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WP:VILLAGE

Where did you get my first name? You don't appear to be an administrator (or else I'd be trying to get you desysopped), so where are you getting it from? Have the "cheerleader vandals" been spreading it around in another one of those annoying chain letters? Are you one of those cheerleader vandals? Are you looking me up on some social networking site? Haven't you heard of WP:OUTING? I have never posted my name here to my knowledge as this place gets rather controversial at times, and it's none of these malicious users' business who I am; an approximation should suffice. PCHS-NJROTC 22:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I do not know your first name. Or your last name. That should probably answer the rest of your somewhat odd questions. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

You wrote "DAVID EATS POOP LOL PORT CHARLOTTE PIRATES SUCK," basically saying what if this happened. It would just be too much of an coincidence for that to have been just a random name you threw in there. There's only been two other people on here to be able to figure out my real life name, both being User:LBHS Cheerleader vandals, one being recent, and one being quite a while back, both being oversighted. Now I have to wonder if you're a sockpuppet of the Cricket Communications IP LBHS meatpuppet because of your views on abuse reports, wiki vandalism not being a problem compared to other forms of abuse, and of course, because you know my name. I almost feel inclined to take this to WP:SSP, but I'd like to get a statement from you first. Are you a puppet master? PCHS-NJROTC 01:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I've already left this message on your talk page, but I'm going to repeat it here for the benefit of my surprisingly large number of talk page watchers: I do not know your name. I choose a name at random for an example of simple vandalism in our discussion. I gather the name happens to be your actual first name. It is a very common male name in North America and the UK. You didn't comment on whether or not you also EAT POOP, so I'll assume that part wasn't as coincidentally accurate. Frankly, your reaction to this makes you seem a little unhinged, but feel free to ask for oversight and start an SPI case. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Floquenbeam steps in

My sincere apologies for deleting something from your talk page, DC, but if PCHS-NJROTC is serious about oversighting, the material should be removed from the page beofre intervening edits are made. I'll explain more in a sec, just wanted to get this done. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Oversighting removes an entire version, so if more people wrote to your talk page before an oversighter showed up, their edits would have to be removed as well. You've each read each others comments, so I hope breaking the taboo of deleting comments from someone else's talk page isn't too big a deal. If it is, please let me know before re-adding them. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Since PCHS-NJROTC doesn't seem to be pursuing oversight, I'm going to restore the comments so that I can respond here. This is me letting you know. I understand why you did what you did and I am ok with it, but I suggest that it was not your action to take, especially considering the particulars here. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave that up to you and him; if he's not going to pursue oversighting, then I've no particular standing here, and my request that you talk to me first is null and void. But I really recommend at least not re-adding the comment in all caps back (you could easily make it "MARK" and "CENTRAL HIGH RANGERS" or something), now that you know it bothers him. I would anticipate there are many people here who would consider restoring those comments disruptive, or outing, or something, whether he pursues oversighting or not. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe the correct response at this point is for me to ask how you knew my name was MARK, accuse you of "outing" me, ask if you are the sockpuppet of someone, threaten to start an SPI case, and make cryptic references to implausible chain letters. And of course ask an oversighter to permanently remove your innocent comment. I'm sorry that PCHS-NJROTC is upset by this episode, but they do seem to be easily upset so I'm sure it happens a lot. My intention was only to restore the comments here so that I can respond, but because of your message I'm thinking of restoring all of them so that we can get this out in the open and fully resolved. Incidentally, what "standing" did you think you had here at all? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, if your name isn't Mark, that would be dishonest. If it is Mark, then it would be an unproductive overreaction; you really should just quietly request oversight. Hopefully, in that case, someone would come along and try to help guide you through how to do that, if that's what you chose to do. I've explained my actions, and given my opinion, FWIW. Do what you think best. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I think "an unproductive overreaction" is a fair way to characterize PCHS-NJROTC's actions in this, especially after I clearly stated that I did not know their name and could not have deliberately outed them. Thank you for attempting to guide them through this, but your however well-intentioned you were, your actions probably should have stopped there. You took it upon yourself to remove my comments and comments made by others on my talk page. I was ok to let that slide but then you claimed to have some sort of "standing" in this matter. Your word - what did you mean by it? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

