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Bill Thompson

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING UNCONSTRUCTIVE EDITS AND DELETIONS AS YOU DID TO Bill Thompson (New York)! Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.241.148.82 (talk) 14:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

July 28 Edits

Please stop trying to hide the fact that Bill Thompson is the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for New York City mayor by placing this information, the most important information of Thompson's political career at the end of the first paragraph when it should be placed in the first sentence and before the Working Families Party endorsement. If you switch this again it will be regarded as vandalism. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.241.148.82 (talk) 14:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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LP side formatting

Hi there. Please note the guidelines for how to list LP sides at WP:ALBUM#Track listing. In short, you should use ===Side one=== not '''Side One'''. Have a nice day. --PEJL 15:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, PEJL! I've gathered from your reformats of my edits.;)Cloonmore 15:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Also note the difference in capitalization, per WP:MOSHEAD#Capitalization. --PEJL 16:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oops, missed that. Wiki guidelines are pretty anal, but I get it. Thx! Cloonmore 16:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Van Morrison songs

Hi, you left a question on the talk pages of some Van Morrison songs about their notability. "Stranded" was featured in the Van Morrison albums Still on Top - The Greatest Hits and The Best of Van Morrison Volume 3. This was noted on the page but was quite unclear, so I made the section "Appearence on other albums". "Back on Top" was also featured on both these compilation albums, this surely makes them notable as they're his greatest hits? For the other Van Morrison songs I'll try and find references to back them up. Kitchen roll (talk) 11:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I think "Behind the Ritual" is also notable from the info in "Critical Reception". Kitchen roll (talk) 11:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe Stranded (Van Morrison song) was a single, but info on Van singles after 2003 is quite hard to find, (because there aren't any reliable discographys written after that time). I'll try and find some reviews to see if they have any relevant info on the song. Kitchen roll (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any info on it at the moment. I'll have to ask Agadant about it. Have you seen some of the Bob Dylan song articles? I think someone should sort some of them out - the amount of fans he has! I'll try and find as much info on VM songs as possible, I really think songs like "Domino (Van Morrison song)" and "Wild Night" deserve to be expanded as well, I've been meaning to do them for ages. Kitchen roll (talk) 17:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw the same sort of thing on Highway 61 Revisited. I thought that would be a good idea, but info on Van songs is much harder to come by. Probably the only Van albums you could do that on would be Moondance, Astral Weeks or maybe Saint Dominic's Preview. I've been trying to improve His Band and the Street Choir and the info is really hard to find. The problem is everyone's written biographies for Dylan, and there are only a few slightly unhelpful ones for Van. Most of the Dylan songs aren't referenced and don't seem relevent, they just list about 50 covers. A lot of his song articles are stubs, which to me it makes seem unworthy. Oh, by the way sorry about putting the extra links to instruments back on Tupelo Honey, I hadn't realized that they'd been taken off recently. Kitchen roll (talk) 20:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I suppose putting the songs into the album articles wouldn't be a bad idea. I think we have to talk this through with Agadant, as she wrote most of the articles in question and might have a strong view either way. I think singles that have cover art should stay, because this is the only site where it's easy to find the art together. Kitchen roll (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

T.B. Sheets (song)

Just wanted to say I removed the quotation by Michael Ochs from the article about Van watching the girl he lived with dying of T.B. because this is just one of the many stories concerning this tragic sounding song. None have any basis for fact according to the biographies and his known life circumstances up to that time. He's never spoken about where he got the idea for the song as far as I have seen (except to say it was total fiction} but it was to some extent influenced by old blues songs about T.B. Agadant (talk) 03:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Take another crack at revising? What do you mean? I really don't believe in putting speculation and hearsay into an article for the sake of the story. Do you know what I mean? I think it should be removed. Just as you said you didn't like the story that was put in Astral Weeks and I agreed with you, well I think this story is just sensation for the sake of it and nothing will ever be proven so why bother discussing who said what and who denied it. Useless in my estimation. Sorry, I just don't see the point. Agadant (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

T.B. Sheets E.P.

