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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on July 2

List of endemic birds of Sri Lanka

... that the discovery of the Serendib Scops Owl, an endemic bird in Sri Lanka in 2001 is the first such discovery since 1868?

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Jarvis

... that Frederick Jarvis is one of only eight Medal of Honor recipients from Utah and one of only three buried in the state?

Created by 71.184.34.96 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 09:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

SeaChoice

... that Canada's Federated Co-operatives partnered with SeaChoice to promote sustainable seafood, like the spiny lobster (pictured), through its co-operatives?

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 09:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Big Brother 11 (U.S.)

... that the Big Brother 11 house was equipped with fifty-two cameras and eighty-nine microphones to record the participants?

5x expanded by Alucard 16 (talk). Nominated by Alucard 16 (talk) at 06:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Not a new or expanded article. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

John James (Medal of Honor recipient)

... that John James was awarded the Medal of Honor for "gallantry in action" after defending the Lyman Train from Indian attacks for 3 days?

Created by 71.184.34.96 (talk). Nominated by Bejinhan Talk at 05:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Bejinhan assessed it as stub, that should be changed. Furthermore, a small paragraph outlining why the train was called "Lyman Train" would be great, possibly incorporating this source. Length and date check out alright. --Pgallert (talk) 09:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Done Bejinhan Talk 10:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Victor Adamson

... that, during the 1930s and 1940s, Z movie actor and director Victor Adamson appeared in 130 films, mostly in bit parts?

Created by Redfarmer (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Fred Ewing

... that the Oklahoma football team coached by Fred Ewing played one game that had a ten-minute half and was on a 75-yard field, the lines of which the players chalked themselves?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 04:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 04:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Buddhist architecture

... that the history of Japanese Buddhist architecture was changed by the belief in a coming dark age?

Created by Urashimataro (talk), Bamse (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

AGF verified. If you added an image, this could be a lead article candidate. Gatoclass (talk) 10:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Ride (Ciara song)

... that American R&B singer Ciara finally recruited Outkast member Andre 3000 to appear on her remix to the new single "Ride" after the chance for the rapper to appear on 2006's Ciara: The Evolution did not come to fruition?

5x expanded by User:Candyo32 (talk). Nominated by Candyo32 (talk) at 03:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Hook is a little long, I think it would still be workable if you dropped everything after the word "Ride". Gatoclass (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Stanley Wagner (vintner)

... that in 1979 Stanley Wagner opened his vineyard in the Finger Lakes area and by 1981 The New York Times said its wine had the characteristics of "some of the great white Burgundies of France"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

James Jackson (US Army officer)

... that Brigadier General James Jackson was awarded the Medal of Honor twenty years after his actions in the pursuit of Chief Joseph following the Battle of the Clearwater in 1877?

Created by 71.184.34.96 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 01:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. Bejinhan Talk 05:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Charles E. Fairman

... that Charles E. Fairman (pictured) was an American physician who had a personal herbarium of 23,000 fungi?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 00:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Checks out, offline taken in good faith. Very nice article, nice pic too. Chzz ► 02:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1

Whipping Tom

... that Whipping Tom spanked women's bottoms so quickly, he was believed to have supernatural powers?

ALT1:... that Whipping Tom caused the men of London to dress in women's clothing and walk the streets in search of him?

Created by Iridescent (talk). Nominated by Iridescent (talk) at 08:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

1971 Oklahoma Sooners football team

... that the 1971 Oklahoma Sooners football team set the all-time college football Division I record for rushing yards per game?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 07:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Patala

... that according to Hindu cosmology, women seduce and increase the sexual energy of men - who enter the first realm of the underworld - by intoxicating them?

Comment: former redirect

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 07:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

State v. Limon

... that in State v. Limon the Kansas Supreme Court struck down discriminatory provisions in the state's Romeo and Juliet law in the wake of Lawrence v. Texas ?

5x expanded by Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk). Nominated by Circeus (talk) at 02:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Not a 5x expansion. (769 vs. 2527) APK whisper in my ear 03:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Seems I miscalculated things... Circéus (talk) 04:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Eccles by-election, 1890

... that in the Eccles by-election of 1890, Henry John Roby of the Liberal Party (UK) gained the seat from the Conservatives, which was seen as setback for the Unionist government of Lord Salisbury?

Created by Lozleader (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 02:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 03:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Derby Racer (Revere Beach)

... that the racing roller coaster Derby Racer (pictured) killed or critically injured at least 5 people in its 25 years of operation, leading to a Massachusetts Supreme Court case?

Created by IronGargoyle (talk). Self nom at 23:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

- ouch. Dincher (talk) 00:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Franklin Mountains State Park

... that Franklin Mountains State Park (pictured) in El Paso, Texas is the site of the only tin mine ever operated in the United States?

5x expanded by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 23:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 23:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

17th Legislative District (New Jersey)

... that the election Upendra J. Chivukula to the New Jersey General Assembly from 17th Legislative District made him the first South Asian elected to the New Jersey Legislature?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Dos (Myriam Hernández album)

... that the success of the album Dos by Myriam Hernández help her to sign a recording contract with Warner Music?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 21:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified, but the hook is cited with this link. I don't see any mention of Myriam Hernández or Dos. APK whisper in my ear 03:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I do not know how to fix the link, because the information is there in the biography section for Myriam Hernández. Both links just redirect to allmusic, but not the artist or her discography. Any sugestion? Jaespinoza (talk) 06:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Chaim Sofer

... that Chaim Sofer ruled that under Jewish law, abortions were not allowed for partially born babies.?

Created by Brewcrewer (talk). Nominated by Brewcrewer (talk) at 19:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

- ready to go. Dincher (talk) 00:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Cote Baptist Church

... that all the internal fittings of Cote Baptist Church in Oxfordshire (pictured) date from 1869?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Corey Allen

... that during filming of the knife fight scene in Rebel Without A Cause between Corey Allen and James Dean, both practitioners of method acting, Dean was cut when Allen lunged at him with a real knife?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tiger penis

... that one method of preparing a tiger penis for consumption is to place it dried, with testicles still attached, into a bottle of French cognac, whiskey or Chinese wine and let it soak for many weeks?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 16:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Jezreel (city)

... that Jezebel was defenestrated (pictured) in Jezreel?

created by Broad Wall (talk). Nominated by Broad Wall (talk) at 12:52, 1 July 2010 EST

offline sources AGF. Thelmadatter (talk) 00:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Noel Fitzpatrick

... that Irish neuro-orthopaedic veterinary surgeon Noel Fitzpatrick drew upon influences from the X Men character of Wolverine to pioneer bionic development in animals?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Operation Houndworth

...in 1944 the Lyon to Paris rail line was blown up 22 times by the Special Air Service during Operation Houndsworth?

Self nom by and x5 expansion by--Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. Bejinhan Talk 05:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

EstWin

... that Estonia created project EstWin to connect all citizens to the internet with 100 mbit/s speed by 2015?

Created by Sander Säde (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

SS Charlotte Cords

... that the cargo ship Nikolai Bauman was scuttled in 1964 with a cargo of nuclear waste?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 08:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Alice in Wonderland (2000 video game)

... that Alice in Wonderland, a Game Boy Color video game, begins with the player as Alice following the White Rabbit down its hole?

Created by Nomader (talk). Self nom at 05:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 05:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Pseudoplectania

... that hairy black cups (pictured) are the type species of fungal genus Pseudoplectania?

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 04:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 05:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Allyn Ferguson

... that composer Allyn Ferguson, co-creator of themes for Barney Miller and Charlie's Angels, was cited by Variety as being "among the most prolific composers of TV-movie scores in the past 40 years"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Hook ref is not cited. Date and length verified. APK whisper in my ear 05:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ref has been added to the article's lead paragraph. Alansohn (talk) 14:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Good to go. APK whisper in my ear 16:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 30

Sussex Heights

... that Sussex Heights (pictured), Brighton's tallest building, has a resident breeding pair of peregrine falcons with their own webcam?

Comment: Expansion began at this diff, and should just squeak in at 5x. Better hook wording suggestions welcome.

5x expanded by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Brenda Taylor (athlete)

... that Harvard medical graduate Brenda Taylor reached the 2004 Olympic final in the 400-meter hurdles?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons

... that after 104 years of existence, Hull City was promoted to play in the English Premier League for the first time in their history in 2008 (celebrations pictured)?

5x expanded by Mattythewhite (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I added (celebrations pictured) to go with the pic. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

New Article:

Leviathan melvillei

... that the extinct whale Leviathan melvillei is named after Herman Melville, the author of Moby-Dick?

Created by Stronach (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 00:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, this is now in ITN so I guess it's no longer valid here? Stronach (talk) 07:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

St. Luke's Episcopal Church (Katonah, New York)

... that the congregation of St. Luke's Episcopal Church (pictured) in Katonah, New York, met in a warehouse and movie theater before the church was built?

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 06:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 04:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand Musk Duck

... that the extinct New Zealand Musk Duck was becoming more sedentary than its closest relative, the Australian Musk Duck?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 03:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 13:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-27 (1936)

... that the German submarine U-27 was the second German submarine to be sunk in World War II?

5x expanded by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 00:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 05:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Rudolf Leopold

... that, after attempts were made to seize two works by Egon Schiele that he had bought, Rudolf Leopold insisted that he had not dealt in looted art, saying "I'm not a Nazi and I'm not a Nazi profiteer"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-1163

... that the German submarine U-1163 was only one of a handful of German U-boats who helped to shoot down a de Havilland Mosquito?

