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May 10

new entry

how do i add a new entry/definition to wikipedia?Fertilityauthority (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Please see the Your first article. Misplaced Pages articles are about encyclopaedic topics that are considered to be notable, which is defined as being significantly covered by reliable sources that are then cited by the article, and under no circumstances is Misplaced Pages to be used to advertise (see also the Business FAQ). Your username also appears to be promotional, in direct violation of the username policy. Please consider getting it changed if you want to begin editing constructively. Xenon54 (talk) 01:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have a cough that someone needs to check out =

No, I'm not asking for medical advice ;) In some of Misplaced Pages's media files, most recently I've noticed Tchaikovsky's 1812 (), at several spots (one is at 4:00, probably more) someone can clearly be heard coughing. Can this be taken care of? I would have no idea how to do it. THX 68.248.227.1 (talk) 03:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

That piece also randomly ends at 11:17,despite purportedly being "length 16m39s". Can that be sorted out too? 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.227.1 (talk)

This page is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Kittybrewster ☎ 07:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not uncommon for coughing to be heard in live recordings of classical music. I suggest that it not be removed, as a live concert recording is supposed to be different than a highly polished and engineered studio recording, with its many retakes, dubbing, etc. Princess Caraboo (talk) 13:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

articles on TV episodes

I noticed that some TV episodes have articles. These include routine episodes, not the final show or an unusual show. Is this permitted? Assorg (talk) 03:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but as per everything else the episode needs external coverage. So an episode that gets press coverage, or is discussed as a particularly good example of something, or similar. In other words, the individual episode needs to be notable. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this enough? http://en.wikipedia.org/Coming_of_Age_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) and http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Cafe_(Seinfeld_episode)

I don't want to make a fuss. I just want to know. I might make a new article if I know in advance what is ok. Assorg (talk) 04:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It may be OK if you can find reliable sources which are clearly independent of the subject, and which show a certain depth of coverage to allow the article to pass minimum notability standards. Additionally, Misplaced Pages articles need to focus primarily on covering topics from a perspective outside of the work of fiction itself. I'll say right now that Misplaced Pages's coverage of pop culture is woefully weak in this regard, standards of notability tend to be much more lax for topics around popular TV shows and the like, likely due to the sheer weight of fighting the problem. Most of these articles are basically entirely in-universe plot summaries with little else on the wider significance of the subject. The crux of the problem can be understood by reading the (now historical) essay Misplaced Pages:Pokémon test. I would personally recommend against adding to the problem, but you are free to make any additions you deem, in good faith, to be worthwhile. --Jayron32 04:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Why does my watchlist have entries like "(+377)" or "(-448)?"

Why does my watchlist have entries like "(+377)" or "(-448)?" Is it some sort of scoring system, and if so what is being scored? The article, my edit, or something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guymacon (talk • contribs) 04:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It is the difference in the number of characters between the current edit and the previous one. It's a helpful tool to quickly spot something like vandalism; an edit which has something like (-25,456) is likely not a helpful edit, and deserves further investigation. --Jayron32 04:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Guy Macon 04:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I cannot download my created book

I can creat a book but I cannot download it. When I download it, it displays an information of the reset linking. How can I download it in pdf format? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Htzhang (talk • contribs) 06:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I had no problems creating and downloading a book. What happens if you try to "Save and Share your book" to your user space instead of downloading it? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Troulbe opening programs

everytime, I open a program , a little screen comes up telling me that IE isn't working. Then it stays there until I close it and whatever I wanted to open--is open. How do I get it to stop that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.8.173 (talk) 07:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit Date/Time

On a recent article (Lena Horne), you reported "This page was last modified on 10 May 2010 at 07:47". My question is, why don't you indicate the Time Zone -- such as PDT, EDT, etc. Without that, the time info is rather meaningless. Don't you agree? Thank you. 216.103.80.241 (talk) 08:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Unless otherwise specified, all times on Misplaced Pages are UTC. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\

Sorry, it defaults to UTC - but if you have set a time zone in your preferences, the time (although not labelled) will be that zone's time. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For more information, see Coordinated Universal Time. Eastern Daylight is 4 hours behind UTC, and Pacific Daylight Time is 7 hours behind. Xenon54 (talk) 10:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to find the MediaWiki page for that, but I couldn't find it to start a discussion about this: would it be worth changing the relevant page to include "(UTC)" after the time? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 45#at time zone to time stamp at bottom of articles "This page was last modified on .5Bdd month year, at xx:xx.5D". (UTC) has been added and removed in the past. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a shame there's no TIMEZONE magic word! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Archive

i had asked one question last week, now it is in archive section, can i bring it back to the concerned section for discussion again? 203.199.205.25 (talk) 09:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you referring to this question? That was asked at the Computing Reference desk, and several answers were given to your queries there. If you have follow-up questions to what you asked, you would probably be better off asking a new question at the Computing Reference Desk - here is a link to ask a new question there. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

but still i could not solve the problems with the solutions suggested, that's why i wanted the question to be there for some more time so that i can get some more answers. is it not possible to bring back the question?203.199.205.25 (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Log in

Hi - I work for a law firm and we need to update our Misplaced Pages entry. I do not know who set up our page or what the log in details are. How can I update the entry? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.233.131.153 (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

A couple of things to note:

1. No one owns an article, even if they are the subject of that article
2. If you want to update an article, then as long as you have reliable independent sources which verify the information, then you are welcome to do so - just bear in mind that Misplaced Pages is not an advertising venue, and all articles should be written from a neutral point of view
3. Assuming that the page was created by a registered user (as you didn't say what page it was, we can't check this), then that individual has their own account - accounts are not for groups of people, or companies (see the User Name policy for more information on this). Should you wish to create your own account for editing, you are welcome to do so - but you need to remember that it will be an account for you only, and not for advertising in articles, as this may lead to the account being blocked.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It would also be a very good idea for you to read Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Organizations. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

new section to an article

I want to edit the article on "hygiene" by adding a new section on "home and everyday life hygiene". How do i add a new section - and make sure it is listed in the contents

Florenceboot (talk) 11:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

If you read Help:Section, that explains how to go about doing that! I would, however, suggest discussing your proposed addition on the article's talk page (here) to get consensus about whether it is required and what should be included - it may be something that has been considered in the past, or the people who have edited the article previously may have suggestions on how best to add this section -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your question about the table of contents, a new section will automatically appear in the table of contents. You need do nothing other than create the section as described in the Help:Section link.--SPhilbrickT 12:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

adding a new section

how do I find out who wrote the current article on hygiene? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florenceboot (talk • contribs) 11:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

You can find who has contributed to any article by clicking the History link that is at the top of every page. here is a direct link to the hygiene article history for you, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hygiene&action=history ~~ GB fan ~~ 11:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec)Quite a number of editors have contributed in various ways. If you click on the "view history" tab at the top of the article, it will identify the contributors, starting with the 50 most recent. However, using that page is not the easiest at first, although this should help. Is there a specific question you have? For example, if you want to know who added a specific word or phrase, there are tools to do that.--SPhilbrickT 11:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

If this is connected to your query in the last section, you do not need to know who wrote the article! Just leave a message on the talk page explaining what you are thinking of adding - interested editors will respond! Alternatively, add a section (as explained at Help:Section) and if other editors disagree with it being there, they will remove/change it as necessary. Getting consensus on adding a section (via a discussion on the talk page) is the preferred method for a very established article (this article was created in November 2002, and has had over 500 editors involved!) -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Inaction on requested edit

Last Wednesday, I made a request (using the "Request Edit" template) looking for another editor to review and (I hoped) implement a proposed researched + rewritten version of the Fred C. Koch article. However, five days have gone by now without any comment. My explanation of the proposed changes and potential COI issue is on the Talk page for that article; if someone here can take a look at it, I would appreciate that greatly. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 13:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, thanks a lot for your work on the article. I've made a minor change to your work, which you can view here. If you disagree with this change you're welcome to revert it. Apart from that the article looks fine, and Shirik (talk · contribs) has kindly history merged your work to Fred C. Koch. Sorry for the unusual delay in getting a response to you. Kindest regards, Spitfire 16:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I'll leave a note on your Talk page about follow-up. NMS Bill (talk) 16:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist

Is it possible to organize your watchlist so that it shows you the articles in the order you added them to your watchlist? --Drogonov 15:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not possible, or at least not as far as I'm aware. The closest is the alphabetical layout here Special:Watchlist/edit. Spitfire 15:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I become an authorized user to be able to upload a file to link to a page I am working on?

I need to upload a new logo but the upload form says it is for confirmed users, yada. How do I get permission to edit everything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjhallifax (talk • contribs) 15:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Before you can upload your account must be autoconfirmed - ie 10 edits and at least 4 days old. – ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

You need one more edit as I type this! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

New mentor/adopter person

Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to change my adopter/mentor. I am very active on Wiki and he is just absent too much to satisfy my questions. Homework2 sign! 16:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest that you firstly leave a message at his talk page - and then look for another mentor, and ask them. This isn't really the place to ask! If you are being mentored, go to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject User Rehab; if you are being adopted, go to Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Glucaid

Glucaid is glucose drink for GTT patient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.55.128 (talk) 16:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Also, if you have any questions about using Misplaced Pages, this is the place to ask. TNXMan 16:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

speedy deletion tag on a talk page

I found a speedy deletion tag on a talk page Talk:Shri Saibaba Sansthan Trust, Shirdi. Now, the article Shri Saibaba Sansthan Trust, Shirdi is absolutely not "pure vandalism". Can talk pages really be deleted independently of the article?? And why not just delete the nonsense text on the talk page? Lova Falk (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done - here. – ukexpat (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Lova Falk (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

How does one permanently close a Misplaced Pages account?

How does one permanently close a Misplaced Pages account? I searched the FAQ but, surprisingly found nothing.

Thanks in advance.

Precisionfiltration (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It isn't possible - you should just stop using it. Prodego 18:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Right to vanish if you want the username to be hidden, but it's easier for us if you just stop using the account. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

You can put {{retired}} on the user page. kcylsnavS (kalt) 13:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages with citations

I looking at material on copying within Misplaced Pages, but could only find information about copyrights.

My question is, can I copy cited material within Misplaced Pages without looking up the citations, relying on the original editor? (I will note that I am generally reluctant to do this, having corrected several mis-cites. However, sometimes it appears to be the lesser of two evils.) May this be done?

On the side, because the article is so complex, I will just ask: For copyright purposes, is it enough to put a reference to the original page in the comment on the edit?

Thank you.Mzk1 (talk) 18:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

It's generally a bad idea to cite material found in Misplaced Pages. While editors are striving to make it as good as possible, it is a tertiary source, which is general not a good cite in any event, and the material can change. (If you want to cite, it is better to go to the references included, but you've said you don't want to do that.)

If you are writing something about Misplaced Pages, then it would make sense to cite Misplaced Pages, and there are ways to do that to ensure that you cite a stable version. Can you explain how you intend to use it, and perhaps we can give a more specific answer?--SPhilbrickT 18:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Did you see this page: Citing Misplaced Pages?--SPhilbrickT 18:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I am not being clear.