If you want to make an article for all of the various albums associated with Bangs Van Morrison sessions, that's fine. But they have nothing to do with him. He didn't authorize, never received royalties etc. This T.B. Sheets EP was one of many that have been released from recordings during the short period of time Van Morrison spent with Bang. The only one he was associated with was Blowin' Your Mind! There have been many releases since then. His discography would be 96,000 bytes if they were all listed on it. Agadant (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

You should quit

Your POV is showing. This is irrational. The path to you doing this is there for all to see. It's kin to vandalism. Agadant (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Now I'll try to talk reason to you. Everyone of those songs had references from 3rd parties, etc.. They are as notable as almost any songs with song articles by other major singer-song-writers as example; Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Neil Young and so on. The articles are much more complete than many others. This is a complete waste of our time as editors and is destructive to Misplaced Pages. We could all be working on articles as I have been doing: Le Mobile and as Kitchen roll has been doing also on Bobby Tench. I suggest you take a cool down period. Agadant (talk) 00:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

This criteria has been met on the song articles : —There is not a valid reason for you to be putting the citation tag on them. Please stop!!!! Agadant (talk) 10:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you turning into a vandalism editor? It's Christmastime, what is the matter with you stirring up trouble like this? These songs are perfectly fine and there is no and I repeat no good reason why you should now object to their notability. I did not answer you before because I knew you would cause havoc...PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!! Agadant (talk) 02:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I was just perusing the recent changes and noted this edit war. What is the notability issue here? Happy Holidays, SERSeanCrane (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Cloonmore please stop what you're doing you are wasting your time and more importantly the time of others, who actually want to do something with themselves on wikipedia. I feel offended by you and those like you.Kitchen roll (talk) 13:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Reply

I'm sorry if it appeared as though I lashed out at you - I was worked up and was meaning to do other things instead. I have changed my mind from before, I've been meaning to write song sections in some of the song sections on the album articles, as well as expanding the song ones, because if they have their own articles they're more specific. I hadn't understood what you meant by not notable, and I'm not sure Agadant did - I suppose you could have been a bit clearer on that, but it doesn't matter if your intentions were good. I've removed my thoughtless comment on talk:Van Morrison discography, as I hadn't found out all the facts before I wrote it. I just want everyone to get along on wiki, and not being able to tell what people's motives are doesn't help people do that. I'll try and improve the song articles under question - although most Bob Dylan album and song articles don't cite many, or any sources either, and you said they were OK, why is that? Have a happy christmas anyway. Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 12:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

All a misunderstanding then. I've started to do what you suggested for the Van albums His Band and the Street Choir and Moondance and referenced the info.. But some Dylan song articles really need rethinking compared to Morrison's, maybe someone should start improving or deleting them as well - songs articles like "All the Tired Horses", seem to have been left alone for a year or two. Thanks again. I'll look for more info. on the songs Kitchen roll (talk) 13:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

All the Tired Horses

Just a thought, but instead of putting all these tags on articles, wouldn't the work get done more quickly, and much better, if you improved the article yourself? You have biographies on Dylan and Morrison don't you, so wouldn't it be easier to help write these articles, instead of wasting time getting into an edit war? As I say, just a thought. Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 16:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, but I'm sure you could still contribute to some of the Van songs in question. Your edit on TB Sheets: shows you have the John Collis biography. There's quite a lot of info. on some Van songs in that book (or maybe in others that you might own) and you could help me and user:Agadant (or user:Agadant and I. I can never remember which one to use) improve some of the articles you questioned. I can improve some of Van's song articles much more now, after I got the Van biography Van Morrison: The Mystic's Music for Christmas. I didn't even know that one existed until yesterday - there's some really good stuff in there. Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

(This was written before I read your second comment) Kitchen roll (talk) 17:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How did you get hold of the information from that book then, if you don't own it? Can you please make a list, on my talk page, of all the Van songs you don't think are notable at the moment and then I can see what I can do to improve them? You questioned the notability of "Behind the Ritual", a song article that I believe is written well, with info. that makes it notable. Why do you think it isn't? (just out of curiosity) Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 12:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, these are the articles you questioned the notability of:

Notability of Van songs

These are some of the Van song articles that you questioned the notability of. I've also added a few that I think aren't that notable. If you think they are notable now, can you remove them from the list, so I know which ones need a lot of improvement.

