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Hi Benjiboi, I from the above article as it was pointed out that they were almost verbatim copies from the tv.com article of the same name. ] and all that ... - ] <sup>]</sup> 20:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see tv.com as a ref and don't see anyone pointing out any copyvio concerns but do appreciate you pointing out an issue exists with theose two sentences. I was restoring an entire paragraph and had no reason to believe there was an issue but will keep my eyes open if there is concern more is being added. ] 23:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: . Anyways - if you're restoring text that has been previously removed - whether it's by an anon editor or an established account - ''please'' check to make sure it's not a copyright violation. Also, check the sources, as ] is user-generated content and isn't much of a ]. Also, when the issue of copyvio came up before on your talk page, you repeatedly and refused to discuss the matter. As you are doing again here - ] <sup>]</sup> 02:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Agreed. Poor form. ++]: ]/] 02:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
=== Copyright concern === | |||
Hi, your edit to Chris Colfer appears to be copied from . Aside from the copyright and plagiarism concern, I'm troubled in that this is not the first time that there has been a copyright or plagiarism issue with you. ] (]) 20:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Interesting, I don't think I have seen that page or if I did, didn't take much stock in citing it - not sure how reliable it is or even worth using - but I certainly wouldn't have bothered copyvio when simply quoting would have sufficed. As for this being a recurring issue well that indeed seems like a generous helping of bad faith and my track record rather disputes the assertion this is some problem that you helpfully pointing out warrants. Likely it would help to simply point out any problems or potential copyvio issues in order to fix them. Accusing editors of purposely bring harm in such a manner is rather serious so I'll take this as a cue as to where you spend your time offsite rather than much else. ] 23:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: Unfortunately, this is part of a general pattern. For example, back in September you made and edit. The first edit is copy and pasted sentences from the reference you give in the second. You wrote "Seaman ] was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on ]. A sailor accused of murdering him committed suicide in the base brig a week later. Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay; the Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." In the original, one sentence is "Seaman August Provost on July 23, one week after Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton." The first sentence is "A sailor accused of murdering a fellow seaman on duty at Camp Pendleton committed suicide in the base brig." The sentence "Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was an admitted homosexual. The Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." only differs from your writing in that "admitted homosexual." has been changed to "openly gay;". This is not a good situation. ] (]) 00:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I never mentioned Misplaced Pages Review as your edit summary suggests but within 49,000+ edits that I have made some mistakes is less indicative of a pattern than myself being human. The issue was on Chris Colfer, I'm not even sure if I had added that content in the first place but indeed I did re-add it however I had no reason to believe it was copyvio. I am glad you have so much energy to dig up issues that are largely resolved though - we need people to constantly assume bad faith on editors. It helps morale and generally makes for a better collegial environment. (Please note the preceeding was sarcasm). ] 00:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::: For someone who is making noise about assuming good faith, I'm a bit surprised by your apparently disingenuous behavior. Referring to "where you spend your time offsite rather than much else" seems like some sort of claim about WR. Frankly, if it isn't then I'm at a loss as to what you meant. This isn't an issue in any event of whether or not you are deliberately adding copyvios. The problem is that a clear pattern exists whether or not they are deliberate. FYI, the next step is ANI. ] (]) 00:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
I agree with JoshuaZ. We need a clear statement that you are going to be more careful going forward and a cessation of snarky edit summaries. Brushing this under the rug won't make it go away. You seem to have some disturbing behavior patterns that you need to work on. ++]: ]/] 02:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Formatting refsclick edit to see... Note - access date format 2008-06-16 Living Memory LGBT History Timeline from Trans perspectiveLGBT Random PictureStarting draft pageUser:Benjiboi/LGBT image quest for current pile. LGBT Random Picture for user pagesUse {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} or alternatively <center>{{Portal:LGBT/Pics}}</center> if you want it centered on userspace.Benjiboi