What I mean is, that a particular page has some information that I use on another page. What I wanted to do was to copy the information, together with its citations, which in this case I am not able to look up. As I said, I do not like doing this; I already have problems with citations copied from the Jewish Encyclopedia, that I found did not support (or even refer to) the material that the editor copied. But in some rare cases, this appears to be my best option. But I am not citing Misplaced Pages, I am citing the original sources, but I am relying on the other editor's having seen them.Mzk1 (talk) 18:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, I did misunderstand. I have seen a discussion of that issue - I'll see if I can find it.--SPhilbrickT 18:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Please check to see if Misplaced Pages:Summary style will accomplish your goal. I believe it is the preferred way to do what you want to do. However, that is not the discussion I was looking for and will keep looking.--SPhilbrickT 18:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

This is what I was looking for : Copying within Misplaced Pages--SPhilbrickT 19:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your efforts; I did see that article before. But I do not see where it addresses the issue of citation copying.Mzk1 (talk) 19:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

As far as the citations themselves, they can be copied without attribution as they should only be short factual descriptions of the references used. The material supported by the citation is the part that requires attribution, and since you want to copy both, you should provide attribution. Per Copying within Misplaced Pages that Sphilbrick pointed you to, you can attribute in the edit summary with something like "copied content from ]", or to be more thorough, you can place {{copied}} on the talk pages of both the copied-to and copied-from articles. Does that answer your question? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Leaving aside the attribution issue, which I think is amply covered, I have done this myself and understand your uneasiness. When a source is inaccessible, in a way it relies on our *own* trustworthiness as editors. By that I mean that if an inaccessible source is cited by User:Habitual Vandal and Hoaxer, it's far more likely to be removed as unreliable than if placed by User:10 Billion Featured Articles to His Name. The edit summary and talk page can also help with this, as you can note in either or both that you are taking the citations on faith but have not verified them yourself. --Moonriddengirl 18:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

request to move draft to main space

I made a request back in March to move a draft to main space (I have not made 10 edits with my account) and I have not heard anything back yet. Does this mean my article was not approved? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Les Lent (talk • contribs) 19:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

You learn something new every day. I've never seen that template before. It add your request to a category, one I've not seen before. I'm not sure who monitors it. More comments shortly.--SPhilbrickT 19:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I glanced at the category, and see 243 entries in it. The one I looked at was created in January, so separately I'll look into why it isn't getting much attention. Regarding your article:

• Fairly well-written, so that's a good start.
• Almost devoid of references, and the one that is there, isn't in the proper format. References can be tricky, but they are very important. Please check out WP:CITE and footnotes.
• One of the reasons you need references is to support Notability, which is critical. I suspect this subject is notable, but you need to reference reliable sources.
• It is best is notability is asserted in the lede paragraph.
• If you can add a few references supporting notability, I'll be happy to move it for you, but when you have edited twice more, you can move it yourself. Make sure you have some references supporting notability before moving, ot is may be in danger of deletion.--SPhilbrickT 19:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

editing an erroneous image caption

I cannot figure out how to edit the text in the caption of a photo. I (Raymond Duncan page: caption reads that he is pictured with his daughter - in fact it is his son -- the Library of Congress text describing the image should be used instead - it is accurate.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doreeds (talk • contribs) 20:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Done with this edit. The file information was at the top of the page and I edited the caption there. If you still have questions, just let me know. TNXMan 20:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The caption was in the lead section which can be edited by clicking the "edit this page" tab at top. See more at Misplaced Pages:Lead section#Editing the lead section. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

How Do I Update a Logo on a Wiki Page

Hi Misplaced Pages - There is a logo on our Wiki page that someone else created that is not a current logo. Our Company would like to change that logo to a current logo. After spending 2 or 3 hours on your page, I cannot figure out how to do it. Please help.

Sandra Fullsailbrewing (talk) 23:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Logos at Misplaced Pages are uploaded as images. If you click on the image, you should be taken to a documentation page. From that page, you can upload a new logo, once you become autoconfirmed (after 4 days and 10 edits). Upload a new version following the instructions at WP:UPLOAD. Please try not to make any major edits to your company's page, though, as working for the subject of an article constitutes a conflict of interest, and you may find it difficult to maintain a neutral point of view writing about something with which you are affiliated. Intelligentsium 00:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

We can do it if you give the page name and a link to an image file with the logo at the company website. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

That would be most excellent if you could update it for us. Here is the page and here is the link to the logo. Thank you. Sandra

http://www.fullsailbrewing.com/client/Full-Sail-Brewing-Company-Logo.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/Full_Sail_Brewing_Company —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullsailbrewing (talk • contribs) 01:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I have uploaded File:Full-Sail-Brewing-Company-Logo.png at a reduced resolution to comply with our fair use policy. It is now displayed at Full Sail Brewing Company. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

THANK YOU and CHEERS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullsailbrewing (talk • contribs) 02:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If you don' mind another question. I noticed on some of the other Brewery pages they mention their brewery tours and Tasting Rooms. How do you add a section like that to a page? Here is an example... http://en.wikipedia.org/Heineken_Experience#Current_Brewery_Tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullsailbrewing (talk • contribs) 02:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any of that tour stuff is encyclopedic, it reads more like a travel guide and should be heavily reduced if not excised completely. – ukexpat (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

May 11

Pictures of dead people

If there's an article on a band in which the lead singer died, and you need a picture featuring all the original members of the band including the dead lead singer, but no suitable one happens to be in the public domain, and obviously there will never be a new picture taken with the dead lead singer, can you use a copyrighted picture instead? 24.189.90.68 (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes; this falls under Fair use, specifically under WP:NFCI, number 8. You will need to include an appropriate fair use rationale detailing why it qualifies for fair use. This, of course, assumes the band is notable, which is a different question entirely. Intelligentsium 01:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, they're notable, alright... anyway, thanks for the links to the guidelines regarding the issue. 24.189.90.68 (talk) 02:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Unknown license for images

This file says the license is unknown. Is it allowed to be used on an article or my userspace or will it be removed by FairuseBot or DASHBot? Also, how do you add a copyrighted image to an article without having it removed by FairuseBot? --The High Fin Sperm Whale 00:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but I would guess that it could be used in an article but not in userspace. Obviously, if the status becomes known (once the legalities of the law is ascertained), that may or may not be the case. You might want to ask this at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions, where there are folks who absolutely love these kinds of questions! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your second question: To prevent FairuseBot from removing a non-free image that has been added to an article, the file page will need to link to the article. In fair-use, all the articles that the non-free image is being used on need to be linked to on the file page, along with giving rationale. For example, see how File:Mario64 - Dire Dire Docks.png has links to and gives rationale for two articles. If no such link exists on the file page, FairuseBot will automatically remove the image. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 10:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The image is (for the moment) on Commons so in theory it can be used on any Misplaced Pages page, including articles and user pages. Questions about copyright, licensing etc of images hosted on Commons should be directed to the Commons Help Desk. – ukexpat (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't find existing article - R&D orgs by country & focus

Hi,

I found a great article on here just over a week ago that listed R&D organisations by country and research focus, however now i'm trying to refer back to it, and I can't find it anywhere!

I would really appreciate if you could either let me know where this article is, or confirm if it's no longer available?

Any assistance is hugely appreciated as I need this article for a project i'm currently doing.

Thanks, D

04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)04:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daviclarke (talk • contribs)

Try Category:Research and development organizations. caknuck _° needs to be running more often 04:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If that doesn't work, and you are on the computer which you used back then, it might be worth looking at your browser's history -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

can't create user page

I've successfully created an account, edited articles, created an article... but I can't seem to create a user page. My user name appears in red at the top of the screen. Instructions say to click on it. When I do, it takes me, for a brief second, to a page that tells me there is no such page, and I think offers the opportunity to create it. Unfortunately, that page immediately redirects to a 404 error, page can't be found. I've tried this both in Firefox and IE, and get the same result both times. Is there any other way to create my user page, or some way to stop the page from going to the 404 error? BroWCarey (talk) 04:25, 11 May 2010 (U

Hmm..your userpage is blue in the signature? --Extra 999 (Contact + _contribs) 04:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec)Try clearing your browser cache. Just in case that fails, I have created a placeholder page for you. (That's why the link went blue, Extra). caknuck _° needs to be running more often 04:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that explains why it's blue. thanks, Caknuck. I appreciate the help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BroWCarey (talk • contribs) 04:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what the Help Desk is for. Cheers, caknuck _° needs to be running more often 04:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

To seek details about "http://en.wikipedia.org/Pandher#References"

Greetings! My name is Sarabjit Pandher and I am a journalist by profession. This refers to the origin of my clan "PANDHER". Your site at "http://en.wikipedia.org/Pandher#References" has mentioned that "Pandher is a royal Jat surname traditionally found in Northern India particularly in Punjab (India). Pandhers are from the royal family of Uzbekistan."

I am quite keen to follow this Uzbekistan link. Please guide me to the authorities that established this lineage. Can you help me with relevant reference materials or links that I can follow to trace out the roots of my people. I shall be extremely grateful.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.250.116 (talk) 05:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid the article is entirely unreferenced. That particular statement was added on August 6, 2009 by an anonymous editor. If you feel that the statement has no basis in fact, you would be fully justified in removing it (see WP:BURDEN). If you have any reliable, published sources which discuss the Pandher clan in detail, they would be most helpful in providing verification for what is in the article right now. Simply put, that article is in sad shape, and given its utter lack of reliable references, I wouldn't trust anything in it. --Jayron32 06:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Why am I not autoconfirmed?

