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Hey Barkeep! Let's coordinate! I just got an edit conflict with one of your Newbery articles. Which ones do you want me to work on? Shall we split by decades? Joyous! | Talk 16:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Or, since you seem to be trucking along pretty fast, would it be better if I came in behind you and expanded the articles a bit? Joyous! | Talk 16:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I have a pretty decent reference book here for books up through 2000. I can come along behind you and add a sentence or two of detail to the articles. Joyous! | Talk 16:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

While doing my job as a new article patroller, I have noticed that you and Joyous! are creating several articles about Newbery winners. I am sure there are some in the Misplaced Pages community that would feel that the list of recipients in the Newbery Medal article is sufficient and that each book having its own article is overkill and not encyclopedic. For now, I am going to indicate that each new article has been patrolled, on the basis that each book article should be improved in the future to include at least a basic story line. That is the kind of information our Misplaced Pages users would be looking for, and that is why we are all here, isn't it. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 18:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

• Good luck to both of you creating these stubs, and good luck turning them into articles. This is useful stuff! Drmies (talk) 18:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

In the future, would you please use the {{Reflist}} template instead of the <References /> tag in the Reference section. Usage of the template is preferred and has several advantages. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Deutscher Jugendliteraturpreis assessment

I just wanted to thank you for assessing the article Deutscher Jugendliteraturpreis after a long wait on the Articles for Assessment list. Thank you for your comments, which have been very helpful as I have recently updated and extended the article. The only querie I had was about your third point: formatting the article into a table. While I can see some of the benefits of this, I am not sure how it could be implemented in this particular context. Do you have any suggestions? strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 22:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Categories

Just an FYI - were you aware of Category:Newbery Honor winners (book)? Might be useful to you.

Happy editing, and keep up the good work! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 00:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure and it's my pleasure - happy new year! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer

Hello, and thanks for your contributions. Just so you know, I nominated you for the autoreviewer permission at requests for permissions because you have been creating a significant of valid stubs and seem to have a solid understanding of what is acceptable content at Misplaced Pages. This will help out new page patrollers like myself by preventing your articles from appearing in the "unpatrolled" queue. If you do not want this permission for any reason, you may want to check WP:RFPERM and leave a comment. Thanks for your contributions! --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 01:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Children's Literature Roll Call

Hello Barkeep49! WikiProject Children's literature is currently holding our second annual roll call. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure which editors are still interested in the project. If you still consider yourself to be an active member of the project, please move your name to the Active Members list. If you no longer are interested in this project, please move your name to the Former Members list, and you will no longer receive messages regarding this project.

Reliable source

It is hard to say whether a source is reliable without knowing what it is and what the context is. The best place to ask is at the the reliable sources noticeboard. The best source for an award is generally the website of the award or the awarding organisation or a newspaper or magazine report of the award. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured list removal candidates/All-NBA Team/archive1

You said a few days ago that there had been "there has been substantial improvement to the list". Could you clarify (on the FLRC page) whether this means you think the list can be kept at FL status or whether there are more issues? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Assessments

Thanks for your message and thanks for the tip. -- James26 (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Carrie Jones

And here I almost thought you didn't like the article. As for DYK, I actually tried submitting there the other day. I was told that I'd done something wrong in the process. I'd never submitted anything there before (or even heard of DYK really), so I didn't much know what I was doing. Anyway, I appreciate your kind words about the article. I certainly did research and revise it for about 12 hours, non-stop, so it's nice to hear that from someone. Now I have to figure out how to keep the image around... Thanks again. -- James26 (talk) 12:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. What is this DYK thing for exactly? I know it has something to do with the main page, but I'm simply not all that familiar with it. -- James26 (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Got it. I've attempted to contact the author for permission to release the image freely. It'll be nice to keep that around. I appreciate your efforts to bring the article recognition. Thanks. -- James26 (talk) 14:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for everything you did regarding DYK. -- James26 (talk) 04:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject tagging

I know you are trying to organise bot tagging of categories for WikiProject Children's Literature, so I thought I should let you know here that I have just adapted the Category I mentioned into a list of possible Categories to include (please see User:Strdst grl/sandbox). While there are probably other categories which could be included, I thought I would suggest this as a reasonable starting point. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 11:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Or alternatively you could just submit Category:Children's literature and all its sub-categories. But quite a few of them are irrelevant, and would have to be checked by hand - although probably so are a few of the categories I have listed. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 11:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

At the moment, 'Unsure' generally means I need to check precisely what the category name is referring to before I am certain it fits in the project. As for using this as the main list or not, I don't mind, but I will keep checking through it and if you want to add any categories, feel free to do so. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 10:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you still interested in organising this? Because I've got plenty of time on my hands at the minute, so I would be happy to take over the organisation part. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 14:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Clive King

