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Blocked for personal attacks

I have blocked you for four hours for not respecting the no personal attacks policy I've placed on my user page. Your comments were a personal attack of User:Ambi and will not be tolerated. You were warned by the warning at the top of my page, which I also seem to recall you complaining about, so there's no excuse for not being aware of it.

Please refrain from personal attacks in the future. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The relevant quote from your talk page, and the only mention of me of Ambi there is "respected contributor User:SPUI was banned for a while shortly after posting it on Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin by Snowspinner (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (and permanantly from the chat room by Kelly's friend Ambi)" ("posting it" referring to the chat log posted)

Are you saying that saying Ambi is your friend is a "personal attack"? I doubt many people would agree that's a justified block according to blocking policy. --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither is saying that Ambi blocked SPUI from the chat channel a "personal attack": This is true, I did not "make this up" as Kelly is now claiming on her talk page: SPUI himself says it here: "And now I've been banned from #wikipedia by ambi2 for posting the above here. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 06:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)" - He may be unbanned now, but she did ban him and it's a lie to say otherwise. --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Derry/Londonderry

Hello, I'm ]. An edit that you recently made seemed to be a test and has been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on ]. Thanks! --Kiand 20:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not "vandalise" any pages... --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Djegan 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I HAVE NOT ADDED "nonsense", please stop categorising anything that challenges your POV as "vandalism", it is wrong... --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia but remember the 3RR rule. Djegan 21:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

If you know anything about Northern Ireland, you should know that this is a difficult subject. The BBC uses "Derry" and "Londonderry" alternately in the same news item and begins each alternate story with one, then the other. Misplaced Pages can't do that easily - the article has to go somewhere. So we have ended up with a compromise that is equally unfair to both points of view. We all have to accept that shouting louder at people doesn't resolve a dispute, it only makes it worse. Before you leap in making wild accusations, please read Derry/Londonderry naming dispute and then the discussions at talk:Derry and talk:County Londonderry. Truth and reconciliation commission might help too.

On Misplaced Pages, we use the term "vandalism" when someone destroys a consensus text that has evolved as the most neutral way to describe the issue. Inevitably, people on each side with very firmly held views will continue to believe that it is disgracefully biased towards the opposing point of view. The texts of "Derry" and "County Londonderry" have been attacked repeatedly by Republicans as being Unionist propoganda. --Red King 21:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

If I gave the impression that you couldn't improve existing text, then I agree that this is quite wrong. "Vandalism" was a lazy way to describe waht you did and the term really applies to wholesale blanking or over-writing with obscenities. A more accurate way to express it is that we aim for neutrality (NPOV = neutrality) A blatantly "(partisan) point of view" or "POV" - which should be PPOV - will get reverted. That goes for Sinn Feiners as well as DUPers. --Red King 00:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello and welcome

You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot a little bit. First of all, let me give you the official welcome: Welcome!

Hello Mistress Selina Kyle/Archive1, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

• The five pillars of Misplaced Pages
• How to edit a page
• Help pages
• Tutorial
• How to write a great article
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Misplaced Pages:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! 

Secondly, I should point out that the posters above are quite mistaken--none of your contributions should have been considered vandalism. That said, do try to interact on talk pages before making significant changes to controversial pages. Oh, and one more thing--your user page currently claims you're an administrator. You should remove that template--it's not a good idea to give a false impression about yourself.

Please let me know at my talk page if I can be of any assistance. Chick Bowen 21:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to become an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. Chick Bowen 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

User world

Thank you for that o mistress - your wish shall be done :) Grutness...wha? 00:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Same comment. Cheers -- Svest 01:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  

Moi aussi. But the "tl" didn't work. The template seems to work just fine with the short version {{world}}. I may copy your seal hunt stuff to a wikicity about aquatic beings. Robin Patterson 03:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

World citizen?

Out of interest, where did you see that I was a "world citizen"? I don't remember writing that. Regards — Dan | talk 00:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I have no recollection of having done that. Seems it was more than a year ago. — Dan | talk 01:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply

God bless you for your kind words miss! I've now added myself to the wiki punk rockers list which I never previously knew about! quercus robur 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) (PS that pic was taken 22 years ago...)- This is me as well (lying down...)

Sorry...

I apologize if I sounded grumpy, but it's very suspiscous when someone does that. Sorry again, but that was not something I could take lightly. I didn't want to offend, but it's very dangerous for someone to impersonate an administrator, and needs to be avoided. Sorry again.--Sean|Black 02:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

If it really is that bad maybe something needs to be done to make it impossible to do.. like with protecting pages "protecting use of templates" would be a good idea.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ole

I don't think i can reconcile Prodigy with techno, sorry. I might have to assert my POV there...Anyways, read this:

"happiness not money - money is just a tool for helping it along for both yourself and others" Would you be suprised if i stated that happiness will buy you money? Just read an article in the WSJ or the Times a few days ago, citing recent research that attests for that. So, be happy, and more likely than not, you'll end up loaded :)

Cool friend template, by the way.Dragonlord kfb 08:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Counter vandalism unit

Greetings, mistress; I hope that thou don't matter that I took thy advice on User:Rama's talk page for myself, and the big pic from thy user page. May I hear from thee how can I join thy counter-vandalism unit? HolyRomanEmperor 17:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Archives

Hi, sorry for moving the page. HolyRomanEmperor asked me to - he's been having some trouble with his connection lately and can't make large edits. Izehar (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

To comment on your other userbox - can I be your friend :-) Izehar (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll have to make my own version, as you can see from the many userboxes on my page that I don't like to share and I don't like bright colours. World citizens like us have to stick together :-) Izehar (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Impersonation

Don't worry, I can handle this myself :) - User:Automnial will be blocked from editing indefitely. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Kind regards, FireFox 22:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no easy way to find out if the two are the same users. If you think another sockpuppet is created, you may want to bring it to my attention or post it here. Cheers, FireFox 22:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

In Love with Batman

I'll show you show drug free hedonism, baby... besides, Batman and Superman are already a couple, see below! Dyslexic agnostic 02:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Panels from World's Finest #289 Panels from World's Finest #289

Ownership of Sci Fi Channel (UK)

Hi, I notice you edited Sci Fi channel (United Kingdom) to change the ownership. I have started a discussion of this at Talk:Sci Fi channel (United Kingdom)#Ownership, as I am not 100% convinced you are correct. Feel free to join in and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Regards MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 12:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Sam Vimes

Re: my talk page

Damn. My secret is out. So is yours. ;) Seriously, though, I'm not much like him - I just happen to like the name, and it's usually not occupied. Sam Vimes 15:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

A UK registered charity

I spotted your note about this on Jimbo's talk page and thought I'd reply. If you look at m:Wikimedia UK you'll see that a group of us are trying to do something very similar to what you suggest. A UK charity should be fully registered by the middle of next year, jguk 21:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

re: World citizenship box

Sorry, there's no space for that on my userpage. :) I might rearrange it in a while, but until then I just can't figure out a good place to put that template... perhaps it should look more like the Babel templates so it'd fit in with them...? - ulayiti (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it... well, I'll put it there later. I'm off to bed now. :) - ulayiti (talk) 01:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess... but I did get it done now after all... behold the new and improved User:Ulayiti/babel. :) - ulayiti (talk) 01:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I thank you.