My username is Antoniogameirolopes. I am writing an article but cannot move it from the userpage to the mainspace, so I guess I am still not a autoconfirmed user. Nevertheless, I registered more than 4 four days ago and made more than 10 edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoniogameirolopes (talk • contribs) 07:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Although your account was registered more than 96 hours ago, you have only made 7 edits including this one. Remember that preview does not count as an edit, only save -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Fearful

I'm fearful of editing Misplaced Pages. Will someone help alleviate my fear? Volalo (talk) 07:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I hope to have begun to alleviate your fear by placing a helpful welcome message onto your talkpage. :) Orphan Wiki 08:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Further to the above message, the best thing to remember is that you can't break Misplaced Pages. If you make a mistake in an edit, it can be reverted. You can't accidently delete articles or other pages (only an admin can delete pages, and even that can be undone). Find a subject which you are knowledgeable about, find reliable and independent sources that back up any information which you add (or remove), and edit away. Seriously, you can't do anything to a page which cannot be very quickly undone! Read Misplaced Pages:How to edit a page, which explains how to go about editing pages; read "Your first article" (if you want to create an article)... and if you have any questions, then either ask here or at the New contributors' help page (but please note that you only need to ask in one place - asking in many places is not needed - if you have put your question in the wrong place, another editor will move it to the correct location!) By the way, just in case I didn't mention it before (and this is very important to remember): You can't do permanent damage to Misplaced Pages! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Start small. Start in a Misplaced Pages:Sandbox, specifically designed for you to test.--SPhilbrickT 09:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Find a subject that interests you and pile in. New editors are expected to make mistakes along the way. That's fine as long as you learn from the mistakes. Good faith editing is to be encouraged. Why not start at Misplaced Pages:Introduction, where you will learn a bit about what Misplaced Pages is, and how it works. Mjroots (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Account Merge Failure

When I tried to create a universal account following the instructions, everything went fine until after I created the account went into the home account preferences, picked "Manage your global account", and then at the "Login unification status" page in the box titled "Begin login unification" when I enter the same password I have used throughout the entire process, it tells me a different password has been entered. Now I'm not sure if there is a technical error or if I somehow entered the password badly the same way twice. Psturm (talk) 10:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you the owner of the account Psturm at the German Misplaced Pages and at MetaWiki, as well as here? If one of these other accounts is not yours, that would explain the problem! If both of those accounts are yours, try logging into them seperately - perhaps one has an old password? For SUL to take place, all three of the accounts need to have the same password. Let us know how you get on, and if you have any further problems. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

No, that would be one of my hundred-odd cousins in Germany. Could you please kill my Wikimedia acct.? Then I will differentiate my Misplaced Pages preferences properly change the passwords and try again

Psturm (talk) 06:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be killed! My advice would be to change your user name - then you can set up Single Unified Login (before you go to change your user name, you might want to check here that your chosen name doesn't exist on any WMF projects, as that might prevent you creating an SUL account! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Me is having same problem with this account. It went fine with Commons and Metawiki, but there is an registered User in WP:en with 0 edits. That account was created in 2006. So i read about Userpations. Did i get it right, that i would have to create an other account on WP:en and start this procedure to get this account merged with mine ? --91.8.26.206 (talk) 16:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

There's an active user with that name on de:. Is that you? LeadSongDog come howl 16:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's me, with this named account there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.8.11.198 (talk) 16:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC) PS. as a proof, i added on my home-wiki greetings to you --91.8.11.198 (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean this? :-) It looks like you should try usurpation on those wikis that have local bureaucrats. Given that the present user by that name has no edits it will likely be straightforward, though a bit tedious. Cheers.LeadSongDog come howl 20:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, i'm glad to get the notice that it should work there then , muito obrigado --91.8.11.198 (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not completely clear, but it may be necessary to register first under another name to be able to file the usurpation request. I posed the question at Misplaced Pages talk:CHUU but as yet it has not been answered. LeadSongDog come howl 04:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Staniforth Surname

How do I refer you to further information ie. I note when I put in the name Staniforth the info page told me correctly that it was of Yorkshire Origin butsaid it was a derrivation of another name Standford. DSheffield University have done research on the name as it was one of the 7 original Sheffileld families and they beleive it comes from stoney ford (dweller by a stoney ford) being a ford in the River Don in the Attercliff Area of Sheffield. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.33.6 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If that information is available in a reliable source, it can be added to the article (and cited). If, however, it is unpublished research (and/or not peer reviewed) then it may not be suitable for inclusion. If you told us the source of the information (e.g. a weblink if possible, or a publication) then we could give more specific advice. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Withdrawing a deletion proposal

How do I go about withdrawing my nomination for deletion at AfdD? Astronaut (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe (having done it myself before, albeit some time ago) that simply indicating that you no longer wish to proceed with the AfD is sufficient. Regardless, this would be a useful step as it would notify other participants of your new position. TFOWR 15:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

As a rule, stating on the AfD that you are withdrawing the nomination (along with the reason) is sufficient, and someone will normally close the AfD as Nomination withdrawn. However, if there are delete !votes, it would normally be kept open. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If you mean Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anya Verkhovskaya, although you can withdraw your nomination, there is a delete opinion, and so the AfD should remain open. You might want to contact the editor who left the delete opinion, letting him/her know that you have withdrawn. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Nevertheless, a "withdraw" can help to influence the outcome of the AFD toward "keep": the closing administrator is likely to attach a bit of significance to the fact that the nominator has changed his/her mind. Nyttend (talk) 16:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Continous numbering

How to change the number format in this article so the numbering does not start all over after the cross-headings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.41.34.154 (talk) 17:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

You can specify a starting value like this:

#<li value="9">Amsterdam
#Rotterdam
#The Hague

which produces:

9. Amsterdam
10. Rotterdam
11. The Hague

For more help with lists, please see Help:List. --Mysdaao 20:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Level of warning after a block

If a user vandalizes again when a block has expired, I usually give the user a level-2 warning. However, I have seen other users giving a level-4 warning in such cases. Is there a policiy on this? Lova Falk 18:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd say level 2 would be the way to go for anons, and is what I usually do. For registered accounts, if for some reason they weren't indeffed as a vandalism-only account, and haven't been doing anything constructive, and came back with more vandalism after their block, I could see bumping it up to a 3 or 4. I don't think there is really any heavy-duty policy on what the warning must be, just use common sense. AlexiusHoratius 18:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I normally give a 2 for anons if the block is recent. I start over at 1 if it isn't a recent block. But for registered users, I would probably go with 4im of a block. If they aren't doing anything constructive right after a recent block, then it's unlikely they intend on doing anything constructive at all.--Unionhawk 18:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

edit conflictFrom what Im familliar with, returning vandals can be blocked more quickly (per Misplaced Pages:VANDALSIM#Warnings). I think thats about all the guidance there is on what level of warning to give. So yes common sense would be the order of the day. I would think that if it is a registered account and you know that they have been warned before than a level 3 or 4 warning is fine to give (as mentioned above). If its an IP however there is no garantee it is the same person and could be a new user. As such i would treat the IP as if they were a new person entirely and run through the normal warning scale from level 1-4 and then report. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

If they're registered and resume doing the same thing that got them blocked before, just report them to WP:AIV. The block was the 4th (or 5th) warning, no need for another. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Warnings are designed to inform users who may not be aware of policy, or who may not be aware that their edits are in violation of policy. For registerred accounts, especially those that have been repeatedly warned and blocked for similar violations, there is no mandatory warning for repeated violations. If a user should know better, and still don't, there's no reason to warn before blocking. For IP editors, it is trickier. Old warnings may have been directed at a person who is not using that IP address anymore, so one should consider whether the current user of that IP is likely the same person, or not. The most important thing about warning people is there is no formula which must be followed beyond using common sense. Furthermore, the warning templates are a convenience and not a requirement, any user can be warned merely by directing them to the policy they are violating; you can just type a personalized warning message yourself. The point of warnings is to give a user the chance to correct their behavior themselves before resorting to a block, any method which is likely to accomplish this is fine, but one must thoughtfully consider the likely outcome of any warning, and apply warnings and/or blocks in order to achieve the desired outcome in the most effective and least disruptive manner possible. Personally, I rarely use the warning templates anymore, instead I actually type out a message which is highly specific to the situation. --Jayron32 18:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Question on Henry VIII

To whom it may concern,

Hello my name is Angela.. I have been catching up on some history of KingHenry VIII. I was just reading some footnotes from your on-line wikimedia. I don't study this, but what I have found on the site for King Henry VIII,, and theactual death of Catherine Of Aragon to the election of Pope Paul III has got meconfused. I'm sure I may be able to go to the nearest library to find out more,but thought you would like to know.. As follows

Catherine of Aragon was Queen of England from: 11 June 1509 – 23 May 1533

It also says she died 7 January 1536

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/Catherine_of_Aragon

Next to be known as Queen after Catherine of Aragons' anullment to King HenryVIII, Is Anne Boleyn.

From 28 May 1533 – 17 May 1536 (Beheaded 19 May 1536)

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/Anne_Boleyn

Now what I am confused about are: Of the actual year of Catherine of Aragonsdeath and Pope Paul III election to time.

Paul III (*)13 October 1534 10 November 1549 Henry VIII between ages of 42 and death. Final break from pope

It is said on the Bio of King Henry VIII, that Catherine of Aragon died 15 months after Pope Paul III was elected. But according to the bio of King Henry VIII (at bottom of page) This is what it says: Catherine of Aragon died 15 months after his election. On (*)17-Dec-1538, four years into his pontificate, Paul III excommunicated Henry VIII http://en.wikipedia.org/Henry_VIII_of_England

Too, I am confused about the actual time of the Popes election and excommunication to Henry VIII

I am sorry if I have it wrong. I have never looked any of these history facts up in my time of school, only now.. Cause I am more aware about the importance of history. Also that it is, in those times, I have always had a very deep inner-connection too. Maybe it's just facination or mere intuition. Either way, please, If I am wrong, fill me in if you'd like. Otherwise I hope I may havehelped the next reader.

Sincere thanks,

Angela Gabriel —Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyPlavwell (talk • contribs) 20:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey Angela, thanks for asking the question, but you may get a better response at the reference desk. The reference desk is more designed for asking questions like this, while this help desk is more about getting help with the technical aspects of editing Misplaced Pages articles. --Jayron32 21:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I have already copied your question over to the Humanities Reference Desk - so please look in Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities#Question on Henry VIII. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  22:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The tag " that anyone can edit" at the top of the page

Is it just me, or did the tag at the top of the page (below the article name -below "Editing Misplaced Pages:Help desk (new section)" in this case) change today from "" to " that anyone can edit". Was there a discussion somewhere on whether to add that part or not? I kinda preferred it the old way myself. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Tagline was indeed changed, following discussions here and here. Algebraist 21:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Improve the WP tagline. – ukexpat (talk) 21:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair use argument

I recently wrote a revised version of the article about Fred C. Koch and, because I happen to work with Koch Industries (which cares about his legacy), I have worked with other editors (and this Help desk) to gain consensus for moving it into place. That much is done. Now, I also have a photograph of the late Mr. Koch which I would like to include in the article's infobox. Koch (the company) definitely would like for the image to be used on the article, but they do not wish to release it under a free license. I've studied WP:NONFREE and am pretty sure that this guideline was established to allow just this sort of image, but I want to be sure that I've got it right before I upload. Can anybody point me to a good example of a non-free rationale, ideally for a photograph of an individual? If not, I'll just take my chances later. Thanks, NMS Bill (talk) 22:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Rather at random, see File:Akuffo.jpg. Note that you must upload a relatively low resolution version of any photograph to meet WP:NFCC 3b. However, have you looked at NFCC 4 and can you meet that? The way you describe the image makes me think it may have never been published or publicly displayed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

A good point. I believe it has been published, most likely on one of the websites associated with Koch Family Foundations. I will ascertain that it has been, or use one that they have published, before I move forward. Thanks much, NMS Bill (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The banner won't hide

I keep clicking the "hide" button on the latest banner, but nothing happens. Does anybody know why? A. Parrot (talk) 22:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• See the related thread at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Site notice won't hide. DuncanHill (talk) 22:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

What happens to people if they vandalise a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.152.194 (talk) 22:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Simple Answer -- First you get a few warnings and if you keep it up in a short period of time a passing admin will PWN you. Happy editing wiooiw 22:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Eventually, if the user keeps vandalising Misplaced Pages, they can get a permanent block from editing the site. Chevymontecarlo. 16:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

And that's not all. A long-term vandal who creates many abusive accounts for the purpose of disrupting Misplaced Pages could eventually be completely banned from Misplaced Pages as well. (Note that blocks and bans are two different things.) In addition, stewards have the ability to disable the global accounts of vandals who also abuse several other wikis that are owned and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

When was text added?