If it helps clarify things, then in my comment above, replace "...then I've no particular standing here, and my..." with "...then, since I've no particular standing here, my...". My intent was to emphasize that I'm in no particular position to tell you what to do. Last night, I asked you to talk to me first because I wanted the opportunity to explain once more why restoring comments that were potentially going to be oversighted was a big deal. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The "Cricket Communications LBHS Meatpuppet" puts his dos centavos in

First, let me say that I am not a member of any "cheerleader cabal" out to get Mr.NJROTC... I doubt there really is any conspiracy other than in his little self-important mind. Most of the people who he thinks are cheerleaders out to get him were probably small-time vandals who were caught in Mr. NJROTC's little witch hunt to eradicate any form of evil from wikipedia. Ironically, he is the sort of editor who, by his actions, turns small-time vandals into "WoW's" or "Mr. Pelican Sh*t's" For him, it's all about his quest to become an admin, because PCHS-NJROTC is all about power. That's why he spends all his time on little crusades instead of trying to build an encyclopedia. Look through his user contributions- he has contributed almost nothing to article space, probably because he lacks the expertise in any area to contribute. But what he lacks in cerebral aptitude, he makes up for in zeal by being an Elmer Gantry-like character. Ironically, his chanches of a successful RFA are about as likely as him waking up one morning to six inches of snow outside his Charlotte County double wide trailer. And that's a good thing because as an admin, he'd be the biggest wiki-embarassment since User:Essjay. It is really sad that he has to attempt to discredit a user who actually has contributed to wikiepedia in every way like User:Delicious carbuncle (compare his contributions to User:PCHS-NJROTC and see what a difference there is between the two), in order to look like some sort of friggin' martyr. I actually used to be very active user to wikipedia until this place got taken over by jerks like PCHS-NJROTC. 69.171.160.241 (talk) 08:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for providing your perspective on this. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, play nice, don't scold Mr. Cricket for a personal attack... Notice that I did not jump in immediately to get you range blocked or tagged as a sockpuppet, I merely asked you if you are indeed a sockpuppet/meatpuppet at first, and then when you vandalized Lemon Bay High School, you ended up either in the wrong place at the wrong time, or you were caught red handed. Also, I'm not trying to discredit DC, I just found it unusual that he wrote my real life name (apparently in coincidence, and I'm believeing him on this one because it's AGF). I did not persue any kind of action against DC; I did not request sockpuppet investigation or post anything at AN/I. Your claim that it's all about adminship is wrong; I could honestly care less about adminship at this point. What is so special about adminship? It would be neat, but it's not my whole entire world. I will run for RfA again when I feel I am ready. What you're doing is abuse, and Cricket you should pray that I don't have to seriously go to the cops to get your service cut; I would rather it be handled informally outside of the legal system, but if you continue to be disruptive, I'm going to have to do something. DC, note that I'm not the only one that Cricket is harassing. He's just taking advantage of the situation. You shouldn't associate yourself with the troll. PCHS-NJROTC 04:28, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Please don't bring this dispute here. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I wish it were that simple. Sadly, people are ignoring our requests not to be contacted on our talk pages. It's a nasty thing when one goes out like a super hero to get someone in trouble on Wiki, believe me; I learned that when I first got here which is why I personally try to avoid creating these kind of messes. "Thanks for providing your perspective on this" towards a blatant troll and then you go on a man hunt after an established user who only tries to help the project? Do you even know what that IP person has been doing? He called another user a "flaming homosexual," and he called me an "rotc dork." Did you completely miss the personal attack nature of his comments, basically calling me "trailor trash?" (and no, I do not live in a trailor or anything that resembles a trailor, nor am I a welfare bum, free lunch person, etc). Is that the kind of person you want to go on man hunts on behalf? Would you have even gotten involved in the LBHS case if it weren't for Mr. Cricket? Don't lie to me now. This person is probably banned for some pretty nasty issues just based on his modus operandi as an IP, and you're basically unintentionally, yet effectively meatpuppeting on his behalf. He's taking advantage of you, and probably laughing at us both. Seriously, if you think I've ever overstepped with any of the trolls I've ever dealt with, look in the mirror. You, if anybody, my fellow Wikipedian who I realise thinks you're doing the right thing, are being a "martyr" as Mr. Cricket accuses me of being. I'm trying to keep my cool here so we don't both get blocked, banned from contacting each other, and/or banned from AN/I, you should really try it yourself. Scandal related issues aside, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. PCHS-NJROTC 05:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The thread I started at ANI relates to your actions, not my actions, or our interactions. You seem to have the mistaken impression that I am angry with you or pursuing this on behalf of someone else. Both of those assumptions are wrong. I'm not interested in your disputes with IPs. If you can't leave brief, sensible messages here, I will just delete them without reading them. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm done arguing

Hello Delicious carbuncle, User:PCHS-NJROTC has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! PCHS-NJROTC 03:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Cut that out.