Created by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 22:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

First, the article seems old and ineligible for DYK. Second, though apparently moot for the DYK hook, the source doesn't say that this sub shot down the Mosquito. It seems she was being moved on the surface with another sub to another location, with other ships escorting them. When the Mosquito attacked, presumably everyone was shooting at it, and there is no source telling us that this particular sub was credited for the kill. Crum375 (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not old at all. It became an article today. It does'nt matter how old the sandbox was. People do that all of the time. Further, I've fixed up the hook to make since.--White Shadows 01:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding eligibility, DYK only covers new articles. This one is from March, which is ancient in DYK terms. Here is the WP:DYKcheck report for it:

Prose size (text only): 2814 characters (482 words) "readable prose size"
Article created by White Shadows on March 20, 2010 as a redirect
Article became a non-redirect on March 28, 2010 by White Shadows
Article moved from User:White Shadows/Sandbox on June 30, 2010
Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 24 edits ago on March 28, 2010

Regarding the shootdown incident, I don't see where the source says that particular sub "helped" the shooting in any way. It was being moved, so likely it had partial crew, who relied on the escorts for protection. But speculation aside, we'd need a source telling us the sub actually helped the shootdown, in order to state it in the article. Crum375 (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Look the article was a sondbox for a few months. This does not "disqualify" it at all. I've had several DYK's like this one. As for the sourceing, I'll get to that tomorrow...--White Shadows 03:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Look at the article history. The article existed in March. One month ago. This is the edit just prior to your move . The article today is almost exactly the same as it was a month ago .--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the date, the article was moved into mainspace on the 30th. That is when the clock starts for DYK, so White Shadows had 5 days from then to nominate it, which he's done (see WP:DYK#Selection criteria, third bullet point under "new"). The length checks out, I haven't checked the hook yet. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

HJM, I believe you are wrong. The rule you refer to is (bold added) "Articles that have been worked on exclusively in a user or user talk subpage and then moved..." IOW, you may not take an existing article and move it into your user space to reset the clock and make it "new", unless you are expanding it, in which case normal 5x expansion rules apply. In this case the article already existed in article space in March 2010, so it is ineligible for a "new" (non-expanded) DYK under the present rules. Crum375 (talk) 12:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

That diff was from my sandbox. The clock starts ticking when it is moved out and into the mainspace, which I did yesterday. The length is also good and despite what you say, so it the hook. Can I request another reviewer to come along and take a look at this please?--White Shadows 16:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

← Here's a more detailed explanation of the file's history. User:White Shadows/Sandbox was previously used to develop an article about a different submarine, the U-771. That page was moved into article space in March, leaving behind a redirect to that article in the sandbox. The same sandbox was then used to write this article, which was moved into article space yesterday. The article was worked on exclusively in the user's sandbox prior to being moved. The date is fine. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 16:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is a prior version of this article from March 2010, in article space, which seems similar to the current version in size and content. How does subsequent work on it in user space make it "new"? Crum375 (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

When a page is moved, the page history comes with it. That history is from the userspace version. ErinM (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. You'll also notice that the page was moved to mainspace, as opposed to cut and pasted, which means that the page can't have existed prior because WS isn't an admin and only admins can move existing ages over each other. The only way it could have existed in mainspace before the move would require a deletion and history undelete, of which there is no evidence in the log. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

This is the edit where the original redirect was removed. So if the subsequent edit was in the user's sandbox, what happened to the user space version of the article at that time? Did it remain an empty page for months? I don't see any record of its being moved. Crum375 (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes it did. It's called a sandbox for a reason....--White Shadows 19:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

And Crum, what it this all about? Are you testing to see if I'm telling the truth or something? I'm not an admin so I cannot delete or move anything without leaveing a redirect. That's why it was empty for two months.--White Shadows 19:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious from the diff that a page in WS' userspace was moved to mainspace (this was the article on a different submarine, which only serves to complicate things) but as I explained above, the article didn't exist in mainspace until yesterday, when WS moved it from his userspace to mainspace and, as I explained above, it's impossible that a page existed at that title before the move. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

HJM, I specifically looked for a move in his user log, and didn't find any, so clearly he didn't move it there. And in fact, he says he believes that the page had been left empty in article space, after the redirect was removed. (I wonder why a bot doesn't flag empty article-space pages like that.) I guess this would explain why WP:DYKcheck rejects it. White Shadows, I'll AGF that you did start a "new" article (since an empty page or redirect doesn't count in my view too) in user space at that time. In that case, let's focus on the hook again. It seems that sub was being taken somewhere for repositioning or service at the time, along with another sub, with an escort of other ships. Do you have a source telling us that the sub "participated" or "helped" in the shootdown, e.g. by firing a single round at the Mosquito? Crum375 (talk) 19:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

No you are putting words into my mouth. I said that it was left as a blank sandbox (little thing that 90% of content writers have, not a real article)and it was moved. I did it for crying out loud!--White Shadows 19:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, sorry for being dense then. So this edit, removing the redirect, was inside your user space? Crum375 (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. And to answer your question, yes it was. As for the hook, how about ...that U-1163 was attacked by two de Havilland Mosquitos and managed to survive undamaged?--White Shadows 20:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, that explains it, then. It seems to me that to prevent confusion next time (not just mine but also DYKcheck's), it would be better to just copy-paste the content from the sandbox to mainspace. And regarding the new hook, yes, that's well sourced, but very un-hookish, as you are not even telling them it was on the surface at the time. Can you come up with something hookier, maybe unrelated to the Mosquito? Crum375 (talk) 20:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

And maybe without the red link in it! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm kinda against copy-and-pasteing the article into the mainspace as that would mean that alot of my edits would be in my userspace....But as for the hook...that the last patrol that U-1163 took part in began on 15 April 1945, just 15 days before Adolf Hitler commited suicide?--White Shadows 00:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Mentioning Hitler and/or his suicide in relation to this sub would require a reliable source which makes that specific connection, or else it would violate WP:SYN. It seems to me this sub was not very notable, and its only claim to fame is that it sunk one ship. Perhaps there is something of note with that ship? Crum375 (talk) 01:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

How is that OR? I once had a sub DYK with a hook that said that it was commissioned the day of the Normady landings. Is that OR? I doubt that counting to 15 should fall under WP:SYN.--White Shadows 02:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Making a point by combining information from separate sources requires a reliable source making that combined point in relation to the article topic, or else it would violate WP:SYN and WP:NOR. Crum375 (talk) 03:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, I started looking for information about the sunk ship, the only claim to fame of this sub. I found the article makes a total mess of it at the moment, which needs to be fixed. The article says the kill was a submarine, while in fact it was a steam merchant ship, disabled and dead in the water due to engine trouble. And the article says the "sub's" name was KB-35, while according to the source KB-35 was the name of the convoy, which had no subs in it, and which split up after the ship became disabled, leaving only one mine sweeper to watch over her. The steam ship's actual name was Revoljucija (Revolution), as you can see here. Unfortunately, I haven't found any good hook yet. Crum375 (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Ælfwaru

... that Liber Eliensis records that Ælfwaru granted to Ely Abbey the lands of Bridgham, Hingham, Weeting, Rattlesden, Mundford, Thetford, and fisheries around those marshes?

Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Article is too short at present at 1043 characters of prose, when the minimum is 1500. Can you expand it some more? Bencherlite 19:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

on the case --Senra (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

not sure how you measure length. I have added prose, with relevant references of course. If that is not ok, I wish to withdraw this to work on it some more. --Senra (talk) 19:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

worked it out - Dr pda says my page size is 1605 now --Senra (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I love Old English names. Maybe you could add a sentence or two on her name: the OE elements it is composed of, and what they mean. That'll add a couple more characters into the body of the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Struggling on etymology of Ælfwaru. Best I can do is affix Ælf = elf- strong masculineOED and suffix = -ware lit. people of the god.OED I am not an OE scholar so this may be rubbish. Not prepared to put this in until it is checked. I am on the case, though I might have diffuclty here. Still trying. --Senra (talk) 09:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Still struggling. In Old English originally a strong feminine (-stem) -waru (plural -wara) meaning Forming the names of inhabitants of places.OED. Thus poss. Elven-inhabitant? --Senra (talk) 10:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Etymology section added thanks to Reference desk:Etymology of Ælfwaru so

Done? --Senra (talk) 12:21, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Not to be a wet blanket, but I find the etymology section inappropriate. This article is about a specific woman named Ælfwaru; the information in the article should be about her. If we had an article Ælfwaru (name), that would be the place for etymology. Is there nothing more that can be said about the good lady herself? +An gr 13:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Etymology removed. There are other people called Ælfwaru, as the name, and its variants, were a popular Anglo-Saxon female name. The one we are discussing is definitely the one whose cryograph was mentioned in Liber Elientsis. The fisheries mentioned there link our Ælfwaru with the Ælfwaru mentioned in Liber Benefactorum, and thus give us her fathers name. Her father bequeathed a fishery in his cryograph. I checked sources carefully. I am convinced the two Ælfwaru's can be linked. If we cannot link them, we have even less to write. Not sure I want to go into conjecture, so I think the article says as much as we can about her. I went round wikilinking other places in wikipedia where Ælfwaru is mentioned. There is not a lot to be frank. Do you want me to withdraw the article for DYK? Not a problem if you do. (It would be a problem if you wanted me to delete the article after all this work though :) ) --Senra (talk) 13:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

(as a pure aside) geese and chase spring to mind re etymology but no worries as I learned some things *smiles sweetly* --Senra (talk) 13:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Had a crack and trying to get a concensus. Put derivation of her name back in but as a legacy; not as a pure etymolgy section in its own right.

Done --Senra (talk) 13:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Is the article still too short? It currently reports as: Prose size (text only): 1786 B (276 words) "readable prose size" --Senra (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Article is Prose size (text only): 1887 B (294 words) "readable prose size" --Senra (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Alt-hook - "...the name of the village of Alverstoke, in Hampshire, England, derives from the name Ælfwaru plus OE stoc" --Senra (talk) 07:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The problem with this hook - indeed, the problem with even mentioning this fact in the article - is that it's unrelated to the good lady in question. Bencherlite 08:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Clemens von Delbrück

... that Clemens von Delbrück recieved the Order of the Black Eagle on his dismissal as Vice-Chancellor of Germany?

Created/expanded by Claritas (talk). Nominated by Claritas (talk) at 19:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. AGF for the book citation.--White Shadows 22:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Brothers TV

... that Canadian TV series Brothers TV was described as "lowbrow comedic stuff that is ever-so-watchable" but only ran for eight episodes?

Created by Joshrimer (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 18:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

William O'Neill (Medal of Honor recipient)

... that William O'Neill was awarded the Medal of Honor for his part in a charge at Fort Sill in 1872 which ended 17 years of combat?

Created by 72.74.211.107 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 17:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

William L. Taylor

... that officials at Brooklyn College implored federal officials not to hire William L. Taylor for a government job, saying he had "espoused liberal causes such as the rights of the Negro in the South"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths, hook ref verified. Please try to get more sources; a single-source article looks ugly and incomplete. Crum375 (talk) 01:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Massacre of the Albanian beys

... that in the Massacre of the Albanian beys around 500 southern Albanian leaders (beys) and their forces were treacherously killed by Ottoman forces when they were invited to a ceremonial salute parade?

Created by Aigest (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 14:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 13:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Bam Aquino

... that Bam Aquino became the youngest person in Philippine history to head a government agency when he was appointed at age 26 to become Chairman of the National Youth Commission?

Created by Joaquin008 (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Intercessors of the Lamb

...that members of the Roman Catholic lay ecclesial movement Intercessors of the Lamb wear teal habits because the color represents intercession between a green earth and a blue heaven?

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 06:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref verified.-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Diego's Hair Salon

... that the clientele of Diego's Hair Salon (pictured) has included politicians, diplomats, and two U.S. Supreme Court Justices?

Created by AgnosticPreachersKid (talk). Nominated by AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) at 06:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook, and source verified. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Battle of San Pasqual

... that who won the Battle of San Pasqual is still disputed to this day after 164 years?

Created by OldakQuill (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at , 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Article has not been expanded 5x within the last five days.-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Vertical Submarine

... that art collective Vertical Submarine, winners of President’s Young Talents award 2009, placed gray sunflowers in the Botanic Gardens with a poem by the fictional Chien Swee-Teng?

Created by Tja ariani (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 02:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 03:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Benjamin Sonnenberg

... that press agent Benjamin Sonnenberg described himself as a "cabinetmaker who fashioned large pedestals for small statues"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Ref accepted AGF.-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 29

Nuclear accidents by country

... that as of 2009, there has been 99 nuclear accidents worldwide?

ALT1:...that the total worth of the property damage caused by nuclear accidents worldwide is about US$20.5 billion?