Is there a way to identify in which revision a certain template was added to an article. In this case, {{use dmy dates}} was added to the Metre article. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, see the history page of the article (click on the history tab) - and check each revision. It's even easier if you have popups installed. – ukexpat (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. I already know how to use the history page, but the text I'm looking for could have been added any time in the last few years, so I was looking for a much easier method. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to an easy way, but I think the revision is this one.--BelovedFreak 23:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Apparently Wikiblame can search article histories. – ukexpat (talk) 23:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried that, but couldn't get it to work.--BelovedFreak 23:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Just use binary search. You'll rapidly converge on the correct revision. That is, start with the earliest plausible date when the template could have first appeared in the article (which couldn't be before the template was created - check the template's history to see that). Basically, you start by establishing two revisions that bound the desired revision: the current revision, which contains the template, and any old revision which does not contain the template. The template must have first appeared between them. Check the revision midway between the two bounding revisions. If it contains the template, it becomes the new upper bound; if it doesn't, it becomes the new lower bound. Each revision you check therefore divides the interval in half. If for example the interval contains 1024 revisions, you should find the target revision in about ten tries. --Teratornis (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how I found it.--BelovedFreak 00:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

When you open the article history, there is a list External tools near the top. Revision history search will open WikiBlame. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  13:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

May 12

How to limit depth of ToC

Hello, at the moment I'm working on the article Vietnam Airlines. I see that the ToC of the article is quite lengthy, so i'm trying to limit it down. Could anyone tell me how to use the template {{TOC limit|limit=n}}? I've tried replacing the 'n' with '5', but it doesn't work. Thanks Sp33dyphil 03:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

When you set "n" as a number, it will allow all subheaders up to, and including, that level to appear; it will remove any subheaders below that level. So if you set "n" as "5", level 5 subheaders will still appear; 6, 7, 8, and so on would not. To get your desired effect, you will need to set "n" as "4"; this will get rid of the level 5 and above subheaders in the TOC. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I've found out that you have to but the template under the lead section, where you think the TOC is going to be, instead of what I have done is putting it right at the very top of the article's page. Thanks Sp33dyphil 07:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The TOC will be placed wherever you place the template. It should be placed before the first section heading in articles as you have correctly done. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Abusefilter

I'd liked to edit Vermonster, but the abusefilter had blocked my edit, and I couldn't report it, because the filter blocked the edit again. --188.23.96.168 (talk) 11:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

There apparently was a problem with that filter for a period of 6 minutes today. All your attempted edits were in that period which had ended when you posted here but you couldn't know that. Sorry about the problem. You can try editing again. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

needed to get new password but it wouldn't work, round 2

Follow-up from message of May 8th (I think). Was unaware my user name was left out, it's JoeRose50 and yes, my connection is through en.wikipedia.org. As far as the password sent to me, I cut & pasted it so the case should not have changed from sending to application. I'm still unsure why I can't log-in, but appreciate the attention and will check back sooner. 74.72.15.207 (talk) 11:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I have reset your password again, so you should get an email at the address which you have registered for the account JoeRose50. When you copy and paste the temporary password, please make sure that you do not include the quotation marks - for example, if it said that the password was "A1BCD23" then you would use A1BCD23 - obvious to many, these kinds of things do get misunderstood sometimes! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Browsers can store a username and password for a certain site and some browsers may automatically change what you have written to what is stored when you click Log in. Can you try another browser or computer which wouldn't have a stored password for Misplaced Pages? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages usernames are case-sensitive, so if you're attempting to login as "joerose50" instead of "JoeRose50", that may explain the login issue. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

How to write an email message to maury povick show

I am just writing to maury povick show to help me get a D N A test for a child that was born by one long time girl friend

My Name is Iredia Igbinoba From Nigeria But now a US citizen contact number <redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.45.9 (talk) 18:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 – ukexpat (talk) 18:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact your lawyer. Feinoha 18:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is not even remotely a request for legal advice; it's a request for contact details for a TV show. A couple of mouse clicks reveal that people wishing to appear on Maury Povich's show should fill in the online application form here. Google is your friend. Karenjc 18:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I saw the asking for information on how to get a DNA test for a child, and assumed that he wanted legal advice on the matter, which we cannot give. Feinoha 18:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

No we can't, but they didn't ask us to. The section header sums their request up accurately. Karenjc 18:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Deleted pages in user contribution

Am I correct that edits to pages which are subsequently deleted do not show up in one's user contributions? If that's correct, is there a way to get them to show up? Or is it just my imagination that they disappear? Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Correct and no, only admins can view deleted articles. – ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm an admin and can see your deleted contributions. Is there something you want to know about them? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New subheading in existing article, problems with references not appearing from edit page

I am having trouble with references when I try to create a new subheading in an existing article. I enter ==History== for a new subheading at the end of the earlier subheading, for example geography. The new subheading appears in its proper place in the index: fine. From edit, I enter the new text and it appears complete with the numbers for the references. Then two proplems appear: 1) while the footnote numbers are present on the newly revised page and the references appear on the edit page, the references themselves do not appear in the revised article page; 2) Sometimes a secord problem appears: the existing article re-arranges itself in an odd way.

What do I need to do?

The problem does not happen when here is esisting material in an existing history section. In that case, the references themselves appear just as they were on the edit page and everything is just as it should be.

Elkmilok (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I can help what page we talking about..?Moxy (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

My guess it's McLean, Illinois, Danvers, Illinois or Gridley, Illinois - I am working on the formatting issues. – ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixing my signature

I have tried and tried and tried to fix my signature but I cannot get it to work. Either I do this: <font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#ff6600"><b>Lova Falk</b></span></font> which becomes: Lova Falk - and as you can see, the link to my user page has disappeared,}}
or I try to copy the code of other user's signatures, exhanging with my name and preferences <a href="/User:Lova_Falk" title="User:Lova_Falk"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#cc6600"><b>Lova Falk</b></span></font></a> and then it gets like this: <a href="/User:Lova_Falk" title="User:Lova_Falk">Lova Falk</a> What do I do wrong? 19:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You need to use wiki markup in addition to the font tags. So for example, the following code
]
will produce the text
Lova Falk
which includes a working link to your userpage. I hope this helps. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 19:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, replace the HTML bold tags with '''. And also, your signature should also link to your user talk page. So... how does this look: Lova Falk? If you like it, use this: ] ]--Unionhawk 19:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both SO MUCH! Lova Falk 19:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC) :)

Username or IP removed

I noticed something odd in a history page that I haven't seen before. Can someone please explain this Thanks 82.44.55.254 (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:OVERSIGHT – ukexpat (talk) 19:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Is showing where the deleted edits were a new feature, because I've never seen oversighted posts listed in the history page before. 82.44.55.254 (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not a new feature, but oversight is not used that often. It is only used if personal information or defamatory information is required to be removed from a page's history. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

To be specific the new feature is called revision deletion, which allows oversighters to "suppress" any "bad content" (usually really stuff such as Libel, phone numbers, etc). More info on what qualifies is in the link I gave. Feinoha 20:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I know about oversight, I've requested things to be oversighted in the past myself. But I've never seen "Username or IP removed" in the edit history before. Is that new (presumably to give more transparency to the oversight process)? 82.44.55.254 (talk) 22:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Edits oversigthed with RevisionDelete have been marked in page histories since February 2009. See Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive 57#Oversight logs. "Username or IP removed" is a RevisionDelete option mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Oversight#RevisionDelete vs Extension:Oversight. I think it's used relatively rarely. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :) 82.44.55.254 (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

What is the template for an article overhaul?

I've seen a template on Misplaced Pages articles which says something along the lines of "This article will be undergoing a major overhaul over the next X days/hours". I want to use it, put can't for the life of me find it. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, KingOfTheMedia (talk) 20:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you are looking for the {{Under construction}} template? Feinoha 20:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Or the others listed at Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Maintenance#Articles undergoing major edits - John of Reading (talk) 20:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"Black Dolls"

To Whom It May Concern,

I regularly trawl your information pages hoping to find relevant and up to date fact. Unfortunately I was disgusted to find an article called "Black Dolls" written in hideous and racially offensive language. I am from England and as racism is open here, I dread to find anything as non-factual and opinionated.

I would like to request that the article is deleted.

Sywretta Bernard —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sywretta (talk • contribs) 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Which part, in particular, do you find offensive? KingOfTheMedia (talk) 20:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I would also be interested in knowing what parts of that article is written in "hideous and racially offensive language". Which parts are non-factual? Which parts are opinionated? If you want to discuss specific issues with the article (which has been around for about 3 years), then you can do so on the article's talk page here. If you mean "Why is there a page about black dolls, whereas there is not about white dolls", the reason should be reasonably obvious: the vast majority of dolls produced in the UK, America, Canada, Australia, etc, are white. They are covered in the Doll article. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:48, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The place to request deletion of an article is at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion, not here. 95j (talk) 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I presume you are referring to Black dolls. I fail to see the issue— the article seems factual and fairly well written. If you have problems, please discuss on the talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  20:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I am from England. I myself can find nothing about the article that would be specifically offensive in an English context, and concur that the tone appears neutral and the article factual as far as it goes. If the OP would point out what they regard as hideous and racially offensive language, it would be helpful. Karenjc 14:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

A related but separate question (that I will pursue on the article's talk page): why is there a separate article for black dolls? The Doll article is not too long and, unless I am missing something, black dolls do not appear to be a separate and distinct genre from white or other "ethnic" (sorry can't think of a better word) dolls. The content of black doll could easily be merged into doll. – ukexpat (talk) 17:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I get rid of this big, empty box?

Sorry for the second question in a day, but how do I get rid of this big box here? Thanks in advance, KingOfTheMedia (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries, there's no limit to the questions you can ask! Hopefully, that doesn't mean that we'll end up with hundreds a day from you! Seriously, the problem was the rowspan=2 which you used on every line. I'm not sure what you wanted to do with that - but it caused the problem (you also didn't close the table with |} either). Is the change I made what you wanted? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

That is amazing. Thanks very much! KingOfTheMedia (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad to be of service! If you look at this diff, it will show you exactly what I did. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

May 13

Why would you destroy a good article and leave only the negative information which happens to be incorrect anyway.

Sirs or Madams

You had an article in your "famous persons from Michigan City" article which included the following persons: Rev Tina Redden: International Gospel Singer songwriter musician Rev Neil Singleton: 6 time world heavyweight kickboxing champion Ken Young: National 16 time National Heavyweight Tae Kwon Do Champion Timothy Redden: National Middleweight Tae Kwon Do Champion Terry Redden: National Heavy weight Tae Kwon Do Champion

All of these statements could have been very easily substantiated. However, they were removed and the only African American listed was Johnson Van Dyke Grisby who was noted for spending the most time in the Indiana State Prison and he was not from michigan City Ind any way. We have many minorities that has made tremendous names for themselves and this town other than one that was not born here but committed a crime and was imprisioned in the state the crime was committed.

The five persons first mentioned does reside in Michigan city and has accomplished what was written about them, google their names and find out.

