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GA Sweeps notice of possible demotion of Isaac

I want to inform the community that I have done a GA Reassessment of Isaac and found the article lacking. Not very much will need to be done but enough that I could not keep it GA without some effort. I am notifying all interested projects that I have held this article for one week pending editing. The review can be found here. If you have any questions please feel free to contact my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 23:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Just to point out, the Children's Bible Story Book article needs ratings from this wikiproject. Ross Rhodes (T C) 21:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Ishmael

I have done the GA Reassessment of Ishmael as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found a few items that concern me about the article. My review can be found here. I have held the article for a week and I am notifying all the interested projects in the hope that work can be done to keep it at GA. Please contact me at my talk page if you have any questions. H1nkles (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I enter my name in the list of participants?

Thanks Arlen22 (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Arlen22
Got it. #~~~~
It will look like this. Arlen22 (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

hapax legomenon edited

There's a flag saying it needs an expert edit. I have good claim to be an expert on the subject, so i did a pretty complete edit, added a bunch of references, etc. What else should be done (if anything) in order to remove the flag, and hopefully get the article recategorized as past "Start" level?

Thanks!

Sderose (talk) 03:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Done Arlen22 (talk) 12:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church_Catholic_Church-2009-06-13T12:02:00.000Z">

Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such.
Roman Catholic Church → Catholic Church. Please share your opinions there. --Carlaude 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)_Catholic_Church"> _Catholic_Church">

Moved on July 2, 2009 by Shell Kinney

Project Page change

If you do not like the change to the Project please say so. If you do like the changes, please say so also. Arlen22 (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The old talk page is here. And is also archived using the normal procedures.
The old project page is here. Arlen22 (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Note that I did not change the Goals. Arlen22 (talk) 12:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Science and the Bible

The C grade article, Science and the Bible needs attention. Editors with issues in Talk:Science and the Bible are talking about deletion. J. D. Redding 12:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Work groups

We forget this:

• Biblical criticism work group - dealing with content specifically relating to Biblical criticism

Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Check the Project Navigation 22:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arlen22 (talk • contribs)

Coordinator elections

Any parties interested in being one of the coordinators of WikiProject Christianity and its various related projects is encouraged to list themselves as a candidate at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 2. It would be particularly beneficial if we had individuals from as broad a range of areas of the project as possible, to help ensure that we have people knowledgable about the widest range of content possible. John Carter (talk) 20:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Codex Vaticanus

I am looking for somebody, who can copyedit the article "Codex Vaticanus". Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of the Bible

A new article, whose lead says:

"The following charts list all biblical data relevant to the study of its timeline. Gathered from all parts of the bible, the data is presented without interpretation in as convenient a form as possible. Links are provided to articles which provide more in-depth analysis and interpretation. It is my hope that this page can act as a central 'portal' to all areas of biblical study."

Dougweller (talk) 21:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Bible to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Bible/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 01:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Arlen22 (talk) 13:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Tense?

What is the proper tense to use for biblical narratives? I want to fix Samson, which switches back and forth between the present (fictional) and the past (historical) in the first paragraph. Esther uses the past tense, while Book of Esther goes with the present. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a really good question. If I might ask a favor of you? I'm going to be busy for a few days unfortunately so I won't be able to do anything about it myself anytime soon. But if you could look over the bulk of the material relating to the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible books and articles and see which are in which tense, that might be useful as well. I have a feeling the same sort of questions might relate to material about Hindu and Buddhist scriptures as well, specifically, are we to count this material as fact, fiction, or maybe both somehow? But I think this is probably a serious question which is going to be relevant to more scriptures than just the Abrahamic ones. John Carter (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see what I can do. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

So far, it looks like most, though not all, of the "Book" articles are written in the present tense (exceptions include Book of Judges, Book of Jeremiah, Book of Ezekiel). Most related articles are in the past (e.g. The Exodus, Joshua), though Job (Bible) and Jephthah buck this trend. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I've asked for clarification of this matter at Misplaced Pages talk:Writing better articles#Question regarding article tense, and hope someone responds with a clarification shortly. John Carter (talk) 17:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

John, in answer to your question, the sacred books of major world religions with millions of adherents including Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. are not to be treated as fiction, nor endorsed as fact. To do either would not be neutral. That has always been the policy for keeping the peace; neutrality means not adopting any point of view, just explaining what the points of view are. This probably doesn't answer the question about tense, though. Either way I don't think tense should imply either fact or fictional, if the writing a is clear enough. It doesn;t seem like a big deal, but past tense seems little more grammatically appropriate, since events are at least said to have happened in the past, not the present. If past tense might sound like this is implying that everyone agrees them to be historical, then you just need more explanatory words to explain the situation with regard to all the verifiable pov's out there. (differing interpretations, etc.) Switching to present tense is no substitute for explaining this. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I note your comment refers to the major world religions, though. The question remains about some of the "minor" ones. And, there is, of course, the question, particularly regarding the Bible, as to whether the parables of Jesus and other stories whose facuality even within the relevant faith is a matter of question. It is specifically in the more problematic cases like those that I thought the clarification most required. John Carter (talk) 19:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, if an article is about a "minor" religion, or something else that they have a significant viewpoint on, we still have to apply npov. The other question is about sections that obviously aren't even presented as being historical account, such as "A king had two sons" or "The trees went out upon a time to choose for them a king"... I'm quite sure no one interprets these as intended for historical accounts, or anything other than illustrative of some lesson or moral. BTW notice also that these stories or parables are in the past tense, and it does not imply they are historical accounts. But if it were translated into the present tense as "The trees go out upon a time", in English, it would sound more like a stand-up comedy routine! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Merger question