"Chicken and Bulls" Extortion ScamSee this. Seems worthy of an article but loads of research, possibly userfy and build. Benjiboi User:Benjiboi/Dykes On BikesCompare to current and clean-off what is used already. Benjiboi Bear (gay slang)Maybe you can do something with this. I looked at it and tried to figure out how to incorporate it but it was too confusing for me. Of note is that the line is manufactured by American Apparel. ALLSTARecho
Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) - Gays and YouTube
James KilfedderCloseted homophobe or severely misunderstood? See also: Peter Tatchell § OutRage.21
Possible ref for transgender history in the PolkThe original queer district: A brief history of the Polk's queer cred by J. PLASTER; August 29, 2007 Bay Guardian]. Banjeboi twink
Fantastic Easter SpecialAbout 12-15 refs needed to address OR concerns. Banjeboi for ball culture and Willi Ninja
transgendered --> trangender_trangender">All WP (portals, categories, etc. ) done except 100-250 links in articles. Start here. Banjeboi
Lesbian Avengersadd infobox. Banjeboi GA quest - look at rewrites, barnstars and DYKs for possible GA candidatessemi-protected articles have to wait until protection and vandalism ebbs. -- Banjeboi Andrew FurcoResearch and write. -- Banjeboi Duly notedThis could possibly be helpful toward explaining on-wiki trans and homo -phobias. -- Banjeboi
Judicial system of Iranreview edits on Judicial system of Iran. -- Banjeboi Non-heterosexualNom for GA. -- Banjeboi Fruit (slang)Nom for GA. -- Banjeboi ARS - add to rescued list?Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Precambrian rabbit. -- Banjeboi Bear template?UndergroundStubbyfy, ref and relaunch. User:Benjiboi/Underground culture. -- Banjeboi Bored? Category:LGBT studies articles needing expert attentionCategory:LGBT studies articles needing expert attention is always entertaining. -- Banjeboi LGBT DYK for portalPortal:LGBT/Did you know; convert past DYKs to the randomizer archive. -- Banjeboi sorting out shemale, 2nd roundButterfly metaphor ,, , , , -- Banjeboi Misplaced Pages:WikiProject WikifyCreate project banner? -- Banjeboi for ARS
Paris Hilton's new albumDraft is at User:Benjiboi/Platinum Blonde (Paris Hilton album) for when more sources appear. -- Banjeboi {{LGBT rights in United States}}50 state project, standardize intro with refs, state map and LGBT rights template. See also section and footer templates. Then do talkpages with project tag and proposed section outline. -- Banjeboi See also
LGBT cat banner and project subpage"LGBT category" mainspace banner of sorts so that those who actually look at any of the LGBT cat pages can follow a link to page that gives a simplified rationale and direction for adding people to cats. "Per _____ policy 'cats should be clearly supported by content' and per ____ policy 'content about sexual minorities must be reliably sourced'. Below are some guidelines to help determine which if any categories are appropriate and how they are organized." Create and install. -- Banjeboi fix my messadd "subst" to these (less than 100). -- Banjeboi
BFrankwhen the noise ebbs. -- Banjeboi bright, articulate and productive, effective etc. Category:Cant languagesTemplate? -- Banjeboi I notes possible leadsUser:Benjiboi/Intersex. -- Banjeboi Fruit (slang) talkpagefind "strange fruit" song referring to LGBT people refs. -- Banjeboi Start Rescue 101 and then link to it on new ARS templatePer this start a new "so you tagged an article" template compacted with show/hide sections:
etc. -- Banjeboi List_of_lesbian_periodicals_in_the_United_States#Year Unknownbasic ref formatting, a few sections a day ... -- Banjeboi
WP:ARS
ARS and DrV notessome possible verbiage also note teh nuance of tagging an article that had the rescue tag vs. one that didn't. -- Banjeboi Jeff WhittingtonClean refs. -- Banjeboi Gene Robinson More clean-up in aisle three. -- Banjeboi Human rights in the United States#Sexual orientationadd sources asap. -- Banjeboi Misplaced Pages talk:ARS/Editnoticecreate directing to FAQ and instructions. -- Banjeboi User:SatyrTN/Cat Search 4 New PagesBored? -- Banjeboi For homo animal articlesBarney Frankadd filmography and EL. -- Banjeboi sighRef challenge at List of male performers in gay porn films, List of Grabby recipients has a lead to links. -- Banjeboi Eroticline
Done** Quentin Elias Done** František Huf Done** Daniel and Jean Lautrec Done** Sam Jensen Page Done** Dano Sulik Done** Ettore Tosi Done** Kazuhito Tadano Done** Titof
OMG
Porn - Cybersocket 50done through turk melrose. -- Banjeboi
Pink Triangle (San Francisco)
Jesse DirkhisingOn path to GA again!