Johnson Van Dyke Grisby was not from michigan city, this type of article gives our young people nothing to be proud of and they are being instructed not to include wiki in any of their school studies as well as the local higher education facilities. You need to correct this. Making African Americans to look only as prison material is not what wiki should be striving for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.178.165 (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If you have some reliable independent sources of information that verify that those five individuals meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines (and especially the guidelines on the notability of living people), then please do add them to the article, with those citations. With regard to Johnson Van Dyke Grisby, if you have reliable sources which show that he is not from Michigan, then remove his name and cite the sources in your edit summary. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 00:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

One thought I had was the Michigan City, Indiana article could have been subject to vandalism to deliberately remove some people and not others. However, I am now puzzled by 71.239's question. The list of 10 prisoners who have been held at Indiana State Prison was removed in January 2010 (incorrectly IMHO since it seems many prisoners were quite notable, including John Dillinger, though I cannot say whether Johnson Van Dyke Grisby was notable but he has never had an article written about him). It is also worth noting that it was a list of prisoners held at the prison, not prisoners from Michigan City.

As for the Redden/Young/Singleton family, they were added in April 2007 and then removed three times in Aug/Sept 2007, each time because there were no articles about these people. The list is for notable people, which many people take to mean they should have a Misplaced Pages article about them. However, like PhantomSteve hints at above, if they meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria then please do write articles about them. I'm sure once articles are established, there will be no difficulty adding them to the Michigan City article and having them stay there. Astronaut (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

User talk page question

I have been taken to task by an editor for responding to another editor's comments on his/her own talk page. I was a bit surprised by this as it seems to be fairly common for editors to do this. On checking the user talk page guidelines I cannot find anything that forbids editors from responding to comments on user talk pages not made by the user. I will appreciate any information or advice on what is considered appropriate in this respect. Thanks. Afterwriting (talk) 05:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If I understood you correctly, then you're User C in this situation: User B posts on User A's talk page, and User C notices B's post.

Many User As don't mind if user C replies to user B on their talk page, especially if A and C know each other on Misplaced Pages. Such is the case with User:Jimbo's talk page. However, if A asks C not to carry out discussions on their talk page, it would be polite if C respected that request. If community discussion is required, it can be done on an article talk page and user C can request A and B to join in there.

Did I understand your question correctly? liquidluck✽talk 05:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Yes, I am User C in this situation. The editor who was critical of my commenting was User A who criticised me for commenting on a message from another editor ( User B ). I can appreciate an editor asking me not to comment in this way if that is their preference - but I cannot find any policy or guideline about this and User A seems to believe that such a policy exists. Any further clarification about this will be appreciated. Thanks. Afterwriting (talk) 05:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

There is no such policy, because users do not actually own their userspace. However, it really is so pointless to argue about, it's better to just let the user have his way. Almost no good ever comes from trying to convince someone otherwise. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not interested in arguing or asserting a right to make such comments - I was only really interested in having this matter clarified in terms of policy or etiquette guidelines, especially since other editors have sometimes made unwelcome responses to other editors' comments on my own talk page. Afterwriting (talk) 06:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You are allowed to remove posts from your own talk page as you desire (with certain exceptions). Its preferred that you archive them, but it isn't necessary. Check out WP:REMOVED and Misplaced Pages:USERTALK#Editing_of_other_editors_user_and_user_talk_pages for more information. liquidluck✽talk 01:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Beta today

Could someone point me to the discussion that showed that people have to use Beta from the start and then turn the features off, instead of the usual layout with the option to turn them on? And that it is switched from this week? Simply south (talk) 08:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't find it offhand, but it was discussed at meta - as it involves all the WMF projects. If you are on the mailing list for announcements, it was there; I'm pretty sure that the Signpost covered it a while ago. I'm also pretty sure that it's been covered in the press as well. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Also see this post on the Wikimedia Technical Blog. Graham87 14:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Socks 01 - WWE Socks

Is it possible that my old user name Socks 01 could be "joined" with WWE Socks. I was formerly Socks 01 previous to 2007 and now only use WWE Socks. Could those edits made with Socks 01 ever be transfered to WWE Socks or not? Just asking. Thanks WWE Socks 08:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

As it appears that you created a new account rather then ask for your old one to be renamed, the edits cannot be re-allocated to your new account. You could have your old talk page redirect to your new talk page, and on your old user page have a note explaining that this is your old account, and linking to the new account. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Need help on creating page.

I have created a page for my company and product. But don't know how to edit the things in WikiPedia. I need help from someone. Kindly find the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/Trinken. Asking someone to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhgroupbd (talk • contribs) 10:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome! Unfortunately, it looks like your page will be deleted soon under our criteria for speedy deletion because it seems to exist purely to promote something. Misplaced Pages is not here to be used to advertise companies or products. Unfortunately, your username could also be a problem as it does not comply with our username policy. Again, the problem is that it is promotional, and the fact that it appears to represent a group of people. Your username must only represent one individual (you!) You are welcome to request a username change to something non-promotional, but even then, you should not write articles about companies or products that you are connected to in real life. See: Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest and Misplaced Pages:Autobiography. Please post if you have any other questions. --BelovedFreak 10:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Get rid of beta

I want this new "beta" style gone but I don't and can't have an account. How do you get rid of it without signing in? 82.44.55.254 (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, the only way to do so is to have an account. All unregistered users need to use the default "Vector" skin. When I logged out and looked, there was no option to change it (as you don't have "preferences" unless you are logged in. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to write a greasemonkey script that could force monobook to be the default skin? 82.44.55.254 (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know! You said that you "can't have an account" - the IP doesn't appear to be blocked from creating an account, so do you mean that you don't want to? Is there a particular reason why you don't want to? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

On some computer networks in schools and workplaces, there are filters to stop people creating accounts, at least in my school there is. This could be why... Chevymontecarlo. 12:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I feel we should allow IP's to have some option of getting out of the new features, but I am not sure if it is technically feasible. Immunize (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

a new look for the environment

To whom it may concern,

Recently I heard that dark backgrounds for one's screen saves more energy than Light backgrounds, this apparently is because using a white screen requires more energy. This is why Google has created a custom search known as Blackle (http://www.blackle.com/), where the screen is completely black. Now, I know that Misplaced Pages is a very well known source of information and many people around the world use it. So I was wondering If we could save energy together for our planet's sake and change the main color of Misplaced Pages to black. It may not be big but every bit counts..and we have come to a point where a change must be done. I thought that to save the environment, I might ask you to please make this change. I know maybe this might make the layout less pleasant But I find it important we do so!

Thank You and please do consider my comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.129.235.3 (talk) 11:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

An interesting idea! However, the Help desk is probably not the best place to ask - you might consider placing a proposal about this at the Village Pump (proposals) - To make it easier, here is a link to create a new section there. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

A couple of things, 1) Blackle is unconnected to google and 2) Google themselves reject the idea saying that it would use as much energy if not more. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Registered users can go to Special:Preferences, click a tab called Gadgets and select "Use a black background with green text". It's unlikely to become default due to readability. Note that only CRT monitors may have a noticeable energy reduction with a black background. LCD monitors work in another way. http://hubpages.com/hub/How-much-power-do-we-save-if-GOOGLE-screen-turns-black-or-grey says: "But an LCD monitor displaying any color is using far less power than a CRT monitor displaying a dark screen. If you're concerned about energy savings, use LCD over CRT." See also http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-black-new-green.html which says: "flat-panel monitors (already estimated to be 75% of the market), displaying black may actually increase energy usage". The 75% must have increased since 2007. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New Article to appear when searching wikipedia

I have recently created a article in my user space at: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:GoldsmithKA/The_Second_Regional_Forum_on_the_Prevention_of_Genocide&redirect=no I moved the article out of my space to: http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Second_Regional_Forum_on_the_Prevention_of_Genocide

When I search for the page on wikipedia main page, it does not appear as the new page and i have to search first using my username page one. How can I make the new page appear in the search results and how do I stop to username page from doing so.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldsmithKA (talk • contribs) 12:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It may take a while for the server to update itself, so maybe that's why you can't get it in the main area search results yet. Chevymontecarlo. 12:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The page was moved only two hours ago. It often takes time for search results to be updated with new articles. Just wait a day or two. --Mysdaao 12:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Why is there hundreds of German place articles tagged here?

Did a bot just blitz all of these articles and tag them all? Not too long ago there was only a couple of pages in this category, now there are thousands and they're all German places. Why is this? Chevymontecarlo. 12:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It is due to a change to {{Infobox German location}}. On May 7, the template was changed to automatically add a reference for population data. It was discussed and requested at Template talk:Infobox German location#Automatically updated population numbers. The template is fully protected, so if you want it changed, you'll have to discuss it on the talk page. --Mysdaao 12:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

(Automatically updating population figures? That's really cool!)

According to Category:Pages with missing references list, SmackBot should fix this (i.e. add in the missing <references /> tag) when it next runs - it last ran on 7 May.

Cheers, TFOWR 12:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for explaining that. I think I'll wait until SmackBot is run again before I start helping to fix the other articles in the category, since it's going to do that anyway so I'll be sort of wasting my time trying to clear the backlog myself. Chevymontecarlo. 12:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries! My first thought, when I saw the category, was that I'd simply start working through the list myself, adding <references />... 200 entries and we're still only at "A"? No chance! I'll wait for SmackBot too! TFOWR 17:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Coord not working

The coord function seems to have gone haywire. For example, the coordinates here Lot_(river) were working yesterday. GloverEpp (talk) 12:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Which problem do you see? Does it help to bypass your cache or purge affected pages? There was a coord problem 3 days ago which may still require some unedited pages to be purged, but Lot (river) has been edited since then. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me. Can you find a site that has a coord that is working correctly. If so, show it to me and I'll give it a try. GloverEpp (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a problem in Lot (river) or other tested articles. Can you please be more specific about what you see and what you were expecting to see. The problem 3 days ago involved an error message displayed in some articles using coord. Is your current problem an error message in articles, or the way coordinates are or are not displayed in articles, or what happens when you click on coordinates, or something else? There are several coordinates in Lot (river) so also be specific about which of them give you problems or whether it is all of them. We may see different things for a number of reasons. I'm not looking at your screen. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Disregard this problem. It appears to be working correctly now. GeoHack was giving error messages that it is no longer giving. GloverEpp (talk) 13:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I was seeing them too. I assume it had something to do with the rollout of the new Vector skin, but it apppears to be sorted out now. Deor (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

What's happened

Something about the design of Misplaced Pages has changed today, and I would like some way to opt out of it.Twinkle is harder to use, WP:Friendly does not work, and I overall dislike the new look of Misplaced Pages. Please change it back. Immunize (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Click here to turn it off. Or, if that doesn't work, click the take me back link at the top right or your screen. See also stockwatch article on the (then planned) changes Spitfire 13:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what the "Take me back" link does. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, you can do what I did which was to change my preferences back to monobook. The main reason that I am using Monobook instead of vector is that even copying my monobook.js file to vector.js, some of the scripts I use do not work under Vector, and they are too useful for me! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Likewise, the new design is cool, but that is outweighed for me by script functionality. – ukexpat (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Contacting someone on the Supreme Court

How does one go about contacting anyone on The Supreme Court? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritjohn1 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How does one go about contacting the Supreme Court? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritjohn1 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I have added a header to your question to differentiate it from others on the page.

