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| ::::Oh man, here we go again....I really don't think Christ minds too much if we say He was born in either 1 AD or BC, it's not like this dating system was particularily Biblical anyway or that He gave us a warning that all those who did not know the exact date He was born would not recieve forgiveness, they mostly used the Hebrew calender back then, which was really very different that our modern day system, as I understand it, months and years could be flexible somehow anyway. Do we have to argue about this? ] 22:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC) | ::::Oh man, here we go again....I really don't think Christ minds too much if we say He was born in either 1 AD or BC, it's not like this dating system was particularily Biblical anyway or that He gave us a warning that all those who did not know the exact date He was born would not recieve forgiveness, they mostly used the Hebrew calender back then, which was really very different that our modern day system, as I understand it, months and years could be flexible somehow anyway. Do we have to argue about this? ] 22:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :::::], this '''25 December''' article doesn't acquire just a Christian audience. Just because the dating system was "not particularly biblical" doesn't mean we shouldn't try to post the most accurate information possible. It is a good idea to attempt to come to a conclusion as to whether Exiguus historically meant for Christ to have been born in 1 BC or AD 1. I'm pretty sure it's 1 BC so that's what I'm voting this page display. As for those who argue that using ''anno Domini'' targets only a Christian audience, the ''common Era'' also refers merely to the birth of Jesus yet simply masks that fact, therefore offends even more people, including Christians. ] 23:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC). | :::::], this '''25 December''' article doesn't acquire just a Christian audience. Just because the dating system was "not particularly biblical" doesn't mean we shouldn't try to post the most accurate information possible. It is a good idea to attempt to come to a conclusion as to whether Exiguus historically meant for Christ to have been born in 1 BC or AD 1. I'm pretty sure it's 1 BC so that's what I'm voting this page display. As for those who argue that using ''anno Domini'' targets only a Christian audience, the ''common Era'' also refers merely to the birth of Jesus yet simply masks that fact, therefore offends even more people, including Christians. ] 23:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC). | ||
| :::::I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't use BC because its not in the Bible, im simply saying that the BC/AD system was a result of man responding to the Bible on their own, it wasn't directly commanded that we should use that system. Of course, this doesn't mean I want BCE, I think the whole BCE thing is really a conspiracy, but the point I was trying to make is before we get into a fight between 1 AD and 1 BC, we should remember its not a mind-bogglingly important issue we figure out which one is historial fact. ] 23:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Template:December 25 selected anniversaries view - talk - edit
The year associated with the traditional birth of Christ should be 1 BC, not 1 AD. For purposes of reckoning the calender, Dionysius Exiguus set the date of Jesus' birth on 25 December 753 AUC (ab urbe condita: that is, since the (traditional) founding of Rome), and started the era 8 days later on 1 January 754. The year 754 became 1 AD, and when BC dates began to be used, the year 753 was 1 BC, as there is no year 0. Odd as it may seem when you abbreviate it, the traditional birth of Christ was 25 December 1 BC, not AD! Someone else
Who is Dorothy Worsworth? -- Zoe
- I guess it's a typo for "Dorothy Wordsworth", sister of William, and herself a noted diarist. I'll fix it. --Camembert
Was Tony Martin born in 1912 or 1913? His profile says 1913, but this page says 1912.
Vandalized?
Someone vandalized Jesus.... I reverted it to an older state - 30 September 2005
POV and inaccurate information
There is no evidence that Jesus was actually born on December 25. December 25 is the time around the Winter Solstice, and also was the date of the celebration of the birth of Mithras. This is the origin of the Christmas holiday. The article reads "0 - (actual date should be 6 BC) Jesus, great religious teacher, one of the most influential figures of all time". "Great religious teacher" is POV, and "one of the most influential figures of all time" is POV, unless you add something like "considered to be one of the most influential figures in history" but that "of all time" nonsense is pathetic. There is no "year 0", and it would be better put just as "1" not "0". Revolución 23:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Being that there is no proof that Jesus was born on December 25 (and no serious scholar actually believes he was) I had parenthetically added "traditionally" to the date. Rt66lt, August 10, 2005
300 days from March 1
Why would anyone care how many days are between March 1 and December 25? This seems like a huge piece of non-information to have sitting at the top of the artice. I'm going to go ahead and delete it - if you wish you replace it please provide some rationale to help me understand why. Musser 04:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Trudeaus
I have added the birth of the sons of the Right Honourable Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Sasha and Justin Trudeau, who were both born on 25 December 1973, and 1971 respectivily.