Created by Johnfos (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 19:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Russian battleship Evstafi

... that the British wrecked the engines of the Russian battleship Evstafi during 22–24 April 1919 when they left the Crimea to prevent the advancing Bolsheviks from using her against the White Russians?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 18:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

British Insurance

... that British Insurance insured three sisters to cover the costs of child-raising in case one of them gave birth to the Second Coming of Christ?

Created by Nelmooy (talk), Cassandra 73 (talk). Nominated by Cassandra 73 (talk) at 17:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

John O'Callaghan (Medal of Honor recipient), Michael O'Regan (Medal of Honor recipient)

... that Sergeant John O'Callaghan and Private Michael O'Regan were among thirty men in the same regiment to be awarded the Medal of Honor, one of the largest presentations ever made at the time?

Created by 72.74.211.107 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 22:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

John Francis O'Sullivan

... that John Francis O'Sullivan was awarded the Medal of Honor for his gallantry at the Staked Plains in 1874?

Created by 72.74.211.107 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 22:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook, and source verified. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

History of the hamburger

... that the beginning of the hamburger is believed to have began with the Mongols introducing the steak tartare (pictured) during the invasion of Moscow?

Created by TFCforever (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 19:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

This article has already been nominated and is currently in Queue 6. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Rock for the Rainforest

... that Rock for the Rainforest holds the Guiness World Record for the largest environmental fundraising event?

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 15:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

One Madison Park

... that the $45 million penthouse at One Madison Park comes with a free butler?

Created by User:AMuseo and User:Beyond My Ken (talk and talk]). Self nom at 15:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

1984 Oklahoma Sooners football team

... that the 1984 Oklahoma Sooners football team set the Oklahoma Sooners football single season record by only allowing 2.2 yards per rush attempt?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 07:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

1987 Oklahoma Sooners football team

... that All-American Rickey Dixon set several school interception records for the 1987 Oklahoma Sooners football team?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 07:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Copano, Texas

... that the remains of the ghost town of Copano, Texas are threatened to fall into Copano Bay?

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 07:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The sentence that supports the hook need a citation right after it Thelmadatter (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Done.--William S. Saturn (talk) 03:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

1973 Oklahoma Sooners football team, 1976 Oklahoma Sooners football team, 1977 Oklahoma Sooners football team, 1978 Oklahoma Sooners football team, 1979 Oklahoma Sooners football team, 1980 Oklahoma Sooners football team

... that Oklahoma Sooners football head coach Barry Switzer won eight consecutive Big Eight Conference college football championships in his first eight years with the 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, and 1980 teams?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 05:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Rodolfo Torre Cantú

... that Rodolfo Torre Cantú was a candidate for the governorship of Tamaulipas and was assassinated? Created by Lantzy (talk) Nominated by moreno oso (talk) 03:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ...that Rodolfo Torre Cantú was murdered near Ciudad Victoria which is approximately three hours south of Brownsville, Texas?

ALT2 ...that Felipe Calderon promised a full investigation into the murder of Rodolfo Torre Cantú who is the is the highest-profile case since Luis Donaldo Colosio?

Ineligible- it's on ITN. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Gibson Knowlton

~~... that Daniel Gibson Knowlton flew with aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh at the age of four, making him the youngest to take flight in an airplane at the time?~~

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The only ref I could find said that he was the youngest to fly with Lindbergh at the time, not the youngest to fly in any airplane (which would have been an exceptional claim, since airliners started flying passengers since 1909, while this was in 1927 or so). Also, the refs at the end of the article look really odd, with all the repetition. Please read WP:CITE and/or review some recent featured articles for examples of how to do it correctly. Crum375 (talk) 03:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Upon re-checking the reference, you're absolutely right. Withdrawn. KimChee (talk) 04:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Susan Ershler

... ~~that on May 16, 2002, Susan Ershler, with her husband, entered into history as the first married couple to ever reach the summit of Mount Everest.~~

Created by Reliablecyber (talk). Nominated by My76Strat (talk) at 23:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a better source for this? There are only two refs at the moment: one by the subject, which is not acceptable for this claim, and the other only says they were the first couple to climb the Seven Summits, not Everest alone. Crum375 (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
ALT ~~...that on May 16, 2002, Susan Ershler, with her husband Phil, entered into history as the first married couple to ever reach the summit of each of the Seven Summits?~~ --SPhilbrick T 20:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Please consider the alternate hook as it is correct to the accomplishment cited in the article. The error in citing Mount Everest in place of the Seven Summits was my error in interpretation. The article never stated it that way until I edited it in as an incorrect fact. I have corrected the article as well to reflect the accomplishment as supported by the references. I am glad this was noticed and apologize for having made a mistake. My76Strat (talk) 22:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Your hook is a bit wordy, how about this:

...that on May 16, 2002, Susan Ershler, with her husband Phil, became the first married couple to reach all Seven Summits?

Crum375 (talk) 02:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The above hook also seems appropriate, if fewer words are preferred. Otherwise securing a place in history is part of the significance. While there may one day be another, there will never again be a first. My76Strat (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 11:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment "reach" sounds odd. I suggest "climb" is better. Chzz ► 00:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Frederick S. Neilon

... that Frederick S. Neilon received the Medal of Honor but was forced to retire from the military due to a leg injury, and was discharged on a certificate of disability in 1875?

Created by 72.74.218.214 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 23:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Solon D. Neal

... that the residence of Medal of Honor recipient Solon D. Neal later became the site of the HemisFair '68 Tower?

Created by 72.74.218.214 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 23:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref verified.-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

TTG Studios

... that the "TTG" of Hollywood recording studio TTG Studios stood for "two terrible guys"?

Created by Brewcrewer (talk). Nominated by Brewcrewer (talk) at 22:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref verified. Article is a stub.-- φ OnePt618 φ 05:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Friendship Games

... that the Friendship Games were dubbed to be "Eastern Bloc's alternative Olympics" of 1984 by the Western press?

5x expanded by ArCgon (talk). Self nom at 21:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Note: I am not 100% sure, but I believe it's a fivefold expansion - if you don't count the venues list in the previous version of the article (as I read in the additional rules, rule G2, that you should count the "prose-only portion" of the previous version, and exclude any lists). If I am mistaken, then, well, bad luck :) - ArCgon (talk) 21:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 04:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Saint Mary's Catholic Church (Rome, Georgia)

... that Saint Mary's Catholic Church in Rome, Georgia, was designed by a Benedictine Monk and architect from Belmont Abbey?

Created by Shelby257 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 20:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 04:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Anya Shrubsole

... that Somerset's Anya Shrubsole was conferred the Most Promising Young Women's Cricketer Award by The Cricket Society in 2008?

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref verified.-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Ben Sonnenberg

... that Grand Street was a magazine created by Ben Sonnenberg, who said "I thought a magazine would be a good way to give money to individuals whose writing I liked"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Walpole Old Chapel

... that Walpole Old Chapel (pictured) in Suffolk, now redundant, was originally a farmhouse?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Image OK too. I spot another good project underway! Bencherlite 23:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

(Could be!) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

La Peregrina pearl

... that the La Peregrina pearl (pictured), which has been worn by the queens and queens consort of England and Spain for a few hundred years, was once almost eaten by a puppy in a Las Vegas casino?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

List of international cricketers from Barbados

... that Malcolm Marshall has taken more Test and ODI wickets for the West Indies cricket team than any other Barbados born player?

Created by Mr.Apples2010 (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Douglas Brand

... that Douglas Brand, chief police adviser to the Iraqi Interior Ministry in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion, was nicknamed "The Tower of London" due to his distinctive height?

Created by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nom at 13:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. (Wow, someone taller than me!) APK whisper in my ear 17:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Þórketill Þórmóðsson

... that according to a 13th century saga, Þórketill Þórmóðsson, and two of his sons, were slain in a loch near the Isle of Skye, but another son survived by leaping onto a cask that floated by?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 09:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

i.e., a third son? unclear here and in the article.--Wetman (talk) 22:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Right, three sons: two were killed, one survived. How about if I change "one" to "another"?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
  - Just noting here I fixed the lead in the article. It was totally unclear!--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tarapith

...that Hindu sadhus live in the cremation grounds of Tarapith as they believe that goddess Tara (pictured) - who is attracted to bones - dwells there?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 05:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Formatting of links and image change. --Redtigerxyz 05:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Les Witte

... that Les Witte was the first men's college basketball player to score 1,000 career points?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that Les Witte was the first men's college basketball player to score 1,000 career points, a feat he accomplished between 1932 and 1934? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
No inline reference for the hook ref. Crum375 (talk) 12:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Johan Fransson

... that ice hockey defenceman Johan Fransson won a Swedish Championship in bandy?

5x expanded by Krm500 (talk). Self nom at 02:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that ice hockey defenceman Johan Fransson signed contracts with teams in three different leagues for the 2010–11 season?

The Pyramids (Indianapolis)

... that the Pyramids of Indianapolis (pictured) were designed by Pritzker Prize-winning architect Kevin Roche?

5x expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 02:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion, date, and hook ref verified. (I removed a stub template.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Dull hook. Every building is designed by someone. Is there something unusual or interesting about how he got the commission, perhaps? Daniel Case (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, I read the article. How about this instead?

... that it is unlikely that most of the Pyramids of Indianapolis (pictured) will ever be built? Daniel Case (talk) 06:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 28

Illegals Program

... that some of the suspects in an alleged network of Russian spies planted in the United States were paired as couples and had children together to help maintain their covert status?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Nominated by AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) at 08:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

- ready Dincher (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Wright's Almshouses, Nantwich, Crewe Almshouses, Nantwich

... that the Wright's Almshouses (pictured) in Nantwich, Cheshire, which date from 1638, were moved in the 1970s to stand by the Crewe Almshouses?

Comment: Double nomination

Created by Espresso Addict (talk). Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk) at 00:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Nui Coc Lake

... that Nui Coc Lake (pictured) contains 89 islands?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Added an Img-- N.V.V. Char . 22:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ready! Dincher (talk) 00:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Selva Zoque

... that Selva Zoque is the largest intact tropical rainforest in Mexico, an important but threatened ecological area?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Codex Glazier

... that Codex Glazier (pictured), Coptic manuscript of Book of Acts, is very close textually to the Greek manuscript Codex Bezae?

Comment: Another possible hook:
ALT1 ... that Codex Glazier (pictured), Coptic manuscript of Book of Acts, contains miniature with crux ansata?

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-109 (1940)

... that all but one of U-109's successes took place during the six patrols she carried out under the command of the U-boat ace, Heinrich Bleichrodt?

5x expanded by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 19:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Reichenbach Castle

... that Reichenbach Castle (pictured) was once owned by Rudolf von Erlach, the legendary commander of the victorious Bernese in the Battle of Laupen?

Created by Mbz1 (talk), Tobyc75 (talk),GiacomoReturned (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I've shifted Rudolf von Erlach's name to th eusual place at the head of the three phrases in apposition.--Wetman (talk) 00:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Holy Soap

... that the Holy Soap website is the official UK home of the Australian soap operas Home and Away and Neighbours?