GayNZ.comClean-up. -- Banjeboi Castro cloneModern evolution. -- Banjeboi
Start colour guide drop box
MonosexismBuild for DYK? -- Banjeboi Misplaced Pages:Civility/Polluse as template to suss out weblinks in infoboxes. Search prior discussions to get diffeerent POVs on issues including accessibility. -- Banjeboi
Fart lightingAdd movie refs. -- Banjeboi Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and GaysClean lede. -- Banjeboi Vito Russoadd infobox. -- Banjeboi Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron/Current articlesstart w/4 July to ensure fmt. -- Banjeboi Newsletter bits
Template:Adult entertainment awardsAdd gay porn awards section; Discontinued gay pornography awards, Gay Erotic Video Awards, GayVN Awards, Grabby Awards. And portal links for porn sexuality and LGBT projects. -- Banjeboi
create List of gay pornographic movie studiosClean off from List_of_pornographic_movie_studios#Homosexual_and_bisexual and use Category:Gay pornographic film studios for reference. -- Banjeboi
David Papaleo#Videography .28By Studio.29Clean-up videography, tweak lede. -- Banjeboi Tiger (pornographic actor)clean-up. -- Banjeboi Pink promImmigration Equality (organization)expand more for DYK? -- Banjeboi
fix LGBT slogansasap. -- Banjeboi Fairy (gay slang)just waiting to happen, alt spellings as well. -- Banjeboi openly homosexual
Lani Ka'ahumanuripe for 5x expansion. -- Banjeboi new BLP on longtime LGBT activist Crusader (LGBT activist)
User:AlexNewArtBot/LGBTSearchResultadd to newsletter bits and figure out regular schedule? @ ten/day? -- Banjeboi Miss Julie list?Miss Gay Philippinesripe for 5x dyk. -- Banjeboi Lyn Duffadd infobox. -- Banjeboi apply WP:Policies and guidelinesto User:Benjiboi/paid editing draft, seems we should push towards guideline. -- Banjeboi
Jonathan Ned Katzadd infobox. -- Banjeboi Flup for ARS botUser_talk:ThaddeusB#Bot_help_for_ARS draft over the next week and place somewhere in my userspace. -- Banjeboi DDstart btm 192. -- Banjeboi Lateisha GreenLateisha Green was killed in 2008. The Syracuse, NY woman was 22 at the time. And she was transgender. DeLee's shot was intentional and placed in an effort to make a statement. Last month, a jury found DeLee guilty of manslaughter in the first degree as a hate crime and criminal possession of a weapon. DeLee's conviction was the first hate crime conviction regarding a transgender person in New York and only the second in the country. -- Banjeboi The Article Rescue Squadron Newsletter (September 2009)
Rainbow flag (LGBT movement)Not the best image but interesting. -- Banjeboi need Template:LGBT inviteasap. -- Banjeboi - test on WiccaIrish (talk · contribs). -- Banjeboi Paid admininggrab thread link from AN, Jimbo's talk and start search and request at Arbcom;
I'm trying to build a good sentence or so to overview the community's views on paid admining for the WP:Paid editing page. Several folks have mentioned multiple cases of paid admining/editing discussed at Arbcomm but I'm only seeing the Nichalm (sp?) one. So, are you aware of any cases addressing paid editing in general. Arbcom past discussions are sometimes redacted or simply masked so searching is rendered compromised. Any help appreciated.
Lim Poon Leeref search next. -- Banjeboi LGBT rights by country or territoryformat refs. -- Banjeboi ref and restoresigh. -- Banjeboi National Black Justice Coalitionthe only existing national black gay rights organization and are very much based in the civil rights movement start DYK stub. -- Banjeboi Cherien Dabisneeds infobox, structure, -- Banjeboi Pink Saturdayripe. -- Banjeboi Talk:Ellen DeGeneresclean to archives and add content already worked through - plus AI gives back link. -- Banjeboi Fudgie Frottagere-re-restore damaged content, probably start with new search since it's been a year pr two since the last. -- Banjeboi Equality Mississippibeing targeted again - needs overhaul unfortunately. -- Banjeboi Pat Parkerfind photo of deceased person. -- Banjeboi Scott O'HaraClean-up, add infobox, image. -- Banjeboi Flotilla DeBarge userfiedoverhaul, etc etc. -- Banjeboi Pride paradePride parade template? -- Banjeboi |
Roman Polanski asap
flup
- BLP name
- clean-up coordinatation/tags
- awards. -- Banjeboi
InterPride
restore usable content. -- Banjeboi
possible ARS pic
-- BanjeboiKatastrophe (Rocco Kayiatos)
add infobox and possibly album covers. -- Banjeboi
For paid notes
Bullypedia, A Wikipedian Who’s Tired of Getting Beat Up noted at Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2009-11-09/New pages experiment. -- Banjeboi
Danny Rhymes merge/move/ref
this adds in the baseball college stuff, a prior version from Matt Bixel? Also brief article down to use in List of male performers in gay porn films. -- Banjeboi
Lesbian kiss episode for newletter
do we also need "coming out episode", the "AIDS episode", the "gay wedding episode"? -- Banjeboi
National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality
refix lede to reflect criticism, yet another version seems to be at odds with reality. -- Banjeboi
Talk:Masturbate-a-thon
Sort out updating records. -- Banjeboi
OMG, another old gay porn award ... the Gay Entertainment Award 2002 only
add to list of gay porn awards and glean for list of porn stars. 2002 nominees, 2002 winners. -- Banjeboi
Male Escort Awards
Hunt and integrate into list of porn stars, etc. -- Banjeboi
International Escort Awards
