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Jingisukan

The song is clearly meant to spread the joy of Jingisukan to the world. Are you suggesting that someone has violated a copyright to post the video on youtube? Have you contacted the copyright holder to apprise them of this situation and to inquire whether their joyous song is meant to be shared? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a statement of the authors about their intentions, or is this just your personal speculation? As of WP:BURDEN, it is your job to provide such evidence, not mine. --Latebird (talk) 00:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not hosting the song. So if you suspect a copyright violation and are concerned I think it is incumbent on you take appropriate action and notify the persons involved. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Please study WP:ELNEVER very carefully. I've pointed it out to you before. --Latebird (talk) 09:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

It says "Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement". I don't think that song is a copyright violation. Do you? Why? I think you should look into it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Latebird! Thank you for your (comparatively) kind comment here... Actually, I have worked on Franco-Mongol stuff pretty much the same way I work on other subjects: I take a subject matter and try to document it as encyclopedically and in as much referenced detail as I can. That's not to say that the subject itself is especially significant historically: sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. One could argue that Hasekura Tsunenaga, another of the articles I created, is insignificant historically, but he is nonetheless so fascinating. You mention "perspective", but I'm certainly not trying to change historical perspective here: actually I think the Franco-Mongol alliance was rather insignificant and had almost no effect historically... but it is so fascinating nonetheless as an example of cultural interaction. I am not trying to "rewrite" history at all, but only to shed light on a rather dark corner of history. To me it is one of the beauty of a paperless encyclopedia that we can go into such detail for even very narrow subjects. Cheers PHG (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

PHG ArbCom request

I've posted a request for possible additional evidence at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/PHG/Evidence. Cool Hand Luke 18:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Inapropriate links???

Hi Latebird. I don't know which links are you talking about. If you mean the links of the miss world contestants, I think they make sense. If someone is looking for information of a Miss World contestant, he/she probably wants to see photos of her, and particularly photos of her in the Miss World competition. I have contributed with photos of all the participants of 2007 and 2008 to wikipedia. I have created the individual pages for most of the girls in 2008 and 2007. I don't make any profit with my website, I don't sell pictures. I actually provide the pictures free to any contestant that contacts me. I have a job as software developer, and I do the photography as a hobby. I can't see what is wrong with publishing photos of the girls in wikipedia, and linking to my site if the person wants to see more photos. Rosengurtt talk 19:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI and WP:EL#ADV very carefully. You must never add links to your own site(s) to Misplaced Pages, because you are inherently biased to overestimate its usefulness. If it's really happens to be useful, then other people will add the links over time, and with a lot more credibility. --Latebird (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Byambyn Rinchen

Hi Latebird! I've just created an article on Rinchen, but I would prefer to have the picture that is in the Russian language article. Could you do me a favour and import it? G Purevdorj (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

That image on ruwiki seems to exist under a "fair use" clause. Since we already have an alternative one from the Commons, that isn't really an option here. Or is there evidence that it was created before 1972? Actually, the other one is also on thin ice in that regard... --Latebird (talk) 13:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

PHG case

I did a short review of some of your evidence at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/PHG/Evidence#Other evidence. Also note that I've posted a proposed decision, which is now in voting. Cool Hand Luke 16:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Your stubborness

Sorry but it has to be said from what I've seen of you Latebird, you are undoubtedly one of the most stubborn people I;ve ever encountered in my life. The word "fuddy duddy" springs to mind. User:Rarelibra has made a massive contribution to maps on wikipedia which generally look accurate and are of great importance on here. I do hope you have not scared him away from this site permanently with your response to him. You've let something you disagreed on with Mongolia affect the world contributions of an editor who is greatly needed on here. I;ve tried to reason with you in the past about opening up and allowing the Central Asian countries to have some sort of assessment too but you are too stubborn to "allow" us to try to improve coordination of this area. WHile seperate wikiporjects as yet may not be reasonable given the lack of major contributors, having a better assessment set up is greatly needed. Please be careful with the way you treat other editors in the future as some of them may be more valuable to the project than you might think. Dr. Blofeld 13:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Now if you cared to inform me what you're actually talking about, that would be most helpful. --Latebird (talk) 13:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Your disagreement with Rarelibra. I;m not saying there aren't two sides to every story but think of it like this, the guy is a professional map maker, he is a cartographer for a living. Telling him his maps are inaccurate, basically rubbish and representing false information is probably one of the hardest insults you can give him. If people are considering his maps inaccurate then he is going to think twice about creating anymore in case they are rejected. Naturally we want all maps to be as accurate as possible but were his maps really all that inaccurate?Were they really that bad? Could you provide an example and I might understand your side of it a little more. In my view district maps don't have to be 100% precise, I appreciate any maps of internal divisions which roughly help the reader if they didn't exist before. I just think you were a little harsh with him thats all, and am concerned he has not actively edited wiki since in two months. Dr. Blofeld 13:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't really think that I was the agressive one in that discussion, do you? Unfortunately, the maps in question are full of very fundamental errors, and I see no good way to sugar-coat that. As far as I remember, only two of them even show the right number of sums. All interested parties (including him) have known this for a long time, related discussions go back about two years. After all, that was the primary reason why Bogomolov created the replacements currently in use. You can pick almost any pair between them for comparison to understand the problem. If Rarelibra is really unable to accept such straightforward and factual criticism, then I'll have to refuse responsibility for that. --Latebird (talk) 14:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, indeed you seemed the calmer. I wonder what he was using to make so many errors.... Anyway thanks, I can see that it is more than just one or two that had faults and you were right to identify them. Dr. Blofeld 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

He mentioned at one time that he only had a small and unclear map, and needed to make many guesses about what it really meant to show.

