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| :It is unfortunate that you haven't explained your apparent attempt to manipulate the vote. There was a very recent vote which went against you; you sat back and complained that wikipedia is not a democracy. Now you suddenly propose another vote - and you intend to disqualify other people's votes if they fail criteria that you just invented. If you can "win" the debate with superior arguments, I would welcome it; but instead you're trying to win by changing the rules to suit you. | :It is unfortunate that you haven't explained your apparent attempt to manipulate the vote. There was a very recent vote which went against you; you sat back and complained that wikipedia is not a democracy. Now you suddenly propose another vote - and you intend to disqualify other people's votes if they fail criteria that you just invented. If you can "win" the debate with superior arguments, I would welcome it; but instead you're trying to win by changing the rules to suit you. | ||
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| ::Thanks, that was great. Now your vote is completely useful. Next stage of the agreement will start in few days, after we get all votes from previous users. And Bojan was noticed also, i just talked to someone else in the meantime. TLDR is just one of the numerous problems. This vote is just to have all related users and their opinios regarding only this subject, and no infobox, or anything else. Thanks, this is only way to have proper consensus about this important subject. If you have ANY question, or problem regarding subject, please, talk to me, and i will try to help you as good as i can! All best! --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 14:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
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WP:CONSENSUS
RE this, please explain how you define "consensus". Looking at the talkpage, all I can see is a giant mess involving half a dozen possible approaches, further disrupted by logged out trolling and general misbehaviour of agenda-driven editors. There are a few pov-pushers on the page who make a habit of saying "we have consensus, see above" every five minutes in an attempt to stifle the discussion. There is not in fact such a consensus, and these accounts just try to disrupt any bona fide considerations of viewpoints they dislike. I find it rather difficult to make up my mind about the best course of action in this situation, and the tags you removed were placed in good faith to reflect the ongoing debate on talk. --dab (𒁳) 14:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Hi!
- By "consensus", I was thinking of a strong majority of people commenting on the subject: 109.84.236.47, LONTECH, ZjarriRrethues, Sulmues, BalkanWalker, bobrayner, Hobartimus, Kedadi, 109.84.199.76, 92.74.20.221, IJA, Enric Naval, Mareklug, and Canadian Bobby. (I have tried to limit this list so it only includes those who made comments opposing the split before I removed your split tag. Also, I did not include Brutal Deluxe, as their comment might have reflected historical activity rather than personal opposition).
- Rather than deal with the broad opposition - what Sulmues called overwhelming consensus - you complained repeatedly about "a pile of Albanian patriot IP addresses", socks, trolls, and so on. This is unfortunate. Even if you arbitrarily discount non-logged-in users, most appeared to oppose a split.
- I was reluctant to remove the tag, and only did so after several editors explicitly said that the tag was inappropriate. This, too, is visible on the talkpage.
- Of course, I won't sideline you as a troll or a sock, tell you to piss off, or accuse you of a personal attack simply because you disagreed with me. I'd like to maintain civility. If you have some good points to make about the article, they would be welcome.
- I think it might be best to keep further discussion on the article talkpage instead of on my talkpage, especially since other users there have shown concerns about your behaviour.
- Have fun,
- bobrayner (talk) 02:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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You should explain in few sentences your vote. Idea is that we dont need to ask for your previous words in TLDR talk page. And anyone CAN comment, but only in its own space. --Tadija 13:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Tadija!
- Thanks for your comment.
- Apart from your proposal to remove votes that you don't like, is there any other reason to believe that the result of this vote will be different from previous votes? There was quite a big discussion recently; you commented on it.
- If TLDR is a problem, why did you create yet another poll and insist that people add comments above and beyond their votes? The subject has already been discussed, at length, repeatedly. That is why the talkpage is so long.
- It is unfortunate that you haven't explained your apparent attempt to manipulate the vote. There was a very recent vote which went against you; you sat back and complained that wikipedia is not a democracy. Now you suddenly propose another vote - and you intend to disqualify other people's votes if they fail criteria that you just invented. If you can "win" the debate with superior arguments, I would welcome it; but instead you're trying to win by changing the rules to suit you.
- bobrayner (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, that was great. Now your vote is completely useful. Next stage of the agreement will start in few days, after we get all votes from previous users. And Bojan was noticed also, i just talked to someone else in the meantime. TLDR is just one of the numerous problems. This vote is just to have all related users and their opinios regarding only this subject, and no infobox, or anything else. Thanks, this is only way to have proper consensus about this important subject. If you have ANY question, or problem regarding subject, please, talk to me, and i will try to help you as good as i can! All best! --Tadija 14:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)