I want to merge Tattenai and Tatnai, but I'm not sure which spelling to use as the main page. Help? Aristophanes68 (talk) 04:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

• Done. Aristophanes68 (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Query

Can anyone help me? I'm writing on behalf of the Society of Old Testament Study, the main British and Irish academic society for Hebrew Bible/ Old Testament (). As part of its coming centenary celebrations, the society wants to undertake several projects associated with improving public understanding of the Hebrew Bible. One of these is to be the creation of a separate wiki edited by members of the society, and probably designed with a slightly more specialist readership in mind, but we are also keen to contribute in any way that is useful to the creation and maintenance of the relevant pages on wikipedia. Although it is unlikely that more than a small proportion of the membership will be keen to get involved over the next couple of years, we can offer a considerable amount of expertise across the field. I appreciate that we could simply sign up and get stuck in straightaway, but it would be very helpful for us to know how and where we could be of most use (and how we could best avoid being a nuisance): suggestions would be very welcome, as would names of any editors we should contact directly about this. Stuart Weeks (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Jahdai

Misplaced Pages needs an article for 'Jahdai'. I dont know enough about it to do it myself. I only know that Jahdai could either be a wife/concubine or conceivably a descendant of Caleb. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 19:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Suggest an article for Tubalcain (currently a disambig)

I was surprised to find that Tubalcain just leads to a disambig, and that the original scriptural figure doesn't even rate his own article. Granted, his mention in Genesis is brief, but the figure played a substantial role in extra-scriptural beliefs and legends for centuries and centuries. I'm not sure I know enough about the subject, but does anyone else have strong feelings on the issue, have info to contribute, or at least believe that the scriptural (and later somewhat "legendary" in an expanded sense) figure merits an article of his own? MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

standardized way of naming articles for biblical persons

How about a standardized way of naming articles for biblical persons. I would suggest 'X, son of Y' . Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 01:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I could live with that myself. There would be variations, like Adam and Eve, of course ;), and where there descent is dubious or unstated, and some cases, like David, Habakkuk, Solomon, where they are the best known uses of that name, so there might be some exceptions, but I could certainly live with it as a second-level standard to be followed if there is no otherwise extant policy or guideline which would contraindicate it. Anyone else? John Carter (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Should it be X, son of Y or X (son of Y)? The first one is easier to type. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. For the record that is what I am suggesting. First it should be name X. Then if that doesnt work then go to X, son of Y. If even that doesnt work then I suppose one could go to X, son of Y, son of Z but I dont expect that would ever actually happen. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 21:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Bad idea in general, particularly when you run into problems with different versions of the name for the same person. (Koranic vs. Biblical) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grant bud (talk • contribs) 03:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thats what redirects are for. Any standardization is better than none at all. What else do you suggest when you have multiple people in the bible with the same name? Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 03:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Children's Bibles

In Germany, there are - since the Middle Ages - Children's Bibles (i.e. books that contain some excerpts from the Bible in easy language and with many illustrations) by many authors, illustrators and publishers. This is described in de:Kinderbibel. In the English Misplaced Pages I just find The Children's Bible Story Book. Is there really only this one? --84.184.26.69 (talk) 12:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Biblical disambiguators

If you have a moment, please see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Religion#Biblical disambiguators. Thank you!
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 07:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

keeping track of changes to bible related articles

If you like to keep track of changes to bible related articles but dont want to add hundreds of links to your watchlist then try this instead: Changes_related_to_"Timeline of the Bible" Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Society for Biblical Studies in India

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 2#Category:Members_of_the_Society_for_Biblical_Studies_in_India. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD

Please see:: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Yahweh and Allah.Borock (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Project categorization

Going through the directory of WikiProjects, I noticed that there are 2 categories which mention this project, but both instances say the project's main listing is under a "Language and linguistics" category which does not exist. So my question to your project is, which category do you wish to have your primary listing under?
Philosophy and religion or Language and literature?
-Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 07:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Defining "text-type"

A search for sources with which to improve the page Text types turned up a number of books using the phrase to describe (I think) a sorting or selecting among various manuscripts, especially of the New Testament (e.g. Hartin and Petzer 1991 Text and Interpretation, Erickson 2005 A Beginner's Guide to New Testament Exegesis). Is "text-types" in fact a term of art in Biblical interpretation? If so, could some knowledgeable person comment at Talk:Text types?

In linguistics and philology, particularly historical linguistics and corpus linguistics, "text type" used more or less synonymously with genre. Text types as it is currently written cites only a single source, which appears to be a textbook for a composition course. This suggests that the page will require an entire re-write, ideally into two pages - one treating the linguistic/ philological sense of the word, and one treating the Biblical scholarship sense. Cnilep (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

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Requested Move Of Genesis Creation Myth

here Thank you For you time Weaponbb7 (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)