Vandalism

Please refrain from vandalising the Freemasonry article, or any other articles, in the future. Willy Logan 02:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of 'green wikipedians' category

Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your vote! Seems the categories are safe now. :) Larix 01:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiMedia UK

We aim to incorporate soon. Do you want to be a Trustee or a Member? LoopZilla 12:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

To be a trustee you'd have to give your real name and address to Companies House, so it would be on the public record, as well as certain other information. It also carried with it certain legal obligations. Also certain people are disqualified from being company directors - eg undischarged bankrupts, those with a disqualification order against them. Being a member has far fewer legal implications. We would require your real name and an address, but we'd probably accept an email address rather than your postal address (though we haven't considered that yet). You'd also have to pay the membership subscription (price not yet determined, though likely to be at such a level that doesn't deter people because they're not as rich as Jimmy Wales!) and agree to pay an amount not exceeding £10 if required if the company wound up when you were a member or within one year of you ceasing to be a member. Mind you, there's no need to be either a trustee or a member to help out - you just need to have a few hours you're willing to spend regularly in the cause, jguk 18:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

What?

Merry Christmas? What about Hanukkah? Hanukkah is on the 26th December this year - aren't you going to add Hanukkah to your talk page. What ever happened to political correctness? ;-) Izehar (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Seriously though, Happy Holidays? Izehar (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Was Christmas really around long before Jesus? I should probably read the article on Christmas, but I can't find my glasses ;-) Izehar (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

"User freespeech" template

I like it! Good work hun! Tom 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Welcoming committee

Selina, I bet you'd love to be a member of the Welcoming committee. I am, it's a very easy job. Izehar (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Free speech template

Thanks for telling me about the template. I've switched the userbox on my page to use it.
--Peter McGinley 05:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbcom Election

We're not sure yet how the election will be held, but I'll be sure to let you know when it happens, thank you for your vote! Us Aspies have to stick together, so please let me know if I can help you with anything. You made my day! karmafist 02:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetlister block

Thanks for your message, I've commented on the noticeboard. Arniep 02:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I think this warrants an ArbCom against Lulu of the Lotus Eaters et al. I think it has gone too far now, what with this spurious block as well, as apparent "resolution" of this problem lol. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, this is a case of "you're right but you can't win anyway". I have zero confidence in the arbitration committee doing anything. Really, I recommended for the affected parties to just quit Misplaced Pages and never come back. And as for everyone else involved, well, we should pray that we won't get banned ourselves for daring to question admin decisions. You don't want to end up like User:Lir now do you? He was someone who took on admins over a similar issue. It is, quite simply, hopeless. Admins can do basically whatever they want to here.

I've seen this kind of thing many times and I guess its not really worth fighting. No doubt the ban was used to try to push forward the argument that, in spite of evidence to the contrary, Lulu was actually a good guy, since the person that they abused is now blocked because of it. Then they will demonise Poetlister and everyone involved. Its just not worth it really.

We should just sit back and say that no, the Jewish Year Book is not reliable, what just because its an official Jewish publication listing the names of all Jews and who they are doesn't mean that we can use it. We should also say that just because someone is a judge of the Supreme Court of Israel doesn't make them Jewish. Just so long as we can allow ourselves to agree to things like that, and accept admin corruption, then we are fine. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Thought I'd write in here to let you know that I've made a page going over the whole Poetlister block issue, with lots of evidence. See here: User:Zordrac/Poetlister. Enough to go to Jimbo over? What do you think? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 17:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing things up. I asked Poetlister to have a look too, and she suggested me removing her first name from it and didn't want me to list the contents of her e-mail to me for privacy reasons. I still think that the contents of her e-mails actually help this case, but that's her choice. I noticed that you got rid of the pic from there, and you are right. It was vandalised. It seems to have been vandalised to try to infer that Rachel Brown and Taxwoman were friends, when they don't seem to have known each other. Thanks. Feel free to edit other parts of the article, but please be respectful that it is my user sub page, hence I actually do "own" it (i.e. its not like a normal article). Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

That last edit was really good. I wonder who owns that IP address. Someone involved in this dispute perhaps trying to manipulate things to make it look like the block was deserved? Thanks again. :) Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Poetlister block

Please do not revert a sock puppet notice again. If you object to the block, by all means discuss it with the blocking admin, who knows what the evidence is, but in the meantime, please do not interfere with her decision. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 02:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Eminem

I realize you have AS, but you don't have to take it out on us. You're being incredibly annoying. Stop putting back my own words when I do not wish them there. Also, why on Earth did you have to a.) report the great picture everyone had agreed on, and replace it with an ugly one, which, of all things, isn't even a personal shot. You claim to have found the source, but it's ALL OVER THE WEB. It's everywhere. Do an Eminem google search, non-image, and that's the first thing you see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelic Wraith (talk • contribs)

Sorry for butting in here. But one of the misunderstandings about Asperger's Syndrome or autism generally is that it is not something that is somehow "caught", that it is curable or somehow controllable. It is a condition that defines who you are. Someone with Asperger's Syndrome can no more stop having it than someone without it can start having it. Whilst it is possible to pretend not to have it, you can't stop having it. It is difficult for AS people to cope with others, just as it is difficult for neurotypicals to cope with AS people. So I hope that there is a bit more understanding all around. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 08:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

I try. It's an uphill battle, even when it seems that a majority of Christians are willing to accept logic and agree that their God was probably born in autumn sometime. (Personally, I think the bulk of the evidence indicates that he either didn't even exist or was so different from what people think that it doesn't even matter, but I'd never try to force that POV into an article.) elvenscout742 12:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Template: User Socialist

Hi Mistress Selina Kyle. I've reverted your change to the userbox User Socialist. I note that you do not use this userbox yourself; therefore you are imposing your views on the dozen or so people who do use it and making unilateral changes to a dozen user pages.

If you'd like to get a consensus (of people who use this userbox) for change, please go ahead. But please don't change a box without getting that consensus, especially when you don't use it yourself. It's not fair.