ALT1:...that Holy Soap allows viewers in the United Kingdom to watch episodes of Australian soap operas such as Neighbours online?

Created by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 12:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Empress pepper pot

... that someone owned the "Empress" pepper pot (pictured) in the 4th century and we know the Romans had pepper because the Vindolanda tablets confirm it?

Created by The Land (talk), Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 12:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Bill Hudson (photographer), Carry Me Home: Birmingham, Alabama, the Climactic Battle of the Civil Rights Revolution

... that Diane McWhorter wrote in Carry Me Home that a 1963 Bill Hudson photo of a black protester being attacked by a police dog drove "international opinion to the side of the civil rights revolution"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Big White Fog

... that dramatist Theodore Ward, writer of Big White Fog (playbill pictured), had his first attempt at writing a play thrown into a fire at age seven by his father?

5x expanded by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook, and source verified. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ormside bowl

...that the Ormside bowl (pictured) is one of the finest pieces of Anglian silverwork ever found in England?

Comment: This article was written as part of the WP:GLAM/BM initiative. It would be really good if it could go up on August 1 as this is when it goes back on show in the Yorkshire Museum.

Created by JMiall (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

verified though you may want to fix up that bare URL.--White Shadows 20:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Miguel Cotto vs. Yuri Foreman

... that the Miguel Cotto vs. Yuri Foreman boxing match was the first fight held at the Yankee Stadium since the September 1976 bout between Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton?

Created by Joaquin008 (talk). Nominated by Joaquin008 (talk) at 19:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Portland City Grill

... that in 2004, Portland City Grill became Oregon's first restaurant to make Restaurants & Institutions magazine's list of the "top 100 highest-grossing independent restaurants" in the United States?

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 19:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Dwight Armstrong

... that, asked for his thoughts two decades after the 1970 Sterling Hall bombing (pictured) that killed a physics researcher, Dwight Armstrong said "I don't care what public opinion is; we did what was right"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Marlon Stockinger

... that Marlon Stockinger is the first Filipino to have won a formula race in Europe?

Created by Joaquin008 (talk). Nominated by Joaquin008 (talk) at 15:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

South Carolina Highway 291

... that despite being only 9.3 mi (15.0 km) long, South Carolina Highway 291 runs by two colleges and an airport in Greenville?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Nominated by Miller17CU94 (talk) at 15:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Random comment, but I'm not sure this merits a DYK. I've known shorter freeways that do the same. Now if it ran past two airports,... =)-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Lambert

... that English gaol keeper and animal breeder Daniel Lambert (pictured) weighed 52 stone 11 lb (739 lb; 335 kg)?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Nominated by Iridescent (talk) at 14:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook refs accepted in good faith. ("Get in my belly!") APK whisper in my ear 15:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If anyone wants confirmation, his gravestone thoughtfully includes all his measurements at the time of death. – iridescent 16:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I love the exclamation mark! .Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Three Pigeons

Hudson Country Map 1776

... that John Champe, American Revolutionary rebel double-agent sent to capture Benedict Arnold, was spotted and chased from the landmark the Three Pigeons by fellow rebels, before diving into the Hudson?

Created by Theornamentalist (Talk) Self nom at Theornamentalist (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Strong-billed Honeyeater

... that the Strong-billed Honeyeater actually eats more insects than honey?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 14:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 15:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Captain America: The First Avenger

... that the Marvel Studios film, Captain America: The First Avenger set for release in 2011 has been in development since 1997?

Created by TriiipleThreat (talk), Jhenderson777 (talk). Self nom at 14:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Philip B. Hofmann

... that the first non-family member to become CEO of healthcare giant Johnson & Johnson was Philip B. Hofmann?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. - Theornamentalist (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Travis

... that Richard Travis received a posthumous Victoria Cross for his actions around Rossignol Wood on 24 July 1918?

5x expanded by AustralianRupert (talk). Nominated by AustralianRupert (talk) at 11:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Leonard Allison

... that seven years after California football coach Stub Allison's "nasty, opportunistic defense" helped win a national championship, he was fired for "shackl good material with a dull offense"?

5x expanded by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 10:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Bonded by Blood (band)

... that Bonded by Blood recorded a thrash metal version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song?

Created by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Claude Simons, Jr.

... that Claude Simons, Jr.—son of a Tulane University basketball, baseball, track, boxing coach and football trainer—followed in his father's footsteps as the school's basketball and football coach?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 05:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

This is probably a better hook:

"... that Claude Simons, Jr., son of a Tulane University basketball and baseball coach, followed in his father's footsteps by holding those same positions?" Strikehold (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Under röd flagg

... that Hinke Bergegren's Under röd flagg (cover pictured) was the first periodical to introduce detailed accounts of anarchist thought in Sweden?

Created/expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

What is the website the article is sourced to? Gatoclass (talk) 11:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The main reference is an article published by the Labour Movement Archives and Library (http://www.arbark.se/en/basics/ ). --Soman (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Cupcake Wars

... that vegan cupcakes can beat out traditional cupcakes in the new competitive reality show Cupcake Wars?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't the meet length requirement and the hook isn't mentioned in the article. APK whisper in my ear 04:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Done Lengthened article, included hook with more references. – Tommy 04:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Everything checks out now. (I removed the second link to cupcake, unlinked competition, and italicized the show title in the hook.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard B. Sellars

... that Johnson & Johnson CEO Richard B. Sellars kept the firm in New Brunswick, New Jersey as "the survival of our country depends on the survival of its cities, so we'd all better get involved in cleaning them up"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Chris Scelfo

... that Tulane football coach Chris Scelfo called Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron "lower than dirt" for allegedly trying to convince players to transfer after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 00:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the above hook has adequate reliable sourcing, but if it's too controversial for two living people, here is an alternative:

"... that head coach Chris Scelfo's Tulane football team was forced to play all eleven of its games in different cities during the 2005 season after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans?"

The second hook should be used. Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 04:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27

Water supply and sanitation in Abu Dhabi

... that Abu Dhabi generates more than half a million cubic metres of wastewater each day, and almost all is treated and re-used to irrigate green space in the city?

Created by Mschiffler (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 23:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

El Corte River

... that the El Corte River (in Spanish El Rio Corte) (meaning "The Cut River") got its name from the cutting of the giant pines from the forests around Santa María Chimalapa which were floated down the river to Coatzacoalcos to be used for masts and beams by the Spanish navy?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by AbbyKelleyite (talk) at 20:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

John Nihill

... that Medal of Honor recipient John Nihill won so many shooting medals, he was disbarred from competing for further US Army awards?

Created by 71.184.49.107 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 17:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Indriði Indriðason

... that Indriði Indriðason, an Icelandic medium, was once levitated at chest-height in front of a window and seemed in danger of being thrown through it?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Anatoly Malofeyev

... that Anatoly Malofeyev was a first secretary of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic during the Soviet Union era and Belarusian parliament speaker? 5x expanded and self-nom by moreno oso (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ...that Anatoly Malofeyev was a delegate to the 100th Conference of the Inter-Parliamentary Union and his comments that the conference failed to address human rights issues in Belarus afterwards generated controversy?

ALT2 ...that Anatoly Malofeyev and Vladimir Yermoshin met with Hu Jintao to facilitate relations?

Ernst von Dobschütz

... that textual critic Ernst von Dobschütz (pictured), after the death of Gregory expanded List of the New Testament manuscripts?

Comment: To make reviewing easier I cite here source of the hook: "By 1915 Gregory had raised the numbers further to p, 0169, 2326, and l 1565. From 1923 to 1933 his successor Ernst von Dobschütz further expanded the numbers to p, 0208, 2401 (but with some extensive lacunae), and l 1609." (Kurt Aland, and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, transl. Erroll F. Rhodes, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1995, p. 74 ) Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Clarium Capital

... that the hedge fund Clarium Capital, which had US$7.8 billion in assets under management in June 2008, saw it drop to $1.5 billion a year later because investors feared the fund worsening?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 17:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Length and date checks out, but the inline ref says nothing about the US dollar. Rather, it states that the investors withdrew their money, causing the fund to fall. If you rephrase the part after "due to", then this will be acceptable.-- φ OnePt618 φ 05:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay reworded. I can't really squeeze that much information in the hook, unfortunately. Gary King (talk · scripts) 17:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Pteridium aquilinum

~~... that common bracken specific name of aquilinum is thought to be derived from the likeness of the fibres of its stem in cross section to a double-headed eagle?~~

Comment: was a redirect for four years after original material was moved to genus page

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Rkitko (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 11:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

As a preliminary comment, "Pteridium aquilinum" effectively means "eagle's wing", and the leaves of the plant do strongly resemble that. Yet the article makes no mention of it, and instead, like the hook, is focused on "double headed", and "stem fibers", without the wing aspect. It seems to me that if the hook is focused on the the name derivation, the article and the hook should explain this issue more fully. Crum375 (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If you google "Towards a taxonomic revision of Pteridium (Dennstaedtiaceae)", the fulltext pdf ofthe article arises. The issue of the choice of specific name comes up. I admit I didn't add the other explanation and will insert it into the page tonight. It is an unusual derivation discussed there. We actually have a photo of a corss section of the stipe on commons, but it doesn't look like a double headed eagle, or anything much for that matter...Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, given that google also comes up with tons of reliable sources mentioning the obvious connection, the resemblance of the fronds to spread out eagle wings, and its binomial name meaning "eagle wing" (see here as example), I don't see why this most direct and straightforward derivation should be suppressed. Crum375 (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I wasn't consciously "suppressing" it and have added it to the article. Will see if I can squeeze both into one hook which might be tricky....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Alt

... that common bracken specific name of aquilinum is thought derived from its fronds' resemblance to an eagles' wing, or possibly the likeness of the fibres of its stem in cross section to a double-headed eagle?

How's that? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

For one thing, it's too long and tortured. For another, looking at the picture above, the resemblance of the frond to a spread-wing eagle is striking, and "pteridium aquilinum" literally means "eagle wing". So, to make it simple, how about this (with appropriate support in the article)?

... that common bracken's (pictured) scientific name of pteridium aquilinum is derived from its frond's resemblance to eagle wings?

Crum375 (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, okay. I have looked at the cross section and I can't see no double headed eagle by any stretch of the imagination. Go for it as the hook thus goes nicely with the nice botanical picture. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths and hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 02:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Alan Minsky

... that Richard Alan Minsky was a used car salesman who was charged over 80 times and convicted in five states for scamming women into giving him sex and money?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 05:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

~~Negative BLP issues.~~ --Soman (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if BLP issues apply here, since the person has been on 'America's Most Wanted' list and is convicted in court? Any other opinion? --Soman (talk) 19:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the hook could be changed to addressing the sentence (146 years) rather than the crimes itself, perhaps that would be less BLP-problematic? --Soman (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Richard Alan Minsky was a used car salesman who was featured on America's Most Wanted for being a scam artist and subsequently sentenced to 146 years in prison? KimChee (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Electric Company (Football)

... that the Electric Company helped O.J. Simpson set several current National Football League records.?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Chetco (tribe)

... that the Chetco (pictured) were once one of the largest Native American tribes on the southern coast of Oregon, but now only about 40 of their descendants remain?