Btw.: What does all of this have to do with article assessment? And on that topic, do you remember this little conversation we had a while ago? Such things are really up to the workgroup to decide, not me. --Latebird (talk) 17:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Please help with Mongol/Tatar invasions articles

Can you please discuss/help, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mongol_Empire#Excellent_article_and_general_mongol_invasion_conquest_articles 97.118.116.250 (talk) 12:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of "Mongolia under Tang rule"

Hallo Latebird! Bitte schreib deine Meinung zu Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mongolia_during_Tang_rule#Mongolia_during_Tang_rule! Ich halte die Löschung für unbedingt erforderlich, aber du kannst dir den Artikel und die Argumente ja selbst ankucken. G Purevdorj (talk) 09:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Good to see you back on Misplaced Pages. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Deletion of Bilateral relation pages despite ongoing merging effort Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 08:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

And why are you canvassing this here? Articles without notable content must get deleted, after all. --Latebird (talk) 20:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Mongolian script

Hello, do you know of a computer program that will render soyonbo script? I found a badge that has Mongolyn Skautyn Kholboo written in it, so the text is used by Scouting, I need it. Thank you if you can help! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There's a link at the bottom of Soyombo script, where you can download TTF fonts. I used those to create the example and symbol table graphics in the article. --Latebird (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

My mistake, I mean Mongolian script. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There are also fonts for that one available (this time Unicode based). But they are only really usable with Windows Vista, because the character selection mechanisms are not very well designed in Unicode. It seems that User:Yaan has figured out how to use it, as he has uploaded many examples to Commons. Another possible alternative might be Menksoft IMEs, but I'm not sure how much you need to be familiar with Chinese word input methods to use that one. --Latebird (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Menksoft Mongolian IME has an English interface, but sarcastically they didn't make an English installation program. Many Chinese softwares have that characterestic. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, rats. Let me ask, if I send you a graphic of this badge, might you be able to help me recreate the text in Mongol script? Sorry to ask, but it's all I need it for. Thanks, Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't been successful with traditional Mongolian myself yet (don't have Vista). Better ask Yaan. --Latebird (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You can download a "Vista IME migration to xp" and use it (not Menksoft, it's the Microsoft one, but without KB929763 support). See Mn:Хэрэглэгчийн яриа:虞海#87.184.97.23. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Reminder

Your comment is replied. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 09:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Menksoft and Menksoft Mongolian IME

FYI, as you have shown some interest in these pages, I have proposed Menksoft and Menksoft Mongolian IME for deletion as they are promotional articles for a non-notable company and software product, and I do not think they are appropriate for Misplaced Pages. Please seeMisplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Menksoft. BabelStone (talk) 22:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for saving the image of ger-tereg. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Carelessness with facts

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to Mongol invasion of Europe. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.

Don't throw your weight around, especially when you have no idea of the facts. The defeat at Klis fortress was not the first defeat of the mongols in Europe. Many fortresses in Poland and Hungary held out successfully against mongol seige tactics. The idea that only the great Croat army was able to defeat the mongols is nonsense and is pure revisionist history for nationalistic reasons. Please don't abuse wikipedia's warnings to defend that which is undefendable. I suggest you look at your own actions--I see a number of complaints against you here on your message board--before you make indefensible judgments. InFairness (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you really think that mounting personal attacks against me strenghens your position? Retaliating by posting my own warning back onto my talk page is also considered very bad style. It would be much more convincing for you to produce reliable sources to justify your changes to that article. If you had done that, then such discussions would be unnecessary to begin with. --Latebird (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Pax Mongolica

As you may be aware, Pax Mongolica article is being edited as part of this educational assignment. It will end with the articles undergoing a Good Article nomination and review processes. I appreciate your input so far; would you be willing to keep reviewing the changes to the article and help with the final review of the article for the Good Article status in the next few weeks? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of the context. That's why I try to explain my interventions there in more detail than I might otherwise do. I have most Mongolia-related articles on my watchlist anyway, so that I'm bound to notice any edits within a few days. I'll have to catch up on the formal criteria for GA nominations, though. --Latebird (talk) 15:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Correct translation for Russian titles

Dear Latebird, please see Thanks, Barefact (talk) 20:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Dear Latebird, please see Thanks,Barefact (talk) 10:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it Barefact (talk) 18:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Khöshöö Tsaidam