Thanks! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 18:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

As the creator of this userbox U second that. If you don't like it, don't use it (and you don't use it), there are plenty of flag waving versions around. Bartimaeus 22:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Um, it symbolises communism not fascism these are two completely different concepts, if you are having trouble understanding this please read the related articles on wikipedia for clarification. As for dictatorship, though many communist countries are or were dictatorships this is not fundamental to communism. Just as the USA's right-wing bible-bashing government is not a requirement for democracy. The more important part of the hammer and sickle is what it symbolises; the strength of the masses, that we Drones have power and will not be slaves, the symbol expresses for me and the others who use it what socialism means to us. I suggest you learn more about the subject before you start telling people what symbols mean, since you can't even tell the difference between communism and fascism. Bartimaeus 13:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

LOL. Sorry, if I can just butt in here, but um you do realise that Australia and Sweden are both socialist democracies don't you? I mean, you can be both at the same time you know. I am Australian and I am proud of our ability to combine capitalist economies with communist equality. Australia, for example, has the lowest proportion of poverty of any country in the world, and has the most equal distribution of wealth. I for one am proud of that. "No child shall ever starve" is our philosophy. A lot of Australians are shocked and horrified when they visit USA because of the existence of beggars and homeless people who simply don't exist in Australia. In Australia, the only poverty is related to either drug addiction, career criminals and runaway children. We get huge amounts of money from welfare and you can get it for your entire life. Its actually enough to live on. And no, that's not fascism. Australians like everyone, both Russia and America. That's why we have no enemies. :) Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 13:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Nono you misunderstand me: Socialism is good, communism is not - Communism in practice never works and always ends up as a totalitarian fascist police state.. Socialism is NOT communism and that's the distinction I am trying to make, I think it's inappropriate to have the Soviet Union (given that in many ways with relation to abuse and murder they were the same as the Nazi Party) symbol on the socialism user box. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship

Hi there,

I see you reversed my edit to Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship. What I was trying to do was change it so that, in Category:Wikipedians, it appeared under W and not at the top; I don't see that any category in such a broad category as Wikipedians has a particular claim to be jumped to the top of the list. (Whereas it does make sense to put it at the top in Category:Wikipedians by location.) Perhaps you haven't got the hang of how the "pipe trick" for categories works—you can see this page for that. The point is, whatever goes after the pipe (i.e. the "|" character) is what the category is listed under. Thus you used to have it listed under "*" (at the start), I switched it to listing under "World Citizenship" (at W), and you switched it to space (at the start). Let me know if you have any questions/comments on this; if I don't hear from you, I figure I'll switch it back to the way I had it eventually. -- SCZenz 01:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. No problem at all. :-) -- SCZenz 01:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Latex

Just a couple of things:

• Watch out for WP:3RR. I know that you're saying it's vandalism and 3RR doesn't apply to vandalism, but you'll probably find that if someone lists you as having violated it there will exist at least one admin who'll feel that removing the picture isn't vandalism.
• Minor edits should always be minor, ok?

I'm not even convinced those gloves are latex, by the way! ^_^
brenneman 03:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I finally got permission to use another image. It's been placed at: Image:modelwearinglatex.jpg --DaiTengu 04:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

A quick note

Just a quick note to say that you rock. Had to tell you. Ifnord 04:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh. Why do you rock? Nothing specific; I don't think you can just do one thing, no matter how nifty, and get the stamp of coolness. But as I was nosing through your talk page, comments people have left about you, and your replies - I was struck by how you came across. It's good. Ifnord 04:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Please note, that I just recently posted to her talk page, and my comments along with another comment that was critical of her were quickly removed and not responded to... which makes me suspect that there's a reason she "came across" well. Themindset 08:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Themindset reminds me of a Happy Bunny sticker that reads, "You suck and that's sad." Ifnord 18:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Poetlister sock puppet notices etc

Hi Selina Kyle. I have noticed that you kept removing the sock puppet notice. I think that this is a bad idea. Normal Misplaced Pages protocol is that if a user has been banned for being a sock puppet, then the sock puppet notice has to be placed there. Notice that it is just a "suspicion" of sock puppetry and has not been proven. Thus it is okay for it to remain. Whilst SlimVirgin's removal of the bios is inappropriate, it has been agreed that the sock puppet notice should remain. This in fact points out the injustice, as we can then see what happened there. Also, by the way, Poetlister and Taxwoman weren't friends. They didn't even like each other. Its great that you're supporting Poetlister in this, but I would have thought Taxwoman was the more appropriate person. I think that Taxwoman is the thinnest link to User:RachelBrown and the one with the least evidence of sock puppetry. There is actually enough to suggest that perhaps Poetlister and RachelBrown might be sock puppets. The issue then is that if they are, did they do anything wrong by doing so? They were apparently friends and did visit each other and use the same computer. The other 3 were not friends. It seems that they may have all used the same ISP, something that they undoubtedly shared with thousands of other people. The case for Taxwoman to be unbanned based on not being a sock puppet is much stronger than the case for Poetlister. However, with Poetlister the issue is more the reasons behind the ban. You might want to look at this here: User_talk:Kelly_Martin#User-check_request. That's why Poetlister got banned - because of an edit war with SlimVirgin and Lulu, who wanted her to be banned so that they could win the edit war. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 11:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

World citizen flag

Thanks for clarifying. However, this means the image descriptions are misleading; they should describe where the flags are used and acknowledge the original designer. Are you as well allowed to place the design in the public domain? Fredrik | tc 11:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

replied (me)

cuuuuute kitty

Ok. :) --Phroziac _. o º 15:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo

I don't think that its right for me to contact Jimbo. I suggested to Poetlister to contact him if Mindspillage doesn't write her an e-mail or call her. I noticed that Mindspillage didn't respond to my e-mail either. I think that Jimbo would be very intersted in corruption of this magnitude, as it seriously puts Misplaced Pages in jeapordy. However, I don't think that I am the right person to contact him. It is really up to the affected users. Maybe Taxwoman could contact him as well? I suggest Poetlister because she is the one that e-mailed me about it. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 18:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Mental Health

You are perceptive. I actually just created Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Mental Health and the two userboxes for providers/consumers. I also note your quick addition of the specific disorders. =) As to your question, the answer is indeed, "something". Ifnord 19:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Bans lifted

I thought I'd let you know that User:Poetlister, User:Taxwoman, User:Newport and User:Londoneye all had their bans lifted, thanks to your help! Thanks so much for helping me to edit the User:Zordrac/Poetlister subpage. Your work was wonderful.

P.S. I am very sorry that you got a 24 hour block for 3RR. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Sometimes people break 3RR by accident. Its no big deal really. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. I must say, going by your userpage and your edits, I like you! (I really like the Einstein quote, that's quality). But you've really got to stop running into the 3RR! Have a look at WP:ROWN. I'd also like to offer my services - if you ever get into situations like the one at latex again, drop me a note, and let's see if we can head off any problems before they start. Please, feel free to e-mail me with any questions or comments seeing as you can't edit for a while. Dan100 (Talk) 21:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Alternatively, drop me a line if someone's being an idiot about removing stuff like that. Not 3RR if the reverts are spread among multiple people.  ;) Rogue 9 00:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

emailed you back

check & see. :-) Tomer 10:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

User:AlMac| plagarized you

Hi. I been visiting pages of other people with lots of cool user boxes, and copying those I like the most. User:AlMac| 12:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Izehar's RfA

Hi Mistress,

My RfA

Hi MSK! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  

Pedophilia/Pederasty

I noticed that you have one of those user boxes where it says you are against censorship, and so am I. But I could not help being a bit amused by that in light of your attempted deletion of my notice on the GLBT board. It is neither fair nor true to conflate pedophilia with pederasty, and the last person I would expect that of is someone with a certain degree of sensitivity to gender issues, which you certainly seem to possess. If any disgreement remains between us on this topic and you wish to resolve it, please let me know. Haiduc 16:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

In countries where the legal age for homosexual sex is different than for the heterosexual, and so higher than the average age of consent worldwide, 16 years: I agree, that's unfair, is just pure discrimination. But a middle-aged man having sex with a boy who is under-age is no different than a middle-aged man having sex with a girl who is under-age. It's paedophilia. I'm not going to say it's any better just because it's the homosexual equivalent of "normal" pedophilia. It's still a middle-aged man having sex with a child.