This is a help desk dedicated to questions about how to use Misplaced Pages. Your question would have been more appropriate for the Reference Desk. However, assuming you're asking about the United States Supreme Court, there is a contact page on their website here that may be what you're looking for. Karenjc 14:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Oxybenzone page problem

In trying to look at Oxybenzone (sunscreen) page, I click the link and am immediately prompted to save or run a file. My firewall blocks the page; unusual, as most wikipedia pages are clean and easy to view. any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.46.140 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It works for me. What link did you go to? Try this: Oxybenzone--Unionhawk 15:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Still giving me a security warning (unknown file type 11kb). Not sure...thanks for looking at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.110.141 (talk) 18:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Need to be able to upload an image to replace an outdated one

I need to change an image on the page for the institution for which I work. I have had a Misplaced Pages account for 4 years but I am not yet an "autoconfirmed" user. Is there any way to become a "confirmed" user, or do I just need to go make more edits first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by VanessaR (talk • contribs) 15:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you need more edits. Autoconfirmation requires 10 edits and 4 days. You have the time, but you need two more edits.--Unionhawk 15:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

IP up to no good

I believe this IP 209.104.237.162 is up to no good. I corrected the change it made to a site I watch, but not to the others it has changed. GloverEpp (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It appears to be vandalism. If the IP persists, you can report them to WP:AIV, where an admin can block them from editing. TNXMan 15:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Help me choose a username!

I really hate usernames, but Misplaced Pages requires one to have an account. So help me decide. I want a username isn't long, annoying, pretentious, or related to me in any way. Go! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.113.44 (talk) 15:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.113.44 (talk)

You are not required to have an account. If you choose to edit anonymously, your IP address will be recorded in the edit history. Xenon54 (talk) 16:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You need a username to have an account. I need help choosing a username. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.113.44 (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I think IP wants to change the skin, and knows the only way to do that is with an account.--SPhilbrickT 20:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Why not a random latin name like one used for a species, like Striella for example, there are plenty of place on here you could look, that came from Sphaeromatidae. 86.7.19.159 (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Try wikt:Special:RandomPage if you want to get a random word from a multitude of languages. Just put a couple together (e.g. Secare Pettava) and you have your username. PleaseStand 21:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You could also create a username by combining a random word with a random combination of letters after it, or change some of the letters of your names into numbers - for example, R94N or L3W7S. Chevymontecarlo. 11:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Or you could even create a username that refers to your IP address, like Mr.98 has chosen to do. Buddy431 (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this customary?

I noticed that the bulk of the article Treaty of Rapallo, 1922 is simply the text of that treaty. Is it customary to include the text? Shouldn't the article focus more on the motivations and implications rather than just reproducing this material? Sir Nils (talk) 16:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You're correct. I've removed the text, since we're not a secondary source. If you have other material to add, please do so! TNXMan 16:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the text could be added to Wikisource if it's not already there? – ukexpat (talk) 16:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the helpful responses! I'd never heard of Wikisource before, but I've copied over the treaty text http://en.wikisource.org/Treaty_of_Rapallo, which I hope I did correctly. I'll do my best to expand the Rapallo article this evening. Cheers. Sir Nils (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How to go back to the new (improved) wikipedia?

Is it possible to switch back and forth between the two wikipedia's (the old- and the new one)? I pressed the 'take me back' button, but after that I wanted to give the new improved wikipedia a try, but I don't know how to change back. :s --Robster1983 (talk) 16:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Go to New features and click on 'Click here' under Try them out! Homework2 sign! 16:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thnx Hereforhomework!!! :) --Robster1983 (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Added a biography

I added a mini biography for a stub article you had for Robert Naylor voice actor (he is my son). Now, if you search Robert Naylor, the article no longer comes up. I am not sure what I did wrong??

Thanks

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.187.83 (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The article still exists: Robert Naylor (voice actor), but your mini biography has been removed because there were no references to reliable sources. As his father, you are not likely to be a neutral information-giver. Lova Falk 16:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, do you mean Robert Naylor (voice actor)? It looked like your edit worked, but I'm afraid I have removed what you have added. One problem is that you have added material that is unreferenced. It's very important (especially with articles about living people) that you add references to reliable sources, to make sure that all information is verifiable. I understand that as your father, you probably know him better than anyone, but as I'm sure you can imagine, anyone could claim to know him and then add whatever information they liked. Another problem is that the information wasn't completely neutral. Thirdly, as the subject's father, you have a clear conflict of interest, and it is strongly discouraged that you edit such an article. The best thing for you to do would be to find references to reliable secondary sources (such as newspaper articles), and add any changes you think should be made to the article talkpage at Talk:Robert Naylor (voice actor) so that impartial editors can add the information. Hope this helps, --BelovedFreak 16:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Change to account name

Is the first letter of account names alwsys capitalized, whether or not the registrant made it so? I didn't think that I typed it in as a capital letter; I prefer that it not be. But it appears as a capital letter. Is it possible to change it to a lower-case letter? Thanks. Uofmproffice (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but all usernames are automatically capitalized. You can, however, adjust your signature to only use lowercase letters. I should also let you know that our username policy only permits usernames that represent one person. Your username seems indicate a group account. Is this the case? TNXMan 16:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

And if you want your user and user talk pages to display with a lower case letter (see mine for example), just add the {{lowercase title}} template to the top of both pages. – ukexpat (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing a Reality TV Show plot summary - what to do?

Hello, I've recently finished getting Big Brother 2009 (UK) to GA level and that article has a well-sourced weekly summary (aka plot section). I'd like to replicate something similar for a new article I'm working on; Junior Apprentice. However, I'm finding accurate sources describing what happened in the first episode very hard to come by (most articles that include the plot summary only go into the basics or are very vague). I then came across WP:PLOTSUM and noticed that a plot summary does not actually need to be sourced - but what about one for a Reality TV programme? Is this different as the events really occurred? Should I use only secondary sources, a combination of secondary sources and the cite episode template (my ideal preference) or no sources at all/just the cite episode template? I'd really like to get the article up to GA level once the programme is over. KingOfTheMedia (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi King, Misplaced Pages:PLOTSUM#Citations seems to mention you do need sources. The article anyway is an essay, not a policy or an official guideline. Reality TV programme plot summaries are no different from normal wikipedia entries. Depend on RS only. And if getting RS is tough, then try harder. That's about it. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ 12:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

New features

The new features added are supposed to include an updated editing bar. I'm using the Vector skin and see no changes. Is this normal? Thanks, Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 16:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The edit bar should be new if you formerly used Monobook, which is the case for all anonymous users and registered users who did not participate in the beta test. If you were in the Vector beta test you should see no difference. A picture of the new bar can be seen at Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch. Xenon54 (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, But, what about the link wizard? Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 17:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The link wizard is part of the new editing toolbar. Click the link icon (third from the left) on the top of the new editing toolbar to use it. --Mysdaao 17:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Please see Moved to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) § Problems with editing under New features. Several of us have reported mal-functions in the new interface and are wondering where?/who? to address the problems to. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mysdaao, but I meant the inernal/external link wizard. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 18:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Er...no. The link wizard is behind the chain icon, which is the third button from the left. This particular icon is to the right of the separator (to the left of which is bold/italics) and to the left of the small picture icon. Xenon54 (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

Quite often I see edits in my watchlist from either IPs or red linked users where the edit is just the addition of interlanguage links. 99.99% of the time, it seems that way at least, they don't put in an edit summary. Because they're IPs or red link users, and there's no edit summary, I check them to see if the edit is vandalism. So why don't these users put in an edit summary? Something like ".ru wiki" at the very least would be incredibly helpful.

Yes, I realize that none of you are psychics and can't tell me exactly but there are so many users that make these edits who don't put in edit summaries that it seems like there must be some underlying reason. Any ideas? And am I the only one who's noticed this habit/phenomenon? Dismas| 18:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps because they're editors from the links' target-language Wikipedias, and they don't feel competent communicating in English (even if it's just to add ".ru.wiki" or the like). Deor (talk) 18:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Most people don't use edit summaries. IPs almost never do. I wouldn't imagine that interlanguage edits are particularly different in this regard to other edits, just that you've noticed them more because you've been examining them. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Some people don't see any reason to use edit summaries for minor edits. Some of the people adding interwiki links may not speak any English, and it just may not have occurred to them to put something like ".ru wiki". Another thought is that perhaps using edit summaries isn't as widely used on other language Wikipedias.--BelovedFreak 22:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

why does wikipedia use incorrect spelling of words such as "baptised" and "neighbour" as opposed to the correct english spelling, baptized, and neighbor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.86.243 (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I find it particularly amusing (in a sad pathetic way) that you condemn the actual spellings used by actual English people as not being "the correct english spelling"! --Orange Mike | Talk 13:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I personally have nothing against the spelling of our American neighbours, but when I read this... I lolled irl. "If it isn't what we do, it's WRONG!". Pfft. Ale_Jrb 17:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Please see: WP:ENGVAR, it explains the differences between the various English spellings, and that WP doesn't prefer to use one spelling over another. So, the spelling variations are not "incorrect", but different, depending on where you are from. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

...and in particular depending on the subject matter of the article. – ukexpat (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

See also American and British English differences. As others have hinted at, Misplaced Pages's guideline is to use the correct regional variety in articles dealing with that specific region -- so you will see "neighbor" and "baptized" in articles about American topics, and "neigbour" and "baptised" in articles about topics elsewhere in the English-speaking world. The original variety is used if the article does not have specific regional ties, for example articles about scientific or mathematical topics. (Spelling is just another example of how us Americans have to be weird -- along with disliking football, clinging stubbornly to customary units, being one of the last democracies on earth where the leader is elected indirectly, and holding on to a bizarrely confusing color-and-shape system for road signs. What a country!) Xenon54 (talk) 21:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Point of order! Point of order! I grew up with the Commonwealth spellings ("colour", "honour", etc), and I find use those spellings to this day. I do feel, however, that Noah Webster had a point, and it's some regret to me that his spelling reforms didn't spread further than North America. The US being weird? I'd prefer to think it's the rest of us being old-fashioned :-) TFOWR 21:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

One area where American exceptionalism is actually rather nice is the remarkably forward-thinking policy of the US Federal Government to put most of its works into the public domain. That's way better for Misplaced Pages than that Crown Copyright stuff, no disrespect intended. The UK followed us into Iraq, hopefully it will follow us into the brave new world of information sharing too. --Teratornis (talk) 00:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

<even smaller>Don't hold your breath on that one - I think the new coalition government has bigger fish to fry.</even smaller> – ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Adjusting View

Wiki is huge, is there anyway to adjust the page size, I would need a 40" monitor to view the pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.38.254 (talk) 20:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Many Misplaced Pages pages are long and require scrolling down, for example with a Page Down key or by using the mouse on a vertical scrollbar in the right side of the browser window. This is standard on the World Wide Web. We are not going to reduce article size to fit everything on a typical computer screen. Do you mean there are pages where you are unable to see the content in any way? Or is the problem that the text size is too large for you. In that case, try holding down the Ctrl key while pressing the minus key '-' or scrolling down the mouse wheel. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Or did you mean you'd wish to see the whole of Misplaced Pages in one 40`` monitor? :) ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ 11:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

What just happened to the font

I was sitting here reading a page and some kind of adjustment happened. Now the font is very light, small, and hard to read. I tried it on another computer and it is the same way. Thats too bad. I hope you guys fix it because this just went from the best site on the web to almost unusable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpg4923 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You have a username, so you can click "Take me back" at the top of the screen when logged in and you can have the old Misplaced Pages back. By the way, what web browser (Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, etc.) are you using, and what operating system (Windows XP, Vista, 7, or Mac OS X)? Some people have the problem with the new look, some don't. PleaseStand 21:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

But I thought that the new look didn't change the font. --Pgecaj (talk) 02:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi KPG, If the issue is with your browser, press the <CTRL> key, and while keeping the key pressed, scroll up using the mouse roller. If the issue is with the way Misplaced Pages's new look has changed your experience, you could click here. When you go to the bottom of that page, you'll see a link that allows you to switch off the new features. Make sure you're logged in when you do this, so your preferences are saved. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ 10:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone keeping track of the percentage of active users who opt to keep their screens the same as they were? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The preferences statistics wouldn't be useful so soon into implementation. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ 12:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirects vs. Disambiguation

I'm interested in posting a page about a company. However, a company with a similar (not identical) name has posted a simple redirect to their page. (e.g. I want to create a page about Daisy Software, but Daisy Soft has a redirect from {Daisy Software} to their own page.)

