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| == Dubious and incorrect statements == | |||
| There are a number of dubious and/or clearly incorrect statements in the article, not all attributed to ]. Here's a fine example: | |||
| * ''Two-thirds of the lands of Sharafat were confiscated in 1970 and granted to the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund), and much of Sharafat was renamed Kibbutz Gilo after the establishment of that Israeli settlement there in 1973. Non-Jews cannot live in Gilo.'' | |||
| All the statements presented here range from dubious to ridiculous. The statement is attributed to a primary source of unclear notability (Seriously? A comedian?), which does not satisfy WP:RS. | |||
| * ''Two-thirds of the lands of Sharafat were confiscated in 1970 and granted to the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund)'' – dubious. This statement might be true, but it's not clear why the Israeli government would hand over land to the JNF that was intended from the start for an urban neighborhood. | |||
| * ''much of Sharafat was renamed Kibbutz Gilo after the establishment of that Israeli settlement there in 1973'' – aside from the statement that it was renamed "Kibbutz Gilo" (Flatland was renamed to State of Sphereland?), it is not correct to say that Sharafat was "renamed" to Gilo—rather, Gilo was built on lands allegedly belonging to Sharafat (probably true, but such a statement cannot be attributed to a primary source). There is also no evidence that Gilo was ever a kibbutz, and this is probably incorrect. Lastly, the notion that it's a "settlement" is disputed. | |||
| * ''Non-Jews cannot live in Gilo.'' – completely ridiculous claim that has no basis in reality. There are no Arabs in Gilo because they have no reason to wish to live there, just like there are no Jews in Umm al-Fahm. | |||
| Other problems (keep in mind that these are just from a skim-through, not a careful examination of the article which will likely present more problems): | |||
| * ''the village came to form part of Israel's Jerusalem District.'' – misleading; it became part of the Jerusalem Municipality, which is part of the Jerusalem District. The sentence as it stands now appears to contradict itself. | |||
| * ''the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) carried out a raid, collectively punishing the village, because it was "thought to be a base for infiltrators who had committed acts of sabotage or murder in Israel."'' – attributed to Morris; I am guessing it's the book ''Border Wars'', but the article doesn't say. Where am I supposed to look? The language is also full of polemic and offers no actual information. I am guessing that it serves as a summary for the rest of the section, but in actuality it just seems like an extra sentence to highlight that the IDF are bad. It says that the IDF "thought" that it was a base for infiltrators, while in the next sentence it implies that it ''was'' a base for an infiltration. Which is correct? | |||
| * The two sections, 1948–1967 and 1967 and afterwards, are just collections of specific incidents which don't actually tell anything important about Sharafat (I have fixed the title of one section). This is clear undue weight, especially a fairly large paragraph about a specific family in the "1967 and after" section. The information about the comedian Ray Hanania is also undue weight. | |||
| * Ref formatting problems – some refs are difficult to read or unreadable. | |||
| Again, this is just a very brief read-through, I haven't had much time to go over the article in depth. I will report more problems if they are found. —] <sup>(])</sup> 12:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Dubious and incorrect statements
There are a number of dubious and/or clearly incorrect statements in the article, not all attributed to reliable secondary sources. Here's a fine example:
- Two-thirds of the lands of Sharafat were confiscated in 1970 and granted to the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund), and much of Sharafat was renamed Kibbutz Gilo after the establishment of that Israeli settlement there in 1973. Non-Jews cannot live in Gilo.
All the statements presented here range from dubious to ridiculous. The statement is attributed to a primary source of unclear notability (Seriously? A comedian?), which does not satisfy WP:RS.
- Two-thirds of the lands of Sharafat were confiscated in 1970 and granted to the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund) – dubious. This statement might be true, but it's not clear why the Israeli government would hand over land to the JNF that was intended from the start for an urban neighborhood.
- much of Sharafat was renamed Kibbutz Gilo after the establishment of that Israeli settlement there in 1973 – aside from the statement that it was renamed "Kibbutz Gilo" (Flatland was renamed to State of Sphereland?), it is not correct to say that Sharafat was "renamed" to Gilo—rather, Gilo was built on lands allegedly belonging to Sharafat (probably true, but such a statement cannot be attributed to a primary source). There is also no evidence that Gilo was ever a kibbutz, and this is probably incorrect. Lastly, the notion that it's a "settlement" is disputed.
- Non-Jews cannot live in Gilo. – completely ridiculous claim that has no basis in reality. There are no Arabs in Gilo because they have no reason to wish to live there, just like there are no Jews in Umm al-Fahm.
Other problems (keep in mind that these are just from a skim-through, not a careful examination of the article which will likely present more problems):
- the village came to form part of Israel's Jerusalem District. – misleading; it became part of the Jerusalem Municipality, which is part of the Jerusalem District. The sentence as it stands now appears to contradict itself.
- the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) carried out a raid, collectively punishing the village, because it was "thought to be a base for infiltrators who had committed acts of sabotage or murder in Israel." – attributed to Morris; I am guessing it's the book Border Wars, but the article doesn't say. Where am I supposed to look? The language is also full of polemic and offers no actual information. I am guessing that it serves as a summary for the rest of the section, but in actuality it just seems like an extra sentence to highlight that the IDF are bad. It says that the IDF "thought" that it was a base for infiltrators, while in the next sentence it implies that it was a base for an infiltration. Which is correct?
- The two sections, 1948–1967 and 1967 and afterwards, are just collections of specific incidents which don't actually tell anything important about Sharafat (I have fixed the title of one section). This is clear undue weight, especially a fairly large paragraph about a specific family in the "1967 and after" section. The information about the comedian Ray Hanania is also undue weight.
- Ref formatting problems – some refs are difficult to read or unreadable.
Again, this is just a very brief read-through, I haven't had much time to go over the article in depth. I will report more problems if they are found. —Ynhockey 12:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
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