Historical arguments are baseless: Humanity's done and allowed a LOT of stupid things, and stupidly not allowed many other things. That's just how it goes. Today we know better than to allow children to be molested by adults.

I'm quite appalled that you are in favour of sexual abuse of children and from your edits and very pro-active stance, maybe even a practioner of this. Let me guess, you're a member of the "Childlove movement"?--Mistress Selina Kyle 19:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I posted a reply on my page. Haiduc 21:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Again as above. You have completely misunderstood me. Haiduc 23:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Anarchy

Hi there. I'm not quite sure how I got to your user page, but I did. I'm glad you're my friend, and I'm also pleased that you don't use U.S. Customary units (meaning, I take it, that you prefer SI units, which begs the question of where you live). Anyway this rambling prolog, like your userpage, is fuelled by the secular consumption of alcohol, but still leads me to beg you to reconsider your stance on anarchism. I am with you in agreeing that anarchism as it is currently packaged by the extreme left will not work, because it's just YAPS (yet another political system) where someone's gonna be at the top and someone's gonna be at the bottom. Anarchy is, as I understand it, a system in which there is no government at all, and no politics. There is no top and no bottom. The hitch is that for such a system to work, every citizen must accept responsibility for the daily operation of the affairs of state, whatever those might represent in a government-free land. I believe anarchy is the best form of government because it offers the greatest number of freedoms to its citizenry. It is, however, the least attainable form, because it requires a degree of responsibility from each individual far beyond what modern humans can commit. Perhaps in a thousand years, we will have evolved to the point where we acept others as equals, where we accept the divergence of ideas, and where we are prepared to accept the huge responsibility which is required to live in a state where the only rules are those we set for ourselves. Denni ☯ 21:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

meow?

you sound hot mistress selina but i guess that goes without saying.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.249.17 (talk • contribs)

Speaking of Wikistalking

Kindly refrain from leaving nasty remarks on my talk page for other people. I don't care for it, and I think it's really quite nasty of you to do so. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm nice to nice people. --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Since when? :] --CBD _☎ 00:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

and you haven't produced a shred of evidence that i have stalked (that's a new one, what will it be next week? that i entered their home and robbed them?) or personally attacked either Karmafist or Phroziac, yet i have ample evidence of both from Karmafist and that it was at Phroziac's behest. facts are these pesky little things for the less-than-honest. and with WP, you can't delete the record and conveniently "forget". r b-j 00:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages policy requiresthat you be nice, or at least not nasty, to everyone. If you aren't willing to follow that rule, find another hobby. Kelly Martin (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure you wouldn't be attacking me like this if I didn't say that about someone in your own personal Wiki-clique. Funny how you ignore the various personal attacks he has made on others.

I'd support a motion for de-sysopping you. You seem like yet another admin that believes in nepotism while saying differently... --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

MSK, I sincerely doubt Kelly knows much of anything about Rbj beyond this recent fracas and the short-lived arbitration request. He certainly isn't in 'her Wiki-clique'. Think of it as a territorial thing... you brought a mess onto her talk page. Add to that the fact that univeral civility is supposed to be the rule and she's just making a mild warning. No reason for the claws to come out. --CBD _☎ 02:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm ok, seeing as I've never talked to her before it seemed different from the actions (or lack of them) and words, but never mind.

I hate how some people seem to get away with murder (generally, friends of admins, or members of WikiProjects that admins are in) around here but others are almost instantly banned. -_- Corruption is rife, but then that's human nature and inevitable in any bureaucracy. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got a problem with the 'flexibility' of standards too. Still, don't go looking for a conspiracy under every rock. --CBD _☎ 02:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User alcohol to Template:User alcoholic?

The point of the userbox was not to display that this person is or was an alcoholic, but to suggest that the person drank alcohol (as opposed to Coke, Pepsi, or the like). Will you please explain your reasoning behind this on my talk page? Thanks, Ian Manka 03:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

One other thing: I'd recommend looking into archiving your talk page: it is getting quite lengthy... instructions here. Ian Manka 04:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It was sort of sarcastic ... when you read... "This person drinks _____" userbox after userbox after userbox... it may get on your nerves, until you get to the bottom and you find something that makes you laugh like "This user drinks. Period." No "This User Drinks....", Just "This User Drinks." Thanks for your understanding and time. Ian Manka 04:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Liking things that go BANG

• Steals that userbox.* Bwahahahahaha. That's great. Rogue 9 07:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ad hominem remarks

Hi MSK, please tone down the comments you're making about other editors. Your edit summaries of e.g. "Revert vandalism by POV-warrior X," and "Stop fucking trying to censor every fucking thing that criticises Islam without even discussing," and comments on talk pages like "it's a blatant falsehood, and the fact that only Muslims are reverting really does show something" are not acceptable. Please concentrate only on content. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 20:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No matter how frustrated you feel, and no matter how right you may be about any particular edit, as soon as you post comments like that, you put yourself in the wrong, so it's in your own interests to focus on content. SlimVirgin 20:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

There's no point in going back and forth about it. Yuber's request that another editor look at the page is perfectly acceptable, and it's what we're supposed to do rather than continuing to revert. The bottom line is you have to stop insulting or otherwise commenting on editors, stop referring to people you disagree with as cliques, and in particular, you must stop commenting on people's ethnicity or religion, which incidentally you keep getting wrong. SlimVirgin 20:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I have not made ANY comments on peoples "ethnicity" so please don't start trying to label me as something I'm not. Incidentally, I'm not wrong about him being a Muslim, he pretty much admits it in an old version of his user page (I checked after he tried to half-deny it by saying "it doesn't say anywhere on my talk page that I am" without actually saying that he's not a follower of Islam -_- - damn sneakiness.)

You know full well what he means though. I've got more examples I can get if you want, he does this kind of thing all the time. It's not a "request to look at the article", it's a request to join him in revert warring. That's why he only leaves those kind of messages on other people in his clique of other Muslim editors..

Not that you care of course, he's your friend, and I've seen edits on your talk page where he goes to you to support him in edit wars too.