newton
what about Newtonmas
Jesus Christ under the "Birth's"
The article currently only says "Jesus" as the name of the person born on December 25. "Jesus" was a fairly common name in that period. I had edited the name "Jesus" to "Jesus Christ" to be more specific. Moreover, earlier today (26 December 2005) I had edited the year from "1 BCE" to "1 BC". The BC/AD system is more frequently used in the world and on Wikipeida at this time and is the most common dating system used by the followers of Jesus Christ, whose birth is being dated. The "Births" section of this page would be much more correct and better understood by the masses if for the birth of Jesus Christ it said "Jesus Christ - 1 BC" rather than "Jesus - 1 BCE"
- Jesus links directly to the article for the most widely known person with that name, and no one who clicks that link is going to be surprised. "Christ" is not a name, it is a title which expresses a point of view which is not shared by everyone. Leave it at the simple nuetral link to the name, not at a redirect. And before you edit a single additional page, please look up the proper use of the apostrophe. "Birth's" is an abomination. CDThieme 23:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course, the traditional date of Christ's birth is AD 1, not 1 BC! jguk 09:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Christ's birth is traditionally 25 December, 1 BC, His first full year of life being in 1 AD. 24.222.79.90 20:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC).
The R.C. of Saints should come before Roman Festivals
The Roman Caledar of Saints observance of "The Nativity of the Lord" should come before the Roman Rituas "(re)birth of Sol" since there are more persons on Earth at the time that consider themselves Roman Catholic than of the Ancient Roman Mytholicial Religion.
edit wars
no silly edit wars, please. Why don't we compromise and put BC and BCE next to each other or something.--Alhutch 05:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- i'm not going to permit people removing BCE unless we have a discussion about it here or elsewhere first and come to a consensus.--Alhutch 06:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. While we're on the subject, Darwiner111's been blocked 5 days by Knowledge Seeker,
and I myself have blocked Jonathunder for 3 hours - as an admin he should know better than to break 3RR.NSLE (T+C) 恭喜发财 everyone! 06:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)- Block in error, unblocked. NSLE (T+C) 恭喜发财 everyone! 06:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. While we're on the subject, Darwiner111's been blocked 5 days by Knowledge Seeker,
- I've made my third revert, so as the article stands it reads BC. NSLE (T+C) 恭喜发财 everyone! 06:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- So wait, is this article supposed to read BC then next to Jesus's birth since it was there first? Homestarmy 23:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Common Era or Anno Domini?
Reference to Jesus' birth prior to the edits by User:Jonathunder involved either BC or AD without argument, and the introduction of the common era terminology was undiscussed prior to its replacement of BC. I believe there should be a discussion and perhaps a vote here on the discussion page as to whether BC or BCE should be used, and if nobody discusses or votes, I will take the liberty of changing BCE back to the original BC, pointing to this discussion article as reference. 1929Depression 14:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC).
I agree, I tried to ask about this very same thing a couple days ago but nobody answered, if it started out as BC, (And apparently it did) then it should stay BC. Plus, it just plain looks ugly putting BCE next to Christ. Homestarmy 14:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's really quite ridiculous, Homestarmy. You wouldn't believe the amount of discussion at the Jesus talk page about whether AD or CE should be used on that page, there's at least two archives detailing it. They've apparently come to the consensus of using both (i.e. 198 BC/BCE), which is frankly absurd considering Jesus is the reason for the original anno Domini terminology and the "new system" is just a Christian-neutral equivilent to anno Domini, which is hardly applicable to Jesus. However, secularity is on the rise and atheists now occupy 14% of the American population, as opposed to around 8% in 1991 so what do you expect. I still think anno Domini should be used here though and since you agree I will revert the BCE alteration if there is no further discussion in the next 24 hours. 1929Depression 14:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC).
