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Flag icons

Hi. I disagree that names of countries need icons next to them. MOSICON says they should “help the reader rather than decorate,” and specifically‘’’ to “provide additional essential information or needed illustration”.

But it's good that this is coming up. The guideline is not specific enough, and both my interpretation and yours may be valid ones. I'd like to settle this question once and for all, so we can stop revert-warring over this. We need to get the community to form a consensus, either about this type of use of icons in general, or this specific application of them in infoboxes. I've started a discussion thread at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Military history#Flag icons guidelines. Please let's discuss there. —Michael Z. 2008-12-12 17:01 z

Linking complete nouns

Nitpicky, but I don't see how this “fixes” the links. Sentences are easier to read when noun phrases are linked as a unit, as T-34 medium tank, rather than separating their proper names as if they were isolated adjectives, like T-34 medium tank. See also WP:R#NOTBROKEN. —Michael Z. 2009-02-10 22:17 z

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China as G36 user

I just moved the citation. I didn't put it there. Ominae (talk) 03:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

File:Browning M2HB .50-caliber.jpg

US Government websites not only host government created works - see the disclaimers for defenseimagery.mil or army.mil. Per the EXIF, and maybe per the description in the past, this photgraph was not taken by an US employee but an Australian soldier and is not public domain per {{PD-USGov}} or similar licenses like PD-USGov-Military-Navy/Army. --Martin H. (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

If it is published by a federal entity, is it not PD? Koalorka (talk) 15:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

The template even says it is public domain because it was created by an US employee - nothing else matters. Maybe you want to replace the image with something free from http://defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html#a=search&s=.50-caliber%20machine%20humvee (better search terms possible) --Martin H. (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Glock

First off, this edit wasn't nice/AGF, knock it off~! If you seriously think that J_E is my sock then why not start a SPI? Secondly, I'm of the opinion that the said image on article page can be updated to reflect the latest model/design, per WP:BOLD. Lastly, name callings of your fellow editor will lead you to nowhere in terms of AGF, you should know that since you're a seasoned editor. Why can't you have the courtesy of thinking that other editors are here to help improve the article? Other than the obvious vandalism edits, why is it that you always think of the worst of others. Have you forgotten that Misplaced Pages is a collabarative effort? I won't mince my word but you really ought to be ashame of yourself! --Dave1185 (talk) 01:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Who are you and why do you appear when I find myself embroiled in conflict with someone else only to oppose me for the sake of confronting me? I'm beginning to think this is no longer a bizarre coincidence. My frustration stems mostly from the fact that 99% of the editors DO NOT improve the article, but instead, whether it be good intentions or not, tear away at it piece by piece. Have you noticed that there hasn't been any significant CONTENT or cited material contributed apart from my work? Take a look through the history. I'm either reverting Malaysian space rangers from the Users list or quarreling over some totally redundant details like I am now. I'm aware of two, possibly 3 editors actually introducing quality content. It's frustrating. Koalorka (talk) 01:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Continue to behave as such towards me isn't going to do you any good and like I've said before, take it to SPI if you think that J_E is my sock. If not, knock it off~! I'm not here to argue with you for the sake of it, mind you. FYI, I just happen to be reading the article and wondered why the profile image kept changing, is that a coincidence? If you think it is, then it is. If you think it is not, then it isn't. I have nothing to hide fom anybody. --Dave1185 (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Good, then address the latter half of my response above. Koalorka (talk) 02:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Per your frustration, mayhaps you need to take a wikibreak. And I most certainly don't have to answer you on the last part since you have taken it on your own assumption that you are above the rest and that all others are not worthy of collaborating with you on Misplaced Pages (It's written all over your top statement, go read it!). Plus, I'm not here to judge you but please don't take it as your task to judge others, you are not god and you most certainly aren't an Admin here calling the shots. Take it to SPI if you want, my conscience is clear. --Dave1185 (talk) 02:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

