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Arbcom 2010 appointments

1. This year, I am requiring all successful candidates to identify to the WMF or to me personally (but preferably to the WMF) before being seated. This point has been strongly supported by ArbCom and the community. The ArbCom has interpreted this requirement to mean "that people do not gain access to mailing lists nor Checkuser/Oversight until they have identified." I am interpreting it a bit more broadly - you aren't an ArbCom member until you identify.

2. All candidates should contact me at my usual email address (jwales) at the Foundation (wikimedia.org) to give their preferred email address. I will be passing these to Risker, who will be doing the actual additions.

3. I am not appointing anyone who gets less than 50% support. Fortunately, the lowest candidate needed to fill all available seats got 59.9% support, so we are not faced with any issue there.

4. I have asked privately of the ArbCom for any objections - to be expressed either to the ArbCom as a whole, or to me privately if necessary - to any of the top candidates. I have received none. I have also received no particular valid objections to any of the candidates from anyone.

5. Kirill Lokshin, Fritzpoll, Coren, Mailer diablo and Steve Smith are hereby appointed to two year terms expiring 31 December 2011.

6. SirFozzie, Hersfold, KnightLago and Shell Kinney are hereby appointed to one year terms expiring 31 December 2010.

7. In the event of retirements or vacancies for any two year seat (including the seats held by existing ArbCom members), I reserve the right to move any of the 4 one year appointees into a two year seat. Since there was some interest from some members of the community in me appointing all 9 to two year seats, I don't think this will be controversial. As usual, I am not likely to make interim appointments unless there is a strong desire by existing ArbCom members that we replenish in some fashion by having a fresh election, something I don't foresee happening.

Finally, I would like to ask all incoming ArbCom members to review the history of the ArbCom, and in particular to familiarize yourself with some of the worst "political problems" that ArbCom has faced, in the hopes of gaining some wisdom to avoid such issues in the coming year.

Your job is hard. No matter how well you perform your duties, some will say you have been too lenient. Some will say you have been too strict. And some will say that you've been inconsistent or arbitrary. Likewise, some will criticize you for moving too quickly, and others will criticize you for moving too slowly.

Strive to be none of those things, neither too lenient nor too strict, neither too quick nor too slow. And never inconsistent or arbitary. But know that you will face those claims anyway. Face those claims with friendliness and dignity, and all will be fine in the end.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 05:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

• (Timestamp:) Just finished that sonnet ... for Shell Kinney. -- Proofreader77 (talk) 06:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

42+10

{SK.AC.01} ____ At infinite improbability
{SK.AC.02} ____ there's nothing that can't happen. Press engage.
{SK.AC.03} ____ The matrix calculations find the key
{SK.AC.04} ____ to place her, oh so rightly, on the stage.

{SK.AC.05} ____ One year's enough to let her wisdom shine
{SK.AC.06} ____ upon the scales that sometimes lose the light.
{SK.AC.07} ____ (I know the grace her gesture brought to mine.)
{SK.AC.08} ____ The matrix knows her judgement will be right.

{SK.AC.09} ____ The coefficient of her fam'ly brought
{SK.AC.10} ____ a briefer burden — yes, the matrix cares. :-)
{SK.AC.11} ____ Responsibility must not be wrought
{SK.AC.12} ____ by sacrificing too much to affairs.

{SK.AC.13} ____ Of miracles that make this project fly
{SK.AC.14} ____ the one that installed Kinney ranks quite high.

-- Proofreader77 (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The incoming arbitrations should identify to the WMF (not you) before accessing any of the lists, as they contain the private information obtained from the tools which are governed by the WMF privacy policy.

I trust that the mailing list admins will wait until meta:Id is done. John Vandenberg 07:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

1 + 9 = 10?

(re An Appeal by Jimbo Wales) FYI: Inspired by that "10" in the title of the sonnet above (which there means weeks) ... it struck me that at this moment it might be a good time to applaud the project a bit louder ... and add nine more Benjamins for a total of one Grover Cleveland. They don't print those anymore, but I suspect it will work out virtually the same. :-)

NOTE/A STORY OF CREATIVE GIVING:-) The credit card I want to put Grover on is one my bank has just fussed at me about for not using enough and lowered its limit. (No, artists are not all rich. lol) ... And so I am making a special request (in progress) to the bank (which recently ate my previous bank) to allow the 9 to be added to the card ... which I promised them I would pay off slowly so they could profit from this gesture. lol (I kid you not.)