Of course this discussion is entirely ridiculous - especially as the traditional year of Christ's birth is AD 1, not 1 BC. It's all really logical really. Indeed, in England, up to the middle of the eighteenth century, the year began on 25 March because it was on 25 March AD 1 that Archangel Gabriel announced to Mary that she was with child (if you haven't noticed, 25 March is exactly nine months before 25 December). When it was changed so that 1 January was the start of the year, the year dates changed by attributing January, February and the first part of March to the year after the one they were previously attributed to.
Not for the first time this puerile campaign to impose politically correct nonsense has ended up introducing inaccuracies into Misplaced Pages. Not only should it stop, ironically you don't even need to refer to AD 1 if you don't want to, you can just call it 1! jguk 16:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not really all that much in favor of BCE. I don't see what's better about it. You can't call it secular, since it's just a disguised way of still using the Christian system. If we're going to use the Christian system, let's be upfront about it. Also, I think the policy concerning this issue on Misplaced Pages is to just stick with the system that was used in the original writing of the article.--Alhutch 17:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Addendum - The original article uses B.C. and A.D. It also says that Christ was born in 4 B.C. by later calculations, and 1 A.D. by tradition.--Alhutch 17:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
4 BC is an estimate. 8 BC to 4 BC is generally estimated, with some sources having a tighter estimate of 6 BC to 4 BC (Herod the Great died in 4 BC, and that provides the cut-off), jguk 17:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok then, so it should definiently now be BC? Because I can't find in the edit history where anyone has recently tried to switch it back besides NSLE and 1929, and I can jump in if we need it. Homestarmy 18:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- NO! It should definitely be AD 1. The article is currently WRONG!!!!!!!! jguk 19:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think BC/AD would be appropriate in this case, although I have just blocked User:1929Depression for block evasion as a sockpuppet of User:Jordain/User:Darwiner111/User:PatrickA. — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- As noted above, BC would be entirely inappropriate here - it's AD you want:) jguk 20:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, User:Jguk, Exiguus interpreted Christ's birth as being 25 December, 1 BC, thus the year AD 1 being the first full year "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ". Since there are only 6 days remaining after 25 December in the calendar, if Jesus were born on 25 December, AD 1 this would mean his first full year on earth would be AD 2. See the article 1 BC for more information. 24.222.79.90 22:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC).
- Oh man, here we go again....I really don't think Christ minds too much if we say He was born in either 1 AD or BC, it's not like this dating system was particularily Biblical anyway or that He gave us a warning that all those who did not know the exact date He was born would not recieve forgiveness, they mostly used the Hebrew calender back then, which was really very different that our modern day system, as I understand it, months and years could be flexible somehow anyway. Do we have to argue about this? Homestarmy 22:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- User:Homestarmy, this 25 December article doesn't acquire just a Christian audience. Just because the dating system was "not particularly biblical" doesn't mean we shouldn't try to post the most accurate information possible. It is a good idea to attempt to come to a conclusion as to whether Exiguus historically meant for Christ to have been born in 1 BC or AD 1. I'm pretty sure it's 1 BC so that's what I'm voting this page display. As for those who argue that using anno Domini targets only a Christian audience, the common Era also refers merely to the birth of Jesus yet simply masks that fact, therefore offends even more people, including Christians. 24.222.79.90 23:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC).
- As noted above, BC would be entirely inappropriate here - it's AD you want:) jguk 20:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't use BC because its not in the Bible, im simply saying that the BC/AD system was a result of man responding to the Bible on their own, it wasn't directly commanded that we should use that system. Of course, this doesn't mean I want BCE, I think the whole BCE thing is really a conspiracy, but the point I was trying to make is before we get into a fight between 1 AD and 1 BC, we should remember its not a mind-bogglingly important issue we figure out which one is historial fact. Homestarmy 23:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)