IF you're going to play "resurrect the zombie thread" at ANI, at least take it out of the archive, or mention that it's not archived. It looks like really bad form to bring a thread back like that, not to mention editwarring with other people. SirFozzie (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I did take it out of the archive, but I always enjoy an unnecessary admonishment. Perhaps you'd like to take a look at the unresolved thread and offer an opinion? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts are the same as others in that discussion, yes, he got it wrong. However, he apologized, promised not to do it again, and I think it should die there. SirFozzie (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Your reading of that discussion seems to assume things that aren't present. It may be helpful if you could make at least a brief statement (at ANI, not here) which clearly says that this action was wrong. I'm not looking anyone to be punished but I do believe that PCHS-NJROTC should stay away from vandal-hunting and contacting ISPs since they seem to lack the critical reasoning skills and maturity required. For PCHS-NJROTC's sake, I'd like to see the issue closed, but I'm not willing just to let this slide into the archive without actually directly addressing the issue. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

DC, what I want is simple; both of us to come out of this with our reputations here unharmed where harm will benefit no one. The more this continues, the more people look down upon both of us in my opinion; people are leaving negative feedback for both of us as this continues. I see nothing to be gained from the persistance of this thread. PCHS-NJROTC 19:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Sephiroth storm (talk) 00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Sephiroth storm (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Response to your obsession on getting me topic banned

No, we did not ever actually decided on an end action; it seems consensus is WP:AGF. Being a bit too bold where discussion should have taken place first isn't always the best idea, but neither is assuming bad faith. I'm not saying that LBHSC was not in fact de facto banned, nor am I saying that she shouldn't have, but I am saying that it was a mistake to try to disassociate LBHSC from Bobabobabo without first discussing. I've admitted to being "wrong" in that particular incident (just the failure to discuss, not anything else to do with the LBHSC case); now it's time for you, DC, to admit to being wrong for assuming bad faith, refusing to accept peaceful resolution, and essentially bullying me around because you disagree with some of my actions. PCHS-NJROTC 22:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

This isn't something that we can negotiate between ourselves. I believe you dissembled during our original discussion about this and during the ANI discussion. You are still unwilling to take responsibility for your actions. I wouldn't expect you to understand why I am calling for a topic ban, but please understand that this is not a personal matter. It would probably be best if you simply stopped posting on my talk page. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

• You two need to disengage from one another. This endless ANI drama is not productive. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Read the diffs. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Its time to let this drop...really. You've yet to find another editor who agrees with your position and you've had quite a few outside editors weigh in; its very unlikely that further discussion or repetition of the same points is going to change that. I understand that you feel a concern here, but at some point you have to step back, notice that no one else is concerned, shrug and move on. Shell 04:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I will shrug and move on at some point, but I'm not at that point yet. I'm sure there are plenty of editors who would agree with my position if they actually took the time to look at it. Of course, it's difficult if non-admin editors like Ryulong and Neutralhomer archive discussions before many people have a chance to see them. The earlier fiasco of a discussion could have been very brief and to the point if an admin or two had stepped in to say something as profoundly difficult as "editors should not unilaterally declare other editors to be banned", but for reasons which are very puzzling to me, no one did. Sir Fozzie siad here on my talk page "My thoughts are the same as others in that discussion, yes, he got it wrong" so I don't know why you think no one agreed with my position. Sir Fozzie declined my suggestion to post that at ANI. Any idea why, Shell? Do me a favour, read this diff and tell me the ban discussion is inappropriate. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

You missed the part where Sir Fozzie also said "it should die there". The editor is not going to be sanctioned over this incident, there is absolutely no consensus even heading in that direction. Your continued re-opening of the threads and push for some sanctions is getting disruptive. Shell 01:16, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