I'm consistently being followed around and harassed by a group of about 5 editors, all who happen to be Muslim, who remove anything that critises Islam.

Unfortunately not many other people that aren't Muslim seem to be interested in the content of these articles which lets people like this gang up on editors that dare to add material that conflicts with their religious/religion's point of view.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, MSK's removal of the text indicates that it has been read. That's all which is required. A user is under no obligation to leave a 3RR violation notice on their talk page. --CBD _☎ 21:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It is better to leave reference to a 3RR block on the talk page for the duration of the block in case another admin sees the violation, doesn't check the noticeboard, and blocks again, which I've seen happen a few times. That is why I restored it. SlimVirgin 21:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks CBD I appreciate that at least someone doesn't seem to be out to destroy any edit I make lately -_-

I notice you just blocked two of my friends, SlimVirgin:

Why is it ok for Yuber to get friends to help him in edit wars but not me?

Neither User:Countering systemic bias or User:Mr Data are me..

And I would like you to stop personally attacking me SlimVirgin by constantly calling me "he" just because you don't like that I stand up to your abusive, harassing, edit-warring friends. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Let me know the next time, i'll help you out either as a editor,as an admin(just not as both, and if it's as an admin, I might be tough on you too), or as somebody who knows other people who can help out. Trust me, you're not alone Selina. Just tell me where the issue is and i'll do what I can to help. karmafist 22:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

For the record, Yuber has apparently done this sort of 'calling in reinforcements for an edit war on Islamic articles' before and had an arbitration ruling and requests for enforcement on the issue - Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Admin_enforcement_requested#Yuber_Violation_of_RfAr. --CBD _☎ 02:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Fireman/Latex

I think fireman to go outside and get some fresh air haha

One wonders whether that would help. :-)--SarekOfVulcan 17:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:.

What missing pictures? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Where did I write that? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, are you talking about the Greek stuff I put on the bottom? (I actually don't speak a word of Greek). εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Καλά, τα ελληνικά είναι πάρα πολύ δύσκολο να μαθευτούν. Μιλώ ισπανικό και πορτογαλικά, αλλά κανένα ελληνικά! Μιλάτε τα ελληνικά? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, yes : ) εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

What I am trying to say: Here is a barnstar for being so kind! Spanish and Portuguese are wonderful languages, and very similar. Am I writing correctly? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

^χα.αχ^ --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Whitewalls blocked

I have blocked Whitewalls for 48 hours for vandalizing your user talk and user pages. David | Talk 01:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks --Mistress Selina Kyle 04:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

IRC logs

Please do not post public logs (or portions of logs, or conversations, etc.) of conversations on the wikipedia IRC channel. I've deleted the portion you posted on Kelly Martin's RFC (personally I don't care, but...) - if you restore it, I know several admins who would probably block you on sight for "trolling" or "privacy violation" or "being a jerk" or whatever...

Cheers! – ugen64 17:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

There's no rules about it: m:IRC channel quotes --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC

You might want to check out Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Snowspinner 3. Firebug 17:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Dyslexic wikipedians

Thanks for fixing the User dyslexic template to point to Category:Dyslexic Wikipedians. Should the old Category:User Dyslexic be removed entirely rather than being a redirect? --Pfafrich 21:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, probably but I don't think it really matters } --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Good to know there are others here that are aspies and like things that go bang. :) Jwissick 23:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Salute!

Take care, fellow bass-wielding punk rock warrior... ;) -- Cjmarsicano 00:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

'User freedom'

Hi Mistress Selina Kyle! I've contacted you before on the proposed deletion of the 'green wikipedians' category - perhaps you remember. Since then I saw you supporting the freedom of users to express their beliefs and (dis)likes using userboxes and other things on several places. I also noted your userbox against censorship. Therefore, I've awarded you a self-created barnstar. :) Perhaps you would be interested in this template {{user freedom}} and in this debate (Misplaced Pages:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes)? Regards, Larix 09:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Blood fetish

Regarding blood fetish: please don't suggest to people that:

- a common way of finding out whether a person would be safe to engage in bloodplay with is for them to go to their local blood donation organisation, who check blood if it is safe and contains no diseases before it will be stored.

Using a blood donation organization as a proxy STD test is highly irresponsible; if the testing is not 100% perfect (and in never is), and the person trying this is positive (and presumably anyone who is considering doing this considers this to be entirely possible), they will almost certainly (because of pre-test blood pooling, and the very large blood volumes involved) infect one or more unwitting third parties with a potentially lethal disease.

Instead, they should get tested at their local sexual health clinic. -- Karada 20:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the article or the subject of its concern, but I fail to see how saying "X does Y" constitutes an actual endorsement of Y. If such a method is indeed commonplace then, regardless of the advisability of such method for practitioners of said activity, it should be included as part of the article on that activity. Kurt Weber 22:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The question is, is it actually a 'common way' for people to test blood? Do we have a reliable source for such a claim? The wording would have to be amended anyway—even if tested at a blood donor clinic or–preferably–a public/sexual health clinic, there is no guarantee that the blood is 'safe'. Blood tests have a false negative rate, recent infections may not be detected, and there are some diseases transmitted by blood for which we do not have a lab test. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving all this to Talk:Blood fetish - hope no one minds but there's a similar discussion going on both at Karada's talk page and here, better to have it in one place methinks --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

People unjustly blocked?

Hi Selina. Just saw your (quickly deleted) remark on WP:AN/3RR#Snowspinner. If there's anyone who has been unjustly blocked, and that block still stands, leave me a message on my talk page and I'll look into it. -- SCZenz 00:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Two of those accounts, Morgan695 and Saveus, appear to have been single-use accounts that participated only in the current war. They're permablocked, and I think that's fair. The other two are unblocked, and were in fact blocked only briefly. -- SCZenz 02:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting!

That sockpuppet that was permablocked, User:Morgan695 is evidently unblocked now, and has been supporting User:Ec5618 in an edit war against me on Template:User Aspie: I think this definitely needs a sockpuppet check, although if they are using another IP address somehow.. :( --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Morgan695 is likely a reputable user as (s)he has been here over a year and has 1000+ edits Prodego 22:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

I will, if only because Kelly's trying once again to silence those who disagree with her. However, please just don't talk to them. You know as well as I am that they're not listening, and getting angry will just make you look bad. I know it's easy to say and hard to do, I've been in your shoes before, and I wish I could take it back. Just remember, Kelly wants you to get all angry and uncivil towards others so she can just dismiss you. karmafist 16:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Yeah, I realised that too: She knows I didn't personally attack Ambi, that's obvious: Just trying to wind me up so she can then play "I'm the good one, she's the angry nasty one".