What makes you think you can offer me advice? What a silly little internet character you are. I don't think you're qualified to even speak in your own defense, let alone dispensing advice to others. Run along now, there's a bloodthirsty Indonesian chargin' Malaysia! Koalorka (talk) 03:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Right... most likely it's a mad moose wanting to soar like a Canadian Geese that's acting up again on your side, eh? Once again, knock it off~! PS: Don't be so full of yoourself. --Dave1185 (talk) 03:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

That makes no sense, just stop, it's painful to watch. I'll see you in a year or two, until then watch your back. Those Indonesians are a slippery bunch ya know. Koalorka (talk) 03:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Whatever. --Dave1185 (talk) 03:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I accept your apology. Don't waste so much of my time next time. Koalorka (talk) 03:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not going to laugh at you since you've already gotten what you deserved. Next time, I'll take you to WP:ANI for your persistent flippant disregard of WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL, which also has the detrimental effect of making you look like a disruptive editor since your behaviour towards J_E was no different from biting a new comer. If you have nothing better to say, say nothing. --Dave1185 (talk) 06:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Run along back to your sweatshop skippy. Koalorka (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Based on this and your multiple reverts, I've suspended your editing rights for a week. Tom Harrison 23:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

How does that address the problem? Koalorka (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It prevents you from continuing to abuse and harass other contributors, and prevents you from continuing to edit war. Tom Harrison 13:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

So it excludes me from debate and gives the other confrontational editor a free hand.. That solves the problem according to you? Fantastic, thanks for contributing to the dysfunction. You're not qualified to be an admin. And it takes 2 to edit war. The source of the problem was that EMT fellow, who continued to revert and escalate after being warned. Koalorka (talk) 14:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Delicious butthurt. Koalorka (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

And with that, your talk page usage has been disabled. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Warning

Do this again and I will block you. It's his talk page, and it's irrelevant. Each wiki is different. If he's socking or screwing around here, report it. Otherwise, knock that off or you will be done here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't you threaten me. Koalorka (talk) 12:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

So you are now threatening to block someone, who had been uninvolved save for a note about sourcing, for undoing the removal of a sockpuppet block notice? Although that is not the best thing to do, it absolutely doesn't warrant such a hostile message, and is hardly enough to block someone; especially when the other user has been blocked internationally for sockpuppeting and disruptive editing. And of course that user is socking and screwing around here, you should know; since I was the one who already reported him and you failed to block him. Stop threatening to block the users who are attempting to stop this disruptive editing, and concentrate on the source. — DanMP5 15:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

It's his talk page and his right to remove stuff from it he wants. A notice about something on another wiki is irrelevant here. If it was a block notice for here, fine, that needs to be kept, but otherwise, yes it is harassing to keep bothering him. Again, I gave everyone my view. If you all want him blocked or punished otherwise, there are methods to do so (ANI again, user RFC), but harassing him because you decided that he deserves to be harassed isn't going to fly. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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Go ahead and remove the image. It is copyrighted and I mistakenly assumed it was from my own collection. Koalorka (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice

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You ridiculous little character. If I were petty enough I would ANI you right back for this stunt. Koalorka (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

From ANI - you're still pushing buttons on civility

(noted on ANI and on Koalorka's talk page)

Koalorka - Numerous people have warned you before, and blocked you before, for poking back too hard at editors who are disruptive or who come into conflict with you.

I agree that this is a relatively minor case and not worthy of any official sanction at this time.

But Ricky was not hallucinating. You keep pushing this button. Please consider this topic a poorly fuzed land mine. If you keep banging on the button on top, eventually it explodes, and then you are very very sorry.

Stop banging on the button. Learn to edit in a manner which does not abuse those around you. Even if they are behaving badly.

You have been baited in the past and subjected to harrassment campaigns. Those are not entitlements for you to push back. Despite you being one of the more productive military topic and firearms editors - and someone who appreciates your content efforts in depth - eventually you will exceed everyone's tolerance. Eventually you will exceed my tolerance.