Songs I improved recently. Are they notable now?

• "In the Garden (Van Morrison song)" section classing it as a significant song in Morrison's eighties career.
• "Orangefield (song)" section comparing the song to songs off Astral Weeks
• "Enlightenment (Van Morrison song)"
• "The Healing Game (song)" Added chart number the single achieved.

Songs that I think are already notable, with reason why

• "Choppin' Wood" The paragraph about Van's dad shows the significance of the song.
• "Back on Top (song)" charted at #63. Reviewer compared the song to "Moondance"
• "Why Must I Always Explain?" One of the best written Van song articles in my opinion. I think the song meaning and critical analysis sections make it notable.

Articles that I think need improvement

• "Streets of Arklow"
• "Did Ye Get Healed?"
• "Stranded (Van Morrison song)"
• "Perfect Fit (song)"
• "These Are the Days (song)"

Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Kudos

Good work on Cardinal O'Conner's article. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 15:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It was such a shabby piece for so long, and such a figure as he deserves a better write-up. Still needs work, though! Cloonmore (talk) 04:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Your concerns

I agree with you that it was unfair to leave those remarks but I didn't know whether to remove the complete discussion. So I left the charges against me (as the editor who reverted him) and my defense of myself. I originally, as usual was only minding my own business and trying to follow the rules of Misplaced Pages and not allow editors to make unsourced edits to an article that is pretty clean and might soon be put up for a GA article rating. Thanks for your concern. I think removal of all is the best course. Therefore no one is left to look bad. Agadant (talk) 02:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

HBATSC

Could you be a cook by profession perhaps, Cloonmore? As I notice how much you like to "stir the pot" Just a little humor for a change. I was thinking some of your editing was a nice touch; hopefully you won't take a compliment too seriously. Agadant (talk) 03:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC) be

If the vandals weren't controlled it could all disappear tomorrow. I'll never understand their mindset...I was hoping because of the Bruce Springsteen article being vandalized during the Super Bowl that there would be a policy change on who can edit unchecked but I guess not. (I think we may all take Misplaced Pages so seriously because it's our personal and unpaid free time we use up when we edit.) Agadant (talk) 03:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

VM

So here we go again. Why should you revert my edit when the Bob Dylan reference is out of place and contributes nothing to the sentence? Am I wrongfully assuming that you want me to revert you and then you can cause an edit war again? The BD referral means absolutely nothing here but someone's attempt to plug Bob Dylan on this article. And it is unreferenced. Agadant (talk) 03:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Cardinal O'Connor

The part about Cardinal O'Connor and his relationship with activists from the gay community is a bit too long, it seems. It should perhaps be trimmed down so that it doesn't become a screed or an attack article. I suggested putting some of the material in homosexuality and Roman Catholicism, but you did not agree with this. I also transfered the part about AIDS into a new article called religion and AIDS, which I am currently working on. ADM (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Feminists for Life

Please stop re-arranging the FFL article to suit your conception that corralling criticism into one section is better. Best reader comprehension calls for integration of criticism with the things that are being criticized. At WP:CRITS, they make it plain that "that the information should be properly incorporated throughout the article" and that criticism sections "are a symptom of bad writing." You appear to be making the article less well written.

As well, we are still in discussion about the article at Talk:Feminists for Life#Neutrality. Taking off by yourself and refactoring the article without discussion is not good faith. Binksternet (talk) 03:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Feminists for Life. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Do not insist on adding quotes with no context. This is an encyclopedia which optimally tells a story, not a promotional brochure offering platitudes to mislead the masses. Binksternet (talk) 22:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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