My question: what is the protocol for changing/removing the redirect? I have no problem setting up a disambiguation page, but do I have to notify them?

Thanks in advance. VestigalSanity 22:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msaarima (talk • contribs)

1. Make sure that the subject of your article meets the general notability guideline or you may find your article deleted. Note that if the company is your own company, creation of the article is a conflict of interest and should not be done.
2. You will see the text (Redirected from Daisy Software) when you are redirected. Click on Daisy Soft.
3. Click "Edit" at the top of the page.
4. Paste in the text of your article. If you have already done a userspace draft, try to move the page to the correct location using the "Move" function (which may be under the drop-down arrow). Capitalization does matter. If it does not work, ask for help at requested moves.
5. Add {{distinguish|Daisy Soft}} at the top and save the page.
6. Add {{distinguish|Daisy Software}} to the top of the other page.

Regards, PleaseStand 23:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles for same-named folks

Hello help desk! I wanted to ask some people knowledgeable on procedures before I wrote an article and maybe stepped on someone's toes.

I want to write a biography of an individual, but that person's name is the heading of another article about a different person. The original person doesn't seem very notable and has been dead for a long time, and doesn't have many links pointing there, so I was wondering if it would be okay to just "take over" this article and make it about this still living, more notable person, or if I should try to get the article deleted due to notability and then remark the article. Thanks. Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You should do neither. To resolve title conflicts, a qualifier in parentheses after a topic is used. If there is no primary topic, the unqualified title becomes a disambiguation page. If there is, the pimary topic occupies the unqualified title with a hatnote pointing to a relevant disambiguation page. Intelligentsium 22:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

To elaborate, if the person is a musician named Winston Churchill, for example, you could name the article something like Winston Churchill (musician). Then add {{for|the musician|Winston Churchill (musician)}} to the top of the other article so that readers can find yours. PleaseStand 22:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for the information and the quick response. I really think the article that is currently at the person's name is not notable, would it be okay in this case to create a new article with (whatev) after it, and then delete the article that is just the name, and then move (whatev) to the name with the ( )? This is assuming, of course, that there is made a consensus that the article is not v. noteworthy. Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 22:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Move the existing article to the new name and then where it says (Redirected from Winston Churchill) when you go to the name you want to put the article at, click that link and then use the "Edit" function at the top of the page to add your article. If you have started a userspace draft, you should use the move function to move the draft over the redirect you have just created by performing the first move (you should not need to be an admin to do that, but if it fails ask at WP:RM). PleaseStand 23:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If you think the existing article should be deleted, you can nominate it for deletion. Please read WP:deletion policy, which explains the different processes and criteria for deleting articles. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help dudes! I really appreciate it. I just added a prod or something to the unsourced, imnotable person article. I appreciate ur help here. :) Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your ProD; you used the BLP prod, but the subject is not a living person. In addition, having competed in the Championship Car series seems to meet the criterion of "competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis, " of WP:ATHLETE. Intelligentsium23:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I knew that person was dead, but for some reason it didn't register when I kept reading living person. Sorry for the mistake! I did look at the WP:ATHLETE and thought that it proved this guy wasn't notable. I'm not the best rememberer when it comes to policy and "what it is that it means." I just took a look at the motorsport section of WP:NSPORT and I guess this guy does meet the requirements. Please do not look down upon me for being a bit too hasty. :) Is there anyway to get him deleted since the article has been around for years, doesn't cite anything, and has very few articles pointing at it? Peter Napkin Dance Party (talk) 00:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC) (thanks for all of ur help everyone)

Notability is permanent; if the guy meets our standards, he stays. Just go ahead and create the new article for the second person, with the distinguishing characteristic in parenthesis after. We don't create a disambiguation page for situations where there are only two people of that name. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages doesn't work on the PS3 browser

Not sure if this has been raised as an issue already, but Misplaced Pages pages do not seem to render correctly on the browser built into the PS3, since the introduction of the new page style. I seem to get two vertical blank strips, about a third of the way and two thirds of the way across the page, which probably blank out about half of an article's content. I have tried various settings on the browser but it always seems to render the same. SilverTrack (talk) 22:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

This appears to be a known issue as there are several users who already posted this issue on the feedback page, you may be interested in 1, 2 and 3. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Jeffrey. Hope they can fix it soon because I, along with one of the other posters, tend to use the PS3 for a lot of browsing, including Misplaced Pages. Thanks again SilverTrack (talk) 18:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

im not a spammer i just want to help people

Im not a spammer and never have been. I believe the content on my sites is very valuable information for other readers also on some blogs there is some very good medical help for sufferers. My comments say that some of my sites are the biggest source of information they have foun don the web as some are over 1000 pages long. So am i still allowed only to post a couple of links? Or can i post more? I just dont want to get banned, i prefer to go by the rules. Please advise, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Owlpal (talk • contribs) 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If your content is valuable, people will find it. That's how the Web works - there are all sorts of ways for people to recommend things they like to their friends. Stuff that isn't being promoted by its consumers probably is not valuable. Read WP:EL and WP:SPAMHOLE. On Misplaced Pages we generally don't need or want a lot of external links; what we need and want are reliable published sources to use in footnote references. Also see WP:COI, WP:NOBLECAUSE, and Misplaced Pages:Medical disclaimer. Misplaced Pages does not issue medical advice, nor would we want to seem to be endorsing sites that do, unless they are properly licensed to practice medicine. If you want to see coverage of your sites on Misplaced Pages, get your sites written about in the news media. Get enough media coverage, and eventually some of that may filter into Misplaced Pages. If the news media doesn't care about what you are doing, then it probably is not notable enough for Misplaced Pages. --Teratornis (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

May 14

EDIT BAR

If I use the MonoBook skin, why the edit bar is not as used to be? but rather is the new look -- even after i select it as my preference. I emphasize that I can get back everything else except for the edit bar. By the way, did the logo change too? didnt the words underneath it used--"The Free Encyclopaedia--used to be italicized. --Pgecaj (talk) 02:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Try purging (see WP:PURGE if unfamiliar with purging). Yes the logo has been updated in a few ways, information on the updates to the logo can be found here. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 02:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

password recovery

how does one go about resetting their password if they do not have an email account linked to their account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.170.185.65 (talk) 05:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

They don't, unfortunately. If it's the username you want, that can be fixed by making a new account and renaming; if the contribs, the best you can do (afaik) is make a new account and say that the previous one was your old account. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 07:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Searching without mouse

How do we search the new Wiki interface without having to grab the mouse or sign in?? 211.199.129.58 (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Alt+Shift+F works for me. --ColinFine (talk) 07:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

There are a number of keyboard shortcuts that you can use whilst using Misplaced Pages - see here for more details. Chevymontecarlo. 11:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't log into my account, why?

I can't log into my account, why?? This sucks big time Please restore my account <redacted> malcolmp malcolmpalm thanks in advance

Malcolm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.179.68 (talk) 07:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email oversight-llists.wikimedia.org.

It is very unlikely that anybody has done anything to your account. Are you sure that you have the password right, and you haven't got the CAPS LOCK key engaged? --ColinFine (talk) 07:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Malcolm, in case you've forgotten your password > How can you recover a forgotten password! ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ _―Œ 10:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Special:MergeAccount

Does changing your password on one project change it across all of them? What about email? Also, is there a way to set my language to en by default across all projects? {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 07:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

According to Help:Unified login, the answer to the first two questions is yes. For the last question, "The wiki where the account of that username has the most contributions will become the home wiki (however, sysop status takes higher precedence than edit count), and its email address and password will be exported to all other accounts." Apparently, edit count determines the default language. Goodvac (talk) 07:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

No, not the homewiki... like, if you visit another wiki, the interface is by default in that language. I have set it to en on some, but would rather not have to manually set it to en on all. But thanks for the rest of the help, reassuring :) {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 08:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

If you visit another wiki, the assumption is you know the language well enough to use the interface in the native language. It would be annoying if I set the interface to English here, then I went to German Misplaced Pages only to find that I have to set the interface back to German. I don't think it works like that. Xenon54 (talk) 10:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

gemma jones

Hello there! we love gemma jones in the "The Dutches of Duke Street. " does she have any more series or movies like that particular one? Our absolute favorite. I would appreciate any help. Is she in any more series like that! thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.46.231 (talk) 12:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Does Gemma Jones help you? Astronaut (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Return to page logged in from

How do I get login to return me to the page I logged in from, e.g. Main Page, instead of dropping me into a "login successful" page and forcing me to return manually? kcylsnavS (kalt) 12:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that it's possible (that is, I think it's hard-coded). However, you may want to ask at the technical village pump, as they will know more than I. TNXMan 14:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I was told

         You can force the redirection on your monobook.js / vector.js by adding

         

         if (wgCanonicalSpecialPageName == "Userlogin")

              addOnloadHook( function() { document.location =

         document.getElementById('mw-returnto').getElementsByTagName('a').href; }

         );

Edit bar error

I have a problem with my edit bar. I have not been able to do any editing of my articles. Also, the article pages in wikpedia and wikicommons appear disorganised. Will some one resolve this problem so that I can continue contribtuing articles to wikipedia at my fast pace. Please leave a note in this regard on my talk page so that I can try to rectify such errors on my own in future. I am writing my user address User:Nvvchar since my signature is also not getting recorded. Thanks.

How to create the table of contents

I am writing my first page. I cannot find the markup codes adding the table of contents. Could you direct me to an introduction to this topic?

