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You are hereby warned. You are to stop attacking a certain product, which is protected by a company with considerable means. (Unsigned comment by Dr sears)

Hey, RIR, I think you are really needed at Juice Plus, I think you really could help us out. This whole thing is getting a bit out of hand, and it won't hurt if you helped. :) Yanksox 02:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen the talk page? I applied an expert tag since I felt a third party was nominated. Then suddenly, "dr. sears" pops up. If you read the talk you can see the...I'm not sure what to call it. Yanksox 03:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A little help, please

I am the person on the Juice Plus+ article that everyone refers to as an I.P. address. I have made my comments and they have accomplished nothing at all. I am fine with that as this is your world and not mine. But, I would appreciate it if you would remove my I.P. address from the comments. If you have to, go ahead and remove my comments along with the I.P. address. There is too much going on over the Internet today and I don't need my I.P. address hanging out there and my network attacked. Please, I am asking you as nicely as I know how. I do not work for NSA or Juice Plus+. I do take Juice Plus+ and I have seen incredible results, and so has my family, extended family and friends. I think it's totally unfair that the product is being attacked like it is and the worst part is it may be depriving people from knowing about something that could really help them out a great deal. To me that's really sad, but this is not my fight (which it has turned into). I am not the same person as Dr. Sears either. If I wanted to I could come in using numerous I.P. addresses making it pretty difficult to block me, but I have no intention of doing that, I would just like my I.P address removed.

Thank you!

Nick (Unsigned comment by 70.33.58.155)

You don't have much of a choice, you editted on Misplaced Pages as an anon, and there really is nothing that could be done. have you considering registering a username? Yanksox 20:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"Dr. Sears"

I would revert the blanking, I strongly suspect he's realizing it was a bad idea. Now, we need to fix Juice Plus up. You've done a good job! Yanksox 04:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep an eye on this IP, 12.73.181.83 (talk · contribs · email). He's blanking the original anon's sig. Yanksox 05:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Answer to your question

Dr sears is an enigma. First, I don't think he is the 'real' doctor sears from askdoctorsears.com. His claims were too outrageous and all the information he used was listed on the website, like a low-level marketing/distributor from JP+ was cutting and pasting. It did bring my attention to the website askdoctorsears.com which is a completely misleading 'appeal to authority' in the first place where 'he' (in the knowledge that NSA marketing types most likely wrote his site) blankets the site with his credentials then gives personal testimonals, that are by the way outrageous: "JP+ cured cancer, myopia, etc". The interesting thing, is that no effort was expended to conceal the fact that NSA/Juice Plus+ wrote the website -- look at http://www.askdoctorsears.com/html/4/T040500.asp and see the corporate graphics integrated into the site. Not only that but Juice Plus+ add banners everywhere. This makes me sad for the consumer out there is is trusting the credentials and not seeing the marketing links and money flow underneath the site.

As for the comments on the talk page, I don't really care. His contributions are not significant; their only significance is that they testify to the ardor JP+ folks will fight to defend their product. I would too if I put down that kind of money and time into a supplement. So I would let him remove his comments, no use entering an edit war over that and the comments are in the Misplaced Pages archives anyway.

What is more interesting is his warning on your talk page. I have to mull that over what 'he' is trying to accomplish there. Clearly, this individual is not too informed on how wikipedia works if he is trying to appear unbias and leaving warnings tied to his username. Maybe he doesn't know how non-anonymous Misplaced Pages is. Oh and BTW, Nick needs to learn about IP addresses (i.e. a hacker can't do anything with a ISP's ip-address), why doesn't he just sign up for an account? Tbbooher 01:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you deserve this

		The Original Barnstar
		I, Yanksox, award an old school barnstar to Rhode Island Red for such an incredible body of work and tireless efforts to keeping Juice Plus in good quality. Yanksox 05:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Any alternative to Stephen Barrett, over at Juice Plus?