started in 2006, see if there is full listings for other years and integrate into list of porn stars. -- Banjeboi
Aaron Lawrence (entrepreneur) next steps
- start pp33, about 4 pg to go. -- Banjeboi
- Oct 2000, about 1/2 to go. -- Banjeboi
- more books, start with Writing desire: sixty years of gay autobiography. -- Banjeboi
- also add pix of second book. -- Banjeboi
Kip Noll
need image of the deceased. -- Banjeboi
Potential banner maker
Sharon Underwood
proded. -- Banjeboi
Template:Glee
Overhaul. -- Banjeboi
Gay Olympians, Figure skating gay perception(???)
that figure skating is scene as gay -- Banjeboi
Perhaps of interest
Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2009 November 29
gay porn resources
Convert all to Google
- use via Google helpful to confim studio and print modeling. -- Banjeboi
- http://xbiz.com
- www.gaypornblog.com
- Vulcan magazine
- ebar.com - John Carr 25+ years columnist
- sfbaytimes - reviews films, events
- Naked Sword - does 80-90 of video streaming of gay porn -- Banjeboi
- Bound & Gagged
- leatherarchives.com
- Unzipped.net
- Gay.com
- Advocate.com
- adultfilmdatabase.com - seems to include alt names and movies listings
- gayeroticarchives.com
FLUP
FlavaMen Blatino Awards
a couple in there. -- Banjeboi
list clean-up
Johnny Weir, maybe post-Feb Olympics
- Rudy Galindo
- 153 GNews hits -- Banjeboi
for next newsletter?
- New template for LGBT & Military -- Banjeboi
- Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-01-18/WikiProject_report - blurb about unassessed articles
Chris Crocker
Hey, I noticed you undid several of my edits on Chris Crocker. While we may not agree on the notability of many claims/sources used within the article, one thing that really sticks out to me is that the sources cited after Michael Buckley and William Sledd's respective names mention neither Crocker nor the video the paragraph is about. Surely this cannot be an appropriate use of references. I have removed these again; however, I have left the rest of the information. Feather Jonah (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- It was long enough ago I'm not sure why they were used - the one from Edge Boston I agree as it doesn't seem needed, the other one I can't find the actual article so removing it seems unfortunate but also not terribly crucial. The article itself is in flux in part because i became tired of all the vandalism. There is some great stuff about Crocker being a pioneer in a wave of LGBT people "coming out" in rural US but I haven't had the energy to research it all and add it yet. The video section choices were presented to show someone unfamiliar with the subject a reasonably quick overview of his work to date. Potentially newer ones could be added but that also seemed not a huge priority unless he actually starts hitting the news again. -- Banjeboi 19:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Alan Grayson
Hi Benji, I have put in a request for protection here . Off2riorob (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Benjiboi, article has been reverted back to the edit you mentioned, and is protected semi for two weeks, please, if and when you have time have a look and lets attempt to keep it clean, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- It's on my watchlist but I hadn't really looked for a good 1.5 month - that's why I was so shocked. I knew there was at least one diehard critic there who was causing problems but I thought they had moved on. I'll keep an eye out. It would also help to start adding content and sources. -- Banjeboi 21:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Another Barnstar
The Original Barnstar | ||
Well done and thanks very much for the hard work you've done citing the quotes on John Adams (composer), you did a great job and helped me quite a lot there! Minimac94 (talk) 08:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC) |
- You're very welcome, I hope it helps! -- Banjeboi 23:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Chris Colfer
Hi Benjiboi, I removed some sentences from the above article as it was pointed out that they were almost verbatim copies from the tv.com article of the same name. WP:DTTR and all that ... - Alison 20:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see tv.com as a ref and don't see anyone pointing out any copyvio concerns but do appreciate you pointing out an issue exists with theose two sentences. I was restoring an entire paragraph and had no reason to believe there was an issue but will keep my eyes open if there is concern more is being added. -- Banjeboi 23:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- (That was kinda rude - we'd not finished discussing this). Anyways - if you're restoring text that has been previously removed - whether it's by an anon editor or an established account - please check to make sure it's not a copyright violation. Also, check the sources, as tv.com is user-generated content and isn't much of a reliable source. Also, when the issue of copyvio came up before on your talk page, you repeatedly blanked the discussion and refused to discuss the matter. As you are doing again here - Alison 02:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. Poor form. ++Lar: t/c 02:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Copyright concern
