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Perhaps a mention of the Great Serb Nikola Tesla?

Perhaps article could mention the great Serbian Inventor(Born in Croatia of Serbian Parents july 10,1856 died Jan 7 1943 New York City N.Y. USA>) Theres the Tesla museum(also not mentioned in article located in Belgrade , with Teslas ashs and variuos models of his iknventions.Thanks! PMSN080909.Thanks!JANUSROMA (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is about Serbia, while Nikola Tesla was Serbian he lived in Austrian Empire, Kingdom of Hungary, France, USA from what I see in Misplaced Pages, so his place is in Serbs (where he already appears) not in Serbia. man with one red shoe 12:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

It's simply saying that Kosovo borders the rest of Serbia. Serbia's article page doesn't mention that it borders Kosovo for the simple reason that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Kosovan Albanians may have declared independence but it's recognized by barely 25% of countries around the world. If the southern states of the USA decided to declare independence it wouldn't be recognized either - in fact the USA's constitution makes it quite clear that states can't leave and a war was fought over this very issue. --217.203.131.146 (talk) 23:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Tesla was a Serb and a very important person in the history of the world. He should be mentioned. It doesn't make sense for Tesla not to be mentioned. Gingermint (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Tesla is a person, and a scientist. He has his own article. That he was a Serb is totally irreverent to what he has done, and what he has done is totally irrelevant to Serbs and Serbia. Prodego 04:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

This article is about Serbia, while Nikola Tesla was Serbian he lived in Austrian Empire, Kingdom of Hungary, France, USA from what I see in Misplaced Pages, so his place is in Serbs (where he already appears) not in Serbia. (I have no problem to repeat my answer if people don't bother to read it before they post...) man with one red shoe 04:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Borders with...

In the Kosovo article, that country borders with Central Serbia, and in this article, Serbia does not border with Kosovo.

I think this is a POV way of describing reality, and that there are NPOV ways of describing *today's* international border. --Mareklug 03:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Care to suggest one? --Cinéma C 00:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not POV to report the POV of an article subject: the majority of Serbians (and their government) consider Kosovo part of Serbia, while the majority of Kosovars (and their government) do not. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of I think of that line of argumentation, the fact of there being an international border on the Kosovo/Serbia (however you call that) line is indisputable. It requires a passport and a visa to cross it. This should be acknowledged when we NPOV list what Serbia borders with. --Mareklug 04:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah visa is needed in Mareklug world, but in reality there is no need for any Kosovo vissa.--Avala (talk) 13:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Mareklug, go to Kosovo, and find out for yourself, instead of trolling this page... --Cinéma C 21:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I am not trolling this page, and the tone of the answers from Avala and you is decidedly partisan and lacking assuming good faith. I don't know the particulars of who requires a visa and who doesn't in the eyes of either Serbian or Kosovan border guards, but it is obvious that a passport control is being performed there, hence there exists an international border. So what does Serbia border with if not Kosovo? Please, be objective and dispassionate. --Mareklug 11:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC) P.s. Look what I just found: Serbia has agreed to set up a full operational border and custom control with its southern neighbor, the Republic of Kosovo. . That's published source and we are supposed to adhere to sources, not patriotic OR.

"www.newkosovareport.com" doesn't sound like a WP:RS find a better supporting source. man with one red shoe 13:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Mareklug, as User:Cinéma C said, go and visit Kosovo yourself and as a Polish/US citizen you don't need a visa but if you have problems with your passport, your access will be refused, and you will get the idea. Thank you. kedadial 15:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, here is a Serbian source: . It's a fact, nothing to do with sources: Jakšić said that this is a very painful issue for Kosovo Serbs, along with the fact that Serbia “supports the introduction of a regular border between Serbia and Kosovo”. --Mareklug 14:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