I'm appealing to you as the lonely defender of policy over at Juice Plus. I must confess that when I first saw the mention of Stephen Barrett at that page, I became nervous. Is there any alternative to using him there? I.e. anybody else who makes the same points. I gather that a lawsuit between Barrett and somebody else has been the subject of an Arbcom case. (Reference available on request). From his previous background, it's not obvious that he would be the world authority on MLM schemes. But you've looked at this issue more than me. If you were to drop S.B. from the article, it would only lose two sentences. Thanks, EdJohnston 20:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Article Update

Rhode Island Red, I'm interested in updating the USANA article to include what has been happening in the news over the last little while (Allegations/lawsuits and their outcomes). Since you have been involved in the article I would like you to post your thoughts or suggestions on the matter if you wouldn't mind. I'm not sure when I'll get started on this since I'm currently very busy but I would like you to be included because you have been involved in the editing of the article. I'll be opening this topic in the Discussion section of the USANA article.Jean314 (talk) 20:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

USANA

Rhode Island Red.

Firstly, thankyou for your contributions to the USANA article. The contributions, as they are significant changes, are currently for discussion. Please participate in this, to ensure concensus. I will revert your changes until we have some solid answers and suggestions on how to ensure the USANA article is informative, cited & correct, and neutral. Andrewmizzi (talk) 06:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC) It's up there now coincidentally. Rhode Island Red (talk) 06:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Julia Griggs Havey

I am going to strongly suggest that you refrain from editing this article and instead, contribute any concerns or discussion on the talk page of the article instead. Given your history with the subject on Misplaced Pages and your editing to the article, it is apparent that you are having difficulty maintaining a proper perspective when editing the article. Shell 00:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, probably a good idea. Will do. Rhode Island Red (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I really appreciate that. I've got it on my watchlist now, so if you make any suggestions on the talk page, I can take a look for you. Shell 16:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Your 3RR report

Hello Rhode Island Red. Recently you posted a complaint about another editor at WP:AN3 regarding Juice Plus. So far no admin has responded. This report poses some difficulty for admins, since it is unclear that any 3RR violation occurred, and complaints of long-term edit warring usually need to show that the editor named is working against a clear consensus of the other editors on the article. It is worth considering if an official Request for comment should be opened regarding the wording of the lead. That would serve to clarify the consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 16:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

HI RIR, I saw that you reported me for Edit Warring so I just wanted to clear up my point of view. I am a new editor but I am an avid Misplaced Pages reader. I used to read the talk page on the Juice Plus page years ago and you appear to be doing the same thing now that you were doing then, ignoring other editors opinions and forging ahead with your vision for the Juice Plus page. If you look at the page today, it is a mockery for any unbiased person to read. Luckily I have a new neat little portable computer now and my goal is to improve as many articles as can. If I may, why have you been so focused on the Juice Plus article for all these years? Patriot Missile33 (talk) 22:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

First, you were reported for edit warring because you repeatedly deleted content without justification and violated 3RR by undoing the reversions of two different editors. You also ignored the replies of the other editors on the Talk page and failed to include edit summaries. These kinds of actions are all frowned upon here at WP, and 3RR is non-negotiable, except in cases of blatant vandalism. The page has been indefinitely protected.

Second, the appropriate place to discuss potential improvements to the Juice Plus article is the Juice Plus talk page, where you have already posted several times, rather than my user page. If you have any comments or suggestions, they would best be communicated to all editors working on the article rather than just to me.

Third, WP policy dictates that you should “comment on content, not on the contributor”. Personal questions, like personal attacks, are inappropriate.

