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Hi, you are cordially invited to join the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels". We make no length distinction so all narrative prose fiction is of interest. This includes Novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories. Articles about the works themselves and the forms and genres.

As you have shown an interest in Nero Wolfe we thought you might like to take an interest in this well established WikiProject.

We look forward to welcoming you to the project! :: Kevinalewis : /(Desk) 08:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Nero Wolfe articles

I have left some responses betwen your comments on my talk page. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 08:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch, Kevin -- I've replied to your replies on your talk page. Thank you, too, for your invitation to the novels project. I'll consider that. -- WFinch 13:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The NA is to enable us to search for articles that have missing ISBNs (where such are available) and also point out to people that ISBN are truely not applicable. The section in the ArticleTemplate you needs it the "Release details" on which can be used to give the various editions. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The Doorbell Rang

Hi Walter -- I just took a quick look at The Doorbell Rang -- rather, its page. (I can't believe that it's the first time I've seen it, but I believe it is.) I took a peek at the edit history and note that you've done quite a bit of editing to the page. I didn't take the time to see who has contributed what, but it does look as though you've adopted it as a sort of pet sub-project.

I write because I do think that the text needs considerable cleanup. There are errors of diction (for example, MV uses the term "syntax" when she means "diction" -- a distinction that any true believer would make), of fact (as to what the book says, as distinct from what the article now says the book says), genuine POV/OR (the comment about what the FBI would prefer to keep private), and so on. Most of the text that I find problematic appears to have been contributed by ModusVivendi, but, again, I haven't pored over the edit history.

I intend to clean it up, and to focus on the text -- not the matter on adaptations, references, infoboxes and so on. (I do think that the initial quote was well chosen.) I just wanted you to know that I'm going to start on this and to solicit your thoughts -- again, I know you must have spent a lot of time on this page already. TurnerHodges 23:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's good to read. Yes, it's come a long way, but the article needs so much help. I haven't edited much of the Plot summary. In the Introduction, I did add the quote and some content about Fred Cook, but that section is still pretty choppy. I wish I could have kept the book cover for The FBI Nobody Knows, which I had added; but I removed it after discovering that a book cover may only be used on its own article. I may still create an article for that book; I find that people are surprised it was real.

The Epilogue was a pet project, since that was information I found that could be related without editorializing. (If you haven't come across it yet, see Where There's a Will for another story about the FBI and Stout. Incredible, as Mrs. Bruner would say.) But if you see the neutrality of the article being lost anywhere, go for it. Thanks for improving this article, it's another important one. — WFinch 04:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Oh, yes — "the parts it would prefer to keep private," which is in the "Of further interest" section. I named that section, but I kept looking at that wording... just as I've tried to fiddle with editing in the Plot summary before I've given up. Minor edits aren't going to do it. Good. — WFinch 04:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm continuing this here rather than on the Doorbell discussion page because heaven knows how long it would take to get a broader response. I'll probably post there after you and I kick this around a little.

I've done an extensive rewrite of the plot summary but don't wish to put it up before I know what should be done about other matters. My principal issue is that the Doorbell page should be about the book, not about Cook. The information about Cook, and about Stout's problems with the FBI, is important, no doubt about that, and I certainly don't wish to hide it. (In fact, I confess to considerable anti-Hoover bias and I hope it doesn't show.)

I would recommend putting the material that's presently in the section titled Epilogue on a separate page, linked from both the Doorbell page and from Rex Stout's page. The information in Epilogue is only tangentially related to Doorbell.

I have also rewritten the Introduction and the Of Further Interest sections to make them npov. Again, that can go up after it's clear what will happen to the Epilogue. BTW, the formatting of the Epilogue material does not make it clear what is from a contributor, what is from Mitgang, and whether the M. A. Jones material is from the Freedom of Information files directly or as quoted by Mitgang. If it's all Mitgang, then I'm not sure that it fits within the fair use guidelines -- it would be a very long quote. At any rate, that needs cleanup and it should probably be done by the contributor who provided it (MV?).

Your thoughts?

Regards, TurnerHodges 21:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this part of the discussion may as well stay right here. I'm not certain the original contributor(s) are even active here these days, and this essentially concerns the Epilogue (not MV, ME).

I've taken your point about the Epilogue, and about Mr. Mitgang, too, who would certainly be one who would not appreciate too lengthy a quote. I've ruthlessly cut out material more suitable for the Fred Cook article, and information already on the Rex Stout page.

I hope what remains relates specifically enough to Doorbell to stay with the article. As a "tail," I'd like to see the FBI response to the book stay here. I'm looking forward to seeing how you've incorporated the Cook information, and you should just put up your rewrite whenever you're ready.

Thanks for your consideration, by the way. There could be a lot more of it here, I've found. — WFinch 00:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it's up. The changes for neutrality that I made in the Introduction -- which I renamed Prologue, BTW, to parallel the Epilogue -- and in the Of further interest sections are very minor: just some softening, really. I did add a note referring the reader to the Rex Stout page, where the Mitgang material now figures prominently. I do think that it belongs there as part of Stout's real life rather than of Wolfe's imaginary one, in particular because of the echoes from the past in the way that today's administration runs its own Star Chambers, drumhead courts martial, phone taps without warrants and signing statements.