We could something along the lines of "central Serbia boarders Kosovo to the South, whos status is disputed", obviously it could be worded much better than that. IJA (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I made an earlier edit changing the wording to state that whether Albania borders Serbia or not is a matter of controversy, specifically that of Kosovo's status. It was edited back to list Albania as uncontroversially bordering Serbia, with a reference to a UN resolution of 1999. I hope anyone will agree that the situation has changed significantly since 1999, with a large number of UN member states recognizing Kosovo as an independent state, while others still consider it part of Serbia. It's therefore POV to list Albania among the neighbors of Serbia without stating that this is a matter of controversy. I've changed the wording again. Please discuss here before changing it back. Kenji Yamada (talk) 09:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It looks like we're getting into an edit war over the sentence including Albania among Serbia's neighbors. Can we at least agree that whether Albania is a neighbor of Serbia or not depends on whether Kosovo is part of Serbia, and this latter point is controversial? Any statement to the effect that Albania and Serbia share a border, period, is POV, unless it makes it clear that this is a matter of controversy. The facts of the matter are 1) Albania borders Kosovo, 2) Kosovo was until fairly recently regarded as part of Serbia by nearly all other countries, and 3) Kosovo is now regarded as part of Serbia by a large number of countries, but is regarded by an also large number of countries as a sovereign state and therefore no longer part of Serbia. If we say, in whatever grammatical form, "Albania borders Serbia", then we are committing to the point of view of the governments of Serbia, Russia, Spain, Ukraine, Vietnam etc. in preference to that of the USA, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia etc. Kenji Yamada (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems that Serbian invasion of Croatia and Bosnia never happened?!?!

How funny and curious that the author "accidentally" skipped this part of Serbian history like it never happened or it is irrelevant. But he was very outspoken talking about Jasenovac and blaming it all on Croatians forgetting about the Nazi's.

Oh well, i'm not here to ruin your glorious version of Serbian history neither i will even bother to dispute it, together with those Jasenovac figures, but if you're writing something at least write the whole story.

p.s. looking forward for a day that Vukovar or Srebrenica people (at least those two for start) will receive an apology from the serbian goverment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjerod (talk • contribs) 03:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it is ridiculous to have a whole separate section on the Ustase genocide and yet not a single mention of Serbian war crimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.73.61 (talk) 17:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

To the gentlemen writing above, the Ustase committed their crimes without seeking any permission from their Nazi 'masters'. In fact, Alexander Löhr, the a Luftwaffe General even wrote protests to his government about the activities at Jasenovac. The Germans even court-martialed 2 Croatians for horrible crimes against humanity in 1942. The crimes in Jasenovac happened before the height of the Final Solution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avatar47 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Is this really a very constructive way to display your opinions? No, it isn't; regardless of the details, Misplaced Pages is apolitical, meaning it does not favour anyone's opinion on anything; only what is proven to be true. --Île_flottante~Floating island 17:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The World Court has found no evidence directly linking Serbia and the 1992-1995 war in Bosnia-Herzegovina. The United Nations International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on February 26 2007 that there was no proof that Serbia or its leaders planned to wipe out the non-Serbian peoples of the Balkans, or that a chain of command existed linking them to the atrocities committed in Bosnia. There is no doubt that Milosevic bore substantial responsibility for the political developments that facilitated the break-up of Yugoslavia. However, the ICJ ruling flies in the face of the claim of Western governments and the media that the Serbian President was the all-powerful figure who “directed what went on in the Balkans” or single-handedly “destroyed the delicate balance of ... Yugoslavia.” "The significance of the World Court ruling on genocide in Bosnia" By Paul Mitchell, 16 March 2007 --Cinéma C 22:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't really affect the history of it though Cinema C. After all, we do have articles about such things. It does seem strange to have a section for the Ustase genocide, but not Serbian war crimes. IMO, neither section belongs in this article, but certainly include both or none. Prodego 02:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Then remove the Ustase section. After all, Misplaced Pages is apolitical (lol).137.205.73.61 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC).

So, is there consensus to remove the Ustase section? --Île_flottante~Floating island 12:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm for it. It was written with an obvious POV attempt; while the genocide did take place, it was carried out outside of Serbia proper. Should have a sentence in WW2 section, but not the whole section. No such user (talk) 07:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

^^^^ I agree137.205.73.61 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC).