Lastly, I see that you had a 24-hour block for violating 3RR less than a week ago. If you continue to edit in this manner you may be blocked from editing permanently. Editing on WP is not a right, it’s a privilege that must not be abused. As a new editor, please take the time to familiarize yourself with the policies and guidelines of WP, as doing so may help you to avoid editing conflicts and violations in the future. Rhode Island Red (talk) 05:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Macular degeneration

Hi there, have any new reviews been published on the efficacy of antioxidants in this condition? Most of the stuff I have seen recently seems pretty positive about these compounds as therapy. Tim Vickers (talk) 02:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found PMID 16625532 and PMID 18253971, you seem to be more up on the literature than I am! Tim Vickers (talk) 02:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Those 2 references make the point very well. I was at an international ophthalmology research review panel on MD last year where they went over all the major trials, and the results to date do not support the value of supplements for prevention or treatment of ARMD. There are probably other references as well, but the two Cochrane reviews make a strong case. Rhode Island Red (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I tend to look at this topic from the biochemistry viewpoint, rather than the clinical applications. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I have quite a bit of experience at the research bench on this subject too so if I can ever be of assistance, just let me know. Rhode Island Red (talk) 21:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Nazi

don't tell me to 'stay cool' you are an asshole. (unsigned comment 17:23, 30 October 2009 Dubbawubba (talk)(contribs)

You need to take a time out to catch your breath. We don't say such hostile and offensive things to other editors here on WP. Zero tolerance for personal attacks is a cornerstone policy. Don't push your luck. Rhode Island Red (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Dude, I find you to be arrogant, obnoxious, overbearing, obsessive and basically a Wiki Nazi. YOU exhaust people away from this site, you have not turned anyone against Juice Plus because of your obvious bias against it. I really hope you die a very miserable lonely death tucked away in your garbage filled house. I picture you as a dirty, greasy, old ugly miserable little sad man with little to no life outside of wikipedia. I am willing to bet you haven't been laid in years, likely due to your very small penis. Thus the Cock referrence in your 'handle', you want to feel big somewhere, and since it isnt' in the real world, you have chosen to be a Wiki God. Good for you. Well done. When you die, and hopefully the news will get out about who died on the same day you quit editing ( my money is on Dr. Barrett for your identity), no one is going to miss the wonderful Wiki editor who kept the world safe from fruits and vegetables. I doubt more than your mother, father and siblings will show up at your funeral,likely your siblings wont' because you probably bug the shit out of them too. When you take in your last breathe Red, are you going to be happy about the thousands of hours you spent here at Wiki railing against Juice Plus? is that going to be the measure of your life's work? Honestly, isn't there something in life you could be doing other than this obsession? Isn't there someone you could be talking to for help, for some companionship,or have you driven them all away by your obnoxious overbearing arrogant opinionated jerk peronality?

I hope this gets me banned, as I have a life to get back to now, but this great post will live on, life on line for ever and serve as a ass slapping to the biggest pain in the ass ever! Is there a barnstorming award for that? you win it!! you are a complete and total jerk off.

Dont bother posting on my talk page, warning me or thinking I give a shit about getting kicked off of WIKI...oh?! what will I possibly find to do in life?!the all knowing 05:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC) (unsigned comment 05:26, 3 November 2009 Dubbawubba (talk)(contribs)

I regret that you have escalated your attacks. A complaint is now been filed against you at Wikiquette Alerts. Rhode Island Red (talk) 05:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

you don't seem to get the "I don't give a shit" concept Red. Let me make it clear, you don't intimidate me, I am a middle-aged guy with nothing to lose. I could care less if I get banned, my wrist slapped or even jailed over putting you in your place. You are an asshole and there are likely dozens of wikis who are applauding me right now, as we speak. LOSER!!!!!

So be it. I'm just following procedure, sock puppet. Rhode Island Red (talk) 06:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

This user was blocked indefinitely by WP admin the next day. As offensive as this users comments were, I am leaving them here for now to serve as an example of (a) what happens to editors who ignore WP rules about pesonal attacks and (b) the kind of obstacles that one must face when editing certain articles (like Juice Plus) where sock/meat puppets, SPAs, and COI violators are not uncommon. Rhode Island Red (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Very Sorry about DubbaWubba

User:Rhode Island Red, I'm very sorry for you about what Dubbawubba said (the git), and I'm sure you're a very good person. :-)BuckyBKatt (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)