If the bank is Scroogish (I've emailed them that it is for a nonprofit donation), I'll do it another way, but I think the bank should allow it ... If request declined, perhaps an appeal to president of that bank will do the trick. :-) But if even that fails, ah, then the 9 can come in like pieces of eight + 1. Cheers.
-- Proofreader77 03:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

• Update: So far, two levels of customer service at my (big!) bank's credit card department have responded to my appeal to the recent lowering of my card credit line (due to under-usage!) by suggesting I apply for more credit. lol

  My (response) steps:

  1. Paid off all of credit card balance except recent $100 donation to WIKIMEDIAFOUNDATION (You can, too.)
  2. Will deposit $1,000+ in bank today to replenish savings account. :-)
  3. (Taking good notes on all the technical glitches and other infelicities of bank's online interaction system — so I will have something useful to discuss with bank president, should it come to that. ^;^ E.g.: Deleting customers carefully composed messages when clicking "Save draft" is bad. Not reflecting payments in balances, causing customer worry. Bad interactive system. Inappropriate canned response for special case etc.)
  4. When bank's online system finally registers there is only $100 on the card, I will appeal to the 3rd level of customer service to allow me to place the aforementioned additional 9 Benjamins donation to WIKIMEDIAFOUNDATION on the account for a total of 10 Benjamins (1 + 9 = 10)
  5. (Incomplete-prophecy): When the 3rd level of customer service responds with "please apply for more credit" (to my appeal not to lower it in the first place) ...

  (To be continued ... until the 9 joins the 1 donation to WIKIMEDIAFOUNDATION :-)
  -- You can, too. Proofreader77 21:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

A Question For Teh Jimbo

Given the high attrition rate for Arbs, should an interim vacancy or two arise, would you give priority to this election's top runners up?--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) (talk) 12:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

If it were to happen quite soon, I might. But I'm far more inclined to call a special election half-way through the year for any necessary "top-up" seats. However, whatever I might do in such a case, it would only be with the guidance and advice of the sitting ArbCom.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Jimbo, I'm not sure a lot of people are entirely comfortable with the in-house references. Advising the voters that you've asked the sitting arbs for their opinions on the candidates the community gave the thumbs-up to seems like it's giving the arbs a right of veto; there's a clear conflict of interest for them in travelling down that road. The arbs themselves got just one vote in the election, like the rest of us. They are explicitly at arm's distance from the electoral process, which has to be run by the community as a matter of policy—even to the point where I encountered reluctance to provide technical advice to the coordinators out of respect for that arm's distance notion. It doesn't make sense to me that they might trump the electorate they are a part of. Then to read, "unless there is a strong desire by existing ArbCom members ... However, whatever I might do in such a case, it would only be with the guidance and advice of the sitting ArbCom." I'd like to think that the community will have some say, too, in advising on by-elections or policy matters as they evolve.

I'm sorry to be the annoying mosquito, and I want you to know that I really support what you've done with WP. A lot. But that doesn't stop me wanting to see an adjustment WRT ArbCom, which in the larger scheme should not figure strongly on your radar; that much I've picked up from statements you've made here and in speeches over the past few years. Tony (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe you've misunderstood me. In general, the ArbCom has traditionally felt comfortable operating with less than a full complement of members, and I assume that a loss of one or two wouldn't hamper them much. My point is that I would not appoint anyone to fill any vacant seats without ArbCom feeling that it is needed. The idea of ArbCom "vetoing" candidates is an interesting one, but not one that I find particularly worrisome in any way. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. :)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

(Meta-aside: Misplaced Pages/Democracy/SecurePoll) Smelled vaguely like democracy. :-) Pondering: Will there be a community-wide postmortem discussion about this election's process? (Ignore with impunity, but I did donate a hundred bucks yesterday. Note to obsevers: See "Power 101." :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 21:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a postmortem at the moment on the /Feedback page.