Created by Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and hook ref verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Tocco family

... that the Italian Tocco family became the rulers of several Ionian Islands and formed the last dynasty of the Despotate of Epirus in Greece, before they were conquered by the Ottomans?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Volksfront (Alsace), Jean-Pierre Mourer, Charles Hueber, Alsatian Workers and Peasants Party, Bloody Sunday (1926), Die Neue Welt

... that the Bloody Sunday events of 1926 in Alsace were the starting point of cooperation between communists and clerical autonomists, which led to the expulsion of the Neue Welt group of Charles Hueber and Jean-Pierre Mourer from the French Communist Party and the formation of the Alsatian Opposition Communist Party?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

William Eldon Tucker, Bill Tucker (rugby player)

... that Dr. William Eldon Tucker and Dr. William Eldon Tucker both played rugby for England, Kent, the Barbarians, Blackheath and captained a Cambridge University Varsity team?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom David Underdown (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC) alt1... that Dr. William Eldon Tucker and Dr. William Eldon Tucker both played rugby for England, Kent, the Barbarians, Blackheath and captained Cambridge University R.U.F.C. teams in the Varsity match?

I don't think Varsity team is normal usage in this context, and it's probably better to clarify that we mean the rugby team, rather than the University itself. David Underdown (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

alt2 ... that during World War I Dr. William Eldon Tucker performed 150 amputations on troops within a month, while during World War II Dr. William Eldon Tucker made improvised artificial limbs for prisoners of war?

I was thinking of this today, the cites are all over the place, plus there are a few unavailable online. Maybe this new DYK suggestion (alt2) is easier to verify?

Stephen B. Shepard, Chris Welles

... that Stephen B. Shepard, a former editor of BusinessWeek and later dean of the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism called Chris Welles "probably the premier business writer" of his generation?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Monobia quadridens

... ~~that both male and female Monobia quadridens wasps can sting, but males have no venom to inject?~~

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

You have the hook going to bee sting, but according to the source, it's not really a sting at all, as in inserting a stinger, but more of a minor "prick" sensation. The way the hook is phrased, you'd think the male actually inserts a stinger, except he has no venom to inject through it. But according the source, the male only presses the sharp tip of his abdomen against the attacker, which causes a prickly sensation, like touching a sharp corner of an object, without penetration. So I think this hook is unsourced and misleading, as it stands. Crum375 (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

A fair point. I have struck the original hook out, and suggest the following alternative. The males can't actually sting, but they can (and apparently do) try. I would include the fact that males don't have a stinger, but it isn't mentioned in the article or the relevant cited source. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ~~... that male Monobia quadridens wasps will try to sting like a female, but have no venom to inject?~~

The thing is, unless I am misreading the source, the males don't even have a stinger, while by saying "no venom to inject" we are implying they have the stinger, but just don't have the fluid to inject through it. Note the wasp stinger photo here, and consider that all the males have is the tip of their abdomen, without the stinger sticking out of it. How about:

"... that male Monobia quadridens wasps will try to sting like a female, but have neither stinger nor venom?

Crum375 (talk) 11:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that if you are. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Henry Newman (Medal of Honor)

... that, along with Michael Glynn and John Nihill, Henry Newman was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for gallantry?

Created by 72.74.218.214 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Size/date verified. —mono 22:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Fricker

... that the spray-painting of graffiti on a Mass Rapid Transit train in a depot by Oliver Fricker and an accomplice in May 2010 caused an outcry over the security of protected installations in Singapore?

Created by Warpslider (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 18:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, size, and refs verified. —mono 22:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wheelie bike

... that the wheelie bike fad drove bicycle sales to over 4 million units in the US?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths verified. Hook ref AGFed. Crum375 (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the good faith, and I've updated the reference to contain a url to the relevant passage on Google Books. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Henri-Pierre Picou

... that Henri-Pierre Picou was considered the most fashionable painter towards the close of the Second French Empire?

Created by VernoWhitney (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's quite a POV statement. Although I accept that someone in a book once wrote that he's "the most fashionable painter", it's still too POV for me. Is there any way you can rephrase so that this is more NPOV?-- φ OnePt618 φ 05:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make it "was one of the most fashionable painters" or "has been called the most fashionable"? I've never tried writing a DYK hook before, so I don't know if any other part of the article could be a hook. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I like "has been called the most fashionable" better. :) Submit a new ALT hook below and I'll approve it!-- φ OnePt618 φ 15:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Henri-Pierre Picou has been called the most fashionable painter towards the close of the Second French Empire?

The end of it sounds kind of awkward to me, but nothing springs to mind for how to fix it. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Theodore (brother of Heraclius)

... that Theodore, the brother of Byzantine emperor Heraclius, was publicly humiliated and imprisoned due to his failure to counter the Muslim raids and his opposition to Heraclius' marriage with Martina?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Inline ref does not immediately follow DYK claim, per rule 3 "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim"-- φ OnePt618 φ 06:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Constantine ✍ 08:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Pipistrellus raceyi

... that the Malagasy bat species Pipistrellus raceyi is characterized by a long, straight penis?

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths verified, hook ref AGFed. Crum375 (talk) 23:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Operation Loyton

~~...that in September 1944 a Frenchman died eating plastic explosives which he had mistaken for cheese?~~

x5 expansion and self nom by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1

...that in September 1944 during Operation Loyton a Frenchman died eating plastic explosives he had mistaken for cheese?

x5 expansion and self nom by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths verified. Hook ref AGF. It would be nice to get an online source, or at least a quote from the book supporting the hook claim. Crum375 (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The books avail on line page 45 here --Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Does not the hook link violate WP:EGG? -Atmoz (talk) 19:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 added which should satisfy --Jim Sweeney (talk) 23:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hook ref verified too. All OK, and I accept ALT1. I have crossed out the other version. Crum375 (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Brandon Bess

... that Brandon Bess was a "surprise debutant" for the West Indies cricket team in June 2010, rushed late to the ground, eventually arriving in the second over of the match?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

It might help to mention what sport this is about. -AndrewDressel (talk) 18:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Harrias 20:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Project GreenHands

... a tree planting marathon organized by Project GreenHands resulted in 852,587 saplings being planted in Tamil Nadu which resulted in the setting of a Guinness World Record?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 06:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length are fine. I couldn't verify the hook, however, as one of the references for it (# 8 "Extending a green hand") seems to be a dead link (it says this when I load: "The article you are looking for is no longer available in this website"). The other citation (#9 "Free distribution of saplings") confirms the record, but I can't quite understand confirm the figures. It says "8.58 lakh saplings" planted by "2.58 lakh people". I think lakh equates to 100,000 (please correct me if I am wrong), so these figures would be 858,000 and 258 000 people, However, the article you have nominated states "852,587 saplings" planted by "256,289 people". Can you please (1) investigate and fix the dead link if possible; (2) explain the difference in the two numbers? Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the broken link. The newspaper actually changed websites on June 23rd and I didn't take any action about that. Also, I have given an alternate citation and removed the one which has the discrepancy in the numbers. Is it possible to cite the actual guinness world record through the guinness website? I also have a scan of the world record. Is there some way that might be used? Thnx. Regstuff (talk) 05:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

My concerns have been addressed. Regarding linking to the Guinness website, I'm not sure. If the record is listed there, I can't see any reason why you couldn't link it in the same way you have to the newspaper articles. I think that would be fine. Regardless, I feel that the article is now good to go as far as DYK is concerned. Thanks for responding so quickly. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Chula Vista, California

... that Chula Vista, California is the 7th largest city in Southern California and is the second largest city in San Diego County?

Created by 205.188.116.130 (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at , 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Not a new or expanded article (and, incidentally, not created by 205.188.116.130 either). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, this nomination was made by neither 205.188.116.130 nor Spongie555, but 68.8.137.220. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

68.8.137.220. might have been me becuse when i made the nomination i forgot to log in to my account and i didnt notice till after I had made the nomination that I wasnt logged in as Spongie555. Spongie555 (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

John H. Ewing, 16th Legislative District (New Jersey)

... that State Senator John H. Ewing of New Jersey's 16th District opposed state funding for poorer school districts, as "some drive a Ford Taurus, like me", but "we can't pay for everyone to drive a Mercedes"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Source link has an error. Crum375 (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

There's something flaky going on at The Times' webs site. If you get an error, refreshing the link once or twice will often get you an article that it said did not exists. Alansohn (talk) 21:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Expansion date, lengths, hook ref verified. Ref is working OK now. Crum375 (talk) 13:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Huber's

... that Portland restaurant Huber's used to be a saloon?

ALT1:... that Huber's is the oldest restaurant in Portland, Oregon, having been established in 1879?

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 19:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The first reference, closest to the hook, says that "it's one of Portland's oldest restaurants," not that it is the oldest or that it claims to be the oldest. -AndrewDressel (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Elsatsoosu

... that Elsatsoosu was one of ten scouts in his unit awarded the Medal of Honor?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 18:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Okryugwan

... that Ahn Young-gi, who supervised the construction of the restaurant Okryugwan, was arrested in 2000 for spying on South Korea?

ALT1:...that North Korean analyst Andrei Lankov described Okryugwan as one of the two restaurants that have "defined the culinary life of Pyongyang" since the 1980s?
ALT2:...that Korean War veterans that live in Pyongyang receive free noodles from Okryugwan, a North Korean restaurant, on the anniversary of the Korean Armistice Agreement?
ALT3:...that when a branch of Okryugwan first opened in Seoul, the employees were turning away as many as 3,000 customers a day due to lack of seating?

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 01:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Marcela Valladolid

... that Mexican cuisine celebrity chef and author Marcela Valladolid has also been classically trained as a pastry chef in Paris?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Arbor Networks

... that software company Arbor Networks sells network security and monitoring software in use by over 70% of all Internet service providers, giving it unique insight into Internet traffic?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 05:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. The main claim, that its software in use by over 70% of all ISPs, is only confirmed by the companies own website. Might there be a source with a little less vested interest? -AndrewDressel (talk) 01:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

List of submarine topographical features

~~... that an anoxic event that occurred 90.4 million years ago led to the extinction of 26% of all extant genera?~~

Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Since there have been many anoxic events, as described in the real "anoxic event" article, I think it's incorrect to WP:EGG the hook into a general list of submarine features, at it implies some special connection, and for some reason is focused on one anoxic event out of many, and not even the most drastic one. I think you need a hook into something more unique to this list article and not mislead the reader. Crum375 (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

You are quite right, Crum375. My original hook was sloppily conceived and written. I do some of my worst work in the wee hours of the night :) How about the following hook?

... that using a continuously recording fathometer, WHOI scientists aboard RV Atlantis located and described the first abyssal plain in 1947? DiverDave (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

George H. Eldridge

... that George H. Eldridge was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for "gallantry in action" at the Battle of the Little Wichita River?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Edwin L. Elwood

... that Edwin L. Elwood received the Congressional Medal of Honor during the Campaign of the Rocky Mesa, in which he was shot in the chest?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref verified, with the exception of the "shot in the chest" ref, which refers to a book, so AGF on that.-- φ OnePt618 φ 05:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hayes McClerkin

... that the Arkansas Democratic politician Hayes McClerkin in 1970 challenged Governor Winthrop Rockefeller's "list" of militants disrupting college and university campuses?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Mordecai Barbour

... that after serving in the Culpeper County Militia under Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette, Mordecai Barbour embarked upon successful ventures in manufactories and toll bridges?