I hate people like that... --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way even when people unblock my username for some reason my IP always gets blocked even though I don't log out, stopping me from editing with username even though that's unblocked, because the IP is blocked. (Special:Ipblocklist - #76164) No idea why, I use firefox 1.5 but no one seems to know what causes this --Mistress Selina Kyle 16:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It's the autoblock. I personally think that thing causes more trouble than its worth. Anyway, I don't know about you, but i'm trying my best to stay away from that IRC Channel personally, it's usually just a bunch of trolls and aristocrats trying to silence people they disagree with one way or another. karmafist 17:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle#IRC quotes - Never actually even been there haha. I've never seen any link to a "wikipedia chat room" so I guess it must be well-hidden

I just don't agree with this rampant censorship and bans like this just to stop people revealing facts that admins would rather not The People know.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Neither do I, kiddo. Me and Snowspinner got in a wheel war over what you're saying last night. At this rate, it's going to take alot more of this though before anything happens. Just be nice and keep to your principles and you'll be ok. karmafist 17:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Mkay - by the way I'm still blocked, dunno whether you meant to have done it or are just waiting - 's okay if you haven't done it yet, I got no way to tell which one it is --Mistress Selina Kyle 17:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

To Mistress Selina Kyle

Don't worry about being blocked, you're still new here and have the potential to become a good editor! --Sunfazer 22:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

sockpuppet

Ok, so you've stated that you aren't a sockpuppet or a returning user. I am prepared to present several pieces of evidence that will immediately contradict that undisputably. It would be much better if you would come forward and admit to any and all other accounts you have used, because nobody here is a fan of sockpuppets created to act in bad faith. You can either continue to be scrutinized or you can can admit that you've made mistakes and genuinely show that you're sorry. It's time to grow up. -- Netoholic @ 01:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

It'll be funny reading :) I know I'm not either, so go ahead making up "evidence" all you want. you could do with growing up yourself, I've seen the RfAR against you by other people for the huge amount of disruption with templates, you behave very childishly at times --Mistress Selina Kyle 01:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I hate to barge in, but if you've got evidence that she's a sockpuppet, either present it or shut up. Making hints about it without doing anything shows that you're either lying or grossly irresponsible. Rogue 9 01:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Please do not insert offensive images, false allegations and misused administrative categories on my talk page, thanks SlimVirgin. (bold is my emphasis) Could you please elaborate what is meant by this? Thanks. El_C 02:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

And this rv Slimvirgin , too. Thanks again. El_C 02:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Fact is I would like her and her abusive friends to leave me along and stop stalking me --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that dosen't at all respond to my querry. El_C 02:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what you are saying to everything.. it seems pointless even trying to talk to you --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

In terms of an admin looking into it, I'm afraid that isn't optional; though feel free to request any other admin to look into. Until you do, you will have to better explain yourself. I asked what was meant by rv Slimvirgin, but regretfuly I found your answer to have been unclear at best, and evasive at worst. Thanks once again. El_C 02:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't get what the actual problem is.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Then we definitely have a problem. If you are unable to explain what was meant by rv Slimvirgin, which implies you were reverting her, I will be forced to draw rather unfavourable conclusions. El_C 02:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

What, that I was reverting her (or her friends') sockpuppets? Stop trying to intimidate and being so passive-aggressive towards me. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you find my tone to be passive-aggressive, such is not my intention. Irrespectively, though, and in answer to your question, you seem to have been claiming that the vandal ip was her, specifically. But you have no concrete evidence to support this. I remain open and willing to examine any and all pertinent evidence, but the effort must be reciprocal. El_C 03:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, I can't check the details

It's funny how it's ok for her to accuse my friends of being sockpuppets and block without proof but as soon as she herself gets accused it's suddenly all serious --Mistress Selina Kyle 03:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not familliar with the case/s of your "friends" blocked as or accused of being sockpuppets. Again, I will need to be made privy to the pertinent diffs to comment. El_C 03:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I know that the people you are calling my "friends" want to be left alone by you, so if you stop doing anything that makes them think you are stalking them (which is what it currently looks like), I'm fairly certain you'll hear nothing more from them. And I don't edit using anon IPs. SlimVirgin 02:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

You and Slim(and others, but let's start with Slim)

Ok, you guys are invited to here, hopefully I can step in as a third party and settle this. karmafist 05:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The new incarnation of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kelly Martin - also, userboxes?

Dear Selina: To be perfectly honest with you, I'm quite ashamed that I've participated in this fist-fight (and been so roundly arrogant) regardless of whose side I'm on, and I'm starting to get a bit worn out of it. Incidentally, you've persevered well on it, although I think I lack the energy to have anything else to do with the wretched affair. However, here's my last penny's worth: I know that I suppose the RfC shouldn't be about the userboxes, but to face facts the admin conduct issues and the userboxes are inexorably entwined, and indeed the RfC itself makes no distinction between the two issues. Thus, as a consequence, I disagree that all matters regarding the userboxes should go to the proposed userbox policy, since there clearly are further conduct-related issues which need addressing. However, I'll leave you to it, and won't revert again. :) I hope any injuries that you sustained through this ordeal, regardless of whose hands they were caused by, will heal in time; I am certain mine will. All the best, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 09:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I posted on Jimbo's Talk page a suggestion that if his time permits, he read The Mythical Man-Month because I believe there are project management insights there that apply to the inter-communication challenges of Wiki dispute resolution. The size of his admin staff seems to me to be larger than the IBM staff described in the book, and even more in need of scientifically designed inter-personal infrastructures. User:AlMac| 10:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you seem nice

I'm sure there's loads of stuff we don't agree about (I researched you a bit, I admit it), but I find myself not only agreeing with you regarding recent particulars, but also coming under the impression that your a nice person. Thank you, Sam Spade 09:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks } - Yeah I just really don't like it when people throw about Misplaced Pages policy shortcuts while hypocritically insulting people and insulting people by saying they're "pissing on people" etc --Mistress Selina Kyle 09:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, ambi is friends w Kelly Martin as far as I know. I'd be a downright monster of someone was going after my friend, esp. w/o reason (which is how she see's things, I fear). Fierce loyalty is something I can respect, but deleting / refactoring honest attempts at communication while citing irrelevant policy... that sort of thing tells me the wiki has far too many of the wrong admins. Sam Spade 09:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Things

The only way we'll stop the Kelly Martins of Misplaced Pages and the Kelly Martin mindset is by being nice, sticking together, standing for what we believe in, and inviting others to join us. If we are alone, the best we can hope for is both sides losing.

Slim Virgin sent me an e-mail asking me if there was a way to resolve things in regards with you, and I told her it had directly to do with the Kelly Martin's attempts to censor and intimidate others and defy any known policies and guidelines to achieve her goals.