Closer to the time of the next election, I (or someone else) will start another RFC to allow us to either revert back to the old election method, or fine tune the SecurePoll system. John Vandenberg 23:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll be interested to follow that discussion. I was happy with this election process, much to my surprise. But I think fine-tuning is always a good idea. :-)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Two replies for the price of one. :-) Many thanks, John and Jimbo. This is the first Arbcom election I've voted in, and I do smile that it is the first by secret ballot. Note: I voted in the last WP:Stewards election, and that was my first time voting for candidates in Misplaced Pages. It takes awhile to know enough to think about that. lol I'm just barely there. Again, my thanks, and happy holidays to all. Proofreader77 (talk) 23:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the AC veto is only for emergencies where the AC—and probably only the AC—know that election would bring the project into disrepute. For example, someone known to stalk other editors, but only the ArbCom (and people who have been stalked) would know. I recall an incident last year when the ArbCom received evidence of a candidate being a serial harasser near the end of November, but as the person was running, the AC couldn't/wouldn't take action on him then, because they needed to run a fair election. I reckon those would be the only cases where the AC would be allowed to veto. Sceptre 18:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the ArbCom ever has the power to veto an ArbCom member. I do, and I would only do so with the advice and consent of the sitting ArbCom, and then only under the most unusual of circumstances (such that I can't quite even think what they might be). One thing that I would stand very strong against is any sort of "political" block on ArbCom membership (whether for reasons of internal or external politics). Part of my role here is as a check/balance against ArbCom itself - this has never been necessary but it is in theory possible that a rogue ArbCom could generate significant outrage in the community, leading to (for example) a poll for their removal en masse, in which case I would listen to that poll carefully. Checks and balances are a good thing, as they ensure that a system can be flexible and robust, that experimentation can happen without fear of things going completely off the rails.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

That's odd. Shouldn't it have been disclosed at the time? It's before my time, as I am new here, so I don't know the details. MajorStovall (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The harassment was an open secret; everyone knew he was doing it, but no-one was doing anything about it. The ArbCom didn't receive the evidence until he had an announced his candidacy. Sceptre 21:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm intrigued. I think I may do some detective work to find out what went on! Thanks, MajorStovall (talk) 22:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

If you figure it out, please email me privately to let me know because I'm curious too. I don't see any reason for drama here in terms of revealing an "open secret" (whatever that means! :-) ) here, but I'm curious.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Done so. Sceptre 02:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm really curious. Come on, I won't be able to sleep until I find out. MajorStovall (talk) 16:16, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

A Two Tier Administration System and division of responsibility is what is required

In fact, it has now become quite clear what the problem is. We have a core of admins and an arbitration committee with overlapping responsibilities, and arguments going on about what their respective jurisdictions are. The admins can issue blocks and freeze pages for the purpose of maintaining law and order on the project. But ARBCOM are concentrating on topic bans and other sanctions. The latter function seems to be exclusively political and not necessary for the maintenance of basic law and order on the project. The situation has been further exacerbated by the fact that some ARBCOM sanctions are like Tudor Ordinances or wartime emergency legislation in that they legislate a full dictatorial power to admins. And some admins adopt ARBCOM powers unilaterally without any opposition from ARBCOM.

What is needed is a clear division of responsibilities. We need a core of admins to control law and order, and we need an Arbitration committee that is totally independent of the core of admins, for the exclusive purpose of monitoring abuses of power by the admins. David Tombe (talk) 07:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Out of order, Mr. Tombe. You are now abusing this public space. Proofreader77 07:33, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Without commenting on the oversight of power abuses, I would agree we need a two tiered admin structure. I will tell you why, I think that the tools should be seperated. I would not alwaysmake the right decisions in blocking but I would like the tools to work with the new article patrols. I could avoid the drama of the blocking part and be able to work on new article patrol only. It would also give us a incremental way of understanding who would use the blocking part of the tools the best. Think about the myriad of editors that don't want to block people just work on new article patrol? Kinda like stepping stones. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

(Out of order)

Perhaps another "learning moment", Hell in A Bucket, -:) the topic is out of order. This is not a freedom of speech issue, and yes, usually one could raise any issue on Jimbo's page that strikes you — but here the issue was raised after an appeal to Jimbo of sanctions by someone who has been sanctioned, appealed, and not gotten the answer they want. At that point, their beginning a discussion about changing the rules/structure on Jimbo's talk page is "out of order."

Responding to such a topic with continuing discussion is inappropriate (out of order).

Note: The topic could have been (usually I would have) reverted or hat/hab collapsed — but I had just responded with a broad suggestion regarding why this was not the time to continue pressing the matter to Mr. Tombe's comment higher on the page which I did not believe he had time to read (and heed the advice: This is not the time, nor the place).
-- Proofreader77 20:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Proofreader77, You are quite wrong. The thread in question was not initiatiated by myself, and I don't recall making an appeal. I entered the thread to make a couple of clarifications of fact. Often the truth carries with it a strong indication of a correct course of action, but I don't think that you will find anything in my edits on this page that amounted to an appeal, as such. And you are in no position whatsoever to come here and decide what is, or is not, out of order. A perfectly legitimate suggestion has been raised. Hell in a Bucket has added his comments, and there is no need to have you hanging around trying to silence the two of us. The suggestion for a two tier administration is a matter of general interest to many wikipedia users. We need two independent groups, of which an arbitration committe will get into the habbit of assessing appeals objectively. David Tombe (talk) 02:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Re Mr. Tombe's 906 + 158 = 1064 words (How about $1/word donation?)