JWprogr (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)JWprogr User:JWprogr/I3

It is too easy, as the ToC will be automatically created when you have more than two or three sections.--SPhilbrickT 17:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought I was four sections. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 17:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It is automatic once there are four. Which is the same as "more than three".--SPhilbrickT 18:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

See WP:TOC. – ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

If you put __TOC__ at the begining of an article it will force the TOC to be rendered even if it has less than 4 sections. Zell Faze (talk) 20:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes it will but I don't think it should be widely used. If an article only has 2 or 3 sections, does it really need a ToC? – ukexpat (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Most articles that are more than stubs should end up with at least four sections. The standard footer sections often give two or three by themselves. An article with only two or three sections total could benefit from a ToC if the sections are too long to fit on a single screen. However, if the sections are that long, the article probably needs more section headings to subdivide the long sections, in which case the ToC would appear automatically. Thus I wouldn't expect to see many articles that really need to include the __TOC__ directive. It might be useful to include during the very early stages of editing an article, when you plan to add more sections but there aren't enough yet to make the ToC appear. --Teratornis (talk) 02:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

(←) Some comments on the draft in User:JWprogr/I3:

• See WP:PEACOCK. Some of the prose borders on promotional language. If you are affiliated with the subject, see WP:COI and WP:BFAQ.
• See WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, WP:RS, and WP:V. The draft contains a number of assertions with no footnote citations to support them. The draft cites no sources at all.
• See WP:LAYOUT for the standard article layout to follow.
• The article is about a company so it can have an {{Infobox company}}.
• See WP:YFA for general advice.
• Various typos:
  • "old fashion" should be "old-fashioned", but that is not a very encyclopedic term. It would be better to quantify the age or date that the term refers to only vaguely. Exactly when was the old-fashioned practice still in fashion?
  • "Irresistible Ink was Started in February 1991..." the word "started" should not begin with a capital letter.

--Teratornis (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Eddie Glaude

I started a new article: Eddie Glaude. The title of the article presents the subject person's last name in lower case (glaude). How can this be changed so that the title of the subject person's name appears in title case? (i.e., Eddie Glaude, rather than Eddie glaude). MujamiMuJami (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)MuJami

I moved it to Eddie Glaude. – ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• • thanks so much!!MuJami (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)MuJami

Someone keeps undoing my edits. What can I do?

Hi,

On the article about the Josh Ritter album So Runs the World Away there is an empty gap (you can see it here: http://twitpic.com/1nqmhx/full), which in my opinion looks really bad, and un-wikipediay. It can be fixed by putting the reviews in the info box. Most other albums have the reviews in the infobox (all Josh Ritter albums do apart from Josh Ritter, and lots of other albums do also, for example Modern Times, Country Music and Dear Heather).

Two or Three times I've put the reviews in the info box, but Bovineboy2008 un-does it.

The last time I did it I asked him not to undo it without discussing it on the Talk page first.

He did undo it and said on the talk page The use of reviews has been deprecated by the project and by the template. Sorry!.

What does that mean?

What can I do?

JoseySmith (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

He's telling you that some editors at WikiProject Albums have come to a consensus not to use the Reviews field of Infobox album anymore. The template's documentation reflects this consensus. There is really nothing you can do at the moment. (This is precisely the reason I try not to use jargon without at least linking to relevant pages, as I have done here. It doesn't require much effort!) Xenon54 (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The user means that the documentation for {{Infobox album}} says not to use the Reviews field anymore (see Template:Infobox album#Professional reviews) and that the WikiProject dedicated to musical albums has a consensus to put professional reviews in a separate section in the text and/or a separate table (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums#Reception. You can continue to discuss it with the user and/or bring up the issue at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Albums, but please do not repeatedly revert another user's edits. That is considered edit warring and can lead to being blocked. --Mysdaao 19:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks JoseySmith (talk) 22:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

user contributions

I'm using the "new features", but "user contributions" on the left to show contributions of registered users seems to have disappeared. Has it moved or is it gone? Bubba73 , 19:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Contributions is still in the "Toolbox" on the left-hand side. You may have to click on the word "Toolbox" to reveal the links contained therein. Xenon54 (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks. Bubba73 , 19:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Cite an application

How would one go about citing an application?

Lets say for example that I am writing an article in which I need to cite a source for the IP address of a server (I am not but bear with me here), how would I cite the nslookup command as my source?

What I am trying to do is cite the UI of a computer application directly rather than scouging the web looking for an article that talks about the specific portion of the UI in question.

If someone happens to know the answer could they leave me a message on my talk page to let me know you posted the answer here? Thank you, Zell Faze (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Normally you should not do this, as it is a primary source, Misplaced Pages preferably references secondary sources. --ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that you can "cite" it, but could you give it as an example? kcylsnavS (kalt) 23:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why was the search box moved to the top right?

The search box was, in my humble opinion, much more practical in its previous location. Is there a way to move it back the way it was or should I just go on to the German wiki where they haven't messed it up yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.222.188 (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

If you register an account you can go back to the old default skin (Monobook) (See here for details).

As far as I know, it's not possible for non-registered users to go back to the old skin.

Cheers, TFOWR 21:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Wrong photo link

In the article for Andrew W.K.'s album I Get Wet, ] the cover art on the main page is correct, but if you click on it, there's an entirely different picture there. Anyone know how to fix this so it links to the right photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.90.136 (talk) 21:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixed (I reverted back to the previous version of the file; the version used was too big as well as being ... odd (I don't know why different images were being displayed...))

Thanks for pointing this out!

Cheers, TFOWR 21:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Feedback repository

On the New features page in the site notice regarding the switch to Vector it says "We would love to hear from you. Please visit our feedback page. Anyone know to whom/where the feedback goes; if it's accessible?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Your famous persons from michigan city first deleted all the African Americans 3 times then when I revised it according to your specifications giving ample citations you still deleted it. Yet you have a man on there that is DJ for one lousy small radio station but rejects an internationally known singer, Your "💕' is exactly as i was told racist, prejudice and behind all manners of intelligence. I am a white girl and i did not believe when the African Americans at my church told me this would happen. I hate wiki and you need to shut down. your totally a bunch of biggots, I dont believe this and i defended wiki I will let the church know what was done here today. I cnt believe you. we need to move forward to be prejudice is dumb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthakas (talk • contribs) 23:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I cannot believe this blatant display of biasness and downright racist way of conducting wiki all Information was substanciated

Your famous persons from michigan city concerning The Rev Tina Redden first deleted all the African Americans 3 times. Then when I revised it according to your specifications giving ample citations and over 20 links to provide information you wanted,. you still deleted it.

Yet you have a white man on there that is DJ for one lousy small radio station but rejects an internationally known award winning singer, Your "💕' is exactly as i was told "racist, prejudice and behind all manners of intelligence". I am a white girl and i did not believe when the African Americans at my church told me this would happen. I hate wiki and you need to shut down. your totally a bunch of biggots, I dont believe this and i defended wiki I will let the church know what was done here today. I cnt believe you. we need to move forward to be prejudice is dumb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthakas (talk • contribs) 23:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthakas (talk • contribs)

No one here is prejudiced, racist, or unintelligent. Making personal attacks against specific editors or general attacks against the community will get you blocked. Consider this your only warning.

Lists of famous people have always had issues with inclusion criteria. Consensus is that in order to be listed in a list of famous people a person must meet the relevant notability guideline -- in this case, notability for musicians -- and have an article here at Misplaced Pages. Every list of famous people has the same criteria. We're not bigoted, and we're not out to slight the African-American community. You just have to meet our standards, which you still have not done.

Let me elaborate further: there is a correct way and an incorrect way to establish notability. The way you did it -- by throwing dozens of links all over the place and generally making a mess of the article -- is seen as unconstructive and will always be removed, especially since your addition did not have a neutral tone and most of the sources you provided would not be considered reliable, or otherwise questionable or not substantial enough to establish notability. You need to write a neutral, verifiable, encyclopaedic article that cites reliable sources in order to establish notability. Put another way, you must prove that Ms Redden is "internationally known" and "award winning", and you must do it correctly. See also Your first article and the tutorial, and it is a very good idea to read and understand every page I have linked in this post. Once you write a good article (it doesn't have to be very long), and it "sticks", or is not deleted, then you are free to add Ms Redden to the list. Xenon54 (talk) 00:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

You have been responded to with a smiling actor. Hopefully this will assist you in lightening up. This notice is intended to be humorous and not to be construed as an attack.
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Ks0stm  00:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

collapse left side of the page

An article on portfolio.com states that: "Items on the left side of the (Misplaced Pages) page, used for navigation, can be “collapsed,” or made to disappear."

How do I do that? I cannot find any instructions on how to collapse the left side of the Misplaced Pages page.

Thanx!

Bob O in Toronto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.252.195 (talk) 00:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello Bob, to collapse the various groups of links on the left side of the page you can click on their names -- "Interaction", "Toolbox" or "Languages" for example. Grey text and a downward pointing arrow indicates an uncollapsed group, while blue text and a rightward pointing arrow indicates a collapsed group. Xenon54 (talk) 01:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want the article to fill the whole width of the window then you can log in to an account and change to a skin with a design where the things usually at the left are at the top or bottom instead. Misplaced Pages displayed in different skins: Chick, Classic, Cologne Blue, Modern, MonoBook, MySkin, Nostalgia, Simple, Vector. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Creating userbox problem

Hi, I'm trying to create another userbox "http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Wolfdog406/UBX/judeochristiangod" but instead of letting me create the page, it goes to the "The page cannot be found" page.

Thanks

Wolfdog406 (talk) 01:09, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

To create the page, just visit it and click on "edit" tab located at the upper right, as you would do to edit any other article. You may then create the page from there. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, here is a direct link to the edit box for that page.. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Lately some users have reported not getting to an edit page when they click a link to a non-existing page. Does the link by Jeffrey Mall work for you? If not then which browser do you have? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Personal font preferences

I had set my display font to a serif font just after the change to this as default. I find serif far easier to read and the default non-serif as a useful "not logged in" alert. This functionality has disappeared with the latest revisions (upper right search box, rather than left margin). I followed the instructions to create my page "User:Leonard G./monobook.js", but this had no effect. Can anyone suggest a method, or perhaps alert the technical staff to a loss of functionality? Thanks, Leonard G. (talk) 03:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The new skin is called "vector", the old one was monobook. Therefore, to change your preferences go to User:Leonard G./vector.js instead, and follow the instructions as for monobook. Cheers, {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 03:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

submitted new word how long does it take to post

i submitted the word webicles for definition...how long does the process take?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metro4g (talk • contribs) 03:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

This is Misplaced Pages, the 💕. If you're submitting a definition, you may be talking about Wiktionary, the free dictionary. Either way, there is no set time. Misplaced Pages and Wiktionary are staffed by volunteers, and things will happen when they do them. Will you join us? {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 03:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

You submitted Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Webicles or webicles, but the submission has been declined because Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary, and because "i came up with" is not an appropriate reliable source. Please see WP:FIRST for some guidelines.  Chzz  ►  04:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Signing posts

Since the new software has been put into use it is impossible for me to sign posts due to a conflict with the internet server. Sometimes but not always my posts are autosigned.

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