Created by Caponer (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1... that after serving as an officer in the Culpeper County Militia under Lafayette, Mordecai Barbour embarked upon successful ventures in manufactories and toll bridges? --Caponer (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
ALT2... that after serving under Lafayette during the American Revolutionary War, Mordecai Barbour wrote a letter to United States President James Madison volunteering to lead a regiment in the War of 1812? --Caponer (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
ALT3... that in addition to serving under Lafayette during the American Revolutionary War, Mordecai Barbour wrote a letter to United States President James Madison volunteering to lead a regiment in the War of 1812? --Caponer (talk) --Caponer (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Edwin L. Elwood

...that Edwin L. Elwood was awarded the Medal of Honor for gallantry during the fighting in the Chiricahua Mountains, known as the "Campaign of the Rocky Mesa", on October 20, 1869?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 00:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

This was nominated above.-- φ OnePt618 φ 05:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

George H. Eldridge

... that George H. Eldridge received the Medal of Honor for gallantry fighting the Kiowa Indians and Chief Kicking Bird at the Battle of the Little Wichita River?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 20:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Transandinomys

... that the only external feature that distinguishes the rice rat genera Transandinomys and Hylaeamys may be length of the whiskers?

5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Why 'may be'? Might there be other distinguishing features as well? -AndrewDressel (talk) 01:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Mayer (spy)

... that Gauleiter of Tyrol and Vorarlberg Franz Hofer (pictured) arranged the surrender of the troops under his command with an American sergeant, and a Jewish emigrant from Germany, Fred Mayer?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Size, date, and hook ref verified. —mono 22:28, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be "Frederick Mayer (spy)"? Also, I think "an American sergeant, and Jewish emigrant from Germany, Fred Mayer" is better grammar, - Kingpin (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I've done it, thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You have a few typos in the article. One I fixed (stated > stayed) but there's one "other" that needs either "the" before it or to be made "others" and I don't know which it is, so I had to leave it. Also, you have an ambiguous link in there, "CC". Marrante (talk) 08:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Everything is fixed, thanks for noticing.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Steine House

... that an Earl of Barrymore once rode his horse up an imitation bamboo staircase in Steine House, Brighton (pictured), to win a bet?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Offline refs accepted in good faith. Size/date verified. —mono 22:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Our Lady Star of the Sea and St Winefride, Amlwch

... that the church of Our Lady Star of the Sea and St Winefride (pictured) in Amlwch, Wales, is shaped like an upturned boat to reflect the town's maritime heritage?

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 20:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

James Mangham

... that in his two Football League appearances, goalkeeper James Mangham conceded a total of ten goals?

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 18:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Son Ferrer

... that archaeological excavation at the tomb of Son Ferrer included collaboration with experts from the University of the Balearic Islands?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the tomb of Son Ferrer on the island of Majorca served as a necropolis where the remains of over a hundred people, including infants, have been found?. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Milecastle 10

... that excavations of Turret 10A of Hadrian's Wall have revealed pre-historic ard marks?

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 07:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I've changed "discovered" to "revealed", since the discovery was done by the excavators, not the excavations. Nyttend (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length check out, but I am unable to verify the hook. The citation doesn't mention anything about ard marks that I could see, just pottery sherds. Marrante (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking it over. It is in the reference but, rather annoyingly, you have to click the expansion tab (+ button) next to the header that says "More information and sources" in order to get all the excavation info. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, I thought about that, but was pressed for time, but have looked now and it all checks out now. Marrante (talk) 20:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Don Roberts (ice hockey)

... that Legend of Hockey Don Roberts was assigned to coach hockey despite having never played the sport and coached his team in boots due to his unsteadiness on skates?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and first hook ref verified. Second hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 12:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Children and Television (book)

... that Gerald S. Lesser wrote Children and Television in 1974 to defend Sesame Street against its critics?

Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You might want to fix some of those typos in the article.Marrante (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Um, which ones are you talking about? I use Firefox when I edit WP, and there were no red lines other than surnames and specialized words like "distractor" and "summative" research. Provide specifics, please. Christine (talk) 04:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I was talking about things like the caption beginning with an open bracket, "

Yah, I fixed it, after I came here and sounded like a smart--well, you know. I don't know what other instances you're talking about, but I went back to double check, and I think we're good to go now. I really need to stop editing WP late at night, but when else am I gonna find the time? Please excuse the bad attitude, and thanks for the input. Christine (talk) 18:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Vekoma Madhouse

... that a Vekoma Madhouse, a theme park ride, creates the impression that the rider is turning upside down, however it is actually the room that is moving around them?

Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 12:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The hook isn't cited with an inline citation. There are only two references, one of which is the manufacturer's website. The second reference is a forum, not a reliable source. APK whisper in my ear 18:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 25

William D. Edwards

... that William D. Edwards was awarded the Medal of Honor of gallantry in the Battle of the Big Hole in 1877 ?

Created by 72.74.203.184 (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 18:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Per DYK eligibility check, prose size stands at 1122. Bejinhan Talk 06:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Magnum Rolle

... that 2010 NBA Draft pick Magnum Rolle never played basketball until he was 14?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk), AllisonFoley (talk). Nominated by Editorofthewiki (talk) at 23:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Olav Johan Sopp

... that mycologist Olav Johan Sopp suggested to classify fungi as belonging to neither plantae nor animalia, but to a third kingdom, already in the 1890s?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

1907 Sub-Antarctic Islands Scientific Expedition

... that the 1907 Sub-Antarctic Islands Scientific Expedition rescued the castaways (four survivors pictured) of the Dundonald?

Comment: Nice work by User:Islandbaygardener - interesting story! The Dundonald article has recently been expanded.

Created by Islandbaygardener (talk). Nominated by Schwede66 (talk) at 21:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Bob LaPointe

... that, in an eventually successful effort to end the nation's longest losing streak, Eastern Michigan University football coach Bob LaPointe hired a local hypnotist?

Created by Cmadler (talk). Self nom at 17:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Longest losing streak of what? Bejinhan Talk 06:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

George E. Jonas

... that according to Pete Seeger, George E. Jonas, founder of international leadership program Camp Rising Sun in the Hudson River Valley, first wanted to name the camp "Rising Son"?

ALT1:... that George E. Jonas founded Camp Rising Sun with his family's fortune in 1929 when he was 32, retired at 57 to devote himself to the camp full-time and remained active with it till his death in 1978?
ALT2:... that George E. Jonas founded and funded a leadership-training program for disadvantaged boys after the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and after World War II, expanded it to include boys from all over the world?

Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 08:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I just added a second alternate hook. I would love to put some of the other very illustrious alumni in the hook, but cannot find any sources other than those connected with the organization. I guess that the more successful one is, the more one has to put on a resume, particularly over time and unless you can find an interview where the person mentions it (as with Pete Seeger), there is simply no second source documentation. The camp today has over 5,000 alumni from over 80 countries, another great statistic, but again only available succinctly like that from the organization itself. If someone can help me find a way to write a more intriguing hook for this worthy man and his worthy life's work, I'd be much obliged. Marrante (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Michigan Train wreck

... that the worst rail disaster in both North Dakota and Great Northern Railway history was the Michigan train wreck, which occurred in August 1945?

Created by GrahamHardy (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 22:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Length and date are good, but the article contains almost no inline citations. The hook fact is cited, but I would question the reliability of the source. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Settepozzi

... that the defeat of a joint Byzantine-Genoese fleet by a smaller Venetian fleet at the Battle of Settepozzi caused Byzantine emperor Michael VIII to distance himself from his alliance with Genoa?

ALT1:...that the defeat of a joint Byzantine-Genoese fleet by a smaller Venetian fleet at the Battle of Settepozzi was caused by divided command and the reluctance of the Genoese admirals to risk their ships?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Temple Israel (Tulsa, Oklahoma)

... that sculptor Seymour Lipton produced three works of ceremonial art for the bimah of Temple Israel in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

Comment: The history of the article is a bit confused, because of various changes and moves, but I've basically expanded the material on Temple Israel (Tulsa, Oklahoma) from 215 words to 1211 words. Jayjg 03:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Mark Donaldson (rugby player)

... that Mark Donaldson played 13 test matches for the New Zealand All Blacks between 1977 and 1981?

ALT1:... that, as a reserve player for the New Zealand All Blacks, Mark Donaldson set up the play that won the historic 1981 Auckland rugby union test match against the South African Springboks?

Created by AusTerrapin (talk), Dingy (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length and hooks all look good, but the article is very heavily dependant on a single source, to the point where it's almost one big paraphrase from that source. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it is, as is the original version on the French Misplaced Pages from which it was originally translated and then modified. I am not an expert, nor particularly interested, in rugby union, but the article was necessary to be raised on the English Misplaced Pages to prevent bots from linking the New Zealand rugby player on the French Misplaced Pages with the Australian Victoria Cross Winner on the English Misplaced Pages. I also ensured the article had a few extras such as appropriate infoboxes, etc. Hopefully interest generated from DYK might spur others to expand the article further with additional reference sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AusTerrapin (talk • contribs)

After conferring with a reviewer more experienced with DYK:

date length and hook are all good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook

... that the 1925 will of Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook is the longest ever—95,940 words in four volumes—yet it disposed of only $100,000?

Created by User:Agradman (talk). Nominated by User:Agradman (talk) at 09:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The date and length both look good, I haven't yet checked the reference for the hook, but the article is (bar half a sentence or so) entirely about the will, not its owner, so do you think that might be better reflected in the title?HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the title of the article (and made some of our intervening dialogue here invisible). The new proposed lead should read as follows: "... that the 1925 will of Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook is the longest ever—95,940 words in four volumes—yet it disposed of only $100,000?" Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook 21:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

All looks good now with the page move, though if I might suggest a minor grammatical change to the hook, changing it to "That, at 95,940 words in four volumes...". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed; implemented below. Thanks, HJ Mitchell, for all the input! Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook 22:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

... that, at 95,940 words in four volumes, the 1925 will of Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook is the longest ever, yet it disposed of only $100,000?

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Denis Preston

... that Europe's first independent record producer, Denis Preston, would record and produce albums before finding a label to market them?

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hook does not seem to be in the article, or is this taken from the line "...he was not contracted to a particular record label and would often risk cutting a record before pitching for a deal"? Also, if that is the origin of the hook, I'm a little unsure about the source, as it seems to be a musician's personal site. Other than that, looks good. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to find a better source (there are plenty of worse ones, mind) and/or crowbar the hook to fit what sources we do have. matt (talk) 10:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Stock im Eisen, Palais Equitable

... that in a niche on the corner of the Palais Equitable in Vienna is the Stock im Eisen, a tree trunk that people have hammered nails into since the Middle Ages?

Comment: Palais Equitable created on June 24; Stock im Eisen was previously a redirect

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length okay for both articles, AGF-ing the offline source for the age of the trunk. --Pgallert (talk) 08:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Dorsland Trek

... that after completing the Dorsland Trek from South Africa to Angola in the 1870s, many Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade Afrikaans in schools?