Hi, your edit here to Chris Colfer appears to be copied from here. Aside from the copyright and plagiarism concern, I'm troubled in that this is not the first time that there has been a copyright or plagiarism issue with you. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting, I don't think I have seen that page or if I did, didn't take much stock in citing it - not sure how reliable it is or even worth using - but I certainly wouldn't have bothered copyvio when simply quoting would have sufficed. As for this being a recurring issue well that indeed seems like a generous helping of bad faith and my track record rather disputes the assertion this is some problem that you helpfully pointing out warrants. Likely it would help to simply point out any problems or potential copyvio issues in order to fix them. Accusing editors of purposely bring harm in such a manner is rather serious so I'll take this as a cue as to where you spend your time offsite rather than much else. -- Banjeboi 23:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, this is part of a general pattern. For example, back in September you made this and this edit. The first edit is copy and pasted sentences from the reference you give in the second. You wrote "Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. A sailor accused of murdering him committed suicide in the base brig a week later. Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay; the Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." In the original, one sentence is "Seaman August Provost on July 23, one week after Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton." The first sentence is "A sailor accused of murdering a fellow seaman on duty at Camp Pendleton committed suicide in the base brig." The sentence "Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was an admitted homosexual. The Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." only differs from your writing in that "admitted homosexual." has been changed to "openly gay;". This is not a good situation. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I never mentioned Misplaced Pages Review as your edit summary suggests but within 49,000+ edits that I have made some mistakes is less indicative of a pattern than myself being human. The issue was on Chris Colfer, I'm not even sure if I had added that content in the first place but indeed I did re-add it however I had no reason to believe it was copyvio. I am glad you have so much energy to dig up issues that are largely resolved though - we need people to constantly assume bad faith on editors. It helps morale and generally makes for a better collegial environment. (Please note the preceeding was sarcasm). -- Banjeboi 00:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- For someone who is making noise about assuming good faith, I'm a bit surprised by your apparently disingenuous behavior. Referring to "where you spend your time offsite rather than much else" seems like some sort of claim about WR. Frankly, if it isn't then I'm at a loss as to what you meant. This isn't an issue in any event of whether or not you are deliberately adding copyvios. The problem is that a clear pattern exists whether or not they are deliberate. FYI, the next step is ANI. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I never mentioned Misplaced Pages Review as your edit summary suggests but within 49,000+ edits that I have made some mistakes is less indicative of a pattern than myself being human. The issue was on Chris Colfer, I'm not even sure if I had added that content in the first place but indeed I did re-add it however I had no reason to believe it was copyvio. I am glad you have so much energy to dig up issues that are largely resolved though - we need people to constantly assume bad faith on editors. It helps morale and generally makes for a better collegial environment. (Please note the preceeding was sarcasm). -- Banjeboi 00:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, this is part of a general pattern. For example, back in September you made this and this edit. The first edit is copy and pasted sentences from the reference you give in the second. You wrote "Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. A sailor accused of murdering him committed suicide in the base brig a week later. Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay; the Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." In the original, one sentence is "Seaman August Provost on July 23, one week after Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton." The first sentence is "A sailor accused of murdering a fellow seaman on duty at Camp Pendleton committed suicide in the base brig." The sentence "Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was an admitted homosexual. The Navy said even though the killer had admitted his deed, they haven't concluded that this is a hate crime." only differs from your writing in that "admitted homosexual." has been changed to "openly gay;". This is not a good situation. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with JoshuaZ. We need a clear statement that you are going to be more careful going forward and a cessation of snarky edit summaries. Brushing this under the rug won't make it go away. You seem to have some disturbing behavior patterns that you need to work on. ++Lar: t/c 02:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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