I hope the new plot summary meets with readers' approval, and yours. As I was editing the old one (a project I gave up -- I decided I had to start from scratch) I kept notes on the reasons I was deleting and changing, and I halfway expect to need them later on.

As to "consideration," yes, there's a certain coarseness to the nature of the communications on Misplaced Pages, and what I read as acting out behavior. I find that I miss CompuServe's old moderated forums, where sysops enforced civility and encouraged courtesy. The administrators could do more of that themselves, but as I read their comments, some of them seem to be working out their own personal issues in this relatively anonymous medium. TurnerHodges 15:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd struggled with editing the existing plot summary, too, and got depressed at the prospect. Now, it's — well, it's remarkable. I don't believe there's a single Wolfe book article more important to have done well here. And now I see that poor Clifton Fadiman needs to be taken under somebody's wing; splendid... Well, if that wants to haunt me it'll have to take a number.

Heaven knows where the term Epilogue came from (not the novels project template, I can tell you) but I like there being a Prologue to go with it. It occurred to me that every episode of the old Efrem Zimbalist TV show, "The FBI," would end with an Epilogue, so maybe that burrowed its way out of my subconscious. In any case, that device brackets off the Cook/FBI material nicely and puts the emphasis where it belongs, on the book. I can't believe you'll have to defend your changes. Thank you for the exceptional work you put into this one. — WFinch 20:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Meet Nero Wolfe

The major thing that is lacking (see templates on talk page) is the "film image" - a poster or DVD cover for the infobox. Once that's added, it can easily be upgraded to start. SkierRMH 20:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see your talk page; it's easier for me to keep the discussion together in one place, so I've replied there. — WFinch 21:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I updated the article page, but left a note on the talk page thereof. The "filmimage" is not a screen shot, but the film poster, or DVD or VHS cover scan. SkierRMH 02:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Nero Wolfe novellas

Just letting you know that, following our discussion on my talk page, the "Nero Wolfe novellas" category has met its doom. (Yes! It was me! In the library, with the candlestick!! And I'm not sorry, you hear me?!! ... *ahem*) --Paul A 08:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No tears will be shed. The category title "Nero Wolfe short story collections" matches what's been done for Sherlock Holmes, and that's just as it should be. I also see that Murder Is Corny (detective story) zips over so nicely to Trio for Blunt Instruments — clean as a whistle. Thank you. — WFinch 16:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Piping

Hi. Re piping in disambig pages, we do use pipes for things like italics for proper titles. See that, and the other exceptions, at WP:PIPING. Thanks :) -- Quiddity (talk) 21:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry — I got carried away. I got one "Once" right, anyway, and I'll restrain myself from here on. Thank you. — WFinch (talk) 21:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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I've reset the clock on this investigation to be sure you have a chance to participate. I'm watchlisting your talk page but am also watching the article in case you are able to help clarify this situation. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl 13:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The material in question was not contributed by me. Please review the edit history of the article; it was added November 28, 2007, by a user named Mdtalley, after my edit of November 12. I see the notice on that user's talk page, but there has been no response. I would suggest that the blanked material be removed from the article. — WFinch (talk) 14:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

My mistake; I'm sorry. And since the contributor was advised, there's no need to reset the clock. :) With respect to the quote from Time, which you did contribute (double-checking :)), I'll create an abbreviated version of that to put in the article after the copyvio has been cleaned. --Moonriddengirl 14:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Murdoch Myteries

Thanks for putting in a link in the tempo plate for the show. Do you know how to make a table of contents above the episodes, same as other shows? I've tried to figure out, since show has a third season coming and this would make it easier to go to individual seasons if someone wanted, instead scrolling down the entire page. TH43 (talk) 08:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

You made me think a minute... The best way to handle it, I realized, was to add the "References" section that had been requested (and I added "External links" for good measure). I think once more than three sections exist in an article, a "table of contents" box, complete with links, appears miraculously at the top of the page. And there it is! —WFinch (talk) 16:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see — an article can have as few as two section headings and still have a "contents" box at the top. The problem had been with the formatting of the section headings, which had been bracketed by three equal signs rather than two. So that's the secret, using the larger type with the rule below. —WFinch (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what the second paragraph means, but thanks. Btw, I moved the websites/link from "References" to "External Links". That's where they belong. I also updated the official site for the show, by removing the mention of episodes, I've checked the site, episodes aren't listed there. TH43 (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

collecting Stout

The far less valuable Viking book club edition may be distinguished from the first edition in three ways: ...

Rather than putting this paragraph in every Wolfe book article, I think it would be better style to refer briefly to a single page, either on WP (an article about the Viking book club, or book clubs in general, or book collecting?) or elsewhere (if such a website exists). —Tamfang (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The Mystery Guild editions began with And Be a Villain. Feel free to edit the articles if you think of a better way to help people make the distinction; it's a frequent point of confusion. —WFinch (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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