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| This case initially focused on the issue of pro-TM editors in or around Fairfield, Iowa. It is beginning to broaden, and I'm beginning to think that {{user|Uncreated}}, a pro-TM SPA apparently not from the Fairfield area, should probably be included as well. His most recent edit was just a month ago, so he's still active. Any objections? <b>] ] </b> 07:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | This case initially focused on the issue of pro-TM editors in or around Fairfield, Iowa. It is beginning to broaden, and I'm beginning to think that {{user|Uncreated}}, a pro-TM SPA apparently not from the Fairfield area, should probably be included as well. His most recent edit was just a month ago, so he's still active. Any objections? <b>] ] </b> 07:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :I was thinking that as well. At the COIN archive] Uncreated said: ''Gordonofcartoon my affiliation is that I participate at the Auckland University SIMS club (Students International Meditation Society) as a keen practitioner of Transcendental Meditation...I started editing the article because I felt that it was in need of improvement.--Uncreated (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)''. Don't know what "participate" is supposed to mean. ] (]) 15:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | :I was thinking that as well. At the COIN archive] Uncreated said: ''Gordonofcartoon my affiliation is that I participate at the Auckland University SIMS club (Students International Meditation Society) as a keen practitioner of Transcendental Meditation...I started editing the article because I felt that it was in need of improvement.--Uncreated (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)''. Don't know what "participate" is supposed to mean. ] (]) 15:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::I object. If we add Uncreated we would also need to add Woonpton and several other occasional but recent TM article editors.--<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 21:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Statements from uninvolved editors prior to case being opened
Statement by Durova
As filing party on the two most recent Scientology arbitrations, agreeing with Will Beback's assessment. Unlike the recent Chabad Movement case which was a content dispute with no tangible evidence of conflict of interest, this time technical evidence links a large number of accounts to a very narrow set of IP addresses.
The fact that these happen to be small religious/spiritual movements is relevant only to the extent that a firm distinction deserves to be expressed: adherence to a belief system does not in itself generate conflict of interest. Individual adherents of belief systems--old or new, large or small--are all welcome to edit Misplaced Pages and need not fear sanction when they edit in accordance with policies.
It does, however, generate a conflict of interest to edit from organizational computers and Internet connections. That holds equally true for spiritual organizations, manufacturing firms, political parties, etc. Whenever a large number of accounts appear to be editing with the same organizational WP:COI toward the same promotional goals, and normal community attempts to curb that behavior fail, we should respond with equivalent and appropriate firmness no matter who they are. Durova 20:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Statement by Sole Soul
SirFozzie, imagine a judge say what you've said before hearing from all the parties. I'm sure you will be open minded, but you have to send that message to the involved parties.Sole Soul (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Statement by Atama
My involvement in this matter has been somewhat limited, in the past my main contribution has been to comment on the potential conflicts of interest that arise from TM editors who contribute to TM articles at the conflict of interest noticeboard. My opinion was much like Durova's above; having a particular religion or belief system does not and should not ever constitute a conflict of interest, and I've championed that viewpoint frequently at that noticeboard. But I also share concerns that there may be some sort of collusion/meatpuppetry. I don't know what can be done, I believe in the Scientology case it was possible to identify IPs that were assigned to Scientology, in this case we're dealing with IPs for a town. Can we put sanctions on a town? That's for better people than me to decide, but I worry about the collateral damage from such a move, and innocent editors getting caught up in it. But clearly, based on how often these articles appear on noticeboards and the drama surrounding them, something should be done. -- Atama頭 20:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Adding a party
This case initially focused on the issue of pro-TM editors in or around Fairfield, Iowa. It is beginning to broaden, and I'm beginning to think that Uncreated (talk · contribs), a pro-TM SPA apparently not from the Fairfield area, should probably be included as well. His most recent edit was just a month ago, so he's still active. Any objections? Will Beback talk 07:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I was thinking that as well. At the COIN archiveMisplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_30#Article:_Transcendental_Meditation.2C_Users_TimidGuy_and_Littleolive_oil Uncreated said: Gordonofcartoon my affiliation is that I participate at the Auckland University SIMS club (Students International Meditation Society) as a keen practitioner of Transcendental Meditation...I started editing the article because I felt that it was in need of improvement.--Uncreated (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC). Don't know what "participate" is supposed to mean. Fladrif (talk) 15:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I object. If we add Uncreated we would also need to add Woonpton and several other occasional but recent TM article editors.-- — Kbob • Talk • 21:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)