other direction, Greeks from Asia Minor settled southern France circa 600 BCE, which easily covers the "span more than two millennia" claim of the hook. PHG 10:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Correct, but when history is narrowed to foreign relations we're also narrowing scope to - for a lack of better word - present-day nation-state and its direct predecessors; perhaps, Clovis belongs to this line of sucession but Brennus is definitely not there. NVO (talk) 13:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Per your request, I can confirm that it meets all criteria (date, length and referencing). So this is now a double-confirmed hook :D Todor→Bozhinov10:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Halloween is here THIS IS IT! Last year a fairly random hook reminded us that Halloween was on the way. This is the reminder. So if your thing is "Oregen" or "motor bikes" or whatever then look around to see if there is a missing halloween angle. Try putting "Oregen" (or whatever) and horror|ghosts|pumpkins into google and see if you can find a halloween hook for a missing article. (If your country doesnt do halloween then what it does do instead?? Victuallers (talk) 19:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
... that English author Selina Davenport, in an attempt to support herself and her two daughters after separating from her husband, ran both a coffee house and a dance school?
... that the name of the village Kokrebellur, an important breeding ground for the Spot-billed Pelican(pictured), is derived from the word "Kokkare" meaning stork or pelican in the Kannada language?
... that the first known Japanese who landed on the Marshall Islands in 1884 were killed by the islanders preceding permanent or long-term Japanese settlement in the Marshall Islands?
The hook is too close to WP:SYNTH; it reads as those Japanese came on purpose and were murdered, whereas the article says they landed there only because they got lost on the way to Japan, and that they were killed is only an assumption. Materialscientist (talk) 09:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
In the Misplaced Pages article on "horses (geology)", you'll see the term "thrust-bounded imbricates". In the first paragraph of the Sheriff-Gunderson article/cite, you'll see reference to thrust imbricates. In the Joy-Sheriff article/cite, there is another discussion of thrust imbricates (see p. 784, "Discussion and Conclusions"). I tried to avoid jargon in the DYK nom; plus, "horses" is a neater, cooler hook. (The problem is the "Horse (geology)" article, I think. It's stubby and does not clearly elaborate what a thrust imbricate is.) Imbricates are created by thrust faults, hence the reference to thrust faults in the hook. My Talk page has a terrific discussion of this with a user with a PhD in geology. As it is, based on that discussion, I'm revising the hook anyway to make it much clearer. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Joseph Nash
... that old houses in England saw an increased number of visitors in the 1840s due to published lithographs depicting architecture and historical scenes in them drawn by Joseph Nash?
Length and date verified. Offline source for hook accepted on good faith. Prefer first hook, as I am not sure the second hook is generally accurate as worded. —mattisse (Talk) 20:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Note: Hook refs located in the middle of the History and significance section; the six theatres are the Casino (1906), Bijou (1906), Star/Royal (1907), Columbia (1911), National (1911), and the Family (1914). Also note the 1913 image includes 4-1/2 of the six theatres (part of the National is at far left, the Star/Royal is just to the right of the National, the smaller Casino and Bijou are just visible in the center, the Columbia is prominently at left center, and the (unopened in 1913) Family would be past the right side of the image. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought DYK hooks were supposed to be interesting? Not many people are going to be bothered that a mushroom grows in two different places. -- BigDom17:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as there have been research groups that devote their funding and time to determining why this species is found only in NA and Asia, and investigating genetic differences in the disjunct populations, I think a few people find it interesting. Maybe not as fascinating as football, but hey, it's science. Feel free to suggest an alt that you think will be more interesting. Sasata (talk) 17:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I knew you'd say something about football, but that's not all I write about - I have a nomination on this page that isn't about football. I accept that I worded my first comment wrongly, all I meant was that if you're going to use the phrase "disjunct distribution", not many people will know what that means so they won't read it. It might be more helpful/interesting if something like, "... has a disjunct distribution, being found only in east Asia and eastern North America". Obviously, I've nothing against articles on any topic being a DYK, and I find science quite interesting myself. Nothing against the article, it was just that I thought the hook wouldn't appeal to the majority. -- BigDom18:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I had a different viewpoint, also thinking that not many people would know what it meant, which would entice them to read it :) But I'll offer the alts and leave it up to the discretion of the compiler. Sasata (talk) 19:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the painted suillus(pictured) is found only in North America and Asia?