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1:... that after completing the Dorsland Trek from South Africa to Angola in the 1870s, many Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade their language in schools?

Comment: I prefer ALT 1 ("their language"), unfortunately it is 205 characters long. The main hook is exactly at 200, please keep that in mind when suggesting changes. Maybe we can say that the three dots, the space, and the question mark do not count towards the hook ;) or alternatively apply a very mild case of IAR? --Pgallert (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

What about changing "turned back" to "returned" and "completing" to "finishing"? That would save four characters, and perhaps we could ignore the dots. I've changed "at schools" to "in schools" and capitalised "catholicism". Nyttend (talk) 14:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, "returned" is not right because they came from South Africa and turned back (southwards) into South-West Africa. Only few of them really returned from where they came. "Finishing" sounds strange to me (but I'm not a native English speaker). To be perfectly honest, even "completed" is not entirely true because today the entire journey, including the turn back, is referred to as "Dorsland Trek" - but to point that out would cost another few characters. -- I have turned around the two actions by the Portuguese, that reads a bit easier, and it makes clear what the "them" refers to. --Pgallert (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I misunderstood about "returned"; thanks. What about "that after reaching Angola from South Africa in the Dorsland Trek of the 1870s..."? That saves two characters and avoids the "not entirely true" problem. Nyttend (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Much better, thanks, see outdented ALT2 below. Now you can even count the dots :) Striking the other two versions. --Pgallert (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2:... that after reaching Angola in the Dorsland Trek of the 1870s, many South African Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade their language in schools?

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Freedom of information legislation (Florida)

... that Florida's open government laws are considered the most expansive in the United States?

Created by Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook. Nominated by Andrew Gradman /_WP:Hornbook at 08:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

1974–75 Buffalo Sabres season

... that although all three members of The French Connection missed several games, they still finished 1-2-3 in scoring for the 1974–75 Buffalo Sabres?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 05:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

(alt hook) ...that the 1974–75 Buffalo Sabres had three separate 10 game unbeaten streaks during the 80 game season?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Gerald R. Stockman

... that Gerald R. Stockman's support of fair housing efforts in New Jersey earned him recognition by The New York Times as "one of the Legislature's strongest open-housing advocates"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook ref verified. APK whisper in my ear 06:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Jeon-gwan ye-u

... that in the South Korean legal system, litigants prefer to hire former judges or prosecutors as their lawyers, because they think sitting judges will treat them more favourably?

Comment: The hook fact is cited to a restricted-access journal paper; you can see a preprint version here. I expanded the article after finding it at AfD; ~~note that the the AfD is still open and the article is likely to be moved to a different title.~~ cab (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: The AfD has been closed, and I moved the article to jeon-gwan ye-u. Thanks, cab (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk) at 01:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

List of governments in Canada by annual expenditures

... that the City of Toronto has a bigger annual budget than the governments of Prince Edward Island, Nunavut, Yukon and the Northwest Territories combined?

Created by Padraic (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Big Bambú

... that you can climb over and through Big Bambú, the newest sculpture in the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

Created by User:AMuseo (talk). Self nom 24 June 2010 (UTC)

At 1219 characters of prose, the article is a little short of the 1500 required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I have lengthened it.AMuseo (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length are fine now. However, the hook seems to imply (to me, at least) that it's part of the museum's permanent collection, which it isn't, and there's no source stating that it's still the "newest" anyways. How does the following alternate sound? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that visitors can climb through the Metropolitan Museum of Art's temporary art installation, Big Bambú, which is constantly evolving as a crew of rock climbers builds it throughout its six month run?

I concur.AMuseo (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Avid Radiopharmaceuticals

... that a radioactive tracer 18F-AV-45 that can be used to detect Alzheimer's disease using PET scans has been developed by Avid Radiopharmaceuticals?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I think this might need a slightly more cautious wording, as despite the NY Times piece on which this article is based, the results haven't yet been presented even at a conference, let alone in a peer-reviewed publication. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The hook is backed by reliable and verifiable sources, but here's an alternate: ALT1 "that a radioactive tracer 18F-AV-45 that might be used to detect Alzheimer's disease using PET scans has been developed by Avid Radiopharmaceuticals?" Any other suggestions. Alansohn (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Alt2: ... that Avid Radiopharmaceuticals are developing a radioactive tracer which has the potential to detect Alzheimer's disease using PET scans? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Horatio Washington Bruce

... that, despite having served as a Confederate congressman during the American Civil War, Judge Horatio Washington Bruce was among the first Kentuckians to advocate that the testimony of Negros be considered admissible in court?

5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Nominated by Acdixon (talk) at 16:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Verified. But should the word "negros" be used in the hook? —innotata 21:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Neva River

... that every winter between 1895 and 1910, electric trams were running on the ice of the frozen Neva River (pictured)?

Comment: ALT1 ... that in 1963, a plane landed on Neva River (pictured) with 45 passengers and no casualties? Here are alternative tram pictures. Although ALT1 is reminescent of the recent famous landing, I do prefer the main hook.

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 10:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Matsci, why are you omitting the definite article through most of this article? That may be appropriate in the original Russian, but it isn't grammatical in English. Gatoclass (talk) 07:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I am not good with definite articles anyway. Omitted because "The Neva" sounds funny to me, close to Geneva, Zeneva or Jenever, whereas Neva is quite unique. Writing and speech are different though .. Materialscientist (talk) 07:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Nouns take a definite article in English, I know this is not the case in many other languages, but this is the English-language 'pedia not the Russian, it's "the Neva" in English. Gatoclass (talk) 08:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22

The Oatmeal

... that the website The Oatmeal, with comics with subjects ranging from zombies, to horse care, to English grammar, receives over 20 million hits a month after existing for less than a year?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 02:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

- verified.--White Shadows 02:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Eric Hamilton

... that Eric Hamilton, the youngest American college football head coach when hired by Trenton State College at age 23, has held the same job for 33 years?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

verified.--White Shadows 02:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

List of college football coaches with 200 career wins

... that the list of college football coaches with 200 career wins is topped by John Gagliardi, Eddie Robinson, and Joe Paterno?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hoxne Hoard

... that the Hoxne Hoard, the largest hoard of Roman silver and gold discovered in Britain, includes pepper pots, silverware and a body chain (pictured)?

Comment: WIP ... its meant to be an FA candidate by Friday, but its certainly done 5x expansion already

5x expanded by Witty lama (talk), Fæ (talk), The Land (talk), WereSpielChequers and lots of others. Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Being picky here, but the article has not yet been expanded 5x since 22 June (less than 4x). It is a large expansion, though, and the hook statements are referenced (mainly to offline sources). The image has an appropriate license. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I didnt realise that the date was so precise. I thought this had done 5x expansion BY 22 June. It was a very small stub. I've lost my reference to the sizing tool. If someone could remind me then I will be explicit about the dates I claim. Victuallers (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The usual tool these days is at User:Shubinator/DYKcheck. You're meant to propose the hook under the date the article was created or expansion began. However, if no-one objects then I'd be happy to handwave this one, as it's clearly undergone a huge expansion recently and the current article appears of a high standard. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

My fault EA. Thanks for your consideration. As you say its taken dozens of editors and a strong involvement from the curators at the British museum. Victuallers (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

True/Slant

... that Lisa Todorovich wrote in True/Slant that if Warren Beatty's claims to have slept with 13,000 women is true, he would have had to have slept with one woman every 1.17 days from age 14 to age 55?

Created by --Epeefleche (talk) 07:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC); self nom

This hook doesn't work, in my opinion. First of all, it's not really about True/Slant, but more about Warren Beatty. More specifically, it's about Peter Biskind's biography of Beatty, Star: How Warren Beatty Seduced America, in which Biskind estimated that Beatty had slept with 12,775 women. This was not Beatty's own claim, but rather an estimate by the biographer. Biskind arrived at this figure by doing basically the same mathematical calculation cited in the hook, just by multiplying rather than dividing: ""If he had no more than one partner a night -- and often there were several -- over a period of, say, three and a half decades from the mid-1950s ... to 1991, when he met Annette Bening, and allowing for the stretches when he was with the same woman, more or less, we can arrive at a figure of 12,775 women, give or take," Biskind wrote." Todorovich basically took the number 12,775 and divided it over the appropriate period of Beatty's life. So this is just a reiteration of what Biskind wrote, which Beatty's lawyer said was "baloney" anyway. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

We routinely (as editors who frequent this page know), at DyK related to media, use what the media has reported. This hook does just that. It is verifiable. Verifiabilty, not truth, is the core test. IMHO Metro's OR dispute (regarding "truth", not verifiability) with what the publication has indubitably said is not a reason to not promote a verifiable hook.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I can understand wanting to use as a hook what a media subject has reported, but I'd rather it be something that the media subject reported originally rather than just paraphrasing from a recently published book. With that in mind, here's an ALT1 hook: ... that a True/Slant blogger revealed the news that Facebook president Mark Zuckerberg had changed his privacy settings to allow almost 300 personal photos to be displayed to friends of his friends? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy for you to add your ALT1 (though I question whether it is as "hooky"). I remain of the opinion that the original hook is perfecty fine. True/Slant is not paraphrasing a book. Rather, it is reporting (and this is what is the hooky thing about their report) that the numbers revealed in the book calcualate out to approx one new partner a day for his adult life. That's not just a paraphrase. But, why not put up both hooks for consideration, and whichever the masses here prefer can be used.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

It seems that after having his Operation Arabian Knight article rejected for DYK, Epeefleche is now trying to give it backdoor exposure through this article. I think if the material was deemed unsuitable, it's unsuitable whether in a standalone article or piggybacking on another one. Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I would ask Gato to retract that untruth. Without discussing Gato's behavior, I would simply point out that this DYK nom preceded Gato's effort to undermine the other DYK as it was in-queue. And further, that there is nothing in this hook that discusses the other hook.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Well not exactly, as I raised concerns about the other hook long before this one was nommed. And you could have alerted someone to the fact that you had another nom with the same material in it. But it does seem I was mistaken to assume that you nommed this article after the rejection of the other one, and apologize for the misunderstanding.

However, none of that addresses the current problem, which is that this article contains material already rejected as unsuitable for the main page. Given that the material is also superfluous to the subject of this article, there is even less reason to include it here. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The material in this hook and the material in the other hook are completely different. As to the mistake -- no worries; mistakes happen. Appreciate the apology. As to your last comment, it makes not sense, since as I mentioned the other hook and this hook are mutually exclusive. And since, as you know, periodicals report -- this is on what this periodical reported (which actually involved use of brainpower by the author to create, not just report). That's precisely what we reflect in DYKs about publications.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The point is, at least two editors expressed the view that while this material might be notable enough for the Wiki, it was too iffy to feature on the main page. In some ways, this article is even worse, because it just highlights some of the more objectionable elements of the previous article.