Might I remind everyone that the WWII Independent State of Croatia included a part of the territory of todays Serbia. The section should include crimes committed on that territory (i.e. Sajmiste Concentration Camp), but I don't think the section should be removed. --Cinéma C 22:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Cinema C i don't know where are you getting those kind of articles, i'm refering to the world court thing that has found no evidence directly linking Serbia in the war in Bosnia, lol, even if such article and statement really exists than the world court is a big joke of an institution, seriously, don't want to be rude or anything but that is just absurd and even offensive for the bosnian people who lived thru it. Maybe that same court says that there is no evidence that Serbia invaded/destroyed Croatia? What about Kosovo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjerod (talk • contribs) 18:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool,if wikipedia is apolitical,why not simply state the facts and list the genocides Serbia did? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.100.48.166 (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Administration of Kosovo

Kosovo is not under the administration of EULEX. EULEX provides only technical assistance to the local police, justice and customs services. Direct international influence in Kosovo internal politics is applied through the office of the International Civilian Representative/EUSR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icarusburns (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The subject of Kosovo is somewhat controversial. You may wish to suggest your ideas at the Kosovo talk page instead. --Île_flottante~Floating island 20:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone proofread this?

Very weak english writing at work here. Has any native English speaker read the entire article? Realize how many mistakes there are? I wanted to edit out the mistakes, but realized I am barred from doing so. Please, someone take 10 mins and clean it up. Looks completely unprofessional and unkempt.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avatar47 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Milosovic trial

Milosovic was being tried by the International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia, not the International Criminal Court. Both are located in the Hague but obviously different entities. I am new to this so could not make the correction. (Dutchwolves (talk) 13:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

Changed, thanks! Prodego 17:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Albania borders Kosovo

"Albania, to the southwest, borders Kosovo, Serbia's southern province, which has declared its independence"

Is this supposed to be neutral?

First of all, Kosovo is not Serbia's province, it's a territory claimed by two opposing sides. The only international legally binding document that talks about Kosovo is UNSCR1244, which claims Kosovo as a province of FRY, of which Serbia is the legal successor. To this day, this document is in effect and the majority of the world has not showed any disregard for it. On the other hand, some countries, REALLY influential ones, decided to support Kosovo's bid for independence, and after the Kosovo government declared it (even though that same government... doesn't really govern Kosovo - the UN does, with EULEX taking most of the work off their back) they recognized it. Thus, Kosovo can no longer be called "Serbia's southern province".

Second of all, this isn't an article about Albania! You can't start a sentence with "Albania borders...", it's just absurd. Serbia borders Albania through the disputed territory of Kosovo *footnote* but not according to those who consider Kosovo a separate country. If you'd like it the other way around, you'd really like to confuse the unsuspecting reader, claiming that Serbia borders Kosovo, but also claims that Kosovo is Serbia, therefore it really borders Albania. Sincerely though, either way you'll get a lot of people angry, so take this into consideration - this is an article about Serbia, the UN officially sees the borders of Serbia touching Albania and the majority of world states agree. Makes more sense to say it borders Serbia, emphasize that it's through Kosovo, but say that it's disputed. Nice, clean, clear. I know, the Albanians won't like this. Well, facts are facts, the phrasing is a matter of personal viewpoints - I'd go with "simple" rather than "pro-Albanian" for no reason.. other than it being "pro-Albanian" or "pro-US". --Cinéma C 06:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

What sentence are you proposing to replace the current one? Kenji Yamada (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Serbia has no border with Albania. After the Milosevic plan for Greater Serbia when his Serb militias invaded Kosova and annexed it, he was eventually kicked out by the UN and Nato. After that, Kosova was a UN-zone within Serbia & Montenegro, another country, and before the UN left, Kosova declared it's independence. Kosovoa is also recognized by a large number of world states, and all democratic. I can't help it if non-democratic dictatiorships are opposed to Kosova being free of fascist Serbs. Human Rights Believer (talk) 11:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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