I can see where you're coming from with your viewpoint, I guess we just see things differently... I'd say ALT3 is the better of the ALTs because I think it should still have the "disjunct distribution", it's just a bit more helpful with the geographical bit at the end. -- BigDom19:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
... that the 1915 film The Italian tells the story of an immigrant (character pictured) who comes to America in search of fortune but finds a "Darwininan jungle" on New York's Lower East Side?
... that ArchbishopLeon Tourian was assassinated in the church on Christmas Eve, 1933 by the members of the Dashnak party for his refusal to take the stage during celebration of Armenian Day until the flag of independent Armenia was removed?
... that the British submarine HMS Graph was a captured German U-boat, and was the only German submarine to see combat service with both sides during World War II?
DYKCheck indicates that this does not satisfy the criteria for 5x expansion, in particular F2 - looks like around 3.2x based on comparison of versions. Is there anything more that can be added? Nick Ottery (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
... that the sculptor Emile Norman’s largest and most famous work is a four-story high endomosaic window in the lobby of the Masonic Memorial Temple in San Francisco?
The article has been updated to reflect the fact that the source says these could probably be regarded as Ireland's greatest contribution... Should the hook be updated to reflect this too, or reworded to say something like have been described as...? Otherwise this looks good for DYK. Nick Ottery (talk) 08:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
... that due to scarcity of iron in Puerto Rico, the Spanish government contracted for the Arenas Bridge (pictured) to be built by a Belgian firm in 1894, and shipped to be assembled in place?
ALT1:... that the Arenas Bridge (pictured), the longest bridge built by Spanish colonial government in Puerto Rico, was built in 1894 to nearly complete the Carretera Central and is still in use today?
As far as i can tell the Carretera was functional in 1886 and was completed in 1898, or its construction just ceased with the 1898 Spanish-American War. The ALT1 wording that this "nearly completed" the Carretera is the best i can come up with now towards describing that, but the exact phrasing is not in any source. Maybe someone else could come up with other wording avoiding that, but capturing key elements of the hook (longest by Spanish govt, on the historic Carretera Central)? Thanks! doncram (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
... that the medieval English bishop Alexander of Lincoln was the patron of the chronicler Geoffrey of Monmouth, who dedicated his Prophecies of Merlin to the bishop?
OK, several issues. First, it sounds like marble which that company mined was used in the construction of those buildings, but not that the company actually built them. Second, those sentences are not explicitly referenced in the text. Third, your first reference talks about the Georgia Marble Company, not the Georgia Mining Company. These do not appear to be the same entities. In fact, given that your article seems to be about the former, not the latter, I've moved it to Georgia Marble Company. -Kieran (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm - the reference you use only talks about the stock exchange annex. Also, there's a better list of uses here, which mentions that only the statue of Lincoln at the memorial was Georgia Marble. I would try the following (but reference the dozens of others to the link I've provided):
... that the illegal Galician castle constructed by Muño Peláez in 1121 was considered a "den of robbers and bandits" by contemporaries, and was soon razed?
This would work well with pictures of either. I've got thumbnail images here, but I don't know how to add them to alternative hooks. GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment Terrible tragedy, of course, but I have to say that the alternative hook is much more interesting to the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment: There are several other facts which may make for a more interesting hook, but I'm going with this one for now. Ucucha21:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah that's better thanks, I've added that it is only the seedlings though as from what I gathered in the source it is only the case with them. Smartse (talk) 19:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
"First and only award" is not supported by given ref. Also, the article says he received the "best director" award, but what he has actually won is the "best screenplay" award according to the ref. ≈ Chamal¤08:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Then please move the ref to the appropriate place (ref should be directly after the hook fact - see WP:DYKDN). The fact appears after the reference. ≈ Chamal¤08:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
It's actually some 1100 characters short, but considering the improvement and massive expansion, I don't think that'd be an issue. So, IAR with offline refs AGF. ≈ Chamal¤13:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
... that Yana, India, in Karnataka is famous for trekking to two unique rock outcrops of black crystalline limestone (pictured) with a cave temple in one rock where a self manifest ShivaLinga is venerated?
