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USURP request on the english wiki

Hello Enric,

Someone on the English Misplaced Pages claiming to be you has asked if it is possible to usurp the "Enric" account on the English Misplaced Pages. I am afraid to say that this will likely not be possible - usups are generally only done when the uruped account made no or no significant edits during a relatively long time frame (A year or so). In this case the user made nearly a hundred edits, and has last been active in December 2009, with editing patterns suggesting that he my still be using this account infrequently.

Assuming you do not wish to rename your entire account on all Wiki's i would suggest registering a sidderent user (Such as enwiki.Enric or something alike) and add some information on ots user page regarding the connection between this account and the new account. Kind regards, Excirial (disc.) 15:08, 7 juny 2010 (CEST) (Excirial, En-Wiki)

Hi! I'm Enric, from Catalan wikipedia, where I'm contributing since 2004. I tried to create a new user page in English wikipedia with the name suggested by you, enwiki.Enric, but I'm not allowed to. What am I doing wrong? --195.53.5.10 (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The name i mentioned was just a random example instead of an actual suggestion. I see no blocks on account creation so i I presume that the enwiki. part creates a conflict somewhere. The easiest way to solve it is simply selecting a random other name and using that instead. However if this does not solve it - is there are specific error returned to you when you attempt to create an account? Excirial 13:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Done! No problem! Thanks for your help. --Enric.enwiki (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Good! :). I took the liberty of adding a small message box on your talk page to point users to your Catalan Misplaced Pages talk page. Most times user don't look at the user page which means they might miss your preferred area for communication. Excirial 14:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Take all liberties you wish ;-) Besides, your English is much better than mine...--Enric.enwiki (talk) 15:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion please?

related talk page

Could you take a quick look at User_talk:Taelus#Denialism if you have spare time? I would like a third opinion on whether my full protection of the page, and handling of the content dispute, was justified. Contacting you since I saw you active recently on RPP. Thanks in advance, --Taelus (Talk) 11:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I had a look at the entire situation (More specifically the article itself, the article talk page and your own talk page, including their histories) and i would say that the temporal full protection was correctly placed. I see 7 reverts over the course of two days, and around that time the talk page looked like this. All i see is a tug-o-war where two parties disagree who should post their own rationale first; I see absolutely nothing about the actual issue. Even now the talk page is sadly devoid of any clear reasoning between parties; At the very least i still cannot figure Verbal's reason for objecting.

However, i do agree with PBS that Verbal's revert of the article and reporting it as an edit war two minutes later screams bad faith. If you know you are in an edit war you stick to the talk page and leave the article alone, and you definitely don't revert it right before reporting. However, both PBS and Verbal are highly experienced users, and BOTH should know that being the "Top page" in a dispute is not a goal or even sensible. In a few days there should be a consensus on whether things should be changed or not, or lacking that a WP:3O or WP:RFC (Or any other mediation options) should be run. In short the "top page" would only last a few days anyway, because the other party will still disagree after the protection ends. I would therefor urge both editors to get a real discussion starting rather then the "You tell me, No! You tell me first!" discussion style i see so far. Explain your own stance first and only then ask other editors to do so. Passiveness on both sides will lead to nothing. :)

Besides this i would point out that an uninvolved sysop is free to block a page on procedural grounds if they are there. If i see a content dispute on, for example, Semi-empirical mass formula i will protect the page. There is no need to involve myself in the discussion as i am neither interested nor knowledgeable about the subject. Hence, if the formula in that article was to be disputed i would have really no clue whatsoever who might be right - but an edit war is an edit war and should be actioned as such. Excirial 11:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Happy editing, --Taelus (Talk) 19:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Greetings and...

Greetings Excirial - Any chance of blocking User talk:193.62.151.131? You left them a final warning back in March and as they ain't active at this precise moment I can't AIV. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

tha joker

why do you keep deleteing my page...he is a widly known rapper from Jackson I even included a damn discography...he's on itunes look him up...just because ur a nerd and don't know about real world shit doesn't give u the right to delete my page so go read a book and listen to some classical music and put my page back! Comment unsigned by Franklucasofasheville

In order to be on Misplaced Pages an article's subject has to be notable enough for inclusion (This means that the article must proof that the subject is important.) Doing so requires citing reliable sources which cover the subject in detail - in this case the rapper you are writing about. Do note that "Itunes, Myspace and the like" are not reliable sources. Example's of reliable sources are books, newspapers and news websites. In this case the Misplaced Pages:Burden#Burden_of_evidence burden of evidence lies with you.

