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@Zjarri. please stop this blind revert strategy ]. This quote: "VAYIAS, Thanasis, 1765-1834, Epirot Greek, a confidant of Ali Pasha, wrongly thought by Makriyannis to be a betrayer of the Greek cause. Returned to Greece 1829 and given Government post by Capodistrias", is imposible to be written by Makrygiannis, actually this is written by Woodhouse. It would be kind of you if you read the quote first before adding the dubious tag.Alexikoua (talk) 22:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

That's not a revert because the dubious tag didn't exist before I added it. Labeling every edit you disagree with blind revert is a violation of wp:npa.--— ZjarriRrethues —  22:48, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You added a tag with a completely wrong edit summary, propably because you didn't see the source first. Woodhouse isn't 19th century, actually he wasn't born that century. This link ] proves that the descriptions in xxi& 234 p. belongs to him. I would appreciate if you initiate a discussion before you add any weird tags.Alexikoua (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Forewords aren't located in page 234, so that quote wasn't written by Woodhouse. If you can't find out who wrote that then the tag is necessary.--— ZjarriRrethues —  23:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

See again the link: "Description: xxi, 234 p. front., 17 plates (incl. ports. maps) 23 cm." Woodhouse' descriptions are located on front and back (p. 234, the last page). Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 23:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Even the Greek wiki, says he was Albanian: "Το 1812 εκστράτευσε εναντίον των Αλβανών του Αργυροκάστρου και του Γαρδικίου (ΒΔ του Αργυροκάστρου), ύστερα από εντολή του Αλή. Σύμφωνα, όμως με τον ποιητή Αριστοτέλη Βαλαωρίτη, στο έργο Θανάσης Βάγιας, η κατηγορία ότι σκότωσε 600 Γαρδικιώτες πρέπει να θεωρείται ανυπόστατη. Πέρα από τις αντιφατικές προσεγγίσεις των πηγών της εποχής, σχετικά με την συμπεριφορά του προς τους συμπατριώτες του, ο Βάγιας ήταν πιστά αφοσιωμένος στον Αλή Πασά, που τον υπηρέτησε πιστά ως την κατάλυση της εξουσίας του, το 1822.". The problem of course is that you think Woodhouse is a historian. I will try to find some refs.Balkanian`s word (talk) 09:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Balk.: I'm sorry but you need to brush up your Greek: it says that the inhabitants of Gardiq were Albanians, nothing about him. I remind you that Woodhouse is an expert on the field. If you need any explanations about the Greek version feel free to ask me since I was the main editor there. Happy searching.11:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Very funny, why should this mean that his compatriots were Albanians ]? According to the context they were Greeks. Some examples Makrygiannis & Valaoritis, that regarded him as traitor, obvisouly because he was Ali's confident & it's in full accordance with the lead (Οι πηγές της εποχής είναι ιδιαίτερα αντιφατικές σχετικά με τη δράση του: κάποιες των αναφέρουν ως προδότη του ελληνικού έθνους και άλλες ως ήρωα που διέσωσε χιλάδες συμπατριώτες του.) Alexikoua (talk) 12:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I have undone some of the usual POV-pushing using 19th century sources by Stupidus Maximus. "Sir Henry Holland", from 1815. For crying out loud. Enough with that already. Also interesting is how he insists on adding that Vayas was Albanian, but then removes "Muslim Albanian" from the description of Ali Pasha in this article. Athenean (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

What's really weird is that this source doesn't claim that he is Albanian ], also 19th century stuff seems to be clear about Vagias' ethnicity ]].Alexikoua (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Yannis Makriyannis is Also 19 century source. Stupidus Maximus (talk) 20:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Please, take a look at both article&discussion, Woodhouse is 20th century.Alexikoua (talk) 20:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Alexikoua, Woodhouse only editor and wrote foreword. The citation of Vayas being greek is also from memories writen in 19 century. Why your 19 century memory is OK, and my book is not? Double standards? Stupidus Maximus (talk) 20:24, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

You have to read the article: this: "VAYIAS, Thanasis, 1765-1834, Epirot Greek, a confidant of Ali Pasha, wrongly thought by Makriyannis to be a betrayer of the Greek cause. Returned to Greece 1829 and given Government post by Capodistrias" its imposible to be written by Makrygiannis. Actually its Woodhouse description, as the reference says, in the last page of the book (p. 234).Alexikoua (talk) 20:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The source of this statement is... Makryianis? Stupidus Maximus (talk) 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

@Stupidus: How come you have so many of these 19th century sources? Do you have a whole library of them or something? Athenean (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Google books and Anemi and Internetarchive, and many other. Why do you ask? Stupidus Maximus (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Woodhouse says he was Greek. Why did you add Konitza but remove the word "Greek"? Athenean (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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