Comment: Stub article expanded by more than five times
ALT1... that Yana in Karnataka, India, offers treks to two unique rock outcrops of black crystalline limestone (pictured), one with a cave temple where a "self-manifest" ShivaLinga is venerated?
- clearer. The "self-mainfest" bit could maybe be explained. Johnbod (talk) 01:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Self-manifest used in this hook is translation of the Sankrit word Swayambu. The article on this subject states: "Swayambhu (also spelt Svayambhu) means Self-manifested or that which is created by its own accord". --Nvvchar (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
... that prolific screenwriterC. Gardner Sullivan(pictured) was selected as one of the ten individuals who contributed the most to the motion picture industry?
Tricky article - at present I find it difficult to see his notability. His claim is "surveyor" but the hook is - not a very successful one. Can we find an extra 500 chars that do show his notability? Victuallers (talk) 10:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
... that Hirsh Lekert, a Bundist, tried unsuccessfully to assassinate the governor of Vilna, and became a folk hero in the Jewish workers’ movement, with poems and dramas written about him in Yiddish?
... that Sahara, a 1919 film of a woman (actress pictured) who deserts her husband and child in the desert, was called "one of the really great dramas" of recent years?
... that Starfall, a free website that teaches children how to read, had 987,000 visitors in May 2009, which was a 300 percent increase from the previous year?
Just wondering -- is this considered unusual? At most intersections, there are only four corners to locate businesses on. So if the mall was on one corner, and there were two businesses on two of the other two corners, that would just leave one corner unbuilt. And the article indicates that there was already a K mart under development on the fourth corner. --Metropolitan90(talk)06:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
It is sometimes; most malls are built in the mid of an already growing business district, but every now and then, they do build out in the middle of nowhere. I think this hook is a good way to show how Bloomington-Normal has grown over time. I did add Kmart to the hook. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 15:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is much of an improvement. Suppose there was a suggested hook that said "... that John Doe was raised by only one of his parents, his mother?". Then I would comment, "Is this considered unusual? He couldn't have more than two parents anyway, and anyway the article says that his father lived with him and his mother for some of his childhood." I wouldn't fix the hook by changing it to "... that John Doe was raised by only two of his parents?". There are only four corners at the intersection where this mall is, like most intersections in the United States. If the mall is on one corner, there would normally be only be three other businesses on the three other corners. So I don't see how this works as a hook. --Metropolitan90(talk)04:46, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, one of the big jokes (at my expense) at the last WikiMeetup in NYC was that I'm a terribly stiff writer! LOL. And yes, it would make a great April fools' day article, but we have to start somewhere. Bearian (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't think this hook is acceptable. "Steam powered transatlantic journeys" were a "practical possibility" since at least 1838, when the first regular transatlantic steamship service went into operation, and Mr Howden did not invent his gadget until the 1880s. Gatoclass (talk) 11:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I was just looking at the article and I have my doubts about that claim too. Obviously he patented a particular type of forced draught system, but it seems pretty unlikely he was the first to apply a forced draught to marine boilers, since forced draught technology had been around for a long time before the 1880s. I might have a browse through some of my references and see what I can find. Gatoclass (talk) 11:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Great, thanks for that Gatoclass, much appreciated. I posted an appeal for help on this very question on two project pages yesterday, as the topic lies well north of my area of expertise. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I've confirmed that forced drafts for marine boilers were in use since at least the 1850s, so it can't be said that he invented it. As for your alt hook, I think it's a bit misleading to link "Howden system of forced draught" to a generic link about boilers. But I think your original alt would probably be fine without the comma after "forced draught system". Gatoclass (talk) 11:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, here it is (I've changed "which" to "that", removed the comma and amended the article in the light of your remarks).
Sorry to put you to more trouble, but on closer inspection I'm not sure the reference referring to the ships is up to scratch - it's basically a blog. Any chance you could verify that info from other sources? If not, you may have to come up with a different hook. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Please don't apologise, this process is very worthwhile. I've found cast-iron refs for three ships (but I've not the time at the mo to verify the Queen Mary, Normandie and Queen Elizabeth).