Besides this i would point out that we have a civility policy around here. In short this means you don't go to someone's talk page posting lines such as ".just because ur a nerd and don't know about real world shit doesn't give u the right to delete my page so go read a book and listen to some classical music and put my page back!". That should actually be common sense but o well. Either way, the page will not be undeleted though you are free to recreate it IF you add some good sourcing to it. Repeated recreations and repeated incivility will just lead to a block though. Excirial 23:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Automated Issue

I noticed when you were tagging "Undoer" sockpuppets that you apparently tagged the main account as a sockpuppet of itself. I'm willing to bet that was semi-automated, so perhaps it could be modified to automatically recognize the sockpuppeteer instead and tag the rest as sockpuppets. mechamind90 03:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, this is related to a semi-automated script that i use for blocking. It supports "Suspected sockpuppet" and "Confirmed sockpuppet", but does not allow you to tag someone as a puppet master directly. Most times i end unblocking and tagging the puppet master manually, but in this case i blocked them all as sock puppets since i was still busy searching if there has been an undoer account without a number. I forgot to switch the template afterwards. But indeed, a "puppetmaster" option would be neat. Excirial 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Taakatism

Hi, I went to explain why the article should be kept, and contest the deletion with a holdon tag, only to find someone had deleted it before I managed to edit! Can you please allow a deletion discussion at the very least? Thanks for reading and may you be well. Inner strength from love (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The article in question has actually been deleted four times so far - three times as a speedy, and another time trough a deletion discussion. The conclusion of the AFD is still valid for this article - there are no reliable sources that establish notability, and therefor it has been removed without discussion. Excirial 20:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Abby Sunderland

Thank you for protecting the Abby Sunderland article. However, I'd like to suggest you may want to extend protection beyond the three days. Communication with her was lost today and the nearest rescue ship is at least 40 hours away. One hopes they will find her soon, but if not the search-and-rescue attempt could drag on for many days. Editors have been inserting a death-date for her, which is a particularly sensitive edit. Thanks for your consideration of this suggestion. (SEC (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC))

Indeed, good call on that one. I have increased the protection to a week - that should cover the two days the boats will require, and allow another another 5 days of search and rescue operations. If she is found within these 5 days we will likely have a bunch of press coverage people will try to add (Thus possible BLP concerns). If she is not found within this time frame i fear the worst, since i presume that carrying 7 days of supplies is difficult. Excirial 20:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I hope that does it. I did just finish reading the book Adrift about Steven Callahan who was rescued after 76 days at sea in his life raft... (SEC (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC))

Brahma Kumaris, BK Simon B etc

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Regarding Brahma Kumaris, BK Simon B etc ...

"Because", as I have explained many times before (with Diffs) that there was no sockpuppetry. The allegations were all part of a strategy for the Brahma Kumari adherent {User3|Bksimonb}} to own any topics relating to his cultic religion.

Yes, it looks bad now but I assure you that if you look at the actual content, the Brahma Kumaris' MO, the history and the diffs ... instead of kneejerking off ... you will see I am right.

Now, again nicely, please butt out of something that you know nothing and is none of your business.

Thank you ... --Excretabial (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Blatant sockpuppet blocked as such, see the mininote on top for more context. Excirial 17:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

July Backlog Elimination Drive

Hi, I apologise if you've been already invited to help out with this, but please consider becoming a part of the July Backlog Elimination Drive. A target of clearing the whole two and a half year backlog has been set, and if you would like to help out, please notify me on my talk page and add your username to the page linked above. Of course, if you are currently busy with other things, that's fine. We just need all the help we can get and you were one other user that would probably take a minute to listen to me :) Thanks! Chevymontecarlo 17:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Award

If I want to give you a barnstar or award, do I do it here or at your Awards page? Dffgd (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)