Regarding Mr. Tombe's previous (now archived) 906 words, I was being charitable ;-) in referring to them as "an appeal."

Speaking of charitable, perhaps Mr. Tombe' would be willing to donate $1/word to the current fundraising drive (which would more than match my own pledge of $1,000).

As for policy proposals, this is, as previously mentioned, the wrong place. And, while still the wrong time (given the givens), the right place to start might be WP:Village pump (policy).
-- Proofreader77 04:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it is out of order, please Proofreader, let David Tombe to leave his message in peace. Prodego 06:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

It is out of order in the context of all that has come before, including the response of others to the previous discussion now in archive, honorable Prodego. Surely Mr. Wale's talk page is not to become the home for such a discussion in any case, as I'm sure you are aware.

But while you're here, perhaps you will add an additional denomination to the current fundraising drive. Benjamin, Cleveland, ... The symbolism of James Madison would certainly be inspiring to us all. .-:)
-- Proofreader77 06:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the point is he is hoping he will be able to ascertain Jimbo's opinion on the matter...Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Proofreader77, I didn't start the threads which you are referring to. Those threads were about policy, and specific examples were used that involved my own recent case at ARBCOM. I entered the second thread to put a few facts straight. Jimbo replied with a reply that indicated that if an appeal were made, he would not oblige. But that is hardly surprising. Jimbo, on his own admission, has found himself in the role of the British monarch in relation to his own creation. And we all know that the British monarch hasn't exercised his/her power to refuse assent to parliamentary legislation since the year 1708, in the reign of Queen Anne. For Jimbo to overturn an ARBCOM decision on such a scale would be an unprecedented upheaval of the current system of things. I would have been very surprised if Jimbo had suddenly said 'OK. This ARBCOM case was totally out of order, I hereby make it null and void'. And that's all the more reason why we need a strong new-style pro-active arbitration committee for the sole purpose of monitoring administrative abuses. You seem to think that because I have a personal vested interest in this matter, that I have therefore relinquished my right to comment on these matters when raised by other editors. This is where you are quite wrong. And as a matter of interest, you also have a personal interest in these matters. I note on your user page that you claim to have voted for jehochman in the ARBCOM elections. So you are not without prejudice yourself in this regard. You clearly have a vested interest in opposing comments which are contrary to jehochman's interests. Just like Crum, Fram, and Viridae on the first thread, you are trying to divert the real issue away to my own personal case, and then rule it to be off-topic. David Tombe (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I've reminded Proofreader he doesn't OWN Jimbo's page. He disagrees.] To put it bluntly and explicitly as good faith is wearing out at this point. This isn't your page, it isn't your job to regulate things that are posted here unless they fail outside of Wikpedia policy. Jimbo has final say on anything here and he has not explicitly told him to not post here. A suggestion was made to return when he was less angry, that's end period point blank the end. Please stop. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Proofreader77 08:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Completely lost

OK, this is probably completely the wrong place to be but in 45 minutes of searching it is the first place I can actually post a comment. The last thing I want is to conceal my internet address.

I looked up the (British) NHS (National Health Service) for a book chapter I am writing. I found a number of significant sound clips but clicking on any one of them brought up the message "this is not available in your area". We are talking about items that are 60 years old and so out of copyright. So what gives? Can anyone give me an answer?

OK, I have really low expectations of getting a reply.

I've moved this to the Help Desk.  Skomorokh  11:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Crafty (talk) 03:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Twitter

Hiya Jimbo, Just wondering if is in fact you? There seems to be a few accounts like that, and of course the owner of the account "Yes, I'm the real me" - just wondering :) — Deon 05:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that one is me. is also me, but as it warns, I don't use it. I hear that I can get twitter to verify me and kick people off of squatted names, but I haven't researched the details yet.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This is the place to request verified account status. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Opinion

Hey Jimbo, I just wanted to ask you a question regarding this matter I discussed. I issued a requested move to change the title of the United States page to United States of America. Although I lost, I have to ask you what you personally think the title of the article should be.

Here's the link to the talk page and to the article.--Valkyrie Red 18:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyrie Red (talk • contribs)