Trimmed the last hook to refer only to first two ships as I'm not sure the third is referring to the same technology (and I doubt many people have heard of the Paris anyhow). Nice hook, and thankyou for your gracious response to my comments! Gatoclass (talk) 08:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. I think I'll take this whole exercise as a cautionary tale about what happens when I foolishly venture out of my depth ... Regards, Ericoides (talk) 14:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
... that professional wrestlerLa Parka is the second man to wrestle under the name "La Parka" as Adolfo Tapia, the original La Parka, did not own the copyright to the name?
... that when the Neilson Brothers platted the townsite of Lind, Washington, they named all of the north to south streets to eventually spell out their surname? The town only grew large enough to spell "Neilso".
Comment: This is an expansion, not a new article. By my count I've done the 5X expansion from this version though I'm not sure how this is actually measured (characters? kbs?). Anyway, I've pretty much exhausted every online source available in Polish and English, and a few offline as well. I've also found and added an image.
... that a church in Worthing, England (pictured), has the world's only known replica of the Sistine Chapel ceiling, hand-painted at two-thirds scale by an untrained artist?
Comment: Reffed at the end of the "Location of Worthing..." paragraph. No pic of the ceiling ... sorry ... they sell postcards of it and stuff, so I don't think I could take a photo and release it under a suitably free licence.
... that the Chilean forestry company Complejo Forestal y Maderero Panguipulli faced problems such as guerrilla activity and military intervention in the 1980s?
ALT 1 ... that Bill Cullen took the Guinness World Record for the largest ever book signing in Easons, O’Connell Street on 16th April 2005 by signing 1849 copies of his self help book Golden Apples?
Do we mean the "aircraft" when we say "flight"? I mean "the accident occurred on the flight", which is for my POV the correct expression. However, I am eager to be tought. Besides, it is not the worst accident in Turkish aviation history, because the crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 981, which occurred in France, caused the death of 346 people. The accident of Turkish Airlines Flight 452 is the worst aviation accident in Turkey. Please recheck. CeeGee (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
In aviation parlance, "Flight 452" refers to the aircraft itself, as in "We can't find Flight 452 on our radar" or "Flight 452 will be arriving 15 minutes early." If you say an accident occured on Flight 452, it sounds like the flight attendant spilled coffee on someone's lap or a passenger was hit on the head by a piece of luggage that fell out of the overhead bin. As far as my thinking the accident was the worst in Turkish aviation history, this misunderstanding was due to the sentence "It is Turkey's all times worst aviation accident," which does not necessarily mean it was the worst accident ever within the borders of Turkey, which is what you meant to say. I think it's simply a matter of wording things to make them as clear and as accurate as possible. I made a few minor changes to the article lead so the facts are clear.
ALT 3: ... that the 1976 crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 452, resulting in the death of 154 people, is the all-time worst aviation accident on Turkish soil?
... that for the score of the Prince of Persia, composer Inon Zur combined classical orchestral music with Arabic flutes and the woodwind duduk(pictured)?
Length and date are fine, but there is no inline citation supporting the fact that the opponent was the "1st Long family candidate running as a Republican", which is the item which makes the hook interesting. One minor point - is the word "yet" in the hook a typo? I don't understand why it is there. Rlendog (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I see that Long ran as a Republican. But is there a source for Long being the 1st family candidate to do so? Rlendog (talk) 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Llandovery Bank
... that Llandovery Bank, established in Wales in 1799, was locally known as the "Black Ox Bank" because it issued banknotes bearing a black ox?
... that in 1991, Victor Erlich, the grandson of Henryk Ehrlich, was informed that his father, a JewishBund leader who had been executed on Stalin’s orders, had been "rehabilitated"?
The hook source is pretty long. It's the National Park Service reference, section 8, "Statement of Significance". Grsz14:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The original nomination was better because it was objective and stuck to the facts. This version is subjective and sounds very loaded to me. —gorgan_almighty (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Not really. It's all fact. At that time the natives in that region went to Russian churches and Russian schools. Even today, the Dena'ina make up a majority of the Orthodox population in the region. Grsz14:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
What you just stated may well be fact (and could even be a possible DYK), but your ALT suggestion above is a loaded POV based on that fact. Your use of the word "assimilate" makes that particularly evident. You turned a DYK nomination about humanitarian efforts to save lives into an ALT about assimilation and implied domination. —gorgan_almighty (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
... that after a fanatical evangelist prays for a fire to destroy a saloon run by The Lady of Red Butte(pictured), a fire sweeps through the town, leaving only the saloon unharmed?