ANI

While your opinion is most entertaining, it doesn't sway me in the least. You are looking for drama, Ryulong closed and archived your "yanked from Archives" thread and you start a new one. Give it up, Dude. Please don't post on my talk page anymore and leave the thread archived. If an admin disagrees with me, they will move it back. DO NOT EDIT WAR. Thank you. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 23:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

• Let me make this as clear as I can. If you unarchive the "ban" discussion for User:PCHS-NJROTC, I will bring harrassment and disruption charges against you via ANI. You are disrupting the ANI process and harrassing User:PCHS-NJROTC. If you start any thread on AN, ANI or any board, I will also bring those charges of harrassment and disruption against you via ANI. You have been warned by several editors and many admin that your discussions are going nowhere and to stop. The next thing that happens is you going before ANI and a potential block for yourself, not User:PCHS-NJROTC. STOP NOW. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 01:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm truly sorry I wasn't around to undo your premature archiving of that thread. I suspect that some of the more level-headed editors were on holiday and so neither saw nor participated in the discussion for that reason. I will be opening a new discussion on the issue shortly, so if you intend to disrupt that discussion as well, why don't you just go ahead and file whatever it is you are threatening to file now. I will start the new ban discussion after you are blocked yet again. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You start it, I will archive it. Then I will open my request to see you banned for harrassment and continous and blatant disruption. Your previous attempts have failed, this one will fail. Even without me doing a damned thing, you are likely to get blocked for trying the community's patience. So, why not give up while you are ahead, eh? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 00:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

If I'm likely to get blocked without you doing anything, why is it so important to you to disrupt discussions that I start? Just so I'm clear on this - you are saying that you intend to archive any thread I start at AN or ANI or just ones about PCHS-NJROTC? What if I start an unrelated thread? Or one about you and the threats you are making here? Although it won't change my actions, I'd like to know which it is just out of curiosity. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

No, not any thread, just ones about PCHS-NJROTC. Now, if PCHS-NJROTC says something really rude and crude to you, then I could understand your posting a thread. But for the same thing over and over and over and over when people have told you to let it go, even after reading the "evidence" you say proves your point, that is what upsets me. That is what I consider disruptive and harrassment. Stop that behavior and I go away. That is all I ask. Leave PCHS-NJROTC alone and I will leave you alone. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 03:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't negotiate with terrorists. I think it would be best if you stop posting threats here. Please don't post here again, except to alert me to discussions you start about me on AN or ANI. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You ask for my reponse, then tell me to go away. Odd. When you post your new little thread, I will post mine. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You gave your response, now please go away. And stay away. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 05:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Nah. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I was really only asking to be polite. I think you recall what happened the last time you couldn't stop posting here. Take the hint. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 06:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delicious carbuncle, it looks like NeutralHomer will agree to avoid your talk page if you'll agree to avoid his (which I'm guessing won't be too difficult). Would that be all right with you? Shell 06:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure. I am a rational and intelligent adult, despite the impression you may get from the discussions that happen here. ;) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 07:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for the quick response. Shell 07:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Incidentally, Shell, take a look at the history of my talk page from September of this year. This isn't the first time Neutralhomer has had difficulty disengaging. They ended up being blocked for 3RR and declaring themselves "retired", so it didn't go anywhere at that time, but Neutralhomer clearly has an issue with me that is not related to PCHS-NJROTC. Just so you are clear on what is going on here. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 08:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe I recall the earlier discussions (some ended up on ANI, right?). In any case, hopefully this is a chance for disengagement. Shell 08:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Ryulong offers some helpful life coaching

There is a point where normal people would stop and move on. I really doubt that anything useful to either side will come about from the dispute. Be the better man and just find something to do that is not suggest that PCHS-NJROTC be banned.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

It isn't for you to decide what the result of discussion will be. Leave it alone. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm an outside observer who is seeing that nothing good will come out of stretching this shit out any longer.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 13:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Then stick to observing. You've offered your advice, suggested that I'm not "normal", and told me to be a better "man" - now move along and let things go wherever they go. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Let it rest D.c. It's time to move forward. There's plenty of other work that needs to be done, and I respect that you've taken on many sticky problems and gotten problems addressed. Don't get overly caught up in one dispute. But this is just my perspective, so feel free to disregard. Happy New Year Delicious carbuncle. I hope it's a great one for you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:30, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks CofM, and the same to you. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)