Slim Virgin may never agree with you,with us, but if she can respect you, that would deal a huge blow to Kelly. Regardless of our opinions, we all have to stick together against actions such as hers, or it'll just continue. karmafist 12:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

If you are being unduly harrassed by Kelly Martin or anyone else, please let me know. Also, I would like to second karmafist's advice. You'll win a lot more battles by taking the high ground then by getting into slugging matches. Sometimes being respected is just as important as being right. Kaldari 17:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Username

Your...username... It sounds familiar, like I've heard it somewhere before in the past.. Is it based of a famous person's..? Just curious, as I am somwhat intriqued. Nice to meet you, BTW. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Selina Kyle --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's where it was from. I remember now. Nice username, btw, its catchy, and sticks in my head. I may just strike up conversation on your talkpage now just because I can't get it out of my head. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 20:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned Comment

When replacing an unsigned comment with the unsigned tag, leave the timestamp as it is important to know the context in which a comment was written. Pepsidrinka 20:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC) P.s. You talk page is >150 kb, you may want to consider archiving.

Oops yeah, sorry: I completely forgot about that part - on my way to change it now unless it already has been --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:User_userbox_purge

Oh Mistress! :-P

I don't know if you've noticed, but the userbox purge template had been protected deleted. As far as I know this hasn't actually gone through TfD (correct me if I'm wrong), but I was wondering if you'd trek over to the talk page and help me gat a debate going. Tom 19:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Cold Fusion RfC

Hello,

There's currently a controversy at Cold fusion that I would appreciate it if you could look at. The article is about to fail a Featrued Article Removal Candidate vote. There are at least 3 fairly different versions in play: one based on the original Featured Article dating back to 2004-08-20 and tossing out all edits between now and then ("FA version"), one which was the current version up until that ("current version"), and a proposed new draft written originally by Edmund Storms (a retired Los Alamos scientist) and edited by me ("Storms version"). At the moment the article is being rather agressively edited by a few people who support the version from a year ago, and if this stands, a lot of good material will be lost. Frankly, I can't entirely support any of the versions; the article just needs more work and more different perspectives. Hence this invitation. I hope you can help.

I'm posting this to you because I've seen you on various physics-related pages, and/or because you've worked on the Cold fusion page before. Thank you for your time.

ObsidianOrder 06:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility Unit

Misplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility Unit is a new wiki-project I have thought up. I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea and if you wanted to join up. I need some users backing me before I construct a wikiproject, and you seem to share my views on subjects such as concensus, civilty, etc. Reply on my talkpage if you're interested. Thanks, -MegamanZero|Talk

I think I already saw something like that with another name (was it the one that had something to do with firefighting?) --cesarb 19:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Scientology

Template:User Suppressive

This user supports Operation Clambake.

Enjoy. Rogue 9 07:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Name

Actually.... — Seven Days » talk 18:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocked user (SuperButchBitch)

I've replied on WP:AN, so I'll wait for comments from other admins. NSLE _(T+C) 12:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh, and I'd appreciate if you didn't sign my name when I did not make any such post; perhaps next time you could mention the blocking admin's name, but sign as yourself... NSLE _(T+C) 12:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

k sorry, I was in a rush (in hopes they'd see the message before possibly never coming back) and didn't think about it much --Mistress Selina Kyle 12:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

User/user

Hi - I noticed you've been going round the location pages altering the readable link to read "user" rather than "User". We agreed in the below discussion that all boxes should be illustrated with a capital - obviously you might not have noticed that given all the other nonsense that's been going on. Anyway, just thought I'd bring it to your attention. I've reverted any of the pages that were on my watchlist.

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Userboxes/Archive 2#User or user?

Cheers, Deano (Talk) 18:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't know about that conversation, sorry. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation

Thanks for inviting me to join the world citizen group. Greetings. T6435bm 00:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Res

Hello, Mistress. Are you being nosy going through my personal messages and telling me that I am rude? The utter cheek of it! I was conversing with FayssalF in his langue maternelle, how is that bad? In my opinion, he/she who uses profane words and/or phrases (such as f*ck) is rude. Care to comment ;-) Izehar 11:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

PS no one else seems to have a problem with it. Izehar 11:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Discworld Aspies

Great minds think alike, I suppose. ;) - User:Asarelah

From User:Staecker

Quite a note on my talk page. I've responded there, in case you're not watching. Happy to hear your reply, if you'd like to.

And I hope you don't mind if I remove your welcome note. I've been here a little while, and I cleaned out my first one (dated March 2005) a couple of months ago. Staecker 21:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Logo

Thanks for finding the Black Mesa logo! 'ppreciate it :-) Rusty2005 21:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

However well intentioned...

I think your revision of {{User antiracist}} was wrongheaded and mean. First of all, please read the entry for Malcolm X: he fell out of the Black Muslim movement (long before it became popularly known as the Nation of Islam), and was purged from that group because of his uncompromising approach toward racism (e.g., the "chickens coming home to roost" comments, condemning Kennedy as the racist who had aided the assassination of Patrice Lumumba). Then later, in turn, the NOI had Malcolm assassinated. I should also mention, Louis Farrakhan has always been suspected of being of that group (in the Black Muslim movement) that had Malcolm assassinated.

Second, to clear Malcolm X's honor: he wanted black freedom and independence, not simplistic "separatism." Equating that to apartheid is disingenuous - especially when apartheid's greatest fighter (Nelson Mandela) himself cites Malcolm X as an inspiration!

Last, while I respect the group for its work, I dislike linking the template to Anti-Racist Action. This is a group that, as its area of focus, tends to prioritize organizing better minded whites to confront white supremacists. Racism on Misplaced Pages, on the other hand, is not just a matter of white supremacist vandals; it's also about systemic racial bias, such as using the "white" take on history as the authoritative one. And I find, as a person of color myself, it's also about a certain timidity to address the problem by people of color on Misplaced Pages.

So I'm reverting the userbox back. Feel free to make your own "Member of" or "Supporter of" style userbox, but I feel strongly that my take was the correct one. --Daniel 21:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

hmmz ok. But some of the things he preached and said were quite racist themselves (for example, a quote from the Nation of Islam articl: "Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to black people."), and I don't agree with racism for any race/ethnicity/colour - personally I think we're all human beings and the amount of Melanin in skin should be completely irrelevant in how people treat each other (see Category:Wikipedians with World Citizenship, which I created) --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, I'd point out that even if Malcolm said that while in the Black Muslim movement, he was purged from that group and subsequently revised several of his beliefs. Overall, this was a man who was dynamic to a great degree, starting from the time he was a intelligent kid to when he turned to a life of crime, to when he cleaned up to become a leader in the Black Muslims, to when he left the Black Muslims and became an independent thinker. It's a very big mistake to take statements from early in his life to mean his overall beliefs. To leave you with a statement from late in his life (1964):

"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."