This hook is written about a work of fiction but from an in-universe perspective. Under the additional rules, that kind of hook would not normally be used. The hook needs to be true from the point of view of the real world. --Metropolitan90(talk)22:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
You're right. It was not a very good hook. Here's an alt hook that I think is better.
... that the 58-foot (18 m) motor yacht Sundowner, manned by Charles Lightoller, his son Roger, and a Sea Scout called Gerald, evacuated 130 men from Dunkirk?
The article says he learned from Americans for whom he acted as a pimp. It doesn't say that he learned english to become a more effective pimp. Maybe a reword? ≈ Chamal¤10:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I am expanding the article. In the next few days, I may find something more interesting. I also may tinker with the hook since he was unconscious for days and had tubes helping him breath.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure the caver blog post is right, but it's not a WP:RS & is anyway vague about when the actual first dive occurred. With a ref on top of it the people getting sick might be a good hook. Johnbod (talk) 14:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
... that water from Ricks Spring actually comes from the Logan River, which explains why people drinking the fresh water became infected with giardia?
Major League Baseball Comeback Player of the Year Award
Unfortunately, I don't believe we can count the text within the tables toward the minimum prose requirement of 1500 characters. The page size tool doesn't include the tables and so it reports the article's length at 1104 characters. --Metropolitan90(talk)03:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, but for a different reason. There are about 3000 bytes of text in the table that we don't count, so we might count that for 400 more characters. But it isn't 5x. F2 makes it clear that "wildly incorrect" doesn't count. It's the prose portion, not the entire article, that has to expand 5 times. So it expanded from 780 to 1104. Only by counting nearly all the text in the table as prose would it make 5x. So I don't predict it will be approved (I don't do approvals). 5x780-1104=2796 more bytes of prose as defined above (not tables or list) would take the article beyond the gray area. Art LaPella (talk) 03:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
1703 Apennine earthquakes
... that the 1703 Apennine earthquakes were a sequence of three magnitude ≥6 events that progressed southwards 36 km over 19 days, killing at least 10,000 people?
... that Tutinama is a collection of 52 Persian stories narrated through a parrot to prevent his owner (pictured) from committing adultery while her husband was away on business affairs?
Comment: Stub article expanded by more than five times
... that Ray Milland starred in the 1953–1955 CBSsitcom, Meet Mr. McNutley, the story of a sometimes absent-minded college professor at a women's college?
... the article gives the impression that he was torture and killed and then (his body?) he was maybe fed to wild animals ...maybe lions. I can't , get to/understand the ref, but I think the hook stretches what the article says .... oh! and I copyeditted the article.Victuallers (talk) 09:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The article says "according to some sources he could have even been fed to wild animals (lions)" and cites a newspaper interview (no factual evidence there). Facts please. Materialscientist (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
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List of Suzuka Circuit fatal accidents
... that one driver was killed at Suzuka Circuit(pictured) when he was struck by another car just after he exited his stricken car?
Hmm... it's a list article, and per C1, tables are not counted as prose. A list article should have a lead section that is more than 1500 characters for it to be featured on DYK. Could you please expand the lead? ≈ Chamal¤03:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Apparently an IP (). Note that he also added User:23prootie (who is blocked for one month, so might be a possible block evasion) to the credit template. Anyway, I'll check the article now. ≈ Chamal¤10:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe someone else should take a look... I'm a little uncomfortable with reviewing this after spotting that weird edit. ≈ Chamal¤11:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Comment Main hook verified by ref, ALT 1 not verified by ref. Date of creation fine. Not sure re length, need someone more experienced to check this out. Mjroots (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
GREAT article, respect. Skäpperöd (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Only one inline citation in the article, and the hook itself is not cited. For an article to appear in DYK, it must generally have one inline cite per paragraph, and the hook must be cited. Warmly, –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 23:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Hook is 224 characters when maximum per DYK rules is 200. —mattisse (Talk) 15:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Everything in the article checks out; will assume good faith on the offline source(s). Good work, –Katerenka (talk • contribs) 06:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Article has only been expanded by about 0.5% in the last seven days. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
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Done Corrected, thanks. PHG 18:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Not seeing the cites. Shoemaker's Holiday 16:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