I think you should just remove the contentious material. It is in no way essential to the topic at hand here, so there is no compelling reason to include it. Gatoclass (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Gato -- you continue to miss the point. This "Warren Beatty hook" has never been presented before, vis-a-vis this article or any other. The underlying new "True/Slant article" has never been presented before, as it was just written. I'm not sure where your confusion stems from. Or what "contentious material" you would like me to remove from this hook for it to be promoted.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on, you know exactly what I am talking about. This is not about the hook, it's about the paragraph in the article devoted to "dumb Jihadis" who can't spell. You've had two users object to this material on BLP grounds, and it's not in the least necessary to include this material in this article. Gatoclass (talk) 16:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

What? So, you're fine with the hook. But don't like one sentence in the article? Because it refers to a person holding a sign with a spelling error? How in the world is that a reason not to promote an article? Please explain. It's not even in the hook.

And its not unduly negative--compared to other promoted hooks that we trumpet as our best. As the hook that was among those at DYK that we highlight for receiving the third-most hits ever, about one person beheading another, with a photo of the beheading. And the hook that was among the most view, which said "... that in April 2008, Forbes listed Omid Tahvili (pictured) as one of the world's ten most wanted fugitives?". Beheadings and being one of the world's most wanted fugitives are not unduly negative. But an underlying article -- not even a hook, but the underlying article -- that mentions in one sentence a person holding a sign with a spelling error is so unduly negative that the hook can't be promoted?

This seems far from even-handed, Gato. And I feel you've been especially so with me, ever since a certain incident that I brought to arbitration. I would appreciate input from others here who not on the FOG list. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not just "one sentence". The entire paragraph holds these two individuals up to ridicule, mocks them as "dumb" and unable to spell, and refers to them as "Jihadis" when nothing has been proven against them. The paragraph is therefore a clear violation of BLP in my view. And you've already had "input" from three users about this material - myself, Espresso and Quasiman - objecting to its marginal nature. As a strong consensus is generally required for DYK promotion, that ought to be enough to disqualify this content. And I would point out that I am not objecting to the promotion of this article - just its promotion with this material included, which is not at all necessary to the topic. Gatoclass (talk) 17:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

There is no BLP issue with the paragraph in question because the quote is attributed to the author. The article does not call the individual a "jihadi".--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:BLP states: Biographies of living persons (BLPs) must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives, and the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. That seems clear enough to me. All the more so given that this is content proposed for exposure on the main page. Gatoclass (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

hook verified, meets all the requirements for DYK. --William S. Saturn (talk) 17:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Um, no sorry, you can't do that when there is a debate under way. Gatoclass (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a battleground to "debate" political issues. The author of the article used reliable sources to back up the article's content.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

This page exists precisely to debate the suitability of material for DYK promotion. And the issue here is not whether the author "used reliable sources" or not, it's obviously more complex than that. Gatoclass (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious that the above user is being treated unfairly.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Well it may be obvious to you, but it's not at all obvious to me, nor to the other users who have objected to the promotion of this material. I try very hard to be fair to all parties here, and I don't feel I am being at all unfair in this case - I am just trying to apply a consistent standard. This material was already found to be inappropriate for DYK, and if it's inappropriate in one submission it's only consistent to take the view that it is inappropriate in another. I have also pointed out umpteen times that I am not objecting to the promotion of this article per se, so Epeefleche stills gets his DYK, I am only objecting to one paragraph in the article which contains material already deemed unsuitable. Gatoclass (talk) 18:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Then maybe you should discuss it on the article talk page since it has nothing to do with the hook.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

William, you appear to have very little understanding of how DYK works. We do not just assess "hooks", we also assess article content. Gatoclass (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

You appear to have very little understanding of WP:BLP, since BLP only applies to poorly sourced claims.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Gato knows quite well that his view of BLP as applied to the article, underlying the sentence, underlying the hook in question is a peculiarly personal non-consensus one. He trotted out his unique interpretation of BLP at that article's AfD. It failed to attract support. And the AfD of the article he objected, to claiming it was a "clear BLP violation", was closed a "keep".--Epeefleche (talk) 19:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you disagree that reliable sources have stated that the author of the journal made the claims?--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sources can be more or less reliable, there is not always a clear dividing line, but I am not objecting to this material on WP:V grounds, I am objecting to it on WP:BLP grounds and on the fact that we have a higher standard for inclusion here than we do for Misplaced Pages as a whole. Please read the quote I posted from WP:BLP again. Gatoclass (talk) 18:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

To clarify: Gato is the only editor asserting that this mention of a spelling error in an underlying article is so unduly negative that as a consequence the unrelated hook cannot be promoted. I think Gato is clearly wrong, as explained above.

Gato expressed a similar view at a recent AfD. The consensus in the "keep" determination at the AfD rejected your view that there was a "clear WP:BLP violation". Gato now seeks to apply your non-consensus view at DYK.

Furthermore, Gato is applying a markedly different standard to my DYK nominations (this not being the first one) than is applied to any other. Cf. the beheading DYK, and wanted fugitive DYK, both of which we trumpet. That those are not to be considered unduly negative, but a spelling error mention in an underlying article is, makes no sense.

Also, as to Gato's "three editors" claim: First, Espresso sought to put the other hook to which Gato refers (which was about the spelling error) back in a different queue. Second, a sysop with over 84,000 edits had promoted that hook. Before Gato went back on his word, and sought to have it pulled from queue. Third, Quasi only objected to that other hook--not to this hook, which is different, and does not mention the spelling error--and as you know he was replied to and he has all of 300+ edits compared to the 129,000+ that the sysop who promoted the hook and I have between us. Fourth, that entire discussion was quite odd, opened up as it was by an IP who found his way for his first edit ever to the DYK talk page to comment on my nomination. Which just leaves us with Gato -- again applying inconsistent standards to my nominations.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, "75" is a long-established and respected contributor here at DYK, who just chooses for some reason not register. I haven't time to re-open these issues with you now, but I will just point out before logging off that there are now four users (see NSH's comment below) who have objected to the promotion of this material, not including 75. Gatoclass (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with classy cat. The only source is the journal itself, and the newspaper articles it cites in turn. All based on unproven allegations, and accompanied by photos carefully chosen to make the subjects look as repulsive as possible. A classic smear-job, and totally unacceptable for Misplaced Pages's front page. --NSH001 (talk) 18:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

That's not even the hook.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Uh, you're still not getting it William. It's not all just about "the hook" here. NSH, thankyou for the additional support. I am going to have to log off shortly BTW, and won't be able to contribute further until tomorrow, so please don't take my silence from this point as tacit consent for anything said in the meantime. Gatoclass (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think that William does get it. Hi NSH--haven't seen you since I dropped out of the P-I discussions, as too heated. Agree w/William--here, the discussion is about the hook. Gato is arguing about one sentence in the article, wholly unrelated to the hook (that discussion can, and should. be had elsewhere).

NSH also makes an unusual comment in support of Gato, referring to the official photo of the two as reflecting "repulsive" people, and being "carefully chosen" as such. First of all, as they look much as I did at their age, I resent the "repulsive" dig. They're quite good looking, actually. Second, the photo wasn't "carefully chosen" for that purpose, as NSH recklessly and falsely claims. It was chosen because it was the on-wiki-commons photo of the two. If NSH happens to have a photo of them in which he feels they are even more attractive, of course he is welcome to add (or in my view, even replace) that photo. But again -- that a subject for elsewhere, not for discussion of this hook.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I am tired of debating this, if you feel you are not getting a fair deal here, we can take this to the BLP noticeboard. If the regular reviewers there see no problem with the disputed paragraph, then I will step aside from this debate and the other DYKers can decide what to do with this nom. Gatoclass (talk) 12:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

This entire discussion is an example of extreme rule creep. A person is facing terrorism charges, yet we're worried about an implication that he doesn't know how to spell. This is not what WP:BLP was intended for. Then, using this bogus BLP claim to invalidate a DYK where the bogus BLP violation is not even in the hook and takes up a few lines in the article, is wikilawyering at its worst. The article is fine and ready to go. Any insignificant tangential issues can be discussed at the article talk page. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 16:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Brewcrewer that we are getting a bit carried away here with issues that are best addressed at the article itself and its talk page. Let's let this go on DYK and free up some space here. Alansohn (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Whether the discussion continues here or at the talk page is immaterial. The rule here is that articles are not promoted until disputes have been resolved, and clearly this dispute has not been resolved, with more than one editor here expressing objections to the content. I have offered to have this dispute resolved by uninvolved parties and I don't see why such means should not be acceptable. Gatoclass (talk) 18:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Please note that my original objections, which have nothing to do with the "jihadi" item in the article, have not been adequately addressed. First, Beatty himself never claimed to have slept with 13,000 women, thus making the hook problematic under WP:BLP. That claim was actually made about Beatty by Peter Biskind, who is not credited within the True/Slant article, much less within the hook. Second, the hook is mostly just a reiteration of Biskind's calculation as to Beatty's number of sexual partners (which he based on the idea of a different woman every night except for certain periods of his adult life) , not something that the True/Slant writer independently discovered, except to the extent that she used a calculator to divide Biskind's "12,775 women" for Beatty over the estimated number of days from Beatty's puberty to his marriage. Giving True/Slant credit for this information would be like writing a DYK hook that said "... that Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein's investigative reporting on the Watergate scandal was published by The Victoria Advocate?" Then, if somebody objected, saying, "What are you talking about? Everyone knows that Woodward and Bernstein were reporters for The Washington Post, not some small newspaper in Texas!", one could prove the hook by saying, "See here. I didn't say the Victoria Advocate published Woodward and Bernstein's articles first, I just said that they published them." That wouldn't work for me. If we're going to have a DYK hook about a blog, it should be about something that the blog published that was original, not just a reiteration of a claim from a book. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree w/Saturn, Brew, and Sohn. Have already addressed Metro's issue, as OR--and by pointing out that our focus is verifiability, etc.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

alt:....that contributing writers to True/Slant are partly compensated according to how many times their articles are viewed?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 17:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

That hook is fine, but the dispute is not about the hook. Please see my reply to Alansohn above. Gatoclass (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

If the hook is fine we can add this to the queue and move on. User:NSH001 (who appears to made have made his first edits to this talk page) and your concerns about the implications of poor spelling are duly noted. However, a clear consensus of informed and experienced editors have addressed your BLP concerns and disagreed with your assessment. Forum shopping at this point would just be a waste of everyone's time. But if you wish to find a better consensus, by all means, go ahead.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 18:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I opened a thread at WP:BLPN. Since we are looking for uninvolved opinions, I would suggest that those who have contributed to this thread except myself and Epeefleche refrain from contributing there, in order to keep the noise level down. Gatoclass (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

speculative BLP issues should not be on main page. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

4 July, fifth Sunday after Trinity

Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten, BWV 93

... that Bach arranged the central duet of his chorale cantata Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten, BWV 93, written for the fifth Sunday after Trinity, as one of his Schübler Chorales?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

— Rlevse • Talk • 22:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

typo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

11 July, sixth Sunday after Trinity

Julia Hamari

... that Bach's solo cantata for alto Vergnügte Ruh, beliebte Seelenlust, BWV 170 for the sixth Sunday after Trinity, was recorded by Maureen Forrester, Andreas Scholl and Julia Hamari?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

— Rlevse • Talk • 21:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)