--Daniel 22:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok I will leave it as it is then.. that's a much better quote to hear } --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Christian Hedonism

Um, thanks. Have you read John Piper? I actually had thought about writing an article about it. (Or, were you kidding when you said that, meaning that hedonism+Christianity couldn't go together?)--ViolinGirl 22:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Well, thanks for your confidence in me (that I could write an article worthy to be in Misplaced Pages). Maybe I will someday. And regarding your comment about Christianity and Hedonism going together, the main crux of Christian Hedonism is God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in Him. I can't explain it that well in a short note like this, but if you read anything by John Piper, you would understand what I'm saying. Cheers!--ViolinGirl 22:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Homophobia by others

There is a vote here where some users to try to overturn WP categorisation policy (whereby categories and subcategories cannot be placed on the same page) and force a subcategory (LGBT organisations) onto the North American Man/Boy Love Association page. Some of the comments made are distinctly homophobic and rather disturbing. Personally it gives me the creeps even mentioning NAMBLA but your vote on the issue would be welcome. FearÉIREANN\ 22:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I will as soon as I can, that sounds pretty nasty, and I agree that paedophilia movements shouldn't be classified as "LGBT organisations" definitely --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Aspie

I have noticed a large number of reverts going on at this page, and would like to help you resolve this dispute. First of all, I am not an administrator, however I know some administrators who would be able to help if this situation got out of hand. I would like to know the reason you reverted to the template with 14pt text. What about this is better then the 10pt text? Not just that it's ok as is, but why 14pt font is actually better.

Prodego 23:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

In addition, going through your edit history revealed this edit. That edit is rather disturbing, seeing how Ec5618 clearly had no intention other then to try to make the template look better. Could you explain your reasoning? Prodego 13:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Disturbing"? are you taking the piss? It seems the truth:

: "I have no interest in this template, but I really don't like your attitude"

He's just trying to annoy me and others. He doesn't use the template himself, he has no reason to be editing a large amount of other people's user pages just because he doesn't like how it looks --20:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Ec5618 tells me that (s)he thought the template would look better if (s)he changed it(which may or may not be true), and after you reverted his(her) changes the first time (s)he assumed you made a mistake. Note (s)he only made the comment about your attitude after you called him(her) a "nutjob". Please remember to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks while editing. Also, I do not understand, how changing a template format shows a dislike of the category of people it represents. These were minor edits, there was(as far as I can see) no vandalistic intentions on either side. It is also fine to use <includeonly></includeonly> in a user box, in fact I believe most user boxes are written that way. Prodego 21:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

There's no reason for the text to be smaller is the thing. I like it that way and no one else using the template seems to have a problem wtih it either, only user:Ec5618.

Also, it seems HIGHLY likely Morgan695 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) is Ec5618 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)'s sockpuppet, see here: #People unjustly blocked? I only just noticed this, maybe a sockpuppet check should be made.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Actually it's highly unlikely, see here, Morgan is clearly a reputable user. Also note here and here and see the vastly different editing styles. You'll see both users have been here over a year. Also both users have 1000+ edits. Prodego 21:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Two of those accounts, Morgan695 and Saveus, appear to have been single-use accounts that participated only in the current war. They're permablocked, and I think that's fair." SCZenz (talk · contribs)

How can a permablocked user edit? And who would set up a sockpuppet months in advance? Prodego 22:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Well someone must've un-permablocked the account.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

In any case as I already said:

He's just trying to annoy me and others. He doesn't use the template himself, he has no reason to be editing a large amount of other people's user pages just because he doesn't like how it looks

I already made it clear that I thought it was fine as it is however he continued to revert me just because of his own personal preferences: When he's not even using it: Essentially he is editing other peoples' user pages because he doesn't like the way they look and wants them to look the way he likes.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• That is no longer the point. The question is what is wrong with Ec5618's edit? Why did you revert it the first time? Prodego 22:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I already said. What don't you understand? I already made it clear that I thought it was fine as it is however he continued to revert me just because of his own personal preferences: When he's not even using it: Essentially he is editing other peoples' user pages because he doesn't like the way they look and wants them to look the way he likes.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

But that is not in violation of any rules, all users may edit all pages in Misplaced Pages, are you claiming some type of ownership of the template? Whether you like it better one way or another isn't the only thing to be cosidered. If you perfered the old version better, you should have explained why to Ec5618 on his(her) talk page right before or after reverting. If an argument ensued, you could have worked it out on the user box talk page. Prodego 22:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I explained in the edit summary that it was fine as it was (and he saw this, because he replied in similar messages in edit summaries) but he chose to ignore me and carry on reverting, citing "standardization".

I'm not "claiming ownership" please don't put his arguments as words into my mouth, the fact that you seem to ardently support him is beginning to make me think this conversation is pointless.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Why didn't you try to work it out on the talk page? Prodego 22:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Because I already explained that there was no reason to change it against his bullying "standardization" arguments and he was already ignoring me: Taking the same conversation to the talk page or his talk page wouldn't have made any difference, in the history you can see clearly he had no intention of changing his mind.. I left the message to Rogue 9 after he the repeated reverts of him trying to enforce his own personal faux-"standardization" on the template --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• Did you ever say why you liked the 14pt font version better? Prodego 22:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I said it looked fine as it is if that's what you mean: simply no reason to make it smaller

also "Aspie" is definitely preference to "Asp" as he did in one edit --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• I agree that Aspie is better, and as far as I know no reason to 'standardize' the userbox either. However I find the 10pt font easier to read and the light blue font color almost unreadable. However Ec5618 was presumaibly acting in good faith. You never explained why aspie is better(I know this), or why the 14pt was better(still no idea). Prodego 22:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I just think it looks better, it looks better big, and presumably the large amount of people who added it to their user pages in its present form have no problem with it either otherwise they wouldn't use it -_-   --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• That's is a good reaon, please explain this to Ec5618here so we can end this dispute. Prodego 22:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Copy-and-paste moves

While copy-and-paste moves are not recommended, they are not considered vandalism. --cesarb 00:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

hmm ok. --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your message on my talk

What does the fact that it's "not a real religion" have anything to do with it? It's still a stupid attack on contributors, potential contributors, and a large group of people, and as such has no place on Misplaced Pages.--Sean|Black 08:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not an "attack" on anything but the religion itself, no one has to be a cultist, it's their own choice :p

Well, although if they leave they will probably be hunted down and have criminal activities and slander constantly made about them..: Suppressive Person, Office of Special Affairs, Operation Snow White (aka Operation Whitewash) --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Scientology / appalling / me

My goal was not to get the template deleted "out of process". My question was why does a different process get taken for the Jewish one than the Scientology one. Undeletion would have worked. It should be uniform process O_O! gren グレン 10:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Scientology is not a religion in nearly all countries, America is the exception, not the rule: Misplaced Pages is not Americipedia --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 20:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your constructive comments on my request for bureaucratship.

I forgot about that entirely >_<

Looking at the comments it looks like you do actually deserve it, I'll remove my "oppose" vote in a bit:

What I was referring to however was your deletion of a the WP:RFC/KM template while TFD was still in process with no consensus which well, wasn't exactly good admin behaviour :¦   --Mistress Selina Kyle 22:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Please don't remove your objection - it was valid at the time and I would prefer the discussion to remain as a true archive of the process. As an aside however the tfd for WP:RFC/KM hadn't commenced when I deleted that page - the full series of events is detailed in response to OwenX's objection. -- Francs2000 22:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)