Hi, I saw you did some stuff on the Khosho Tsaidam Monuments page. Do you think the two should be merged? What about the Tsaidam page - do you think it should be turned into a disambiguation? Tsaidam is some type of Mongolian landform, according to Vietze it is a word for salt marshes, according to this page it might also be some kind of wide valley or yet something else. I.e. there might be even more places with "Tsaidam" as part of their resp. names. Yaan (talk) 14:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it Khöshöö Tsaidam that would be merged with Khosho Tsaidam Monuments? In its current state, the former might indeed be integrated without loss. Or is there more that can be said about the region other than "it exists"? To the very least the monuments article should be moved to the proper transcription. Right now there seem to be two places with "Tsaidam" in their names, so it's probably a bit early for a dab page. -Latebird (talk) 06:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Fernsehen

Hi, ich wollte nur sagen, dass in der Nacht von Montag zu Dienstag auf 3sat Sturm über Asien läuft. Ich habe den Film vor ein paar Jahren gesehen und fand ihn ziemlich gut. Frohe Weihnachten,

Yaan (talk) 13:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Kombinat

Hi, google search seems to indicate that Mongolia has several places (and at least one citizen!) known as "Kombinat". I only have ever heard of Biokombinat, but I don't know where it is. Maybe if we ask Ganaa or someone else from UB we'd get the answer in no time? Yaan (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that Google search doesn't clearly indicate that there are relevant geographic places named that way. "Bio-Kombinat" and "Sükhbaatar Khevleliin Kombinat" etc. appear to be organisations, "Kombinat and Toilgoit districts of Ulaanbaatar" are at best Khoroos of Khan Uul Düüreg (if even that, since Khoroos are usually just numbered), and there are similar issues with the other results that I've looked at. Giving someone's birthplace as "Combinat, Mongolia" is therefore at best ambiguous, and meaningless without further clarification. Even if there is a Khoroo named "Kombinat", then that would probably be the industrial zone, a somewhat unlikely birthplace for not only one but two distinct national football players. But of course, if we find reliable information about what was really meant there, I'll be happy to see the details added. --Latebird (talk) 14:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

One of the older versions had Ulaanbaatar as his birthplace, maybe we could simply use that one. Yaan (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. Btw.: Have you ever seen a list of all the Khoroos anywhere, especially those with names? --Latebird (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

No. Are those names really official names of khoroos, and not just inofficial names of some neighbourhood? Yaan (talk) 13:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Different names are possible in Mongolia, so Kombinat too. Originally Комбинат is a Russian word, it means an enterprise with numerous plants from the same branch of industry. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

... From the word "combination" ... or "combinato"...Gantuya eng (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I wonder who would name his child Пулёмёт. Yaan (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I'll add the link to the Mongolian name article. Yaan (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Could "Kombinat Nurahmet" be a misspelling of a Kazakh name? As an unofficial name of a neighbourhood, "Kombinat" is the area of those old shanty 2-floor apartment buildings to the west of the Khan-Uul Culture Palace (guess it's named like this) and to the south of the Chinggis Khaan Ave. Perhaps those buildings were intended for workers of factories. Some are like dormitories. As living area it perhaps stretches up to the Tsagaan Khaalga (Arch). There perhaps the former factories begin. Gantuya eng (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Misspelling is possible, but using Russian origin words as names (Пропуск, Чашка, Магазин, Пулёмёт and my frend met in Uvs Aimag a boy with the name Бурводстрой) is very possible. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 08:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Showing a template by default

Kinda stupid question : at the bottom of Hurd's article, there are 2 templates : "Hurd" and "Mongolian pop and rock artists". Since there are 2 of them, they both appear collapsed by default. Is there a way of showing the first and collapsing the second, by default ? Or at least showing both ? Thanks. Lnemekhbayar (talk) 13:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I've added some trickery to {{Hurd}} to pass the "state" variable through to the underlying {{Navbox}}. --Latebird (talk) 19:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Gee, thanks, never would have figured that out myself :) Lnemekhbayar (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The trick is actually explained in the documentation of {{Navbox}}, and recommended specifically for this purpose. --Latebird (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Transliterating artist names

What should I do, when an artists "official" name in English is not how it is supposed to be transliterated ? For example, the correct transliteration of "Хурд" is "Khurd", but the band has always been known as "Hurd", even their official logo says "Hurd". The same goes for "Харанга" / "Haranga" / "Kharanga". Lnemekhbayar (talk) 12:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

If a band consistently publishes under one specific latin spelling (as is the case with Hurd), then use that self designation. We also have Camerton (band) where the transcription would be "Kamerton" and Kiwi (band) vs. "Kivi". You can expect that to happen sometimes with bands. It will only happen with individual artists when the person lives and works abroad and becomes well known there (can't think of a musician right now, but Galsan Tschinag is one such example in literature). --Latebird (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Should I move contents from "Kharanga" to "Haranga" and change the redirection also ? Thanks for your advice :) Lnemekhbayar (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

They seem to use "Haranga" on their own material, so I guess that would be ok. --Latebird (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Venue change

Since it appears that the AE thread was not the proper venue, the request for the extension of the topic ban on PHG has instead been filed here. You may wish to move your statement to that location, or if you give me your permission, I can handle it. --Elonka 07:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)