Misplaced Pages does not have space in its community for people who continually abuse those around them. You have gotten better on this point. But you are not doing well enough yet that you're out of danger of indefinite blocking based on ongoing behavior. Take the hint, please. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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I am aware of that discussion. It was inconclusive to say the least and no one was able to prove that the images were in violation of any copyright. Koalorka (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

IMI Galil

Ref your comment on my talk page that I removed something from the IMI Galil page, I haven't touched the page since early July. So I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Strangways (talk) 14:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Mehmetcik 1

I suggest you google the pictures of Mehmetcik 1 and HK-416. There, you will see the differences between these two rifles. By the way, HK-416 is not a product of german super duper engineering either as it was developed in collaboration with USA. You can not use 'will' and 'adoptED'^in the same sentence. Please be careful with the grammar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidewinder1978 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Unless you provide a solid reference stating otherwise, the Mehmetcik 1 is a straightforward copy of the HK416. Koalorka (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

FWIW: Some of the early photos of the Mehmetcik 1 clearly show HK-style date codes and proof marks from the same German proof house used by HK. --D.E. Watters (talk) 19:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I have seen those as well. The Turks are making it out to be some indigenous Wunderwaffe. Koalorka (talk) 20:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Kokalis

I know I have them, I have SOF magazines going back to the 70's (I even have the first issue) but he did a limited run of maybe two years called "Fighting Firearms" published by SOF Press, the R4 was in the debut issue if I remember correctly. My only problem with that run was an article someone other than Kokalis wrote about a rifle claimed to have been used by the Stasi in 5.45X39mm...it was really an East German Squirrel gun with a Zeiss/Jenna scope. I worked for the company that imported them into the US and Canada at the time. The company claimed they were Sniper rifles, but that's another story!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

File:W+F Maschinenpistole E21.JPG

Hi, thanks for uploading that file! Did the author explicitly agree to release it under the CC licence? In the image description, you quote him only as allowing use on Misplaced Pages, which is not enough for our purposes. Best,  Sandstein  17:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Well I told him that I would offer to credit him as the author, and that is the response I got. Koalorka (talk) 17:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

But you did not mention the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License, and neither did he?  Sandstein  17:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

No I did not. I assumed that would closely reflect our verbal agreement. Koalorka (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to delete the file as a copyright violation. We may only upload images under CC licences if the author explicitly agrees to that licence. Otherwise, they may not be aware that under the CC licence, others (not just Misplaced Pages) may also use the image, even commercially. In addition, the release normally needs to be in writing for independent verification. If you want to use the image, please get a explicit release under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License, upload the image to Commons and forward the release e-mail to permissions@wikimedia.org. Thanks!  Sandstein  17:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It is inconvenient for many individuals to have to deal with precise legal language. And I am done with Commons, most of my permission requests to OTRS have gone unanswered after a great deal of effort on my part to convince authors. Even some of my very own photos have been deleted because of my "history". I refuse to deal with Commons, they are inefficient and inconsistent with their interpretations of what is permissible and what is not. Koalorka (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, while observing legal niceties is inconvenient, it is absolutely mandatory for our work here, so as not to bring Misplaced Pages in legal trouble. I am most concerned that you do not understand this. Moreover, your block log at Commons indicates that you were indefinitely blocked there for "uploading unfree files after warnings". Your recent image uploads include other files that have dubious licencing statements, such as File:Adam's Guns Vz. 58.jpg and File:FDF BMP-1 IFV.jpeg (the statements cited there do not amount to a waiver of copyright) or File:SG 550-2 Right Folded.jpg (another CC-labeled image where the cited statement makes no reference to the CC licence.)

It appears that you have continued to upload unfree files to Misplaced Pages after your Commons block prevented you from doing so on Commons. That is disruptive conduct. I am about to block you indefinitely and nuke all your image uploads for this. Do you have any convincing reasons why I should not do so?  Sandstein  18:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

How do I respond to such an aggressive provocation? The images I uploaded came with explicit permission from their authors, and do not jeopardize Misplaced Pages. No one was able to point out where the FDF images were in violation of Finnish copyright. Adam's Guns permission was obtained by someone else and used successfully both here and on Commons much earlier. Besides that I have made hundreds of other uploads of unquestionable copyright status, clearly made in good faith. And don't threaten me with an outright ban again, that constitutes harass,emt, next time I will respond with an AN/I. Koalorka (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)