Wow! That was swift, thanks!--Plad2 (talk) 21:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Could you have another look at this, please? I've added a proper, authoritative reference (from 20th Century Children's Writers) and more detail to the background. Would be posible to expand something on King's writing influences but I think this is something I will come back to at a later date.--Plad2 (talk) 17:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Peter Sis - help with references

I notice you are a wiz with citations and references. I have added more content to this page but find that I'm referencing the same source several times over, which is creating a long reflist. I wondered whether you might feel like helping me fix this. Don't worry if you don't have time - I will work it out eventually myself.--Plad2 (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on this. I understand the general point that a subject's own website may be suspect as a source of info in many cases. In this case I don't think it is but I will try to find some alternatives. Pity about the press releases. I thought since they came from the publisher, they might be as acceptable as a information on the publisher's website.--Plad2 (talk) 07:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Um. Just read the policy on citations and, unless I'm misunderstanding something, it says "Never use...websites...unless written or published by the subject" and refers to WP:SELFPUB criteria in the section below. Since the biog from the author's website has "copyright 2002-2008 Peter Sis" at the bottom, it appears that he has written the piece himself and so it does pass the criteria. There is no reasonable doubt about its authenticity, for instance. Re the Press releases. Since they come from the publisher, don't they count as a third party publication and therefore the biograpghical information within them can be treated as reliable (also in the Using the subject as a self-published source policy section?--Plad2 (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the key word in the 4th criterion is "primarily", which I take to mean "mainly", so it seems that it's the proportion of the references which rely upon this source which matters. And I agree, I probably have used that source primarily. So to fix this situation, one would have to find alternative sources which make the same point, or find more references for other points so that the proportion which relied upon the author's website diminishes to less than half - at which point, the author's website ceases to be the primary source. An interesting wrinkle. I'll try to come back to this in due course but in the meantime, I'm going to finish tidying up the awards on the Sis page and then get back to the unloved pages on the unreferenced BLP pages. Thank you for your help.--Plad2 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Not as far as I know - at least, not a project-specific one, although I've given out a few generic ones for work on the project. Why - do you think we should have one? I considered making one in the past, but I'm not great with images... strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 21:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer Armstrong

There now seems to be a page for the children's author Jennifer Armstrong which doesn't seem to be the one you were thinking of creating as per your post on the Children's Literature Project page on 8 Feb. It's carrying an "Advert" tag and clearly needs some work. I'll take it off my list of possible PRODs.--Plad2 (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Message from WikiProject Children's literature

I have recently proposed some extensive changes to the layout of project pages in WikiProject Children's literature. The changes can be viewed in my sandbox, and are summarised on this talk page. The proposed changes include major reformatting of the main project page, the creation of five new project sub-pages, and moves to two existing sub-pages. Please look over these proposals, and join the discussion. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 10:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Newbery Honor Books

I notice that User talk:Mhjohns has recently created a number of single line pages for several Newbery Honor books. I believe you have expressed an interest in this area previously and I thought you might like to know.--Plad2 (talk) 07:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Jack Gantos

The reason I assessed this as Stub class was essentially because there are no inline references, and very few references at all. Plus, the plot summary section, which makes up most of the article, is overly detailed, needs wikifying, lacks encyclopedic tone and occasionally makes very little sense, for example: "The first night he chose a bed against the wall, but a hand woke him up and the disturbing things said kept Jack in constant fear the whole time he was there, because of the unusual level of violence in his environment that he wasn't prepared for, and he's never forgotten it."

Also, there are a lot of redlinks for an article which has so few links in total. I still think the article is a good quality stub, but at least one of these problems needs to be fixed before I could call it a Start - mostly the referencing. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 17:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree that a Start class article can be expected to lack references, but it does need to "provide enought references to establish verifiability". There are exactly 5 sources or external links in the article: two are to books which I am unable to check out, two are dead links to websites no longer existing and the one remaining is to the author's own website. I don't think that establishes verifiability. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 14:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Articles for Assessment

Got your message. Understood. I'll leave the articles I find for you and Stardust to pick up. Part of the reason I was adding them to the list was to draw them to the attention of other people in the project who might take a fancy to doing something about them. But if you don't think that's a sensible thing to do, then I'll stop. One less step is no bad thing when grubbing around in the dregs of the unreferenced BLPs.--Plad2 (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The 22 Letters

I notice that you've sent this article to AfD, which I will support (since I did the PROD). I wonder whether it would be acceptable to merge the content with the Clive King article first - and then delete the page. I've just read the AfD guidelines and it seems that this sort of action is frowned upon during an AfD. I don't think the book is notable enough for a redirect rather than a deletion but I think there is no harm in keeping the content and using it to flesh out the rather thin Clive King page. I'm new to these processes and thought I would explore this thought with you first rather than just adding it to the public AfD discussion.--Plad2 (talk) 08:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)